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You have your opinion, and I have the experience. Which is more credible, fool? Perhaps the Coast Guard would combine the Deck and Operations Departments, but I sure as hell wouldn't want a deck ape standing a watch in CIC tracking a target on a radar repeater.Anyone that knows ANYTHING about the military knows that the chain of command is how it functions. Captains of ships are acting under orders and departing from that and firing because they feel threatened ain't gonna cut it. That street thinking, not military.No shit Sherlock! Speaking of reading, you should do some more of that reading thingy of what I wrote before sticking both feet in your mouth and appearing, well, less than your potential.I note that you have supplied MORE than ample proof of your assertions above... YOUR UNSUBSTANTIATED OPINION! Laughable!!!You are so very wrong and ignorant of a US Navy ship Captain's duty and obligation, as well as the crew's, to protect his ship. If that CO felt his ship was in eminent danger, he didn't need anyone's permission to take aggressive action to defend his ship from attack. Notification to higher authority in the chain of command AFTER THE FACT is required in situations that would not admit delay, you opinion notwithstanding!
The rules of engagement are set by the military, he can't ignore them.
Your criticism should be of the White House. In the past, a huge advantage of the Military is that we set rules and allow our commanders to act in the field. This white house as all authoritarian leftists through history are control freaks.
It's Obama and Kerry that set the policy. Take the criticism where it is due
Got Milk, too?
It's not an opinion. There is a whole raft of ROE's that any ships Captain receives upon assuming command. This is well known to those who actually read.
IF you were in the Navy you weren't much more than a deck ape.
That ship spends all of its time just off the coast of Russia in the black sea. It's basically constantly buzzing Russia. And all Putin does is send an unarmed jet flying by every once in a while.Stop your hysterics people
Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer
"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.
"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.
"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."
As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.
The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.
They weren't being "annoying," they were threatening. Riddle me this, Batman. Why didn't we just turn around and do the same thing to a Russian ship?
Because .. Putin would have shot it down ...
Now you're making shit up. Come here straw man...I got a match!Your post #32 here;No shit Sherlock! Speaking of reading, you should do some more of that reading thingy of what I wrote before sticking both feet in your mouth and appearing, well, less than your potential.I note that you have supplied MORE than ample proof of your assertions above... YOUR UNSUBSTANTIATED OPINION! Laughable!!!
Got Milk, too?
It's not an opinion. There is a whole raft of ROE's that any ships Captain receives upon assuming command. This is well known to those who actually read.
What is it you think I said that you're arguing against? You don't even know, do you?
You're the one with the issues. You were Army or Air Force or none of the above?The rules of engagement are set by the military, he can't ignore them.
Your criticism should be of the White House. In the past, a huge advantage of the Military is that we set rules and allow our commanders to act in the field. This white house as all authoritarian leftists through history are control freaks.
So you think the because I think the rules of engagement in a contentious area with the Russians came from the top? That means I'm clueless? Wow, you just proved how clueless you are
That depends on what that Captains OPRD's were.You are so very wrong and ignorant of a US Navy ship Captain's duty and obligation, as well as the crew's, to protect his ship. If that CO felt his ship was in eminent danger, he didn't need anyone's permission to take aggressive action to defend his ship from attack. Notification to higher authority in the chain of command AFTER THE FACT is required in situations that would not admit delay, you opinion notwithstanding!No way can they fire on anything without going through the chain of command.
That ship spends all of its time just off the coast of Russia in the black sea. It's basically constantly buzzing Russia. And all Putin does is send an unarmed jet flying by every once in a while.Stop your hysterics people
Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer
"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.
"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.
"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."
As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.
The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.
They weren't being "annoying," they were threatening. Riddle me this, Batman. Why didn't we just turn around and do the same thing to a Russian ship?
Because .. Putin would have shot it down ...
Now you're making shit up. Come here straw man...I got a match!Your post #32 here;No shit Sherlock! Speaking of reading, you should do some more of that reading thingy of what I wrote before sticking both feet in your mouth and appearing, well, less than your potential.It's not an opinion. There is a whole raft of ROE's that any ships Captain receives upon assuming command. This is well known to those who actually read.
What is it you think I said that you're arguing against? You don't even know, do you?
You're the one with the issues. You were Army or Air Force or none of the above?The rules of engagement are set by the military, he can't ignore them.
Your criticism should be of the White House. In the past, a huge advantage of the Military is that we set rules and allow our commanders to act in the field. This white house as all authoritarian leftists through history are control freaks.
So you think the because I think the rules of engagement in a contentious area with the Russians came from the top? That means I'm clueless? Wow, you just proved how clueless you are
So you were never in any branch of the military, eh? Why am I not surprised!
