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You left out so very many of the indicia that proved that Bill Clinton is a life-long racist, that you basically admitted the fact.
And, by extension, that his party is the same.
Excellent.
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Know Why The Left Hides History?
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You left out so very many of the indicia that proved that Bill Clinton is a life-long racist, that you basically admitted the fact.
And, by extension, that his party is the same.
Excellent.
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Make sure to keep your timelines straight. As I explained, Thurmond and the Dixiecrats split off in 1948, ran on the Presidential ticket, and then re-merged back with the Democrats and were basically gone by 1952. We agree that the Southern Democrats (including Dixiecrats) at the time were pro-segregation, pro-lynch mobs, pro-Klan, and anti-Civil Rights; you'll get no argument from me there. They were, however, overwhelmingly Conservative, and it took longer than that for these Conservative Southern people to drift away from the Democratic party; remember, all of the Southern Senators and most of the Southern Representatives in 1956 were still Democrats.In the South, I assume you mean. Any black Republicans were, of course, willing to embrace the Democrats due to Civil Rights, along with any sympathetic non-blacks. Also, in the post-war years, building projects lured a lot of northern Liberals down from the north for the building projects, and they brought their Liberalism with them; the shift happened more quickly and drastically in states that were awarded a lot of federal projects for that reason.
1. There were plenty of southern integrationists. They were Republicans.
2. 1966- pro-integrationist Republican Winthrop Rockefeller won Arkansas, replacing Clinton-pal Orval Faubus.
3. 1966 Republican Bo Calloway ran against Democrat Lester Maddox, who “gained national attention for refusing to serve blacks in his popular cafeteria near the Georgia Tech campus. Newsmen tipped off about the confrontation reported how restaurant patrons and employees wielded ax handles while Mr. Maddox waved a pistol. …” Research - Articles - Journals | Research better, faster at HighBeam Research
a. Maddox was endorsed by Democrat Jimmy Carter in the above governor’s race. When the race was too close to call, the Democrat state legislature gave it to Maddox.
b. Calloway appealed to the Supreme Court….but the court upheld the legislature’s decision.
c. On that very Supreme Court was former KKK member Justice Hugo Black.
d. Democrat Hugo Black was Democrat FDR’s first appointee, in 1937. This KKK Senator from Alabama wrote the majority decision on Korematsu v. US; in 1967, he said ‘They all look alike to a person not a Jap.” Engage: Conversations in Philosophy: "They all look alike to a person not a Jap"*: The Legacy of Korematsu at OSU
e. And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"
f. Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425
g. "The night riders move through the darkness, white against the black road....they go about their business, their horsed draped, guns and bullwhips banging dully against saddles.
....this is the South Carolina of the 1870s, not of the turn of a new millennium, and the night riders are the terror of these times. They roam upcountry, visiting their version of justice on poor blacks and the Republicans that support them, refusing to bow to the requirements of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments."
From the novel "The White Road," by John Connolly
4. 1966- Republican Spiro Agnew ran against Democrat segregationists George Mahoney for governor of Maryland. Agnew enacted some of the first laws in the nation against race discrimination in public housing. “Agnew signed the state's first open-housing laws and succeeded in getting the repeal of an anti-miscegenation law.” Spiro Agnew - Wikipedia
5. 1957- Democrat Sam Ervin, another liberal luminary, instrumental in the destruction of anti-communist Republicans Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon, told his fellow segregationists, and who led the Watergate investigation, said of the 1957 civil rights bill: “We’ve got to give the goddamned ******* something. We’re not gonna be able to get out of here until we’ve got some kind of ****** bill.’ Robert Caro, “Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson,” xv.
First of all, I saw the Bill Clinton list the first time you posted it. That's a case built on association - he was listed on 1992 lawsuit because he was the Governor of the state at the time, and you assume among other things that because he had cordial relationships with Faubus, Fulbright, and the United Daughters of the Confederacy that he must share their views. That is, to put it simply, not how politics works.
On to this one.
1. There were almost no Southern Republicans in the post-war years. In 1956, the Senate from the 11 former Civil War states had zero Republicans, and the House had six Republicans to 100 Democrats, most of which were arch-conservatives segregationalists.
2. Yes, 1966 is right in the middle of the shift. Winthrop Rockefeller was more Progressive than most Republicans who replaced old-school Democrats like Faubus, reflecting the beliefs of Arkansans at the time, but he was just what I'm talking about.
