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GOD forbid....id shoot you b4 i let you take care of me...How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.
We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?
For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.
No black death...
Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.
Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.
If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.
"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."
U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista
And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.
2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.
Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.
1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.
Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.
So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?
If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?
And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.
Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?
700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.
Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.
The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.
Your logic is just bad.
1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.
2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.
But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.
Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.
This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.
Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.
I work in a hospital and constantly deal with all kinds of doctors, please just stfu already as you have no idea wtf you, and quacks you may listen to, are talking about.