Jesus the Socialist

[koshergrl]

This thread has now turned into a rant.

And none of you strikes me as very well informed about Jesus Himself nor about the New Testament.

You also sound like a bunch of little junior high school heathens and not very Christian.

It all goes to prove my theory of Theism being dead and that Deism is now the best hope for civilization rather than organized religion.

Carry on ... .

....he ranted.

Every one of your posts has been a flame and a rant. It figures that you would now depart, whining about how people are flaming and ranting.

Loser.

KGirl, you need to git yer ass to Sunday School and actually learn something about The New Testament.

So far you don't know jack apple sh!t.

I'm a Sunday school teacher and vacation bible school teacher. What are you confused d about? What do you think I'm getting wrong?

 

[koshergrl]

Matthew 7:6 - Pearls and Pigs

 

[IndependantAce]

Jesus was a communitarian, not a socialist.

Materialistic libertarians are not Christian anyway - they have more in common with the Levyan Church of Satan.

 

[onefour1]

Jesus was killed for no other reason than to atone for the sins of mankind and bring about the resurrection of the dead.

John 10:17-18
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

I'm pretty sure that the people who killed him had other reasons.

They certainly had their evil reasons to try and kill him but if it wasn't for the reason Jesus specified, they could never have killed him. It was allowed to fulfill all righteousness.

 

[onefour1]

Socialism is a man made political/economic order which is false. Not exactly what Christ would have instituted.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 

[emilynghiem]

This thread has now turned into a rant.

And none of you strikes me as very well informed about Jesus Himself nor about the New Testament.

You also sound like a bunch of little junior high school heathens and not very Christian.

It all goes to prove my theory of Theism being dead and that Deism is now the best hope for civilization rather than organized religion.

Carry on ... .

Dear yiostheoy where do you think the process of establishing truth and justice is going to take place?
In interactions just like this between ppl all trying to point out what is and what isn't on target.

So if you see something missing, aha, that's your job to point it out!

Why are you giving up and walking away from your very purpose for being here.

If you've got higher standards and vision of what should be the ideal, please, you are good to share that here.

The door is open for you to walk in.
Why walk out?

This stage is yours too!
State your case of what is better.
Why not strive for the very best?
Why settle for less?

 

[emilynghiem]

I've always figured Heaven is closeness to God and Hell is distance from God. We make our own heaven and hell and the only certainties are the lives we have now.

Well, at least you admit you make up your own religion.
At least Satan is happy.

Every religion was made up at some point and none of the memes are even original. Do you know how many dieties had affairs with mortals and produced illegitimate offspring with supernatural powers?

Coyote and what about the good things that all religions seek to represent?

Do you know that all major religions have a version of the Golden Rule of reciprocity?

It is a common universal law that people attract what we give to others. Some call this cause and effect or karma. Others justice or reaping what we sow, what comes around goes around. Others the law of attraction. I've heard business mentors teach it as scarcity mentality attracting victimhood and poverty, while abundance mentality attracts wealth and success.

This concept is taught by both religious and nontheistic secular people trying to help others to improve themselves, their relations and lives, and society.

Are you okay with religions being used to organize and teach people in groups, so we can work out a learning curve toward peace justice and good will for all in society?

Emily, I am frequently irreverent on religion, because I feel God endowed us with a sense of humor, and the means to use it...so I do even if I come off as insulting. I'm aware of the Golden Rule, and personally believe that all religions are different paths to the Sacred, or, maybe more fitting - different languages we developed to describe the Mysteries. It's like the blind men with the elephant...each understands only a part. I'm fine with religions being used to organize and teach people as you describe. I think that is we religion should aim for - we all have something to learn from the other, and we can all benefit from it.

Thank you Coyote
You sound a lot like me. I also treat religions as languages and believe each one is used to organize ppl and ideas like branches of a tree.

One thing I add is that uniting all branches in Christ is like the trunk. There is one central connection between all ppl and tribes, like th e common universal truth that God's truth represents, the common greatest good will for all humanity that God's will represents, and the universal spirit of Restorative Justice that Jesus represents. So I do understand what Christians mean by Jesus being the one reconciling mediator between God and man.

When we all unite in the love of truth justice and peace for all, that is the meaning of God the Father son and holy spirit. So it is true what Christians teach about Jesus being that unique connection. What Christians and nonchristians miss is that Jesus and Justice are one. We are seeking the same fulfillment of laws, though we call Jesus or Justice by different names. There is only one collective Justice that includes all humanity in coming to peace, so of course that has to be the same as what Jesus means.