3. a-e. Callaway also supports my theory. He was a super-Conservative and former Democrat who switched parties and won a House seat as a "Goldwater Republican" in 1964. It so happens that the seat he vacated in order to run for Governor (oops) was one of four Conservative Republican seats that reverted to Conservative Democrats in 1966, but in other parts across the South, seven others went the other way, plus one Senate seat.
f-g. This is whiplashing us back to the 19th century. We all know that there were a lot of Klansmen among Civil War era Southern Democrats. I don't get the relevance.
4. Although I've been concentrating mostly on the formerly CSA states of the South, Agnew also first the bill of a Republican, in his case a Moderate to Conservative one, who replaced a Segregationalist Southern Democrat in Mahoney. Again, 1966 is right in the middle of the shift. You're supporting my case.
5. Ervin was not a liberal. He had more admiration among Liberals than most of his Southern Democrat colleagues for some of his civil liberties opinions, but he opposed Brown v Board, he signed the Southern Manifesto, and believed that the 14th Amendment only applied to whites. He was another Segregationalist Conservative Southern Democrat, and I don't quite understand how that quote, which does not surprise me at all, counters anything I wrote.
I'll be in and out this weekend but will be happy to respond to as much as I can.
"I'll be in and out this weekend but will be happy to respond to as much as I can."
Excellent.....you have so very much to learn.
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
- It seems that some of our friends contend that ‘conservative (racist) southern Democrats left the party and became Republicans. Not only is it provably untrue, but the fact that reliable Democrat voters, i.e., dim-wits, will accept it without questioning, is the reason the nation is in the state that it is.
- In 1948, Strom Thurmond ran as a “Dixiecrat,” not “Dixiecan.” They were segregations, and an offshoot of the Democrat Party. And they remained Democrats.
- The so-called “Dixiecrats” remained Democrats and did not migrate to the Republican Party. The Dixiecrats were a group of Southern Democrats who, in the 1948 national election, formed a third party, the State’s Rights Democratic Party with the slogan: “Segregation Forever!” Even so, they continued to be Democrats for all local and state elections, as well as for all future national elections. http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#The__Dixiecrats__Remained_Democrats
- While all Democrats weren’t segregationists, all segregationists were Democrats.
- Klan members and racists including Hugo Black, George Wallace, ‘Bull’ Connor, Orval Faubus, Lester Maddox, etc.
- And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"
a. "On June 13, 2005, in a resolution sponsored by senators Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and George Allen of Virginia, together with 78 others, the US Senate formally apologized for its failure to enact this and other anti-lynching bills "when action was most needed."[3] From 1882-1968, "...nearly 200 anti-lynching bills were introduced in Congress, and three passed the House. Seven presidents between 1890 and 1952 petitioned Congress to pass a federal law."[3] None was approved by the Senate because of the powerful opposition of the Southern Democratic voting bloc"
- But the most important segregationists were Democrats in the U.S. Senate, where civil rights bills went to die.
Senate Apologizes for Not Passing Anti-Lynching Laws
5. The most important points: all the segregationists in the Senate were Democrats, and remained same for the rest of their lives…except for one. And they were not conservative.
- Here’s a great opportunity to see the work the media does: challenge anyone to name one segregationist U.S. Senator, and the only one they’ll be able to name is Thurmond….the only one who became a Republican. Get the idea?
- The media intentionally hides the civil rights records of lifelong, liberal Democrats to make it look as if it was the Republican Party that was the party of segregation and racial discrimination.
And yep, Black was in the Klan before he quit to run for Senate, and he was a Conservative Democrat from Alabama (although not as Conservative as some; he did support the New Deal), but he too fits with the pre-shift Conservative Southern Democrat mold. Being a Supreme Court Justice (appointed in 1937, long before the Southerners drifted away), he wasn't subject to being voted out in the shift, and served until he died in 1971. He also fits right in to how things progressed.
As for Senators and Representatives who shifted from D to R, Thurmond is the only one who shifted *while in office*. Senators John Tower from Texas, Edward Gurney from Florida, Bill Brock from Tennessee, and Jesse Helms from North Carolina, and a bunch of Representatives who I'm not listing converted from Democrat to Republican before their election, and then usually replaced those who stayed with the Democratic party. Also remember that this happened slowly; between '56 and '72, about a third of the House seats once held by Conservative Southern Democrats, and a little less than half of those in the Senate, had been replaced, usually by Conservative Southern Republicans. That means even after the biggest one-time shocks to their system ('64 and '72), about two-thirds of them in the House and more than half in the Senate remained. This did not happen quickly.
I'm really not trying to criticize every word you type, but you seem to be working off only part of the story, which taken out of context and with the timeline running together, makes it seem to you like it happened differently than it really did.
