J. Marion Sims: Pioneer of Medical Science Now Erased From History BY History

[Two Thumbs]

Anything and everything will be cleansed by leftists.

Their hatred is so deep and strong they can't see the good anyone has ever done, all they look at is the bad.

Ask any of them to say some good about America and all you will get is; obama

I know what you mean...The Nazi's did some important health related experiments also...

not even a close comparison.

and the first to scream 'nazi' loses the internet.

 

[toobfreak]

a guy who was basically just fucking around until he found something that worked.

Kind of like you Joe, kind of just fucking around until you can find any rationale you can dream up to take state of the art medical R&D done centuries ago at a primitive time when it was normal and common practice for slaves to be owned, where it was only natural to use them first to try new treatments on, as unfair as it was to them both then and now, THAT'S THE WAY THE WORLD WAS BACK THEN, and you can't change that no matter how much you'd like, not even by moving his statue and hiding it, but the fact was it was normal and common and broke no laws and these women benefited from it because they all needed treated for vaginal problems and they found help and relief by what he learned and developed, and probably welcomed the help, lived and went on to lead healthier, better lives as a result despite the fact that the medicine was crude and barbaric by our standards of today.

 

[Moonglow]

Anything and everything will be cleansed by leftists.

Their hatred is so deep and strong they can't see the good anyone has ever done, all they look at is the bad.

Ask any of them to say some good about America and all you will get is; obama

I know what you mean...The Nazi's did some important health related experiments also...

not even a close comparison.

and the first to scream 'nazi' loses the internet.

Mengele would be proud...

 

[JoeB131]

Ohhh it's the slavery you object to. Well, too bad, there were slaves at that time. You can't impose your anti slavery standards of today on those back then.

Sure we can. We can tear down the statue of every asshole who owned a slave or abused a slave and make sure that every child who reads a history book knows that slavery was bad and people who abused them were evil. We outlaw the flying of the Confederate Flag the way Germany has outlawed the flying of the Nazi flag

That's how we impose anti-slavery standards.

Winners write the history books. It's about time we remember, "Oh, yeah, we won, we get to write the history books!"

 

[JoeB131]

Kind of like you Joe, kind of just fucking around until you can find any rationale you can dream up to take state of the art medical R&D done centuries ago at a primitive time when it was normal and common practice for slaves to be owned, where it was only natural to use them first to try new treatments on, as unfair as it was to them both then and now, THAT'S THE WAY THE WORLD WAS BACK THEN,

Yes, guy, it was like that and it was wrong and it was immoral, that's the point.

Just like it was wrong and immoral for Dr. Mengele to do awful expiraments on Jews because the Nazis took away their rights. The thing is, nobody is putting up a statue of Mengele anywhere, and no one should be putting up a statue of this guy.

The day is coming when we tear down all the statues and ban all the flags. Deal with it.

 

[blastoff]

As a former college amateur gynecologist I'm disgusted by this!

 

[JoeB131]

As a former college amateur gynecologist I'm disgusted by this!

You mean all they let you do is look at the pictures?

 

[toobfreak]

Yes, guy, it was like that and it was wrong and it was immoral, that's the point.

That's the view TODAY. It WASN'T considered wrong or immoral THEN.

Just like it was wrong and immoral for Dr. Mengele to do awful expiraments on Jews

You can't compare legitimate medical experiments trying to help legitimately sick people in the 19th Century to a madman doing vile experiments to HEALTHY people being held prisoner against their will harming them by doing things to them like trapped animals which made them ill or even killed them. Some of Simm's patients might have been slaves (but not all), but they were legitimate patients needing (and I'm sure wanting) treatment. Sorry your sick, twisted, obtuse mind refuses to deal with that distinction. The very fact that you claim an advocate for tearing down ALL statues and flags everywhere demonstrates there's no point in trying to reason with a damaged mentality, and I would recommend you seek out serious mental counseling for sociopathy. You're one f---ked up dude. Go live in some communist country where you belong.

 

[JoeB131]

That's the view TODAY. It WASN'T considered wrong or immoral THEN.

actually, it was considered immoral then... That's why we had a civil war, because it was considered immoral and a lot of people thought it should end.

You can't compare legitimate medical experiments trying to help legitimately sick people in the 19th Century to a madman doing vile experiments to HEALTHY people being held prisoner against their will harming them by doing things to them like trapped animals which made them ill or even killed them.

are you trying to say Slaves weren't being held against their will?

Some of Simm's patients might have been slaves (but not all), but they were legitimate patients needing (and I'm sure wanting) treatment.

The point is, he didn't do these procedures on healthy, free white women until he had done a lot of trial and error butchering slave black women. That was the thing.

One girl he operated on 17 times.

