Jesus the Socialist

[onefour1]

Socialism is a man made political/economic order which is false. Not exactly what Christ would have instituted.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”
Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Acts 4:32-35
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Deuteronomy 15:10-11
You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Psalm 113:7
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
Matthew 25:45
Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

Do you really think the leaders of a socialist state would be like Jesus? Are the leaders of a socialist state on the same economic and social level as the lowest person in their society? Why aren't they?

You are confusing your politics with your religion. Your religion is suffering for it.

What do you know of my politics or my religion?

 

[BULLDOG]

Socialism is a man made political/economic order which is false. Not exactly what Christ would have instituted.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”
Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Acts 4:32-35
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Deuteronomy 15:10-11
You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Psalm 113:7
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
Matthew 25:45
Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

Do you really think the leaders of a socialist state would be like Jesus? Are the leaders of a socialist state on the same economic and social level as the lowest person in their society? Why aren't they?

You are confusing your politics with your religion. Your religion is suffering for it.

What do you know of my politics or my religion?

If you don't realize how you have been quite clear on both, then you need to pay more attention to your own words.

 

[onefour1]

My religion is suffering because I don't believe in the socialist governments this world has to offer? Since you know so much about my religion and political views, tell me how my religion is suffering due to my political views.

 

[Andylusion]

Socialism is a man made political/economic order which is false. Not exactly what Christ would have instituted.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”
Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Acts 4:32-35
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Deuteronomy 15:10-11
You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Psalm 113:7
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
Matthew 25:45
Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

Nothing you posted, supports Socialism.

Socialism is enforcement of a government authority. Everything posted does not imply enforcement from government, but rather a choice of the individual. And all Christian support the voluntary alms to the poor.

Take for example, Matthew 19:21. The rich young rule turned away. We don't know what the young ruler did, but what we know didn't happen, is that Jesus did not run after the man, grab him, and confiscated his property by force, and give it to the poor.

You also mention Acts 4, and the early church. Tell me, where in Acts 4, did it give that as a command? No where. It's not there. Acts for is simply related what happened, not that everyone must do this.

Even more, did you bother to read what happened after Acts 4? The story of Ananias and Sapphira, is where a different person sold a bit of property, and gave the entire amount to the church. This individual got accolades and honor for this.

Ananias and Sapphira wanted to be honored too, but they didn't want to give up all the money from a bit of property. So they sold the property, and gave a portion to the church, but said it was the entire amount. They lied. What did the apostle Peter say about this?

What he did not say, was "you are commanded to give all the money". He didn't say that. What did he say?

Acts 5:3
“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.”

What did he say? It was YOUR land to begin with. It was YOUR money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

Peter affirms capitalism. It was his private property to start with. It was his money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

If the story of the early church was about socialism, and being forced to share everything in common, why didn't he say that? Why did he affirm private ownership? Because it's not about socialism. You are wrong.

 

[BULLDOG]

Socialism is a man made political/economic order which is false. Not exactly what Christ would have instituted.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”
Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Acts 4:32-35
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Deuteronomy 15:10-11
You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Psalm 113:7
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
Matthew 25:45
Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

Nothing you posted, supports Socialism.

Socialism is enforcement of a government authority. Everything posted does not imply enforcement from government, but rather a choice of the individual. And all Christian support the voluntary alms to the poor.

Take for example, Matthew 19:21. The rich young rule turned away. We don't know what the young ruler did, but what we know didn't happen, is that Jesus did not run after the man, grab him, and confiscated his property by force, and give it to the poor.

You also mention Acts 4, and the early church. Tell me, where in Acts 4, did it give that as a command? No where. It's not there. Acts for is simply related what happened, not that everyone must do this.

Even more, did you bother to read what happened after Acts 4? The story of Ananias and Sapphira, is where a different person sold a bit of property, and gave the entire amount to the church. This individual got accolades and honor for this.

Ananias and Sapphira wanted to be honored too, but they didn't want to give up all the money from a bit of property. So they sold the property, and gave a portion to the church, but said it was the entire amount. They lied. What did the apostle Peter say about this?