P@triot
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Really? Then how do you explain that the Democrats (especially the southern Democrats) were full bore behind FDR's "New Deal" while Republican's vehemently opposed it? There was nothing "conservative" about violating the U.S. Constitution, creating welfare, creating Social Security, and implementing socialism.We agree that the Southern Democrats (including Dixiecrats) at the time were pro-segregation, pro-lynch mobs, pro-Klan, and anti-Civil Rights; you'll get no argument from me there. They were, however, overwhelmingly Conservative
I'm sorry my friend, despite the lefts most desperate efforts to re-write history, it's not happening. The Democrat Party has not changed since 1828. They were - and they remain - the party of racism. They will tolerate any "house negro" willing to remain on the plantation and support their cause (after all, the left believes the ends justifies the means and they will shake hands with the devil himself to get it done). But just ask conservatives like Allen West what happens when they dare become conservative. They face the worst forms of racism imaginable. They are called the "N word" every hour. That never happens to African-American Democrats.
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Make sure to keep your timelines straight. As I explained, Thurmond and the Dixiecrats split off in 1948, ran on the Presidential ticket, and then re-merged back with the Democrats and were basically gone by 1952. We agree that the Southern Democrats (including Dixiecrats) at the time were pro-segregation, pro-lynch mobs, pro-Klan, and anti-Civil Rights; you'll get no argument from me there. They were, however, overwhelmingly Conservative, and it took longer than that for these Conservative Southern people to drift away from the Democratic party; remember, all of the Southern Senators and most of the Southern Representatives in 1956 were still Democrats.In the South, I assume you mean. Any black Republicans were, of course, willing to embrace the Democrats due to Civil Rights, along with any sympathetic non-blacks. Also, in the post-war years, building projects lured a lot of northern Liberals down from the north for the building projects, and they brought their Liberalism with them; the shift happened more quickly and drastically in states that were awarded a lot of federal projects for that reason.
1. There were plenty of southern integrationists. They were Republicans.
2. 1966- pro-integrationist Republican Winthrop Rockefeller won Arkansas, replacing Clinton-pal Orval Faubus.
3. 1966 Republican Bo Calloway ran against Democrat Lester Maddox, who “gained national attention for refusing to serve blacks in his popular cafeteria near the Georgia Tech campus. Newsmen tipped off about the confrontation reported how restaurant patrons and employees wielded ax handles while Mr. Maddox waved a pistol. …” Research - Articles - Journals | Research better, faster at HighBeam Research
a. Maddox was endorsed by Democrat Jimmy Carter in the above governor’s race. When the race was too close to call, the Democrat state legislature gave it to Maddox.
b. Calloway appealed to the Supreme Court….but the court upheld the legislature’s decision.
c. On that very Supreme Court was former KKK member Justice Hugo Black.
d. Democrat Hugo Black was Democrat FDR’s first appointee, in 1937. This KKK Senator from Alabama wrote the majority decision on Korematsu v. US; in 1967, he said ‘They all look alike to a person not a Jap.” Engage: Conversations in Philosophy: "They all look alike to a person not a Jap"*: The Legacy of Korematsu at OSU
e. And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"
f. Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425
g. "The night riders move through the darkness, white against the black road....they go about their business, their horsed draped, guns and bullwhips banging dully against saddles.
....this is the South Carolina of the 1870s, not of the turn of a new millennium, and the night riders are the terror of these times. They roam upcountry, visiting their version of justice on poor blacks and the Republicans that support them, refusing to bow to the requirements of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments."
From the novel "The White Road," by John Connolly
4. 1966- Republican Spiro Agnew ran against Democrat segregationists George Mahoney for governor of Maryland. Agnew enacted some of the first laws in the nation against race discrimination in public housing. “Agnew signed the state's first open-housing laws and succeeded in getting the repeal of an anti-miscegenation law.” Spiro Agnew - Wikipedia
5. 1957- Democrat Sam Ervin, another liberal luminary, instrumental in the destruction of anti-communist Republicans Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon, told his fellow segregationists, and who led the Watergate investigation, said of the 1957 civil rights bill: “We’ve got to give the goddamned ******* something. We’re not gonna be able to get out of here until we’ve got some kind of ****** bill.’ Robert Caro, “Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson,” xv.
First of all, I saw the Bill Clinton list the first time you posted it. That's a case built on association - he was listed on 1992 lawsuit because he was the Governor of the state at the time, and you assume among other things that because he had cordial relationships with Faubus, Fulbright, and the United Daughters of the Confederacy that he must share their views. That is, to put it simply, not how politics works.
On to this one.