The very fact that you claim an advocate for tearing down ALL statues and flags everywhere demonstrates there's no point in trying to reason with a damaged mentality, and I would recommend you seek out serious mental counseling for sociopathy. You're one f---ked up dude. Go live in some communist country where you belong.

Sorry, man, all the symbols of slavery are coming down. Just like when Communism fell, they took down all the statues of Lenin and Stalin and Marx. It's a good thing.

 

[toobfreak]

That's the view TODAY. It WASN'T considered wrong or immoral THEN.

actually, it was considered immoral then... That's why we had a civil war, because it was considered immoral and a lot of people thought it should end.

You can't compare legitimate medical experiments trying to help legitimately sick people in the 19th Century to a madman doing vile experiments to HEALTHY people being held prisoner against their will harming them by doing things to them like trapped animals which made them ill or even killed them.

are you trying to say Slaves weren't being held against their will?

Some of Simm's patients might have been slaves (but not all), but they were legitimate patients needing (and I'm sure wanting) treatment.

The point is, he didn't do these procedures on healthy, free white women until he had done a lot of trial and error butchering slave black women. That was the thing.

One girl he operated on 17 times.

The very fact that you claim an advocate for tearing down ALL statues and flags everywhere demonstrates there's no point in trying to reason with a damaged mentality, and I would recommend you seek out serious mental counseling for sociopathy. You're one f---ked up dude. Go live in some communist country where you belong.

Sorry, man, all the symbols of slavery are coming down. Just like when Communism fell, they took down all the statues of Lenin and Stalin and Marx. It's a good thing.

The pin-brain just can't let it be. It was considered undesirable by some, desirable, necessary and just by a lot of others. THAT's why we had a Civil War, idiot. And yes, some slaves were held against their will, others were content and happy to live as they did and even had a good life. And why would he do these procedures on HEALTHY (white) people, you racist moron? How could you learn to fix a condition on a person that they didn't have? You are dumber than stupid, you Dolt! And yes, even today, doctors operate on people multiple times for things difficult to correct and for things they aren't sure how to do or need to be done in stages. What an ass. Nothing wrong with taking down symbols of slavery, but this man wasn't one of them just because he operated on slaves trying to learn how to cure people of terrible medical conditions. Slaves were people too and Simms helped, saved and cured a lot of them and maybe someday if you ever grow up mentally, you might live to understand that not everything that happened before 1865 was bad just because it occurred during a time when slavery was still the practiced law of the land. Hiding from history does not change history.

 

[JoeB131]

The pin-brain just can't let it be. It was considered undesirable by some, desirable, necessary and just by a lot of others. THAT's why we had a Civil War, idiot. And yes, some slaves were held against their will, others were content and happy to live as they did and even had a good life.

I think every white person who says stupid shit like this should be condemned to live one year like a civil war era slave, complete with whippings and rapes.

And why would he do these procedures on HEALTHY (white) people, you racist moron?

Guy, you miss the point. If he did these to white women, he'd have been lynched.

Nothing wrong with taking down symbols of slavery, but this man wasn't one of them just because he operated on slaves trying to learn how to cure people of terrible medical conditions. Slaves were people too and Simms helped, saved and cured a lot of them and maybe someday if you ever grow up mentally, you might live to understand that not everything that happened before 1865 was bad just because it occurred during a time when slavery was still the practiced law of the land. Hiding from history does not change history.

Uh, guy, we are specifically talking about violating the human rights of people without their consent here... do try to pay attention. These women were butchered by a quack who'd have been lynched if he tried this shit on White Women.

 

[toobfreak]

I think every white person who says stupid shit like this should be condemned to live one year like a civil war era slave, complete with whippings and rapes.

So blacks, asians, latinos and others are all free to disagree with you about slavery with impunity? What about all the africans over in Africa who SOLD their fellow people into slavery for profit--- ---you're OK with that too because they weren't white.

Guy, you miss the point. If he did these to white women, he'd have been lynched.

So when Simms operated on a white woman to cure her female disorders and cured her too, you think people would have lynched him, Dupe? THEY PUT A STATUE OF HIM ACROSS FROM THE ACADEMY OF MEDICAL SCIENCE TO CELEBRATE HIM. He worked on people of all colors.

we are specifically talking about violating the human rights of people without their consent here...

You don't seem to understand that a slave HAD NO HUMAN RIGHTS and NO RIGHT TO CONSENT. Not until after white people gave them their freedom. Sorry if that offends you, Derp. Slaves were PROPERTY. That is a fact that no one can change.

These women were butchered by a quack who'd have been lynched if he tried this shit on White Women.

That's why he's considered the Father of all Gynecology. He was a medical man who devoted his life to helping save and heal people and you are an idiot blinded by the fact that in his time, some of those people were also slaves whom he saved and benefited from his tireless efforts.

