Jeff Sessions has created a religious liberty task force to “protect & promote religious liberty”

[MindWars]

And watch hidden in there will be some BS HE SELLS to the CLUELESS CHristians who aren't awake kinda like dumb ass leftist bs..

 

[Lysistrata]

This task was set up to think of ways that the idiotic phony-Christian right can get away with insulting and taking away the rights of LGBT folks and women, Christian or not. It's not meant to protect Jews, Muslims, Wiccans, Sikhs, or anyone else. Betcha only the phony-Christian right-wingers will be protected.

 

[bodecea]

fact. each one claimed religious grounds for doing their secular job. davis was a government employee in a government building, on government grounds, refusing to do her government job...

the 2 pharmacists refused to pass those scripts to other employees to fill. now do your own research & find the truth little ducky.

No link just your words. Here’s a clue for the clueless: one person acting according to his beliefs does not a theocracy make.

lol... but it's more than one person... a movement always starts out small...it is religious organizations & those companies that deem themselves as such are jumping in the swamp. a few strokes of the keyboard would prove that lazy duck.

No, it’s a minority of people and doesn’t include anyone who has actual power.

sure. tell that to the females who want birth control but cannot get it even though they should thru their work related health ins.

or the woman who had to go to another pharmacy to get a 'script to expel the already dead 'baby' in her uterus.

or the person who needed a 'script for hormones & had to go somewhere else for it.

or the people who were legally & constitutionally able to get a marriage license & were denied.

the power shifted from the establishment clause to a state sanctioned religious doctrine.

all chasms start with a crack.

No one has a right to birth control

No one has a right to free or subsidized abortion

No one has a right to prescription drugs

Gay marriage is legal

Still waiting for proof that religion is being forced on anyone.

No one has the right to products to help with Erectile Dysfunction either.

 

[MarcATL]

Oh ffs, think cake bakers.

Repeating something doesn't make it so, nor does it explain it.

Typically, if one cannot and/or refuses to explain a position they are either a. lying, or 2. have no evidence to support their argument.

So what's it gonna be?

 

[martybegan]

No link just your words. Here’s a clue for the clueless: one person acting according to his beliefs does not a theocracy make.

lol... but it's more than one person... a movement always starts out small...it is religious organizations & those companies that deem themselves as such are jumping in the swamp. a few strokes of the keyboard would prove that lazy duck.

No, it’s a minority of people and doesn’t include anyone who has actual power.

sure. tell that to the females who want birth control but cannot get it even though they should thru their work related health ins.

or the woman who had to go to another pharmacy to get a 'script to expel the already dead 'baby' in her uterus.

or the person who needed a 'script for hormones & had to go somewhere else for it.

or the people who were legally & constitutionally able to get a marriage license & were denied.

the power shifted from the establishment clause to a state sanctioned religious doctrine.

all chasms start with a crack.

No one has a right to birth control

No one has a right to free or subsidized abortion

No one has a right to prescription drugs

Gay marriage is legal

Still waiting for proof that religion is being forced on anyone.

Everyone has a right to control his or her own fertility.

Every woman has a right to an abortion.

How is religious liberty infringed upon currently?

Anyone

High School Coaches fired for taking a knee in prayer on the field. Teachers wearing crosses at school.

Muslim taxi drivers being forced to transport the blind with their guide dogs.
Muslims being denied permits to build mosques.

Somehow I suspect that the religious liberty task force will not be out there protecting the Muslims 'religious freedom'.......but evangelicals can take heart that they will have their own special police force protecting them.

Actually the whole Muslim taxi drivers and dogs thing gives a good example of the concept of PA vs. contracted service.

If a taxi pulls up to a taxi stand, they are assuming any person can enter their car, i.e a public space. Then they can be told to "take the damn dog" or "you can't deny the guy with the bottle of scotch".

However the same taxi service that operates on an "will call basis", that properly denotes the restrictions it places on its services, i.e, no dogs, we don't transport alcohol, that would be OK to me.

 

[MarcATL]

A liberal Social Democrat with a Circuit Court Judge is lurking nearby.

