John Brown - Abolitionist

[SandSquid]

He was hanged as a traitor. Sooner or later liberals will rehabilitate him and make him a hero.

yeah, sooner or later white Supremacists won't be around keeping their belief that inciting a slave rebellion isn't the worst thing in the world and people should be free.

 

[pismoe]

How is this character viewed in the US ?

Why is he not a hero ?

---------------------------------- think that he is a hero to some but not to others Tommy .

 

[Darkwind]

How is this character viewed in the US ?

Why is he not a hero ?

John Brown (May 9, 1800 – December 2, 1859) was an American abolitionist who believed in and advocated armed insurrection as the only way to overthrow the institution of slavery in the United States."

" In May 1856, Brown and his supporters killed five supporters of slavery in the Pottawatomie massacre"

In October 1859, Brown led a raid on the federal armory at Harpers Ferry, Virginia (today West Virginia) . . . He seized the armory, but seven people were killed, and ten or more were injured."

"He was hastily tried for treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia, the murder of five men (including 3 blacks), and inciting a slave insurrection; he was found guilty on all counts and was hanged. He was the first person convicted of treason in the history of the country."

John Brown (abolitionist) - Wikipedia

I'm going to say the highlighted parts might have something to do with why he's not viewed as a hero.

Not to mention his role in the 'Bleeding Kansas" crisis.

 

[SandSquid]

How is this character viewed in the US ?

Why is he not a hero ?

He should be

But he was a religious nut job who ended up doing more harm than good
After his raid, the south went nuts thinking the slaves were going to revolt and kill them in their sleep. Just like Nat Turner

Goof. Nat Turner murder many whites including women and children. He did his dirty deeds nearly 30 years BEFORE John Brown did his. You dummy.

No Shit Sherlock
The one thing that terrorized slave owners was a slave uprising. 4 million slaves in the south with 5 million whites. They knew they had tenuous control of the slaves.
After Nat Turner, they instilled strict controls over slaves ability to assemble.
John Brown tried to arm those 4 million slaves. Though it did not get far, the idea terrified the south

Southern whites feared slave uprisings WELL BEFORE John Brown. So, your silly point that the South went nuts after he committed his heinous acts, is historically incorrect and well...dumb.

What do you mean? Militia's in the south at the time were decrepit. The book Reluctant Confederates: Upper South Unionists in the Secession Crisis goes into detail about that change, showing newspapers and speeches of how Harpers Ferry sparked a fire in the south to build their militia's back up to prevent slave uprising. How it was sensationalized in the press and how it provided the rebuilding of the militia's which became the Confederate army after secession and allowed them to instantly militarize their rebellion.

Check the speeches by candidates, especially Southern Democrats, papers of the time like the Raleigh Register. This was brought up constantly as the effect of the Republican party. This wasn't just a slave uprising, but a white northerner helping a slave uprising. It was brought up specifically in minutes of the meetings on secession in southern states as well.

 

[gipper]

How is this character viewed in the US ?

Why is he not a hero ?

He should be

But he was a religious nut job who ended up doing more harm than good
After his raid, the south went nuts thinking the slaves were going to revolt and kill them in their sleep. Just like Nat Turner

Goof. Nat Turner murder many whites including women and children. He did his dirty deeds nearly 30 years BEFORE John Brown did his. You dummy.

M
No Shit Sherlock
The one thing that terrorized slave owners was a slave uprising. 4 million slaves in the south with 5 million whites. They knew they had tenuous control of the slaves.
After Nat Turner, they instilled strict controls over slaves ability to assemble.
John Brown tried to arm those 4 million slaves. Though it did not get far, the idea terrified the south

Southern whites feared slave uprisings WELL BEFORE John Brown. So, your silly point that the South went nuts after he committed his heinous acts, is historically incorrect and well...dumb.

What do you mean? Militia's in the south at the time were decrepit. The book Reluctant Confederates: Upper South Unionists in the Secession Crisis goes into detail about that change, showing newspapers and speeches of how Harpers Ferry sparked a fire in the south to build their militia's back up to prevent slave uprising. How it was sensationalized in the press and how it provided the rebuilding of the militia's which became the Confederate army after secession and allowed them to instantly militarize their rebellion.

Check the speeches by candidates, especially Southern Democrats, papers of the time like the Raleigh Register. This was brought up constantly as the effect of the Republican party. This wasn't just a slave uprising, but a white northerner helping a slave uprising. It was brought up specifically in minutes of the meetings on secession in southern states as well.

My point was pointed at the dipshit poster that I responded to. He claimed the South went 'nuts' after John Brown, because of a fear of slave uprisings. The fact is slave uprisings were a fear of southerns for decades before John Brown. The dipshit poster referred to Nat Turner. Well as you must know, Turner murdered many whites 30 years before Brown.

Whites were helping slaves escape before John Brown appeared. The Underground Railroad had been in place for some time. The South had disliked Northerns actions long before Brown.

Yes Brown's actions inflamed many southerns, but he was hung for his actions.