1. There were almost no Southern Republicans in the post-war years. In 1956, the Senate from the 11 former Civil War states had zero Republicans, and the House had six Republicans to 100 Democrats, most of which were arch-conservatives segregationalists.
2. Yes, 1966 is right in the middle of the shift. Winthrop Rockefeller was more Progressive than most Republicans who replaced old-school Democrats like Faubus, reflecting the beliefs of Arkansans at the time, but he was just what I'm talking about.
3. a-e. Callaway also supports my theory. He was a super-Conservative and former Democrat who switched parties and won a House seat as a "Goldwater Republican" in 1964. It so happens that the seat he vacated in order to run for Governor (oops) was one of four Conservative Republican seats that reverted to Conservative Democrats in 1966, but in other parts across the South, seven others went the other way, plus one Senate seat.
f-g. This is whiplashing us back to the 19th century. We all know that there were a lot of Klansmen among Civil War era Southern Democrats. I don't get the relevance.
4. Although I've been concentrating mostly on the formerly CSA states of the South, Agnew also first the bill of a Republican, in his case a Moderate to Conservative one, who replaced a Segregationalist Southern Democrat in Mahoney. Again, 1966 is right in the middle of the shift. You're supporting my case.
5. Ervin was not a liberal. He had more admiration among Liberals than most of his Southern Democrat colleagues for some of his civil liberties opinions, but he opposed Brown v Board, he signed the Southern Manifesto, and believed that the 14th Amendment only applied to whites. He was another Segregationalist Conservative Southern Democrat, and I don't quite understand how that quote, which does not surprise me at all, counters anything I wrote.
I'll be in and out this weekend but will be happy to respond to as much as I can.
"I'll be in and out this weekend but will be happy to respond to as much as I can."
Excellent.....you have so very much to learn.
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
- It seems that some of our friends contend that ‘conservative (racist) southern Democrats left the party and became Republicans. Not only is it provably untrue, but the fact that reliable Democrat voters, i.e., dim-wits, will accept it without questioning, is the reason the nation is in the state that it is.
- In 1948, Strom Thurmond ran as a “Dixiecrat,” not “Dixiecan.” They were segregations, and an offshoot of the Democrat Party. And they remained Democrats.
- The so-called “Dixiecrats” remained Democrats and did not migrate to the Republican Party. The Dixiecrats were a group of Southern Democrats who, in the 1948 national election, formed a third party, the State’s Rights Democratic Party with the slogan: “Segregation Forever!” Even so, they continued to be Democrats for all local and state elections, as well as for all future national elections. http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#The__Dixiecrats__Remained_Democrats
- While all Democrats weren’t segregationists, all segregationists were Democrats.
- Klan members and racists including Hugo Black, George Wallace, ‘Bull’ Connor, Orval Faubus, Lester Maddox, etc.
- And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"
a. "On June 13, 2005, in a resolution sponsored by senators Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and George Allen of Virginia, together with 78 others, the US Senate formally apologized for its failure to enact this and other anti-lynching bills "when action was most needed."[3] From 1882-1968, "...nearly 200 anti-lynching bills were introduced in Congress, and three passed the House. Seven presidents between 1890 and 1952 petitioned Congress to pass a federal law."[3] None was approved by the Senate because of the powerful opposition of the Southern Democratic voting bloc"
- But the most important segregationists were Democrats in the U.S. Senate, where civil rights bills went to die.
Senate Apologizes for Not Passing Anti-Lynching Laws
5. The most important points: all the segregationists in the Senate were Democrats, and remained same for the rest of their lives…except for one. And they were not conservative.
- Here’s a great opportunity to see the work the media does: challenge anyone to name one segregationist U.S. Senator, and the only one they’ll be able to name is Thurmond….the only one who became a Republican. Get the idea?
- The media intentionally hides the civil rights records of lifelong, liberal Democrats to make it look as if it was the Republican Party that was the party of segregation and racial discrimination.
And yep, Black was in the Klan before he quit to run for Senate, and he was a Conservative Democrat from Alabama (although not as Conservative as some; he did support the New Deal), but he too fits with the pre-shift Conservative Southern Democrat mold. Being a Supreme Court Justice (appointed in 1937, long before the Southerners drifted away), he wasn't subject to being voted out in the shift, and served until he died in 1971. He also fits right in to how things progressed.
As for Senators and Representatives who shifted from D to R, Thurmond is the only one who shifted *while in office*. Senators John Tower from Texas, Edward Gurney from Florida, Bill Brock from Tennessee, and Jesse Helms from North Carolina, and a bunch of Representatives who I'm not listing converted from Democrat to Republican before their election, and then usually replaced those who stayed with the Democratic party. Also remember that this happened slowly; between '56 and '72, about a third of the House seats once held by Conservative Southern Democrats, and a little less than half of those in the Senate, had been replaced, usually by Conservative Southern Republicans. That means even after the biggest one-time shocks to their system ('64 and '72), about two-thirds of them in the House and more than half in the Senate remained. This did not happen quickly.