What he did not say, was "you are commanded to give all the money". He didn't say that. What did he say?

Acts 5:3
“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.”

What did he say? It was YOUR land to begin with. It was YOUR money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

Peter affirms capitalism. It was his private property to start with. It was his money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

If the story of the early church was about socialism, and being forced to share everything in common, why didn't he say that? Why did he affirm private ownership? Because it's not about socialism. You are wrong.

Oh my. You just tried to claim a rebuke for a lie was somehow affirming capitalism. There is no limit to contortions that fake Christians will go through in an attempt to use religion to justify their greed.

 

[Andylusion]

Socialism is a man made political/economic order which is false. Not exactly what Christ would have instituted.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”
Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Acts 4:32-35
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Deuteronomy 15:10-11
You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Psalm 113:7
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
Matthew 25:45
Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

Nothing you posted, supports Socialism.

Socialism is enforcement of a government authority. Everything posted does not imply enforcement from government, but rather a choice of the individual. And all Christian support the voluntary alms to the poor.

Take for example, Matthew 19:21. The rich young rule turned away. We don't know what the young ruler did, but what we know didn't happen, is that Jesus did not run after the man, grab him, and confiscated his property by force, and give it to the poor.

You also mention Acts 4, and the early church. Tell me, where in Acts 4, did it give that as a command? No where. It's not there. Acts for is simply related what happened, not that everyone must do this.

Even more, did you bother to read what happened after Acts 4? The story of Ananias and Sapphira, is where a different person sold a bit of property, and gave the entire amount to the church. This individual got accolades and honor for this.

Ananias and Sapphira wanted to be honored too, but they didn't want to give up all the money from a bit of property. So they sold the property, and gave a portion to the church, but said it was the entire amount. They lied. What did the apostle Peter say about this?

What he did not say, was "you are commanded to give all the money". He didn't say that. What did he say?

Acts 5:3
“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.”

What did he say? It was YOUR land to begin with. It was YOUR money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

Peter affirms capitalism. It was his private property to start with. It was his money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

If the story of the early church was about socialism, and being forced to share everything in common, why didn't he say that? Why did he affirm private ownership? Because it's not about socialism. You are wrong.

Oh my. You just tried to claim a rebuke for a lie was somehow affirming capitalism. There is no limit to contortions that fake Christians will go through in an attempt to use religion to justify their greed.

It was. That's what he said. Can you not read? "While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own?" Own. He owned it. That's capitalism! Private ownership of the means of production or distribution of wealth.

He OWNed that land. Land was the primary means of production in that age.

I'm not contorting anything. I'm reading it.

 

[BULLDOG]

Socialism is a man made political/economic order which is false. Not exactly what Christ would have instituted.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”
Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Acts 4:32-35
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Deuteronomy 15:10-11
You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Psalm 113:7
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
Matthew 25:45
Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

Nothing you posted, supports Socialism.

Socialism is enforcement of a government authority. Everything posted does not imply enforcement from government, but rather a choice of the individual. And all Christian support the voluntary alms to the poor.

Take for example, Matthew 19:21. The rich young rule turned away. We don't know what the young ruler did, but what we know didn't happen, is that Jesus did not run after the man, grab him, and confiscated his property by force, and give it to the poor.

You also mention Acts 4, and the early church. Tell me, where in Acts 4, did it give that as a command? No where. It's not there. Acts for is simply related what happened, not that everyone must do this.

Even more, did you bother to read what happened after Acts 4? The story of Ananias and Sapphira, is where a different person sold a bit of property, and gave the entire amount to the church. This individual got accolades and honor for this.

Ananias and Sapphira wanted to be honored too, but they didn't want to give up all the money from a bit of property. So they sold the property, and gave a portion to the church, but said it was the entire amount. They lied. What did the apostle Peter say about this?

What he did not say, was "you are commanded to give all the money". He didn't say that. What did he say?