We don't have to be divided over language when it's clear the Jesus that Christians are praying to come is one and the same as the Equal Justice for All that secular ppl are seeking and asking for. Why can't we ask and seek together, wouldn't we achieve the goal more effectively by uniting than dividing?

 

[BULLDOG]

Socialism is a man made political/economic order which is false. Not exactly what Christ would have instituted.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”
Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Acts 4:32-35
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Deuteronomy 15:10-11
You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Psalm 113:7
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
Matthew 25:45
Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jesus was a socialist like Starkey is a Republican

 

[eflatminor]

A radical who fought for social justice.

He was on the side of the Angels on pretty much everything and his message was as clear as it gets.

Anti War - Blessed are the Peacemakers.

Healing the sick - He didnt turn away people without cover.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. He didnt say "apart from fags".

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. - Co-operation not competition, we work together to build a better world.

Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. - Apart from when its trannys who deserve to die !

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. - Strong supporter of welfare.

All the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and so on, are summed up in this single command: You must love your neighbor as yourself. - No T and Cs on this. We are all neighbours and entitled. He doesnt exclude any group.

How have his teachings become twisted into hate by false prophets ?

How has he been appropriated by the Right ?

Every so called 'commandment' is a request for voluntary action. I don't see anything that says "Government commands". If it's voluntary, it can't be Socialism, which relies on the force of armed agents to compel the people's actions. Stated differently, giving a beggar something is NOT welfare. No, these statements make Jesus sound more like a libertarian.

 

[Coyote]

That never made any sense. A person could be evil and repent at the last minute and gain salvation while another person, who was not a believer, could be full of goodness and sent to hell. Stupid shit.

Not at all stupid, and it makes plenty of sense to normal, non-mentally ill, moral people of faith. It will keep mentally ill, milquetoast, self absorbed, ignorant morons like you out of heaven, and that is why it will be a perfect place for the rest of us.

^ Dear koshergrl I read your list
and all of these human traits are NOT the determining factors in themselves.

What sends people to go through hell/suffering is UNFORGIVENESS.

What allows people to rise above these earthly human conditions and find Peace and Heaven by healing and grace is
FORGIVENESS

I didn't see these listed in your list.

But those are the two key factors.

We can suffer from being mentally ill, selfish, ignorant, even hypocritical because we are human and subject to flaws and ills.

But what makes the DIFFERENCE:
* if we can FORGIVE one another our faults, we 'confess to one another and pray for each other that we may be healed' then we can restore what is right true and good despite the mental and physical ills we have to face as humans
* if we cannot forgive, then we suffer in a vicious cycle from these ills, and it's that unforgiveness that blocks us and traps us from making any progress to get out of our messes, fix or prevent them in the future.

koshergrl can we agree that no matter how mentally ill, socially or physically screwed up humans are, the key to saving humanity starts with FORGIVENESS. And this is the key to opening the door to change, to receive greater support to turn those ill situation around. No matter how bad the past is, no matter which person or group's fault or if it is shared, the way to stay stuck is unforgiveness and blaming back and forth, and the way out starts with forgiving the mess regardless of its cause.

Oh I forgive people. But for God to forgive.people, they have to ask for forgiveness, and repent their sins.

Christ also said cast not pearls before swine. Coyote is.swine.

and we're none too sure about your "pearls" either....

But thanks for your contribution anyway

Leonard Cohen wrote a song Anthem, who's lyrics describe faith so well....

Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in​

The light gets in through our flaws...and we're all flawed.

christ wasn't talking about my pearls. He was talking about the pearls of God, you sad lost fool.

I know about the imperfection of man. Unlike you, I don't believe that as imperfect as we are there is.still nothing better..I don't believe that since I am imperfect, perfection doesn't exist. That is the arrogant cop out of self centered.losers like you.

And you think I'm referring to literal pearls you silly swine? You are "always correct" how can you be imperfect? (Disclaimer: Sarcasm Alert).

Maybe some day you can actually walk the walk instead of just talking the talk. A lot of non-Christians act more Christian than a lot of people who call themselves "faithful". You have no idea what I believe, but I'll tell you this. I think that often the belief that the only life that counts is the afterlife has led us to trash this planet in the mistaken idea that it doesn't really matter. This life is what really counts and it was given to us to make the best of. We don't know where we'll end up, or what we'll be when we leave it. We owe it to Earth and God to take care of their gifts and preserve them for future generations.

 

[emilynghiem]

Not at all stupid, and it makes plenty of sense to normal, non-mentally ill, moral people of faith. It will keep mentally ill, milquetoast, self absorbed, ignorant morons like you out of heaven, and that is why it will be a perfect place for the rest of us.

^ Dear koshergrl I read your list
and all of these human traits are NOT the determining factors in themselves.