 

[JoeB131]

So when Simms operated on a white woman to cure her female disorders and cured her too, you think people would have lynched him, Dupe? THEY PUT A STATUE OF HIM ACROSS FROM THE ACADEMY OF MEDICAL SCIENCE TO CELEBRATE HIM. He worked on people of all colors.

Um, dummy, he didn't butcher white ladies who-has trying to figure out what he was doing, that was the point.

You don't seem to understand that a slave HAD NO HUMAN RIGHTS and NO RIGHT TO CONSENT. Not until after white people gave them their freedom. Sorry if that offends you, Derp. Slaves were PROPERTY. That is a fact that no one can change.

Yup, and people who were responsible for this ATROCITY, including Sims, should have their names removed from any place of honor. That's the whole point here.

Sims commited a crime against humanity. That's why his statues need to come down, and his mention in the history books needs to add "Immorally experimented on other human beings in violation of their human rights."

 

[JoeB131]

He didn't butcher anyone. That's the point. He was a healer trying to heal where no one had ever healed before, twerp.

No, when you cut into someone not really knowing what you are doing, without anesthetic, when they have no say in the matter, that's really butchering someone.

 

[Erinwltr]

Anything and everything will be cleansed by leftists.

Their hatred is so deep and strong they can't see the good anyone has ever done, all they look at is the bad.

Ask any of them to say some good about America and all you will get is; obama

You do realize that experimenting on people without their permission is bad, right?

The fact that you had to point that out...

 

[toobfreak]

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No, when you cut into someone not really knowing what you are doing, [But you are just assuming that] without anesthetic, [we already established it wasn't available or accepted for use] when they have no say in the matter, [But you are just assuming that] that's really butchering someone. [Except that he healed them]

Again, you don't know shit what you're talking about and are simply attacking the guy because he was white and because slave people were common and used at the time.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Ohhh it's the slavery you object to. Well, too bad, there were slaves at that time. You can't impose your anti slavery standards of today on those back then.

Sure we can. We can tear down the statue of every asshole who owned a slave or abused a slave and make sure that every child who reads a history book knows that slavery was bad and people who abused them were evil. We outlaw the flying of the Confederate Flag the way Germany has outlawed the flying of the Nazi flag

That's how we impose anti-slavery standards.

Winners write the history books. It's about time we remember, "Oh, yeah, we won, we get to write the history books!"

And you will STILL not overcome the truth. Germany has been trying to outlaw nazis for decades and they only got more nazis.

This is what the Taliban does. They blow up statues, remove and rewrite history and find out that someone, somewhere it the world is going to tell the truth.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Liberals are convinced that modern medical procedures and surgeries just appeared, on their own, out of the blue in a flash of light. Oh, I get it. Modern medicine was stolen from the african natives! Yeah, that must be it.

To quote Star Trek "That's barbaric, Jim".

 

[JoeB131]

No, when you cut into someone not really knowing what you are doing, [But you are just assuming that] without anesthetic, [we already established it wasn't available or accepted for use] when they have no say in the matter, [But you are just assuming that] that's really butchering someone. [Except that he healed them]

He cut into one lady 17 times for what would be an outpatient procedure today. Um, yeah, he was butchering her.

Again, you don't know shit what you're talking about and are simply attacking the guy because he was white and because slave people were common and used at the time.

No, i'm attacking him because he violated the human rights of people without their consent.

And you will STILL not overcome the truth. Germany has been trying to outlaw nazis for decades and they only got more nazis.

Actually, Germany throws their Nazis in Jail. We should follow their lead.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The pin-brain just can't let it be. It was considered undesirable by some, desirable, necessary and just by a lot of others. THAT's why we had a Civil War, idiot. And yes, some slaves were held against their will, others were content and happy to live as they did and even had a good life.

I think every white person who says stupid shit like this should be condemned to live one year like a civil war era slave, complete with whippings and rapes.

And why would he do these procedures on HEALTHY (white) people, you racist moron?

Guy, you miss the point. If he did these to white women, he'd have been lynched.

Nothing wrong with taking down symbols of slavery, but this man wasn't one of them just because he operated on slaves trying to learn how to cure people of terrible medical conditions. Slaves were people too and Simms helped, saved and cured a lot of them and maybe someday if you ever grow up mentally, you might live to understand that not everything that happened before 1865 was bad just because it occurred during a time when slavery was still the practiced law of the land. Hiding from history does not change history.

Uh, guy, we are specifically talking about violating the human rights of people without their consent here... do try to pay attention. These women were butchered by a quack who'd have been lynched if he tried this shit on White Women.

As the father of gynocological surgery, he DID perform these operations on white women.