 

[rightwinger]

He should be

But he was a religious nut job who ended up doing more harm than good
After his raid, the south went nuts thinking the slaves were going to revolt and kill them in their sleep. Just like Nat Turner

Goof. Nat Turner murder many whites including women and children. He did his dirty deeds nearly 30 years BEFORE John Brown did his. You dummy.

M
No Shit Sherlock
The one thing that terrorized slave owners was a slave uprising. 4 million slaves in the south with 5 million whites. They knew they had tenuous control of the slaves.
After Nat Turner, they instilled strict controls over slaves ability to assemble.
John Brown tried to arm those 4 million slaves. Though it did not get far, the idea terrified the south

Southern whites feared slave uprisings WELL BEFORE John Brown. So, your silly point that the South went nuts after he committed his heinous acts, is historically incorrect and well...dumb.

What do you mean? Militia's in the south at the time were decrepit. The book Reluctant Confederates: Upper South Unionists in the Secession Crisis goes into detail about that change, showing newspapers and speeches of how Harpers Ferry sparked a fire in the south to build their militia's back up to prevent slave uprising. How it was sensationalized in the press and how it provided the rebuilding of the militia's which became the Confederate army after secession and allowed them to instantly militarize their rebellion.

Check the speeches by candidates, especially Southern Democrats, papers of the time like the Raleigh Register. This was brought up constantly as the effect of the Republican party. This wasn't just a slave uprising, but a white northerner helping a slave uprising. It was brought up specifically in minutes of the meetings on secession in southern states as well.

My point was pointed at the dipshit poster that I responded to. He claimed the South went 'nuts' after John Brown, because of a fear of slave uprisings. The fact is slave uprisings were a fear of southerns for decades before John Brown. The dipshit poster referred to Nat Turner. Well as you must know, Turner murdered many whites 30 years before Brown.

Whites were helping slaves escape before John Brown appeared. The Underground Railroad had been in place for some time. The South had disliked Northerns actions long before Brown.

Yes Brown's actions inflamed many southerns, but he was hung for his actions.

Wrong again Skippy

Yes, the south was always afraid of slave uprising and black men fucking their wives

But John Brown brought it home. It was now a real threat and they panicked
So much so that they felt like they needed to start their own country

 

[gipper]

Goof. Nat Turner murder many whites including women and children. He did his dirty deeds nearly 30 years BEFORE John Brown did his. You dummy.

M
No Shit Sherlock
The one thing that terrorized slave owners was a slave uprising. 4 million slaves in the south with 5 million whites. They knew they had tenuous control of the slaves.
After Nat Turner, they instilled strict controls over slaves ability to assemble.
John Brown tried to arm those 4 million slaves. Though it did not get far, the idea terrified the south

Southern whites feared slave uprisings WELL BEFORE John Brown. So, your silly point that the South went nuts after he committed his heinous acts, is historically incorrect and well...dumb.

What do you mean? Militia's in the south at the time were decrepit. The book Reluctant Confederates: Upper South Unionists in the Secession Crisis goes into detail about that change, showing newspapers and speeches of how Harpers Ferry sparked a fire in the south to build their militia's back up to prevent slave uprising. How it was sensationalized in the press and how it provided the rebuilding of the militia's which became the Confederate army after secession and allowed them to instantly militarize their rebellion.

Check the speeches by candidates, especially Southern Democrats, papers of the time like the Raleigh Register. This was brought up constantly as the effect of the Republican party. This wasn't just a slave uprising, but a white northerner helping a slave uprising. It was brought up specifically in minutes of the meetings on secession in southern states as well.

My point was pointed at the dipshit poster that I responded to. He claimed the South went 'nuts' after John Brown, because of a fear of slave uprisings. The fact is slave uprisings were a fear of southerns for decades before John Brown. The dipshit poster referred to Nat Turner. Well as you must know, Turner murdered many whites 30 years before Brown.

Whites were helping slaves escape before John Brown appeared. The Underground Railroad had been in place for some time. The South had disliked Northerns actions long before Brown.

Yes Brown's actions inflamed many southerns, but he was hung for his actions.

Wrong again Skippy

Yes, the south was always afraid of slave uprising and black men fucking their wives

But John Brown brought it home. It was now a real threat and they panicked
So much so that they felt like they needed to start their own country

Wrong. John Brown was hung, which satisfied most in the South. Sure they disliked the North's hypocrisy on slavery, but the war was solely the responsibility of the murderous psychopath, Dishonest Abe.

 

[rightwinger]

M
No Shit Sherlock
The one thing that terrorized slave owners was a slave uprising. 4 million slaves in the south with 5 million whites. They knew they had tenuous control of the slaves.
After Nat Turner, they instilled strict controls over slaves ability to assemble.
John Brown tried to arm those 4 million slaves. Though it did not get far, the idea terrified the south

Southern whites feared slave uprisings WELL BEFORE John Brown. So, your silly point that the South went nuts after he committed his heinous acts, is historically incorrect and well...dumb.