What sends people to go through hell/suffering is UNFORGIVENESS.

What allows people to rise above these earthly human conditions and find Peace and Heaven by healing and grace is
FORGIVENESS

I didn't see these listed in your list.

But those are the two key factors.

We can suffer from being mentally ill, selfish, ignorant, even hypocritical because we are human and subject to flaws and ills.

But what makes the DIFFERENCE:
* if we can FORGIVE one another our faults, we 'confess to one another and pray for each other that we may be healed' then we can restore what is right true and good despite the mental and physical ills we have to face as humans
* if we cannot forgive, then we suffer in a vicious cycle from these ills, and it's that unforgiveness that blocks us and traps us from making any progress to get out of our messes, fix or prevent them in the future.

koshergrl can we agree that no matter how mentally ill, socially or physically screwed up humans are, the key to saving humanity starts with FORGIVENESS. And this is the key to opening the door to change, to receive greater support to turn those ill situation around. No matter how bad the past is, no matter which person or group's fault or if it is shared, the way to stay stuck is unforgiveness and blaming back and forth, and the way out starts with forgiving the mess regardless of its cause.

Oh I forgive people. But for God to forgive.people, they have to ask for forgiveness, and repent their sins.

Christ also said cast not pearls before swine. Coyote is.swine.

and we're none too sure about your "pearls" either....

But thanks for your contribution anyway

Leonard Cohen wrote a song Anthem, who's lyrics describe faith so well....

Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in​

The light gets in through our flaws...and we're all flawed.

christ wasn't talking about my pearls. He was talking about the pearls of God, you sad lost fool.

I know about the imperfection of man. Unlike you, I don't believe that as imperfect as we are there is.still nothing better..I don't believe that since I am imperfect, perfection doesn't exist. That is the arrogant cop out of self centered.losers like you.

And you think I'm referring to literal pearls you silly swine? You are "always correct" how can you be imperfect? (Disclaimer: Sarcasm Alert).

Maybe some day you can actually walk the walk instead of just talking the talk. A lot of non-Christians act more Christian than a lot of people who call themselves "faithful". You have no idea what I believe, but I'll tell you this. I think that often the belief that the only life that counts is the afterlife has led us to trash this planet in the mistaken idea that it doesn't really matter. This life is what really counts and it was given to us to make the best of. We don't know where we'll end up, or what we'll be when we leave it. We owe it to Earth and God to take care of their gifts and preserve them for future generations.

Dear Coyote in my experience with left and right leaning Christians, there are some more called and suited to using the law to rebuke their own. Maybe since koshergrl has taught Sunday school that role of teacher and correction is more Kosher's spiritual calling. Some teachers or principals have a leadership style that is authoritarian only, yes or no, right or wrong, and they don't always specialize in working one on one with each case individually but just police collectively in general.

It is a different role to address needs of ppl who aren't already committed to following and enforcing scriptural laws and standards.

My role tends to be softer. I don't do well trying to lay down the laws for mass ppl to follow. I'm more like an interpreter between ppl of different backgrounds and languages. I try to capture the spirit of what each person means and find the best way to explain that in terms the other person can relate to by experience.

Some ppl are called to nurture and help ppl without judging. Some are very authoritarian and called to police the pharisees and sagisees.

So it is not up to softer types like you and me to police ppl on here like Jeremiah and Hashev who will only listen to elders higher on the scale than they are.

You and I probably do better serving others as mediators who facilitate between other ppl where we provide support but don't tell ppl what to do or change. It doesn't come across well if it isn't our job to begin with.

I get thrown into that role sometimes, but usually just to troubleshoot find out what is needed then go refer that out cuz I can't do it if it's not my job.

I am not an authoritarian type. I find the same differences between the political leadership types, the liberal Democrats who want to help ppl inclusive ly and the conservative Republicans who focus on rule of law and policing govt by constitutional limits. When the D and R don't do their jobs, then the Greens and Libertarians step up and jump on them. Different roles for different folks. We should agree which ppl are best for which roles so we can help each other succeed instead of trying to make each other fail!!

 

[Andylusion]

Jesus was a communitarian, not a socialist.

Materialistic libertarians are not Christian anyway - they have more in common with the Levyan Church of Satan.

Jesus was not a communitarian either.

 

[emilynghiem]

Jesus was a communitarian, not a socialist.

Materialistic libertarians are not Christian anyway - they have more in common with the Levyan Church of Satan.

Jesus was not a communitarian either.

I'd say Jesus like Justice has two sides, just like the double edged sword in the Bible.

There's offering Justice to others by practicing it, to doing the work to ensure justice in society by what we do and teach by example.