I'm really not trying to criticize every word you type, but you seem to be working off only part of the story, which taken out of context and with the timeline running together, makes it seem to you like it happened differently than it really did.
Let's cut to the chase:
This is your party-
1. The Democrats are, and have always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship, the party that stood in schoolhouse doors to block black school children….until Republicans sent in the 101st airborne
2. It is the party of Jefferson Davis, the KKK, Planned Parenthood, concentration camps for American citizens, and restrictions on free speech.
3. It is the party of Mao ornaments on the White House Christmas tree, and of James Hodgkinson, and of Communist Bernie Sanders, of pretend genders.
4. The Democrat Party is the oldest racist organization in America, the trail of tears, the author of Jim Crow and the bigotry of low expectations, filibustered against women getting the vote and killed every anti-lynching bill to get to Congress
5. The Democrat Party is the number one funder of the Islamic Revolution in Tehran….to the tune of $100 billion to the Ayatollahs….and gave Hezbollah the go-ahead to sell cocaine in America.
6. It is the party of anti-Semitism and Louis Farrakhan, and of the first Cabinet member ever to be held in contempt of Congress.
7. It is the party that admits its future depends on flooding the country with illegal aliens, and telling them to vote.
8. It is the party that couldn't suck up to the Castro Brothers enough, and treats the Bill of Rights like a Chinese menu..
9. The Democrats got us into the Civil War…Jefferson Davis .... Woodrow Wilson, WWI….FDR, WWII……Truman, Korean War….VietNam, JFK and LBJ…..yet they want to weaken our military.
10. The Democrats are the party that looks at the mayhem their gun laws have produced in Chicago, ……and this is their model for the nation.
I can understand why you'd be embarrassed.
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- #205
Make sure to keep your timelines straight. As I explained, Thurmond and the Dixiecrats split off in 1948, ran on the Presidential ticket, and then re-merged back with the Democrats and were basically gone by 1952. We agree that the Southern Democrats (including Dixiecrats) at the time were pro-segregation, pro-lynch mobs, pro-Klan, and anti-Civil Rights; you'll get no argument from me there. They were, however, overwhelmingly Conservative, and it took longer than that for these Conservative Southern people to drift away from the Democratic party; remember, all of the Southern Senators and most of the Southern Representatives in 1956 were still Democrats.In the South, I assume you mean. Any black Republicans were, of course, willing to embrace the Democrats due to Civil Rights, along with any sympathetic non-blacks. Also, in the post-war years, building projects lured a lot of northern Liberals down from the north for the building projects, and they brought their Liberalism with them; the shift happened more quickly and drastically in states that were awarded a lot of federal projects for that reason.
1. There were plenty of southern integrationists. They were Republicans.
2. 1966- pro-integrationist Republican Winthrop Rockefeller won Arkansas, replacing Clinton-pal Orval Faubus.
3. 1966 Republican Bo Calloway ran against Democrat Lester Maddox, who “gained national attention for refusing to serve blacks in his popular cafeteria near the Georgia Tech campus. Newsmen tipped off about the confrontation reported how restaurant patrons and employees wielded ax handles while Mr. Maddox waved a pistol. …” Research - Articles - Journals | Research better, faster at HighBeam Research
a. Maddox was endorsed by Democrat Jimmy Carter in the above governor’s race. When the race was too close to call, the Democrat state legislature gave it to Maddox.
b. Calloway appealed to the Supreme Court….but the court upheld the legislature’s decision.
c. On that very Supreme Court was former KKK member Justice Hugo Black.
d. Democrat Hugo Black was Democrat FDR’s first appointee, in 1937. This KKK Senator from Alabama wrote the majority decision on Korematsu v. US; in 1967, he said ‘They all look alike to a person not a Jap.” Engage: Conversations in Philosophy: "They all look alike to a person not a Jap"*: The Legacy of Korematsu at OSU
e. And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"
f. Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425
g. "The night riders move through the darkness, white against the black road....they go about their business, their horsed draped, guns and bullwhips banging dully against saddles.
....this is the South Carolina of the 1870s, not of the turn of a new millennium, and the night riders are the terror of these times. They roam upcountry, visiting their version of justice on poor blacks and the Republicans that support them, refusing to bow to the requirements of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments."