What do you mean? Militia's in the south at the time were decrepit. The book Reluctant Confederates: Upper South Unionists in the Secession Crisis goes into detail about that change, showing newspapers and speeches of how Harpers Ferry sparked a fire in the south to build their militia's back up to prevent slave uprising. How it was sensationalized in the press and how it provided the rebuilding of the militia's which became the Confederate army after secession and allowed them to instantly militarize their rebellion.

Check the speeches by candidates, especially Southern Democrats, papers of the time like the Raleigh Register. This was brought up constantly as the effect of the Republican party. This wasn't just a slave uprising, but a white northerner helping a slave uprising. It was brought up specifically in minutes of the meetings on secession in southern states as well.

My point was pointed at the dipshit poster that I responded to. He claimed the South went 'nuts' after John Brown, because of a fear of slave uprisings. The fact is slave uprisings were a fear of southerns for decades before John Brown. The dipshit poster referred to Nat Turner. Well as you must know, Turner murdered many whites 30 years before Brown.

Whites were helping slaves escape before John Brown appeared. The Underground Railroad had been in place for some time. The South had disliked Northerns actions long before Brown.

Yes Brown's actions inflamed many southerns, but he was hung for his actions.

Wrong again Skippy

Yes, the south was always afraid of slave uprising and black men fucking their wives

But John Brown brought it home. It was now a real threat and they panicked
So much so that they felt like they needed to start their own country

Wrong. John Brown was hung, which satisfied most in the South. Sure they disliked the North's hypocrisy on slavery, but the war was solely the responsibility of the murderous psychopath, Dishonest Abe.

Your revisionist history is not working

Try again

 

[SandSquid]

M
No Shit Sherlock
The one thing that terrorized slave owners was a slave uprising. 4 million slaves in the south with 5 million whites. They knew they had tenuous control of the slaves.
After Nat Turner, they instilled strict controls over slaves ability to assemble.
John Brown tried to arm those 4 million slaves. Though it did not get far, the idea terrified the south

Southern whites feared slave uprisings WELL BEFORE John Brown. So, your silly point that the South went nuts after he committed his heinous acts, is historically incorrect and well...dumb.

What do you mean? Militia's in the south at the time were decrepit. The book Reluctant Confederates: Upper South Unionists in the Secession Crisis goes into detail about that change, showing newspapers and speeches of how Harpers Ferry sparked a fire in the south to build their militia's back up to prevent slave uprising. How it was sensationalized in the press and how it provided the rebuilding of the militia's which became the Confederate army after secession and allowed them to instantly militarize their rebellion.

Check the speeches by candidates, especially Southern Democrats, papers of the time like the Raleigh Register. This was brought up constantly as the effect of the Republican party. This wasn't just a slave uprising, but a white northerner helping a slave uprising. It was brought up specifically in minutes of the meetings on secession in southern states as well.

My point was pointed at the dipshit poster that I responded to. He claimed the South went 'nuts' after John Brown, because of a fear of slave uprisings. The fact is slave uprisings were a fear of southerns for decades before John Brown. The dipshit poster referred to Nat Turner. Well as you must know, Turner murdered many whites 30 years before Brown.

Whites were helping slaves escape before John Brown appeared. The Underground Railroad had been in place for some time. The South had disliked Northerns actions long before Brown.

Yes Brown's actions inflamed many southerns, but he was hung for his actions.

Wrong again Skippy

Yes, the south was always afraid of slave uprising and black men fucking their wives

But John Brown brought it home. It was now a real threat and they panicked
So much so that they felt like they needed to start their own country

Wrong. John Brown was hung, which satisfied most in the South. Sure they disliked the North's hypocrisy on slavery, but the war was solely the responsibility of the murderous psychopath, Dishonest Abe.

Interesting view. Rather than the revisionist history, lets see what actual historians who have reviewed speeches, newspapers, and political events have had to say about the real history

https://www.history.com/topics/abolotionist-movement/john-brown

"In the South, his execution did little to allay spreading fears of slave insurrection and a growing conviction that northern opponents of slavery would continue to stimulate insurrection. Many analysts then and since have concluded that Brown’s raid did much to hasten the coming of the Civil War."

Which makes sense as states had sent out secession commissioners to spread the word of why they were seceding and multiple specifically spoke to John Brown's raid as a reason for pushing secession, as well as multiple states listing the northern push for insurrections as a reason for secession in their own articles of secession.


For Example Georgia who specifically mentioned " For twenty years past the abolitionists and their allies in the Northern States have been engaged in constant efforts to subvert our institutions and to excite insurrection and servile war among us. They have sent emissaries among us for the accomplishment of these purposes. Some of these efforts have received the public sanction of a majority of the leading men of the Republican party in the national councils, the same men who are now proposed as our rulers. These efforts have in one instance led to the actual invasion of one of the slave-holding States, and those of the murderers and incendiaries who escaped public justice by flight have found fraternal protection among our Northern confederates." (specifically mentioning John Browns raid and the 5 who escaped north in their "Declaration of causes for secession".

Mississippi had said they " advocate negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst."

And of course Texas with claiming abolitionists "stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides."

But hey, lets just sweep that history under the rug and rewrite it huh?

 

[Cecilie1200]

How is this character viewed in the US ?