I'm sure he's under your bed.

 

[PredFan]

No one has a right to an abortion, or birth control pills.

Yes, they do. No one has the right to interfere with these decisions, which are personal. Certainly, no level of government has the right to force some religious dogma on the public. Yeah, there are some religions that object, but that's just tough.

No, they do not. Prove that they do. Where is it written that they have a right to abort their baby?

 

[PredFan]

No link just your words. Here’s a clue for the clueless: one person acting according to his beliefs does not a theocracy make.

lol... but it's more than one person... a movement always starts out small...it is religious organizations & those companies that deem themselves as such are jumping in the swamp. a few strokes of the keyboard would prove that lazy duck.

No, it’s a minority of people and doesn’t include anyone who has actual power.

sure. tell that to the females who want birth control but cannot get it even though they should thru their work related health ins.

or the woman who had to go to another pharmacy to get a 'script to expel the already dead 'baby' in her uterus.

or the person who needed a 'script for hormones & had to go somewhere else for it.

or the people who were legally & constitutionally able to get a marriage license & were denied.

the power shifted from the establishment clause to a state sanctioned religious doctrine.

all chasms start with a crack.

No one has a right to birth control

No one has a right to free or subsidized abortion

No one has a right to prescription drugs

Gay marriage is legal

Still waiting for proof that religion is being forced on anyone.

No one has the right to products to help with Erectile Dysfunction either.

You are correct. In other news, Fire is hot, water is wet, birds fly, pigs don’t.

 

[PredFan]

Oh ffs, think cake bakers.

Repeating something doesn't make it so, nor does it explain it.

Typically, if one cannot and/or refuses to explain a position they are either a. lying, or 2. have no evidence to support their argument.

So what's it gonna be?

I explained it twice now. You just don’t want to accept the truth. Stay stupid, I don’t care.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No one has a right to an abortion, or birth control pills.

Yes, they do. No one has the right to interfere with these decisions, which are personal. Certainly, no level of government has the right to force some religious dogma on the public. Yeah, there are some religions that object, but that's just tough.

No, they do not. Prove that they do. Where is it written that they have a right to abort their baby?

""matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment."

Planned Parenthood v. Casey, SCOTUS

The SCOTUS has specifically -- twice -- delineated it as a protected right. Do you know what the definition of constitutional is?

In practice, it's whatever the SCOTUS says it is.

 

[PredFan]

The 14 th Amendment ONLY prevents the government from stopping you. That is not the same as a right.

I know all about the Constitution, YOU need an education.

Try again.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The 14 th Amendment ONLY prevents the government from stopping you. That is not the same as a right.

A liberty protected by a constitutional amendment is, indeed, a right.

I am not going to to rehash a 40 year old debate that you already lost. Maybe someone else will,but not me.

 

[PredFan]

The 14 th Amendment ONLY prevents the government from stopping you. That is not the same as a right.

A liberty protected by a constitutional amendment is, indeed, a right.

I am not going to to rehash a 40 year old debate that you already lost. Maybe someone else will,but not me.

Run away loser, you are unable to prove it’s a right. Thanks for playing.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Of course, both the right to choose to have an abortion and the right to provide one have both been specifically delineated by the supreme Court. What is this...60s day on the us message board? Hello, Peabody, set the wayback machine to return to 2018....

 

[MarcATL]

No one has a right to birth control

No one has a right to free or subsidized abortion

No one has a right to prescription drugs

Gay marriage is legal

Still waiting for proof that religion is being forced on anyone.

You saying "think cake baker" is absolutely no proof that someone's religious liberty has been infringed upon.

Which makes your above statements bogus, to put it mildly.

 

[MarcATL]

The only separation of church and state comes in the form of the first amendment, that states congress shall make no law concerning the establishment of religion or the free exercise thereof. So forcing someone, say a baker or a sisterhood of nuns, to do something they have religious objections too would be in violation of the first amendment. Government does not have the right to force someone’s time, money, efforts, or labor towards something they have religious objections too (obviously as long as they are not physically harming or stealing from someone in the process).