From the novel "The White Road," by John Connolly
4. 1966- Republican Spiro Agnew ran against Democrat segregationists George Mahoney for governor of Maryland. Agnew enacted some of the first laws in the nation against race discrimination in public housing. “Agnew signed the state's first open-housing laws and succeeded in getting the repeal of an anti-miscegenation law.” Spiro Agnew - Wikipedia
5. 1957- Democrat Sam Ervin, another liberal luminary, instrumental in the destruction of anti-communist Republicans Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon, told his fellow segregationists, and who led the Watergate investigation, said of the 1957 civil rights bill: “We’ve got to give the goddamned ******* something. We’re not gonna be able to get out of here until we’ve got some kind of ****** bill.’ Robert Caro, “Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson,” xv.
First of all, I saw the Bill Clinton list the first time you posted it. That's a case built on association - he was listed on 1992 lawsuit because he was the Governor of the state at the time, and you assume among other things that because he had cordial relationships with Faubus, Fulbright, and the United Daughters of the Confederacy that he must share their views. That is, to put it simply, not how politics works.
On to this one.
1. There were almost no Southern Republicans in the post-war years. In 1956, the Senate from the 11 former Civil War states had zero Republicans, and the House had six Republicans to 100 Democrats, most of which were arch-conservatives segregationalists.
2. Yes, 1966 is right in the middle of the shift. Winthrop Rockefeller was more Progressive than most Republicans who replaced old-school Democrats like Faubus, reflecting the beliefs of Arkansans at the time, but he was just what I'm talking about.
3. a-e. Callaway also supports my theory. He was a super-Conservative and former Democrat who switched parties and won a House seat as a "Goldwater Republican" in 1964. It so happens that the seat he vacated in order to run for Governor (oops) was one of four Conservative Republican seats that reverted to Conservative Democrats in 1966, but in other parts across the South, seven others went the other way, plus one Senate seat.
f-g. This is whiplashing us back to the 19th century. We all know that there were a lot of Klansmen among Civil War era Southern Democrats. I don't get the relevance.
4. Although I've been concentrating mostly on the formerly CSA states of the South, Agnew also first the bill of a Republican, in his case a Moderate to Conservative one, who replaced a Segregationalist Southern Democrat in Mahoney. Again, 1966 is right in the middle of the shift. You're supporting my case.
5. Ervin was not a liberal. He had more admiration among Liberals than most of his Southern Democrat colleagues for some of his civil liberties opinions, but he opposed Brown v Board, he signed the Southern Manifesto, and believed that the 14th Amendment only applied to whites. He was another Segregationalist Conservative Southern Democrat, and I don't quite understand how that quote, which does not surprise me at all, counters anything I wrote.
I'll be in and out this weekend but will be happy to respond to as much as I can.
"I'll be in and out this weekend but will be happy to respond to as much as I can."
Excellent.....you have so very much to learn.
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
- It seems that some of our friends contend that ‘conservative (racist) southern Democrats left the party and became Republicans. Not only is it provably untrue, but the fact that reliable Democrat voters, i.e., dim-wits, will accept it without questioning, is the reason the nation is in the state that it is.
- In 1948, Strom Thurmond ran as a “Dixiecrat,” not “Dixiecan.” They were segregations, and an offshoot of the Democrat Party. And they remained Democrats.
- The so-called “Dixiecrats” remained Democrats and did not migrate to the Republican Party. The Dixiecrats were a group of Southern Democrats who, in the 1948 national election, formed a third party, the State’s Rights Democratic Party with the slogan: “Segregation Forever!” Even so, they continued to be Democrats for all local and state elections, as well as for all future national elections. http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#The__Dixiecrats__Remained_Democrats
- While all Democrats weren’t segregationists, all segregationists were Democrats.
- Klan members and racists including Hugo Black, George Wallace, ‘Bull’ Connor, Orval Faubus, Lester Maddox, etc.
- And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"
a. "On June 13, 2005, in a resolution sponsored by senators Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and George Allen of Virginia, together with 78 others, the US Senate formally apologized for its failure to enact this and other anti-lynching bills "when action was most needed."[3] From 1882-1968, "...nearly 200 anti-lynching bills were introduced in Congress, and three passed the House. Seven presidents between 1890 and 1952 petitioned Congress to pass a federal law."[3] None was approved by the Senate because of the powerful opposition of the Southern Democratic voting bloc"
- But the most important segregationists were Democrats in the U.S. Senate, where civil rights bills went to die.
Senate Apologizes for Not Passing Anti-Lynching Laws
5. The most important points: all the segregationists in the Senate were Democrats, and remained same for the rest of their lives…except for one. And they were not conservative.