Why is he not a hero ?

John Brown (May 9, 1800 – December 2, 1859) was an American abolitionist who believed in and advocated armed insurrection as the only way to overthrow the institution of slavery in the United States."

" In May 1856, Brown and his supporters killed five supporters of slavery in the Pottawatomie massacre"

In October 1859, Brown led a raid on the federal armory at Harpers Ferry, Virginia (today West Virginia) . . . He seized the armory, but seven people were killed, and ten or more were injured."

"He was hastily tried for treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia, the murder of five men (including 3 blacks), and inciting a slave insurrection; he was found guilty on all counts and was hanged. He was the first person convicted of treason in the history of the country."

John Brown (abolitionist) - Wikipedia

I'm going to say the highlighted parts might have something to do with why he's not viewed as a hero.

Not to mention his role in the 'Bleeding Kansas" crisis.

He was definitely a poster child for "the ends do not justify the means."

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

He was hanged as a traitor. Sooner or later liberals will rehabilitate him and make him a hero.

The Confederate leaders should have been hanged as traitors
They caused 600,000 deaths

Damn those Democrats.

Yup, well they were Southern Democrats. But that party which has sided with Southern Conservatism in the US keeps ending up on the wrong side of history when it comes to human rights.

Parties switched sides bullshit myth again. Normal people call that historical revisionism.

 

[gipper]

Southern whites feared slave uprisings WELL BEFORE John Brown. So, your silly point that the South went nuts after he committed his heinous acts, is historically incorrect and well...dumb.

What do you mean? Militia's in the south at the time were decrepit. The book Reluctant Confederates: Upper South Unionists in the Secession Crisis goes into detail about that change, showing newspapers and speeches of how Harpers Ferry sparked a fire in the south to build their militia's back up to prevent slave uprising. How it was sensationalized in the press and how it provided the rebuilding of the militia's which became the Confederate army after secession and allowed them to instantly militarize their rebellion.

Check the speeches by candidates, especially Southern Democrats, papers of the time like the Raleigh Register. This was brought up constantly as the effect of the Republican party. This wasn't just a slave uprising, but a white northerner helping a slave uprising. It was brought up specifically in minutes of the meetings on secession in southern states as well.

My point was pointed at the dipshit poster that I responded to. He claimed the South went 'nuts' after John Brown, because of a fear of slave uprisings. The fact is slave uprisings were a fear of southerns for decades before John Brown. The dipshit poster referred to Nat Turner. Well as you must know, Turner murdered many whites 30 years before Brown.

Whites were helping slaves escape before John Brown appeared. The Underground Railroad had been in place for some time. The South had disliked Northerns actions long before Brown.

Yes Brown's actions inflamed many southerns, but he was hung for his actions.

Wrong again Skippy

Yes, the south was always afraid of slave uprising and black men fucking their wives

But John Brown brought it home. It was now a real threat and they panicked
So much so that they felt like they needed to start their own country

Wrong. John Brown was hung, which satisfied most in the South. Sure they disliked the North's hypocrisy on slavery, but the war was solely the responsibility of the murderous psychopath, Dishonest Abe.

Interesting view. Rather than the revisionist history, lets see what actual historians who have reviewed speeches, newspapers, and political events have had to say about the real history

https://www.history.com/topics/abolotionist-movement/john-brown

"In the South, his execution did little to allay spreading fears of slave insurrection and a growing conviction that northern opponents of slavery would continue to stimulate insurrection. Many analysts then and since have concluded that Brown’s raid did much to hasten the coming of the Civil War."

Which makes sense as states had sent out secession commissioners to spread the word of why they were seceding and multiple specifically spoke to John Brown's raid as a reason for pushing secession, as well as multiple states listing the northern push for insurrections as a reason for secession in their own articles of secession.


For Example Georgia who specifically mentioned " For twenty years past the abolitionists and their allies in the Northern States have been engaged in constant efforts to subvert our institutions and to excite insurrection and servile war among us. They have sent emissaries among us for the accomplishment of these purposes. Some of these efforts have received the public sanction of a majority of the leading men of the Republican party in the national councils, the same men who are now proposed as our rulers. These efforts have in one instance led to the actual invasion of one of the slave-holding States, and those of the murderers and incendiaries who escaped public justice by flight have found fraternal protection among our Northern confederates." (specifically mentioning John Browns raid and the 5 who escaped north in their "Declaration of causes for secession".

Mississippi had said they " advocate negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst."

And of course Texas with claiming abolitionists "stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides."

But hey, lets just sweep that history under the rug and rewrite it huh?

LOL...yeah REAL historians. Too funny. They keep lying to the American people about how great the mass murdering lying scum Dishonest Abe was. Yet you think we should listen to the historians. LOL..

Open your mind to the truth. Seek it out. Don't let others tell you how to think.

 

[rightwinger]

What do you mean? Militia's in the south at the time were decrepit. The book Reluctant Confederates: Upper South Unionists in the Secession Crisis goes into detail about that change, showing newspapers and speeches of how Harpers Ferry sparked a fire in the south to build their militia's back up to prevent slave uprising. How it was sensationalized in the press and how it provided the rebuilding of the militia's which became the Confederate army after secession and allowed them to instantly militarize their rebellion.