The bolded is what conservatives like yourself seem to always forget. When a school (in the form of a teacher, or the establishment itself is setting up prayer) it is, in fact, establishing a religion. Everyone present has to be subject to hearing that prayer, whether or not they believe in it. Especially if/when students or attendees aren't allowed to leave during that prayer.

Want to test whether or not my statements are true, just have a Muslim prayer be done instead, and just that, and see the feedback from your peers, if not from you yourself.

When it comes to the baking thing, that's a very sticky subject, because at least two rights are clashing which each other, 1. the right of the customer to have services rendered to them that's being offered to the general public, and 2. the right of the business owner to practice their personal chosen religious beliefs as they fit.

To deny this fact, is to be dishonest to the core.

There are also a few cases of townships or municipalities giving religious folks the run-around, or denying them access to their land. Usually in the form of going against Orthodox Jews, who do not drive on the sabbath, so they worship out of the rabbis house and they all live within walking distance. They’ll be denied permits for expansion, or be told they don’t have the “parking space” necessary for their establishment, which is silly because they do not drive there.

Jews have already proven they don't get the Sabbath, but that's neither here nor there.

So there is no such thing as “freedom from religion” other than government forcing you to participate in some sort of religious ceremony. So can a teacher or whatever religion pray in front of their class, yes, can they order the class to pray with them, no. Can a lawmaker cite the Bible or whatever as rationale for a yes or no vote on whatever law, yes, as long as the law doesn’t prevent or force someone to behave in a way against their own religious (or non-religious) beliefs.

You're wrong. There is freedom from religion. The USA is a secular nation, setup by mostly Christians. Not a Christian nation. BIG DIFFERENCE. The Constitution and it's Amendments states that to be the case, which you yourself quoted above.

Remember the supreme courts decision (I think it was 7-2) over the Colorado baker and the gay wedding cake never touched on whether or not they had to back the cake (or be subject to 135,000$ fine). The decision stated that there was clear, and malicious bias against the bakers over their religion from the state prosecution. That is another example of violation against religious freedom from the state.

I haven’t heard many cases of religious freedom violations coming from the right, outside of DOMA, at least not any I can think of. Do you mind educating me?

Don't care about this part.

 

[MarcATL]

I explained it twice now. You just don’t want to accept the truth. Stay stupid, I don’t care.

Repeating is not an explanation stupid.

 

[Syriusly]

lol... but it's more than one person... a movement always starts out small...it is religious organizations & those companies that deem themselves as such are jumping in the swamp. a few strokes of the keyboard would prove that lazy duck.

No, it’s a minority of people and doesn’t include anyone who has actual power.

sure. tell that to the females who want birth control but cannot get it even though they should thru their work related health ins.

or the woman who had to go to another pharmacy to get a 'script to expel the already dead 'baby' in her uterus.

or the person who needed a 'script for hormones & had to go somewhere else for it.

or the people who were legally & constitutionally able to get a marriage license & were denied.

the power shifted from the establishment clause to a state sanctioned religious doctrine.

all chasms start with a crack.

No one has a right to birth control

No one has a right to free or subsidized abortion

No one has a right to prescription drugs

Gay marriage is legal

Still waiting for proof that religion is being forced on anyone.

Everyone has a right to control his or her own fertility.

Every woman has a right to an abortion.

How is religious liberty infringed upon currently?

Anyone

High School Coaches fired for taking a knee in prayer on the field. Teachers wearing crosses at school.

Muslim taxi drivers being forced to transport the blind with their guide dogs.
Muslims being denied permits to build mosques.

Somehow I suspect that the religious liberty task force will not be out there protecting the Muslims 'religious freedom'.......but evangelicals can take heart that they will have their own special police force protecting them.

No, they have the responsibility to control their own fertility. No one has a right to an abortion, or birth control pills. I dare you to try to show where it is written that they do..

Everyone has a right to control their own fertiliity- and that includes the right to use contraception and the right to an abortion
Roe v. Wade.
Griswold v. Connecticut

 

[Syriusly]

lol... but it's more than one person... a movement always starts out small...it is religious organizations & those companies that deem themselves as such are jumping in the swamp. a few strokes of the keyboard would prove that lazy duck.