- Here’s a great opportunity to see the work the media does: challenge anyone to name one segregationist U.S. Senator, and the only one they’ll be able to name is Thurmond….the only one who became a Republican. Get the idea?
- The media intentionally hides the civil rights records of lifelong, liberal Democrats to make it look as if it was the Republican Party that was the party of segregation and racial discrimination.
And yep, Black was in the Klan before he quit to run for Senate, and he was a Conservative Democrat from Alabama (although not as Conservative as some; he did support the New Deal), but he too fits with the pre-shift Conservative Southern Democrat mold. Being a Supreme Court Justice (appointed in 1937, long before the Southerners drifted away), he wasn't subject to being voted out in the shift, and served until he died in 1971. He also fits right in to how things progressed.
As for Senators and Representatives who shifted from D to R, Thurmond is the only one who shifted *while in office*. Senators John Tower from Texas, Edward Gurney from Florida, Bill Brock from Tennessee, and Jesse Helms from North Carolina, and a bunch of Representatives who I'm not listing converted from Democrat to Republican before their election, and then usually replaced those who stayed with the Democratic party. Also remember that this happened slowly; between '56 and '72, about a third of the House seats once held by Conservative Southern Democrats, and a little less than half of those in the Senate, had been replaced, usually by Conservative Southern Republicans. That means even after the biggest one-time shocks to their system ('64 and '72), about two-thirds of them in the House and more than half in the Senate remained. This did not happen quickly.
I'm really not trying to criticize every word you type, but you seem to be working off only part of the story, which taken out of context and with the timeline running together, makes it seem to you like it happened differently than it really did.
"They were, however, overwhelmingly Conservative,...."
You can run, but you can't hide.
So saith the Brown Bomber
What was the designation on the lever the bigots pulled when they voted?
It wasn't 'conservative,' was it, you liar.
The racists were Liberals, Democrats, Progressives.
They stood, as Liberals do, with communists.
- Senator Harry Byrd, staunch opponent of anti-communist McCarthy
- Senator Robert Byrd, proabortion, opposed Gulf Wars, supported ERA, high grades from NARAL and ACLU
- Senator Allen Ellender, McCarthy opponent, pacifist
- Senator Sam Ervin, McCarthy opponent, anti-Vietnam War, Nixon antagonist
- Senator Albert Gore, Sr., McCarthy opponent, anti-Vietnam War
- Senator James Eastland, strong anti-communist
- Senator Wm. Fulbright, McCarthy opponent, anti-Vietnam War, big UN supporter
- Senator Walter F. George, supported TVA, and Great Society programs
- Senator Ernest Hollings, initiated federal food stamp program, …but supported Clarence Thomas’ nomination
- Senator Russell Long, led the campaign for Great Society programs
- Senator Richard Russell, McCarthy opponent, anti-Vietnam War, supported FDR’s New Deal
- Senator John Stennis, McCarthy opponent, opposed Robert Bork’s nomination
kiwiman127
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Know why PC cherry picks history?
1, She is a narrow-minded hyper-partisan hand puppet, who possess virtually no ability to think out of the box and zero ability to think for herself.
2, Enough said.
1, She is a narrow-minded hyper-partisan hand puppet, who possess virtually no ability to think out of the box and zero ability to think for herself.
2, Enough said.
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Know why PC cherry picks history?
1, She is a narrow-minded hyper-partisan hand puppet, who possess virtually no ability to think out of the box and zero ability to think for herself.
2, Enough said.
Any errors in my posts?
No?
You're dismissed.
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Too funny! You know that pin/badge is a fake one, right? FACT CHECK: 1992 Clinton-Gore Confederate Flag Campaign ButtonsNo one hides that the KKK was made up predominantly of Southern and Border State Democrats before the mid-60s. Everyone pretty much knows that. What you seem to want to ignore (or hide) is that there was a big party switch in those states within the decade after the Civil Rights Act from Democrats to Republicans. The same states that were predominantly Democrat and KKK are now Republican. In fact, a Democrat known for successfully prosecuting the KKK member who blew up the Alabama church, killing 4 little girls BARELY beat a pedophile Republican.1. Essentially, it's because they want to hide who they are, where they came from.
This sort of thing:
Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425
2. But, to pick up on today's headlines.....
....the KKK began with gun control as a major objective.
Guess whose guns they wanted to control?
3. "America’s most horrific racist organization, the Ku Klux Klan, began with gun control at the very top of its agenda. Before the Civil War, blacks in the South had never been allowed to possess guns. During the war, however, blacks obtained guns for the first time. Some served as soldiers in black units in the Union Army, which allowed its men, black and white, to take their guns home with them as partial payment of past due wages. Other Southern blacks bought guns in the underground marketplace, which was flooded with firearms produced for the war.