Check the speeches by candidates, especially Southern Democrats, papers of the time like the Raleigh Register. This was brought up constantly as the effect of the Republican party. This wasn't just a slave uprising, but a white northerner helping a slave uprising. It was brought up specifically in minutes of the meetings on secession in southern states as well.

My point was pointed at the dipshit poster that I responded to. He claimed the South went 'nuts' after John Brown, because of a fear of slave uprisings. The fact is slave uprisings were a fear of southerns for decades before John Brown. The dipshit poster referred to Nat Turner. Well as you must know, Turner murdered many whites 30 years before Brown.

Whites were helping slaves escape before John Brown appeared. The Underground Railroad had been in place for some time. The South had disliked Northerns actions long before Brown.

Yes Brown's actions inflamed many southerns, but he was hung for his actions.

Wrong again Skippy

Yes, the south was always afraid of slave uprising and black men fucking their wives

But John Brown brought it home. It was now a real threat and they panicked
So much so that they felt like they needed to start their own country

Wrong. John Brown was hung, which satisfied most in the South. Sure they disliked the North's hypocrisy on slavery, but the war was solely the responsibility of the murderous psychopath, Dishonest Abe.

Interesting view. Rather than the revisionist history, lets see what actual historians who have reviewed speeches, newspapers, and political events have had to say about the real history

https://www.history.com/topics/abolotionist-movement/john-brown

"In the South, his execution did little to allay spreading fears of slave insurrection and a growing conviction that northern opponents of slavery would continue to stimulate insurrection. Many analysts then and since have concluded that Brown’s raid did much to hasten the coming of the Civil War."

Which makes sense as states had sent out secession commissioners to spread the word of why they were seceding and multiple specifically spoke to John Brown's raid as a reason for pushing secession, as well as multiple states listing the northern push for insurrections as a reason for secession in their own articles of secession.


For Example Georgia who specifically mentioned " For twenty years past the abolitionists and their allies in the Northern States have been engaged in constant efforts to subvert our institutions and to excite insurrection and servile war among us. They have sent emissaries among us for the accomplishment of these purposes. Some of these efforts have received the public sanction of a majority of the leading men of the Republican party in the national councils, the same men who are now proposed as our rulers. These efforts have in one instance led to the actual invasion of one of the slave-holding States, and those of the murderers and incendiaries who escaped public justice by flight have found fraternal protection among our Northern confederates." (specifically mentioning John Browns raid and the 5 who escaped north in their "Declaration of causes for secession".

Mississippi had said they " advocate negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst."

And of course Texas with claiming abolitionists "stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides."

But hey, lets just sweep that history under the rug and rewrite it huh?

LOL...yeah REAL historians. Too funny. They keep lying to the American people about how great the mass murdering lying scum Dishonest Abe was. Yet you think we should listen to the historians. LOL..

Open your mind to the truth. Seek it out. Don't let others tell you how to think.

Oh yes, you use those alternative fact historians

 

[gipper]

My point was pointed at the dipshit poster that I responded to. He claimed the South went 'nuts' after John Brown, because of a fear of slave uprisings. The fact is slave uprisings were a fear of southerns for decades before John Brown. The dipshit poster referred to Nat Turner. Well as you must know, Turner murdered many whites 30 years before Brown.

Whites were helping slaves escape before John Brown appeared. The Underground Railroad had been in place for some time. The South had disliked Northerns actions long before Brown.

Yes Brown's actions inflamed many southerns, but he was hung for his actions.

Wrong again Skippy

Yes, the south was always afraid of slave uprising and black men fucking their wives

But John Brown brought it home. It was now a real threat and they panicked
So much so that they felt like they needed to start their own country

Wrong. John Brown was hung, which satisfied most in the South. Sure they disliked the North's hypocrisy on slavery, but the war was solely the responsibility of the murderous psychopath, Dishonest Abe.

Interesting view. Rather than the revisionist history, lets see what actual historians who have reviewed speeches, newspapers, and political events have had to say about the real history

https://www.history.com/topics/abolotionist-movement/john-brown

"In the South, his execution did little to allay spreading fears of slave insurrection and a growing conviction that northern opponents of slavery would continue to stimulate insurrection. Many analysts then and since have concluded that Brown’s raid did much to hasten the coming of the Civil War."

Which makes sense as states had sent out secession commissioners to spread the word of why they were seceding and multiple specifically spoke to John Brown's raid as a reason for pushing secession, as well as multiple states listing the northern push for insurrections as a reason for secession in their own articles of secession.


For Example Georgia who specifically mentioned " For twenty years past the abolitionists and their allies in the Northern States have been engaged in constant efforts to subvert our institutions and to excite insurrection and servile war among us. They have sent emissaries among us for the accomplishment of these purposes. Some of these efforts have received the public sanction of a majority of the leading men of the Republican party in the national councils, the same men who are now proposed as our rulers. These efforts have in one instance led to the actual invasion of one of the slave-holding States, and those of the murderers and incendiaries who escaped public justice by flight have found fraternal protection among our Northern confederates." (specifically mentioning John Browns raid and the 5 who escaped north in their "Declaration of causes for secession".