Then there's holding each other to Justice by rebuking by the law to correct wrongdoing.

I think that's where people get the most messed up. ^
Nobody wants to listen to a hypocrite telling others to correct what they are also getting wrong. So since we all get hypocritical, of course we don't want to listen to each other!

Restorative Justice is more about corrections and restitution, to restore relations in good faith.
The Retributive Justice is about judging by the rule of law, which gets messy when people start condemning and rejecting each other instead of fixing the root of the problems causing conflict int the first place.

Clearly we need more Restorative Justice, but this only works for people committed to the same. If people are still in Retribution mode, the only thing bullies listen to is bigger bullies.
This leads to war instead of peace.

Thanks Andylusion
And Thanks to Tommy Tainant for letting us use this thread to discuss deeper things, from a multitude of angles (where he had to post a new thread for specific topics he MEANT to discuss. Thanks Tommy!)

 

[emilynghiem]

A radical who fought for social justice.

He was on the side of the Angels on pretty much everything and his message was as clear as it gets.

Anti War - Blessed are the Peacemakers.

Healing the sick - He didnt turn away people without cover.

P.S. Tommy Tainant
for healing the sick, addressing the real source requires
deep spiritual therapy and healing prayer for forgiveness.

Not the role of govt or the religious right that preaches in public.

This is definitely private and personal material outside govt and politics.

Do you mind starting a specific thread for healing and health care?
How much can be done by govt and what is best delegated to states and people?

Thanks again, Tommy!

 

[Andylusion]

This thread has now turned into a rant.

And none of you strikes me as very well informed about Jesus Himself nor about the New Testament.

You also sound like a bunch of little junior high school heathens and not very Christian.

It all goes to prove my theory of Theism being dead and that Deism is now the best hope for civilization rather than organized religion.

Carry on ... .

Anyone can come on here and say "everything everyone else is saying is wrong". Actually proving that assertion is a bit harder.

 

[emilynghiem]

This thread has now turned into a rant.

And none of you strikes me as very well informed about Jesus Himself nor about the New Testament.

You also sound like a bunch of little junior high school heathens and not very Christian.

It all goes to prove my theory of Theism being dead and that Deism is now the best hope for civilization rather than organized religion.

Carry on ... .

Anyone can come on here and say "everything everyone else is saying is wrong". Actually proving that assertion is a bit harder.

Agree Andylusion
Hey yiostheoy since TT started a new thread to target a particular point he wanted to address specifically,
can we ask you to do the same?

Can you start a thread specifically stating what you think religions are getting wrong and what they ought to strive for you feel is missing?

How would you word the question to correct the problem(s) you see with religions?
Just asking and framing the question may be the real challenge here.
TT did very well reframing the issue.

Can you do the same? I think this is important,
and would love to discuss it within the framework
and standards YOU feel need to be met that aren't!

 

[onefour1]

Socialism is a man made political/economic order which is false. Not exactly what Christ would have instituted.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”
Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Acts 4:32-35
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Deuteronomy 15:10-11
You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Psalm 113:7
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
Matthew 25:45
Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

Do you really think the leaders of a socialist state would be like Jesus? Are the leaders of a socialist state on the same economic and social level as the lowest person in their society? Why aren't they?

 

[emilynghiem]

Socialism is a man made political/economic order which is false. Not exactly what Christ would have instituted.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”
Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Acts 4:32-35
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Deuteronomy 15:10-11
You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Psalm 113:7
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
Matthew 25:45
Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

Do you really think the leaders of a socialist state would be like Jesus? Are the leaders of a socialist state on the same economic and social level as the lowest person in their society? Why aren't they?

People aren't equal as long as some are teachers others are students, some are leaders others are followers, some are lenders others are borrowers, some are owners others are renters.

But if we set up school systems where we can manage different classes and levels fairly, without exploiting anyone for their labor while they are learning and training, we could manage society with equal Respect for all ppl, even if out social roles and stages of development are not equal or the same. Why can't we manage social programs in tiers like academic depts and class levels. Wouldn't this help organize ppl by need, by supply and demand, while providing support for ppl to move up to higher levels.

 

[BULLDOG]

Socialism is a man made political/economic order which is false. Not exactly what Christ would have instituted.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15
For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”
Acts 2:44-45
And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Acts 4:32-35
Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
Luke 3:11
And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Deuteronomy 15:10-11
You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Psalm 113:7
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap,
Matthew 25:45
Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

Do you really think the leaders of a socialist state would be like Jesus? Are the leaders of a socialist state on the same economic and social level as the lowest person in their society? Why aren't they?

You are confusing your politics with your religion. Your religion is suffering for it.