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where did I say I hate cops??Says the guy standing there pointing a finger and saying he hates cops.. LOL
Showing my ID isn't granting anyone any power. It helping alleviate a problem.jbrownson0831
What's sad? The cops violated the law, you are aware of that right? In California you have no legal requirement to produce identification at a cop's request and they are not allowed to detain someone to get identification. They certainly do not have a right to search their car or cell phones without a warrant or consent. The question is why on earth would you ever want to grant a government official that type of power?
but forcing you to provide it in violation of the 4th amendment is surrendering rights,,Showing my ID isn't granting anyone any power. It helping alleviate a problem.
Asking for the id isn't the problem. A Police Officer is free to ask you anything they want. You just aren't required to provide them an answer. The detainment based on the refusal to produce an ID is the problem. There's also the illegal search of the car and cell phones. Even if California was a Stop and ID state (which is isn't) the Police Officer has to be able to articulate a reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime, are about to commit a crime or that you are a witness to certain types of criminal acts for you to be required to show them an ID or even tell them who you are. Is it easier to comply with their requests? Sure, I guess. But the police officers don't have the authority to detain someone based on their refusal to provide an ID on request. I most certainly does not give them authorization to conduct a search of a vehicle without a warrant or consent.Showing my ID isn't granting anyone any power. It helping alleviate a problem.
sounds like your a cop hater,,,Asking for the id isn't the problem. A Police Officer is free to ask you anything they want. You just aren't required to provide them an answer. The detainment based on the refusal to produce an ID is the problem. There's also the illegal search of the car and cell phones. Even if California was a Stop and ID state (which is isn't) the Police Officer has to be able to articulate a reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime, are about to commit a crime or that you are a witness to certain types of criminal acts for you to be required to show them an ID or even tell them who you are. Is it easier to comply with their requests? Sure, I guess. But the police officers don't have the authority to detain someone based on their refusal to provide an ID on request. I most certainly does not give them authorization to conduct a search of a vehicle without a warrant or consent.
Unlike you I have not spent 20 pages running down Police Officers. I get that you think you're scoring points in some imaginary "win the internet" game you're playing but you arent. Also you're playing that game by yourself or at least Im not playing that game so...sounds like your a cop hater,,,
quit lying,, your words make it clear you hate cops,,,Unlike you I have not spent 20 pages running down Police Officers. I get that you think you're scoring points in some imaginary "win the internet" game you're playing but you arent. Also you're playing that game by yourself or at least Im not playing that game so...
Ok, little buddy. Im a leftist too right?quit lying,, your words make it clear you hate cops,,,
youre for sure left of me and the constitution,, the only thing to the left of you is a democrat,,Ok, little buddy. Im a leftist too right?
There’s something in the black culture that teaches it’s a GOOD thing to defy the police. Remember the “Traits of Whiteness” display at the Smithsonian Museum of African American History? One of the was “respecting authority.”
Which criminal statute would you prosecute these cops under? If you throw PO's in jail because they made a mistake, people just wont be cops which will not have the effect you think.
You’ll scream like a little baby when you need a cop and they don’t show up because of the policies you support.
correct to a point cause it varies by state,,The police cannot demand your identification unless they have probable cause for a legal violation.
For instance, if they catch you committing a moving violation, they can ask for your driver's license.
However, THIS woman was parked, she and her daughters had every right to refuse to surrender their ID.
false imprisonment
www.law.cornell.edu
Actually, it will get the racists and bullies to not want to be cops, but we'd all be better off if they weren't.
Good luck with that. And I know you think that's what will happen but good people will not sign up to be police officers if you prosecute them when they make mistakes. Had there been some violent action by these police officers that was unwarranted I would agree with you but as far as I can tell from the video all that happened was the PO's made an error or didn't understand their authority under the law. It's not a reason to imprison them. Being a PO is a horribly difficult and dangerous job that doesnt pay much. You really think what you're proposing would drive recruitment of good people? That has as much chance of happening as our current political climate has of drawing quality candidates for POTUS.The police cannot demand your identification unless they have probable cause for a legal violation.
For instance, if they catch you committing a moving violation, they can ask for your driver's license.
However, THIS woman was parked, she and her daughters had every right to refuse to surrender their ID.
false imprisonment
Actually, it will get the racists and bullies to not want to be cops, but we'd all be better off if they weren't.
I agree with you on the over extension of the police authority. My point is simply that by showing your ID, the entire situation may have been avoided.Asking for the id isn't the problem. A Police Officer is free to ask you anything they want. You just aren't required to provide them an answer. The detainment based on the refusal to produce an ID is the problem. There's also the illegal search of the car and cell phones. Even if California was a Stop and ID state (which is isn't) the Police Officer has to be able to articulate a reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime, are about to commit a crime or that you are a witness to certain types of criminal acts for you to be required to show them an ID or even tell them who you are. Is it easier to comply with their requests? Sure, I guess. But the police officers don't have the authority to detain someone based on their refusal to provide an ID on request. I most certainly does not give them authorization to conduct a search of a vehicle without a warrant or consent.
the anti ginners would say why not just give up your guns and the entire situation could be avoided,,,I agree with you on the over extension of the police authority. My point is simply that by showing your ID, the entire situation may have been avoided.
But then a jury of peer idiots couldn't have made these silly people rich.
Wonder why?There’s something in the black culture that teaches it’s a GOOD thing to defy the police. Remember the “Traits of Whiteness” display at the Smithsonian Museum of African American History? One of the was “respecting authority.”
naacp.org
It's not the job of the private citizen to "avoid the problem" though is it.I agree with you on the over extension of the police authority. My point is simply that by showing your ID, the entire situation may have been avoided.
But then a jury of peer idiots couldn't have made these silly people rich.
Again.....common sense.....It's not the job of the private citizen to "avoid the problem" though is it.
That's irrelevant. That's not the job of current police depts and hasn't been for over 100 years. No one currently alive remembers police depts who's job it was to round up escaped slaves. The entire argument that because something was created to X that that thing can never be used to do Y is ludicrous. Current policing looks nothing like it did at its origins. Some of those changes are good and some are bad, but its roots have zero to do with what it is today. The origin of government itself was to wield power over the people.Wonder why?
The Origins of Modern Day Policing
Learn about the history of modern day policing in the U.S., home to the world’s largest prison population and highest per-capita incarceration rate.
Can your neighbor force you to pick up his trash with the threat of imprisonment?Again.....common sense.....
Its not my job to clear neighbor's trash from my yard either but I do it.