Mississippi had said they " advocate negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst."

And of course Texas with claiming abolitionists "stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides."

But hey, lets just sweep that history under the rug and rewrite it huh?

LOL...yeah REAL historians. Too funny. They keep lying to the American people about how great the mass murdering lying scum Dishonest Abe was. Yet you think we should listen to the historians. LOL..

Open your mind to the truth. Seek it out. Don't let others tell you how to think.

Oh yes, you use those alternative fact historians

No...you believe shit that isn't so. A most common mental illness with statists.

 

[SandSquid]

What do you mean? Militia's in the south at the time were decrepit. The book Reluctant Confederates: Upper South Unionists in the Secession Crisis goes into detail about that change, showing newspapers and speeches of how Harpers Ferry sparked a fire in the south to build their militia's back up to prevent slave uprising. How it was sensationalized in the press and how it provided the rebuilding of the militia's which became the Confederate army after secession and allowed them to instantly militarize their rebellion.

Check the speeches by candidates, especially Southern Democrats, papers of the time like the Raleigh Register. This was brought up constantly as the effect of the Republican party. This wasn't just a slave uprising, but a white northerner helping a slave uprising. It was brought up specifically in minutes of the meetings on secession in southern states as well.

My point was pointed at the dipshit poster that I responded to. He claimed the South went 'nuts' after John Brown, because of a fear of slave uprisings. The fact is slave uprisings were a fear of southerns for decades before John Brown. The dipshit poster referred to Nat Turner. Well as you must know, Turner murdered many whites 30 years before Brown.

Whites were helping slaves escape before John Brown appeared. The Underground Railroad had been in place for some time. The South had disliked Northerns actions long before Brown.

Yes Brown's actions inflamed many southerns, but he was hung for his actions.

Wrong again Skippy

Yes, the south was always afraid of slave uprising and black men fucking their wives

But John Brown brought it home. It was now a real threat and they panicked
So much so that they felt like they needed to start their own country

Wrong. John Brown was hung, which satisfied most in the South. Sure they disliked the North's hypocrisy on slavery, but the war was solely the responsibility of the murderous psychopath, Dishonest Abe.

Interesting view. Rather than the revisionist history, lets see what actual historians who have reviewed speeches, newspapers, and political events have had to say about the real history

https://www.history.com/topics/abolotionist-movement/john-brown

"In the South, his execution did little to allay spreading fears of slave insurrection and a growing conviction that northern opponents of slavery would continue to stimulate insurrection. Many analysts then and since have concluded that Brown’s raid did much to hasten the coming of the Civil War."

Which makes sense as states had sent out secession commissioners to spread the word of why they were seceding and multiple specifically spoke to John Brown's raid as a reason for pushing secession, as well as multiple states listing the northern push for insurrections as a reason for secession in their own articles of secession.


For Example Georgia who specifically mentioned " For twenty years past the abolitionists and their allies in the Northern States have been engaged in constant efforts to subvert our institutions and to excite insurrection and servile war among us. They have sent emissaries among us for the accomplishment of these purposes. Some of these efforts have received the public sanction of a majority of the leading men of the Republican party in the national councils, the same men who are now proposed as our rulers. These efforts have in one instance led to the actual invasion of one of the slave-holding States, and those of the murderers and incendiaries who escaped public justice by flight have found fraternal protection among our Northern confederates." (specifically mentioning John Browns raid and the 5 who escaped north in their "Declaration of causes for secession".

Mississippi had said they " advocate negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst."

And of course Texas with claiming abolitionists "stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides."

But hey, lets just sweep that history under the rug and rewrite it huh?

LOL...yeah REAL historians. Too funny. They keep lying to the American people about how great the mass murdering lying scum Dishonest Abe was. Yet you think we should listen to the historians. LOL..

Open your mind to the truth. Seek it out. Don't let others tell you how to think.

It's literally in the southern states own "declarations of Independence" from the US.

How dumb can you be to try and erase that history and revise your own version. Sorry but it's still there and you will need to burn a LOT of history to make your claim

 

[SandSquid]

Wrong again Skippy

Yes, the south was always afraid of slave uprising and black men fucking their wives

But John Brown brought it home. It was now a real threat and they panicked
So much so that they felt like they needed to start their own country

Wrong. John Brown was hung, which satisfied most in the South. Sure they disliked the North's hypocrisy on slavery, but the war was solely the responsibility of the murderous psychopath, Dishonest Abe.

Interesting view. Rather than the revisionist history, lets see what actual historians who have reviewed speeches, newspapers, and political events have had to say about the real history

https://www.history.com/topics/abolotionist-movement/john-brown

"In the South, his execution did little to allay spreading fears of slave insurrection and a growing conviction that northern opponents of slavery would continue to stimulate insurrection. Many analysts then and since have concluded that Brown’s raid did much to hasten the coming of the Civil War."