Acts 5:3
“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.”

What did he say? It was YOUR land to begin with. It was YOUR money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

Peter affirms capitalism. It was his private property to start with. It was his money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

If the story of the early church was about socialism, and being forced to share everything in common, why didn't he say that? Why did he affirm private ownership? Because it's not about socialism. You are wrong.

Oh my. You just tried to claim a rebuke for a lie was somehow affirming capitalism. There is no limit to contortions that fake Christians will go through in an attempt to use religion to justify their greed.

It was. That's what he said. Can you not read? "While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own?" Own. He owned it. That's capitalism! Private ownership of the means of production or distribution of wealth.

He OWNed that land. Land was the primary means of production in that age.

I'm not contorting anything. I'm reading it.

You're stretching there sweet lips. That story has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

 

[Andylusion]

Socialism is a man made political/economic order which is false. Not exactly what Christ would have instituted.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”
Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Acts 4:32-35
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Deuteronomy 15:10-11
You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Psalm 113:7
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
Matthew 25:45
Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

Nothing you posted, supports Socialism.

Socialism is enforcement of a government authority. Everything posted does not imply enforcement from government, but rather a choice of the individual. And all Christian support the voluntary alms to the poor.

Take for example, Matthew 19:21. The rich young rule turned away. We don't know what the young ruler did, but what we know didn't happen, is that Jesus did not run after the man, grab him, and confiscated his property by force, and give it to the poor.

You also mention Acts 4, and the early church. Tell me, where in Acts 4, did it give that as a command? No where. It's not there. Acts for is simply related what happened, not that everyone must do this.

Even more, did you bother to read what happened after Acts 4? The story of Ananias and Sapphira, is where a different person sold a bit of property, and gave the entire amount to the church. This individual got accolades and honor for this.

Ananias and Sapphira wanted to be honored too, but they didn't want to give up all the money from a bit of property. So they sold the property, and gave a portion to the church, but said it was the entire amount. They lied. What did the apostle Peter say about this?

What he did not say, was "you are commanded to give all the money". He didn't say that. What did he say?

Acts 5:3
“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.”

What did he say? It was YOUR land to begin with. It was YOUR money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

Peter affirms capitalism. It was his private property to start with. It was his money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

If the story of the early church was about socialism, and being forced to share everything in common, why didn't he say that? Why did he affirm private ownership? Because it's not about socialism. You are wrong.

Oh my. You just tried to claim a rebuke for a lie was somehow affirming capitalism. There is no limit to contortions that fake Christians will go through in an attempt to use religion to justify their greed.

It was. That's what he said. Can you not read? "While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own?" Own. He owned it. That's capitalism! Private ownership of the means of production or distribution of wealth.

He OWNed that land. Land was the primary means of production in that age.

I'm not contorting anything. I'm reading it.

You're stretching there sweet lips. That story has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

Funny how you cite a dozen verses and claim it has to do with socialism, but I point out that they affirm capitalism, the private ownership of property.... and suddenly you claim it doesn't have to do with either one.

Since it doesn't support your view, it must not support any view?

Well, you have the right to be wrong. You may continued to be as long as you like.

 

[BULLDOG]

2 Corinthians 8:13-15
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”
Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Acts 4:32-35
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Deuteronomy 15:10-11
You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Psalm 113:7
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
Matthew 25:45
Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

Nothing you posted, supports Socialism.

Socialism is enforcement of a government authority. Everything posted does not imply enforcement from government, but rather a choice of the individual. And all Christian support the voluntary alms to the poor.

Take for example, Matthew 19:21. The rich young rule turned away. We don't know what the young ruler did, but what we know didn't happen, is that Jesus did not run after the man, grab him, and confiscated his property by force, and give it to the poor.

You also mention Acts 4, and the early church. Tell me, where in Acts 4, did it give that as a command? No where. It's not there. Acts for is simply related what happened, not that everyone must do this.

