Keep Finland and Sweden Out of Nato.

[Silver Cat]

They will be in for quite a surprise when they see the US answering with a massive counterforce strike of our own.

Sure, it would be quite a surprise because both Russia and the USA know strong and weak sides of each other pretty good. It's chess, not poker.

The blackmail will fail. Any US (or other NATO) city that is destroyed will result in the US destroying a Russian city in response.

The Russians likely will be able to change one their empty and sheltered city for five American and twenty European swarmed and panicing cities.

They see a quite clear difference. Russia aggressively invades other countries. NATO prevents Russia from aggressively invading other countries.

Actually, no. They don't think that Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and many other countries were NATO members defended from Russian invasion.
Opinion | The U.S. Can’t Force the Rest of the World to Support Ukraine. Here’s Why.

Russia is not defending anyone. The only threat to ethnic Russians in Ukraine is the Russian invasion itself.

It's simply not true.

But can they keep it long term?

Yes, they can.

Not really.



Actually they convinced Europe to stop buying Russian fuel as quickly as possible.

Really? Both natural volumes of the Russian export and financial incomes are only increasing, not decreasing. Don't trust Europeans.

 

[Open Bolt]

Sure, it would be quite a surprise because both Russia and the USA know strong and weak sides of each other pretty good. It's chess, not poker.

Then Russia knows that they have no chance of successfully launching a disarming first strike against us.

The Russians likely will be able to change one their empty and sheltered city for five American and twenty European swarmed and panicing cities.

Russian cities will not be empty or sheltered. They will lose one city for every NATO city they destroy.

Actually, no. They don't think that Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and many other countries were NATO members defended from Russian invasion.
Opinion | The U.S. Can’t Force the Rest of the World to Support Ukraine. Here’s Why.

Afghanistan was an aggressor that was defended against.

NATO didn't do much in Iraq or Syria.

Kadaffy was an all-around bad guy that NATO brought to a much deserved justice.

NATO did a pretty bad thing in Serbia. There isn't much defense that can be made there.

It's simply not true.

That is incorrect. The Russian government is the only threat to ethnic Russians.

Yes, they can.

We'll see.

Really?

Yes.

Both natural volumes of the Russian export and financial incomes are only increasing, not decreasing.

I doubt it.

Don't trust Europeans.

They are the ones who get invaded if they don't stand up to Russia.

 

[Ringo]

The internal association of the Estonian Fatherland party Rahvuslased ("Nationalists"), which organizes weekly pickets at the walls of the Russian embassy in Tallinn, complained that the Russian diplomatic mission, in response to their next action, turned on a loud broadcast of Soviet military songs, the Postimees newspaper reported.

"To organize such a disco, permission for a public event is required," RIA Novosti reports the words of the leader of the association, deputy Tarmo Kruuzimae.

According to him, the embassy's broadcast of Soviet songs praising the victory in World War II at a volume of about 100 decibels interferes with the registered picket and is an extremely cynical and illegal action.

The organization of nationalists of the "Fatherland" regarded this event as interference in the internal affairs of Estonia and in this regard demands to call the Russian embassy to order. "We expect decisive actions from the Government of the Republic and the Minister of Foreign Affairs," Kruuzimae emphasizes. It is reported that the police are aware of this incident and are finding out the exact circumstances of what happened.

 

[Ringo]

Turkish security forces found Swedish AT-4 anti-tank grenade launchers, as well as other weapons and ammunition in a cave in northern Iraq used by militants of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), recognized in Turkey and the EU as a terrorist organization. This is reported by the Turkish Anadolu news agency.
The cave was taken during the assault as part of Operation "Claw-Castle", which began on April 17.

As a cherry on the cake, comparing the serial numbers of the grenade launchers will show that all this was delivered to help Ukraine
Sweden is a sponsor of terrorism! It is necessary to impose some international sanctions on it.

 

[Richard-H]

The internal association of the Estonian Fatherland party Rahvuslased ("Nationalists"), which organizes weekly pickets at the walls of the Russian embassy in Tallinn, complained that the Russian diplomatic mission, in response to their next action, turned on a loud broadcast of Soviet military songs, the Postimees newspaper reported.

"To organize such a disco, permission for a public event is required," RIA Novosti reports the words of the leader of the association, deputy Tarmo Kruuzimae.

According to him, the embassy's broadcast of Soviet songs praising the victory in World War II at a volume of about 100 decibels interferes with the registered picket and is an extremely cynical and illegal action.

The organization of nationalists of the "Fatherland" regarded this event as interference in the internal affairs of Estonia and in this regard demands to call the Russian embassy to order. "We expect decisive actions from the Government of the Republic and the Minister of Foreign Affairs," Kruuzimae emphasizes. It is reported that the police are aware of this incident and are finding out the exact circumstances of what happened.

Um...you do realize that 100 decibels isn't very loud, right?

 

[Richard-H]

Keep Finland And Sweden Out of NATO

The last thing America needs is more security dependents in Europe.

www.theamericanconservative.com

The main point being made by this article is finally making it clear that Nato is only a tool of US aggression.

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There's obviously no longer any attempt to say that Nato protects all the member countries.

Yes, we know that Finland joining NATO scares the hell out of you Russians.

 

[Silver Cat]

Then Russia knows that they have no chance of successfully launching a disarming first strike against us.

They know that they can. Just read their sources.

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That's why they started this tension situation in Europe. They believe that they can control the escalation, or, in the worst case - win the nuclear war.

Russian cities will not be empty or sheltered. They will lose one city for every NATO city they destroy.

No, if they already destroyed 90% of the US Nuclear Arsenal.

Afghanistan was an aggressor that was defended against.

NATO didn't do much in Iraq or Syria.

Kadaffy was an all-around bad guy that NATO brought to a much deserved justice.