Which makes sense as states had sent out secession commissioners to spread the word of why they were seceding and multiple specifically spoke to John Brown's raid as a reason for pushing secession, as well as multiple states listing the northern push for insurrections as a reason for secession in their own articles of secession.


For Example Georgia who specifically mentioned " For twenty years past the abolitionists and their allies in the Northern States have been engaged in constant efforts to subvert our institutions and to excite insurrection and servile war among us. They have sent emissaries among us for the accomplishment of these purposes. Some of these efforts have received the public sanction of a majority of the leading men of the Republican party in the national councils, the same men who are now proposed as our rulers. These efforts have in one instance led to the actual invasion of one of the slave-holding States, and those of the murderers and incendiaries who escaped public justice by flight have found fraternal protection among our Northern confederates." (specifically mentioning John Browns raid and the 5 who escaped north in their "Declaration of causes for secession".

Mississippi had said they " advocate negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst."

And of course Texas with claiming abolitionists "stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides."

But hey, lets just sweep that history under the rug and rewrite it huh?

LOL...yeah REAL historians. Too funny. They keep lying to the American people about how great the mass murdering lying scum Dishonest Abe was. Yet you think we should listen to the historians. LOL..

Open your mind to the truth. Seek it out. Don't let others tell you how to think.

Oh yes, you use those alternative fact historians

No...you believe shit that isn't so. A most common mental illness with statists.

You are literally saying the founding fathers of the Confederacy didn't know what was happening when the Confederacy was founded and they specifically mentioned John Browns raid.


In 100 years I'm sure people like you will be saying pearl harbor had nothing to do with the US entering WWII. And Sep11 had nothing to do with the war on terrorism.

Luckily for Americans we've written down our history . So when people like you want to try and rewrite it, we can go back to the source and put you in your place.

 

[SandSquid]

He should be

But he was a religious nut job who ended up doing more harm than good
After his raid, the south went nuts thinking the slaves were going to revolt and kill them in their sleep. Just like Nat Turner

Goof. Nat Turner murder many whites including women and children. He did his dirty deeds nearly 30 years BEFORE John Brown did his. You dummy.

M
No Shit Sherlock
The one thing that terrorized slave owners was a slave uprising. 4 million slaves in the south with 5 million whites. They knew they had tenuous control of the slaves.
After Nat Turner, they instilled strict controls over slaves ability to assemble.
John Brown tried to arm those 4 million slaves. Though it did not get far, the idea terrified the south

Southern whites feared slave uprisings WELL BEFORE John Brown. So, your silly point that the South went nuts after he committed his heinous acts, is historically incorrect and well...dumb.

What do you mean? Militia's in the south at the time were decrepit. The book Reluctant Confederates: Upper South Unionists in the Secession Crisis goes into detail about that change, showing newspapers and speeches of how Harpers Ferry sparked a fire in the south to build their militia's back up to prevent slave uprising. How it was sensationalized in the press and how it provided the rebuilding of the militia's which became the Confederate army after secession and allowed them to instantly militarize their rebellion.

Check the speeches by candidates, especially Southern Democrats, papers of the time like the Raleigh Register. This was brought up constantly as the effect of the Republican party. This wasn't just a slave uprising, but a white northerner helping a slave uprising. It was brought up specifically in minutes of the meetings on secession in southern states as well.

My point was pointed at the dipshit poster that I responded to. He claimed the South went 'nuts' after John Brown, because of a fear of slave uprisings. The fact is slave uprisings were a fear of southerns for decades before John Brown. The dipshit poster referred to Nat Turner. Well as you must know, Turner murdered many whites 30 years before Brown.

Whites were helping slaves escape before John Brown appeared. The Underground Railroad had been in place for some time. The South had disliked Northerns actions long before Brown.

Yes Brown's actions inflamed many southerns, but he was hung for his actions.

And his actions were so big, the first major slave rebellion led by a white northerner, it was a massive topic in elections when southern Democrats were accusing Republicans of supporting Brown.

Read those state legislative minutes on secession. Nat Turner isn't who's brought up. John Brown is over and over.

They disliked many in the Norths anti slavery stances. But Browns raid really took that to another level.

It's like saying sure, Al qaeda had been attacking the US before 9/11 so that day wasn't really a big one for the push to fight them.

It's a lie. A historical falsehood you can't defend without destroying actual source history at the time. So why do you think the founding fathers of the Confederacy were wrong about the founding of the Confederacy and you were right? You've provided NO source to your beliefs. You've provided NO rebuttal to the actual historical evidence I've shown . Just tried to ignore history and rewrite your own.


And then the best rebuttal you have is name calling? That's it? This isn't the second grade. Calling someone a poopy pants doesn't back your lies up any better. Why can't you debate with facts and reality? Why do you have to turn to lies and name calling? You must realize when you have to lie to support your claim, try and hide actual source history, and then name call people who can you out on that it doesn't lend any credence to your stance. It just takes away all credibility

 

[SandSquid]

What do you mean? Militia's in the south at the time were decrepit. The book Reluctant Confederates: Upper South Unionists in the Secession Crisis goes into detail about that change, showing newspapers and speeches of how Harpers Ferry sparked a fire in the south to build their militia's back up to prevent slave uprising. How it was sensationalized in the press and how it provided the rebuilding of the militia's which became the Confederate army after secession and allowed them to instantly militarize their rebellion.