That ship spends all of its time just off the coast of Russia in the black sea. It's basically constantly buzzing Russia. And all Putin does is send an unarmed jet flying by every once in a while.Stop your hysterics people
Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer
"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.
"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.
"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."
As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.
The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.
They weren't being "annoying," they were threatening. Riddle me this, Batman. Why didn't we just turn around and do the same thing to a Russian ship?
Because .. Putin would have shot it down ...
30 feet isn't "flying by." I would totally warned it and waited until it reached a fairly close distance. But at two miles ignoring warnings and flying straight at our ship is an act of aggression.
Again, batman, why didn't we do the same to a Russian ship? We care about the lives of our pilots, and they would have been shot down. Putin didn't care
LOL Hilarious.
John Kerry: we could have shot down Russian jets 'buzzing' US warship
Wow, Kerry makes a breach of etiquette and skips the sinister triple dog dare ya, and goes right for the throat
I say hell yeah, this was pure Russian aggression. Putin is just laughing at us and our spineless wuss of a President. This isn't the endless games our militaries play, he crossed the line. And he did it on purpose to embarrass us. And it worked, our spineless President again showed what he is. No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously
That ship spends all of its time just off the coast of Russia in the black sea. It's basically constantly buzzing Russia. And all Putin does is send an unarmed jet flying by every once in a while.Stop your hysterics people
Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer
"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.
"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.
"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."
As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.
The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.
They weren't being "annoying," they were threatening. Riddle me this, Batman. Why didn't we just turn around and do the same thing to a Russian ship?
Because .. Putin would have shot it down ...
30 feet isn't "flying by." I would totally warned it and waited until it reached a fairly close distance. But at two miles ignoring warnings and flying straight at our ship is an act of aggression.
Again, batman, why didn't we do the same to a Russian ship? We care about the lives of our pilots, and they would have been shot down. Putin didn't care
If a Russian warship comes within a few miles of our borders, maybe we will. Putin wouldn't dare do that of course.
Totally over your head I see.That ship spends all of its time just off the coast of Russia in the black sea. It's basically constantly buzzing Russia. And all Putin does is send an unarmed jet flying by every once in a while.Stop your hysterics people
Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer
"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.
"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.
"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."
As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.
The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.
They weren't being "annoying," they were threatening. Riddle me this, Batman. Why didn't we just turn around and do the same thing to a Russian ship?
Because .. Putin would have shot it down ...
30 feet isn't "flying by." I would totally warned it and waited until it reached a fairly close distance. But at two miles ignoring warnings and flying straight at our ship is an act of aggression.
Again, batman, why didn't we do the same to a Russian ship? We care about the lives of our pilots, and they would have been shot down. Putin didn't care
If a Russian warship comes within a few miles of our borders, maybe we will. Putin wouldn't dare do that of course.
Yes, Obama's criticisms are cutting, Putin wouldn't dare walk into that buzz saw again
Totally over your head I see.That ship spends all of its time just off the coast of Russia in the black sea. It's basically constantly buzzing Russia. And all Putin does is send an unarmed jet flying by every once in a while.They weren't being "annoying," they were threatening. Riddle me this, Batman. Why didn't we just turn around and do the same thing to a Russian ship?
Because .. Putin would have shot it down ...
30 feet isn't "flying by." I would totally warned it and waited until it reached a fairly close distance. But at two miles ignoring warnings and flying straight at our ship is an act of aggression.
Again, batman, why didn't we do the same to a Russian ship? We care about the lives of our pilots, and they would have been shot down. Putin didn't care
If a Russian warship comes within a few miles of our borders, maybe we will. Putin wouldn't dare do that of course.
Yes, Obama's criticisms are cutting, Putin wouldn't dare walk into that buzz saw again
Russia has been pulling Uncle Sam's beard since WWII ended. And getting away with it. We are going to have to fight the sonsabitches sooner or later. Maybe if we had a POTUS with balls and had a few planes shot down they would take a hint.Crazy how conservatives want a dramatic, unplanned, reactionary escalation into all out war in the black sea with Russia.
The CO's of US Navy vessels do not receive Army OPORD's. The structure of the US Navy is a little different than the US Army.That depends on what that Captains OPRD's were.You are so very wrong and ignorant of a US Navy ship Captain's duty and obligation, as well as the crew's, to protect his ship. If that CO felt his ship was in eminent danger, he didn't need anyone's permission to take aggressive action to defend his ship from attack. Notification to higher authority in the chain of command AFTER THE FACT is required in situations that would not admit delay, you opinion notwithstanding!No way can they fire on anything without going through the chain of command.