NATO did a pretty bad thing in Serbia. There isn't much defense that can be made there.

You see, in all those cases 85% of the world population saw NATO as an aggressor.

Opinion | The U.S. Can’t Force the Rest of the World to Support Ukraine. Here’s Why.

That is incorrect. The Russian government is the only threat to ethnic Russians.

The problem is that the ethnic Russians (and Russian-speaking Ukrainians) from Southern and Eastern Ukraine, those who are officially discriminated and terrorised by Kievan regime don't believe your words. They believe in what they actually see and what is actually written in Ukrainian laws.

 

[Silver Cat]

Yes, we know that Finland joining NATO scares the hell out of you Russians.

The problem is that when the Russians are scared - they often attack the source of their fear. And if they decide that the main source of their problems is the USA - there are pretty good chances of their direct or indirect attack against America itself.

 

[BackAgain]

The problem is that when the Russians are scared - they often attack the source of their fear. And if they decide that the main source of their problems is the USA - there are pretty good chances of their direct or indirect attack against America itself.

So don’t do or say anything that might upset Russia? Who is it now who is living In fear?

 

[Open Bolt]

They know that they can. Just read their sources.

If they think they can win a nuclear war with the US, they are wrong.

No, if they already destroyed 90% of the US Nuclear Arsenal.

The worst that Russia can do is destroy our bombers.

And they can do that only if they launch a massive attack on us from out of the blue with no warning.

Such a massive attack from out of the blue will earn Russia an equally massive attack from the US, with the US then having four Ohio subs left over to pick off Russian cities at their leisure.

You see, in all those cases 85% of the world population saw NATO as an aggressor.

I doubt that is actually the case.

But if it is the case, that's justification for increasing the collateral damage that we inflict on foreigners.

The problem is that the ethnic Russians (and Russian-speaking Ukrainians) from Southern and Eastern Ukraine, those who are officially discriminated and terrorised by Kievan regime don't believe your words. They believe in what they actually see and what is actually written in Ukrainian laws.

No ethnic-Russian or Russian-speaking people are being terrorized by Ukraine. Ethnic-Russian and Russian-speaking people are being terrorized only by Russia.

 

[Silver Cat]

So don’t do or say anything that might upset Russia? Who is it now who is living In fear?

It's not about living in fear. It's about minimisation of unnecessary risks. And continue of NATO expansion will significantly decrease, not increase, safety and wealth of the Americans.

 

[Silver Cat]

If they think they can win a nuclear war with the US, they are wrong.

They can gamble and just take their chances.
There are millions of the Russian lives on stake. If there is a choice between war and peace - governments usually choose peace, because it is usually safer. If there is only a choice between attack first and being attacked - they usually choose 'attack first' option as it's safer, too.

No ethnic-Russian or Russian-speaking people are being terrorized by Ukraine. Ethnic-Russian and Russian-speaking people are being terrorized only by Russia.

It's simply not true.
Read something, say, about Odessa Massacre.

 

[Ringo]

Ukrainians beat up two men in Vienna because of a parking space.
According to the Austrian newspaper Heute, two SUVs, one of which with Ukrainian license plates, got into taxi place. And when the drivers were reprimanded, they immediately got into a fight.
Taxi drivers aged 47 and 48 were injured. One of them was hospitalized with a suspected skull fracture.

 

[BackAgain]

It's not about living in fear. It's about minimisation of unnecessary risks. And continue of NATO expansion will significantly decrease, not increase, safety and wealth of the Americans.

No. It’s about fear. Putin is a rabid evil scumbag. If we make all of our decisions based on the prospect of how that bastard might react, then we are allowing fears to limit our own freedom of choice.

Sure, we shouldn’t necessarily poke the bear for no reason, but it is (in my estimation) a serious mistake to allow the evil bastard to otherwise limit our options — especially options regarding response to the bear’s aggression.

 

[Ringo]

No. It’s about fear. Putin is a rabid evil scumbag.

Have you ever considered yourself an evil bastard?

 

[BackAgain]

Have you ever considered yourself an evil bastard?

What a stupid question.

 

[Ringo]

Such a massive attack from out of the blue will earn Russia an equally massive attack from the US, with the US then having four Ohio subs left over to pick off Russian cities at their leisure.

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[Open Bolt]

They can gamble and just take their chances.

There will be no gamble. If there is a nuclear war, Russia will lose along with everyone else.

There are millions of the Russian lives on stake. If there is a choice between war and peace - governments usually choose peace, because it is usually safer. If there is only a choice between attack first and being attacked - they usually choose 'attack first' option as it's safer, too.

NATO will not attack Russia first.

If Russia wants to avoid war with NATO, all Russia has to do is not start one.

It's simply not true.

Except it is true.

Read something, say, about Odessa Massacre.

That was probably carried out by Putin and the KGB.

 

[Richard-H]

The problem is that when the Russians are scared - they often attack the source of their fear. And if they decide that the main source of their problems is the USA - there are pretty good chances of their direct or indirect attack against America itself.

Russians are bully's, and bully's are cowards.

The whole basis of bullying is the belief that fear will dominate. Being a bully proves that you give into fear.

If Russia attacks the U.S., Russia will be destroyed. The U.S. is 30-50 years ahead of Russia in military technology. Russia has only caught up to where the U.S. was in 1990, and if Russian missile technology is as good as their tank technology, no Russian missile will even make it out of Russian airspace. Russian engineering stinks...and the whole world knows it.

 

[Ringo]

Russians are bully's, and bully's are cowards.

Of course, when all brave Europe fell under Hitler without much resistance, the cowardly Russians started their cowardly war with industrial Europe and somehow won it ...
Do you really want to get the title of the Main idiot of the forum?