Check the speeches by candidates, especially Southern Democrats, papers of the time like the Raleigh Register. This was brought up constantly as the effect of the Republican party. This wasn't just a slave uprising, but a white northerner helping a slave uprising. It was brought up specifically in minutes of the meetings on secession in southern states as well.

My point was pointed at the dipshit poster that I responded to. He claimed the South went 'nuts' after John Brown, because of a fear of slave uprisings. The fact is slave uprisings were a fear of southerns for decades before John Brown. The dipshit poster referred to Nat Turner. Well as you must know, Turner murdered many whites 30 years before Brown.

Whites were helping slaves escape before John Brown appeared. The Underground Railroad had been in place for some time. The South had disliked Northerns actions long before Brown.

Yes Brown's actions inflamed many southerns, but he was hung for his actions.

Wrong again Skippy

Yes, the south was always afraid of slave uprising and black men fucking their wives

But John Brown brought it home. It was now a real threat and they panicked
So much so that they felt like they needed to start their own country

Wrong. John Brown was hung, which satisfied most in the South. Sure they disliked the North's hypocrisy on slavery, but the war was solely the responsibility of the murderous psychopath, Dishonest Abe.

Interesting view. Rather than the revisionist history, lets see what actual historians who have reviewed speeches, newspapers, and political events have had to say about the real history

https://www.history.com/topics/abolotionist-movement/john-brown

"In the South, his execution did little to allay spreading fears of slave insurrection and a growing conviction that northern opponents of slavery would continue to stimulate insurrection. Many analysts then and since have concluded that Brown’s raid did much to hasten the coming of the Civil War."

Which makes sense as states had sent out secession commissioners to spread the word of why they were seceding and multiple specifically spoke to John Brown's raid as a reason for pushing secession, as well as multiple states listing the northern push for insurrections as a reason for secession in their own articles of secession.


For Example Georgia who specifically mentioned " For twenty years past the abolitionists and their allies in the Northern States have been engaged in constant efforts to subvert our institutions and to excite insurrection and servile war among us. They have sent emissaries among us for the accomplishment of these purposes. Some of these efforts have received the public sanction of a majority of the leading men of the Republican party in the national councils, the same men who are now proposed as our rulers. These efforts have in one instance led to the actual invasion of one of the slave-holding States, and those of the murderers and incendiaries who escaped public justice by flight have found fraternal protection among our Northern confederates." (specifically mentioning John Browns raid and the 5 who escaped north in their "Declaration of causes for secession".

Mississippi had said they " advocate negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst."

And of course Texas with claiming abolitionists "stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides."

But hey, lets just sweep that history under the rug and rewrite it huh?

LOL...yeah REAL historians. Too funny. They keep lying to the American people about how great the mass murdering lying scum Dishonest Abe was. Yet you think we should listen to the historians. LOL..

Open your mind to the truth. Seek it out. Don't let others tell you how to think.

And the dishonest Abe bit is funny. Yes he lied. A lot in those election primaries. First saying he didn't want to end slavery when once he took office it was clear he did.

Then he really pissed off the white supremacists the next time around saying he didn't want them to be equal. In his first speech after his reelection he said he wanted to give blacks voting rights. An actor was at that speech who was pissed. John Wilkes Booth walked out screaming "that means ni&&ER citizenship!" . Within a week he got his revenge from dishonest Abe lying about not wanting to make blacks equal.

Those lies STILL piss off white supremacists to this day don't they?

 

[SandSquid]

He was hanged as a traitor. Sooner or later liberals will rehabilitate him and make him a hero.

The Confederate leaders should have been hanged as traitors
They caused 600,000 deaths

Damn those Democrats.

Yup, well they were Southern Democrats. But that party which has sided with Southern Conservatism in the US keeps ending up on the wrong side of history when it comes to human rights.

Parties switched sides bullshit myth again. Normal people call that historical revisionism.

Ahh yes. Because the Democrats are still the party of conservative Southerners.

And Republicans still call themselves the progressive party


I mean Dems are the ones still flying rebel flags at their elections and such today right?


Oh wait a minute... Lol .

No the Conservative Democrats (what they called themselves after the war) are no more. Republicans don't side with being Progressive politically anymore.

 

[SandSquid]

I mean it takes 5 seconds to look at late 1800s political party stances.

Which party wanted bigger public works programs? More government influence in people's lives and businesses? Which party was fighting for more open borders? Which party had the ONLY candidate to ever open the borders more? Which one pushed for higher tax rates to pay for those programs? Which one wanted more socialism pushing for land giveaways and paid college?

And which party was for lower taxes, smaller govt, stronger borders, conservative beliefs, and keeping out of private businesses?


But yeah. Republicans are still the top group today right? The liberal party winning the big cities and urban areas with their progressive ideas while the Democrats hold on to the rural conservative South?