Even more, did you bother to read what happened after Acts 4? The story of Ananias and Sapphira, is where a different person sold a bit of property, and gave the entire amount to the church. This individual got accolades and honor for this.

Ananias and Sapphira wanted to be honored too, but they didn't want to give up all the money from a bit of property. So they sold the property, and gave a portion to the church, but said it was the entire amount. They lied. What did the apostle Peter say about this?

What he did not say, was "you are commanded to give all the money". He didn't say that. What did he say?

Acts 5:3
“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.”

What did he say? It was YOUR land to begin with. It was YOUR money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

Peter affirms capitalism. It was his private property to start with. It was his money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

If the story of the early church was about socialism, and being forced to share everything in common, why didn't he say that? Why did he affirm private ownership? Because it's not about socialism. You are wrong.

Oh my. You just tried to claim a rebuke for a lie was somehow affirming capitalism. There is no limit to contortions that fake Christians will go through in an attempt to use religion to justify their greed.

It was. That's what he said. Can you not read? "While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own?" Own. He owned it. That's capitalism! Private ownership of the means of production or distribution of wealth.

He OWNed that land. Land was the primary means of production in that age.

I'm not contorting anything. I'm reading it.

You're stretching there sweet lips. That story has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

Funny how you cite a dozen verses and claim it has to do with socialism, but I point out that they affirm capitalism, the private ownership of property.... and suddenly you claim it doesn't have to do with either one.

Since it doesn't support your view, it must not support any view?

Well, you have the right to be wrong. You may continued to be as long as you like.

I didn't quote Acts 5:3.

 

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Nothing you posted, supports Socialism.

Socialism is enforcement of a government authority. Everything posted does not imply enforcement from government, but rather a choice of the individual. And all Christian support the voluntary alms to the poor.

Take for example, Matthew 19:21. The rich young rule turned away. We don't know what the young ruler did, but what we know didn't happen, is that Jesus did not run after the man, grab him, and confiscated his property by force, and give it to the poor.

You also mention Acts 4, and the early church. Tell me, where in Acts 4, did it give that as a command? No where. It's not there. Acts for is simply related what happened, not that everyone must do this.

Even more, did you bother to read what happened after Acts 4? The story of Ananias and Sapphira, is where a different person sold a bit of property, and gave the entire amount to the church. This individual got accolades and honor for this.

Ananias and Sapphira wanted to be honored too, but they didn't want to give up all the money from a bit of property. So they sold the property, and gave a portion to the church, but said it was the entire amount. They lied. What did the apostle Peter say about this?

What he did not say, was "you are commanded to give all the money". He didn't say that. What did he say?

Acts 5:3
“Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.”

What did he say? It was YOUR land to begin with. It was YOUR money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

Peter affirms capitalism. It was his private property to start with. It was his money after it was sold. Why did you lie?

If the story of the early church was about socialism, and being forced to share everything in common, why didn't he say that? Why did he affirm private ownership? Because it's not about socialism. You are wrong.

Oh my. You just tried to claim a rebuke for a lie was somehow affirming capitalism. There is no limit to contortions that fake Christians will go through in an attempt to use religion to justify their greed.

It was. That's what he said. Can you not read? "While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own?" Own. He owned it. That's capitalism! Private ownership of the means of production or distribution of wealth.

He OWNed that land. Land was the primary means of production in that age.

I'm not contorting anything. I'm reading it.

You're stretching there sweet lips. That story has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

Funny how you cite a dozen verses and claim it has to do with socialism, but I point out that they affirm capitalism, the private ownership of property.... and suddenly you claim it doesn't have to do with either one.

Since it doesn't support your view, it must not support any view?

Well, you have the right to be wrong. You may continued to be as long as you like.

I didn't quote Acts 5:3.

Which changes nothing I said. Sorry, but the Bible isn't a theological buffet where, or a pick your own adventure book. You don't get to quote Acts 4, and pretend nothing else exists. That's what politicians do. Maybe you should read your own posts:

"You are confusing your politics with your religion. Your religion is suffering for it."