No, it’s a minority of people and doesn’t include anyone who has actual power.

sure. tell that to the females who want birth control but cannot get it even though they should thru their work related health ins.

or the woman who had to go to another pharmacy to get a 'script to expel the already dead 'baby' in her uterus.

or the person who needed a 'script for hormones & had to go somewhere else for it.

or the people who were legally & constitutionally able to get a marriage license & were denied.

the power shifted from the establishment clause to a state sanctioned religious doctrine.

all chasms start with a crack.

No one has a right to birth control

No one has a right to free or subsidized abortion

No one has a right to prescription drugs

Gay marriage is legal

Still waiting for proof that religion is being forced on anyone.

Everyone has a right to control his or her own fertility.

Every woman has a right to an abortion.

How is religious liberty infringed upon currently?

Anyone

High School Coaches fired for taking a knee in prayer on the field. Teachers wearing crosses at school.

Muslim taxi drivers being forced to transport the blind with their guide dogs.
Muslims being denied permits to build mosques.

Somehow I suspect that the religious liberty task force will not be out there protecting the Muslims 'religious freedom'.......but evangelicals can take heart that they will have their own special police force protecting them.

Actually the whole Muslim taxi drivers and dogs thing gives a good example of the concept of PA vs. contracted service.

If a taxi pulls up to a taxi stand, they are assuming any person can enter their car, i.e a public space. Then they can be told to "take the damn dog" or "you can't deny the guy with the bottle of scotch".

However the same taxi service that operates on an "will call basis", that properly denotes the restrictions it places on its services, i.e, no dogs, we don't transport alcohol, that would be OK to me.

It might be okay with you- but it would be in violation of the law.

Meanwhile- I am predicting that this new Super Friends group to defend religious liberty is not going to be running to defend the rights of Muslim taxi drivers to refuse to transport guide dogs for the blind, or to defend the rights of Muslims to build Mosques in America.

 

[martybegan]

No, it’s a minority of people and doesn’t include anyone who has actual power.

sure. tell that to the females who want birth control but cannot get it even though they should thru their work related health ins.

or the woman who had to go to another pharmacy to get a 'script to expel the already dead 'baby' in her uterus.

or the person who needed a 'script for hormones & had to go somewhere else for it.

or the people who were legally & constitutionally able to get a marriage license & were denied.

the power shifted from the establishment clause to a state sanctioned religious doctrine.

all chasms start with a crack.

No one has a right to birth control

No one has a right to free or subsidized abortion

No one has a right to prescription drugs

Gay marriage is legal

Still waiting for proof that religion is being forced on anyone.

Everyone has a right to control his or her own fertility.

Every woman has a right to an abortion.

How is religious liberty infringed upon currently?

Anyone

High School Coaches fired for taking a knee in prayer on the field. Teachers wearing crosses at school.

Muslim taxi drivers being forced to transport the blind with their guide dogs.
Muslims being denied permits to build mosques.

Somehow I suspect that the religious liberty task force will not be out there protecting the Muslims 'religious freedom'.......but evangelicals can take heart that they will have their own special police force protecting them.

Actually the whole Muslim taxi drivers and dogs thing gives a good example of the concept of PA vs. contracted service.

If a taxi pulls up to a taxi stand, they are assuming any person can enter their car, i.e a public space. Then they can be told to "take the damn dog" or "you can't deny the guy with the bottle of scotch".

However the same taxi service that operates on an "will call basis", that properly denotes the restrictions it places on its services, i.e, no dogs, we don't transport alcohol, that would be OK to me.

It might be okay with you- but it would be in violation of the law.

Meanwhile- I am predicting that this new Super Friends group to defend religious liberty is not going to be running to defend the rights of Muslim taxi drivers to refuse to transport guide dogs for the blind, or to defend the rights of Muslims to build Mosques in America.

Arguing "the law is the law" isn't arguing the why of the law or how it is applied, which is what should actually be discussed.