After the war, Southern states adopted discriminatory laws like the Black Codes, which among other things barred the freedmen from having guns. Racist whites began to form posses that would go out at night to terrorize blacks—and take away those newly obtained firearms. The groups took different names: the “Men of Justice” in Alabama; the “Knights of the White Camellia” in Louisiana; the “Knights of the Rising Sun” in Texas. The group formed in Pulaski, Tenn., became the most well-known: the Ku Klux Klan."
Adam Winkler, “Gun Fight” Author, On Gun Control’s Racism
4. "The night riders move through the darkness, white against the black road....they go about their business, their horsed draped, guns and bullwhips banging dully against saddles.
....this is the South Carolina of the 1870s, not of the turn of a new millennium, and the night riders are the terror of these times. They roam upcountry, visiting their version of justice on poor blacks and the Republicans that support them, refusing to bow to the requirements of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments."
From the novel "The White Road," by John Connolly
5. Of course, the sons of the KKK, the members of the Party of Jefferson Davis and Bull Connor, ride again....
....and for the same objective.....gun control.
6. Who do they want to disarm today?
Democrats who own guns are more likely to vote for a Republican.
If you're a woman, and you own a gun, you are more likely to vote for a Republican.
If you're African-American, and you own a gun, are more likely to vote for a Republican.
Nothing ever changed.
Let's prove it together: Bill Clinton....for three decades, the personification of the Democrat Party.....has been a lifelong racist.
1. Not only was the Democrat Party the home of slavers, segregationists, the Jim Crow folks, and the KKK....but the folks who try to lie their way out of the stain that attaches to all Democrats by claiming that it all changed in the 1960's, and the Democrats reversed themselves....
Clinton proves otherwise.
His 40 or so years as Democrat, up to and including the fact that he is so popular to Democrats that he was given the keynote speech at Obama's 2012 convention....
...and for his entire political life he has been a racist.
2. Now, "Democrats timeline:
a. Dixiecrats lost in 1948 (65 years ago)....then went right back to being Democrats.
Dixiecrats......not 'Dixidcans.'
3. Let's take a look at the Bill Clinton timeline....
a. Governor Clinton was among three state officials the NAACP sued in 1989 under the federal Voting Rights Act of 1965. “Plaintiffs offered plenty of proof of monolithic voting along racial lines, intimidation of black voters and candidates and other official acts that made voting harder for blacks,” the Arkansas Gazette reported December 6, 1989.
b. Bill Clinton had a Confederate flag-like issue, every year he was governor: 1979-1992 Arkansas Code Annotated, Section 1-5-107, provides as follows:
Hillary Clinton's Confederacy Hypocrisy
(a) The Saturday immediately preceding Easter Sunday of each year is designated as ‘Confederate Flag Day’ in this state.
(b) No person, firm, or corporation shall display an Confederate flag or replica thereof in connection with any advertisement of any commercial enterprise, or in any manner for any purpose except to honor the Confederate States of America. [Emphasis added.]
(c) Any person, firm, or corporation violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000).
Bill Clinton took no steps during his twelve years as governor to repeal this law.
Hillary Clinton's Confederacy Hypocrisy | The Gateway Pundit
[Let's Stop Pretending the Confederate Flag Isn't a Symbol of RacismJust to refresh everyone's memories, we're talking about the official national flag that was used to represent the Confederate States of America during the Civil War. You know, that awkward time period when the South was vehemently fighting to keep slavery around as a means of economic prosperity for white plantation owners.
I've heard arguments time and again about how the Confederate flag is no longer representative of slavery, and how it's now indicative of "Southern pride and heritage." But I'm really over the whole "respect your heritage" mantra, especially when your heritage is hate.
Let's Stop Pretending the Confederate Flag Isn't a Symbol of Racism | HuffPost]
4.
4.Governor Clinton invited Orval Faubus to his inauguration and they exchanged an almost South American abrazo, embrace, http://www.booknotes.org/Watch/72551-1/Paul+Greenberg.aspx
Governor Orval Faubus, progressive New Deal Democrat, blocked the schoolhouse door to the Little Rock Central High School with the state’s National Guard rather than allow nine black students to attend.
5. Clinton’s mentor was J. William Fulbright, a vehement foe of integration who had voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Orval Eugene Faubus, attended Bill Clinton’s 1979 gubernatorial inauguration, where the two pols hugged, as Arkansas Democrat-Gazette editorial page editor Paul Greenberg recalls.)
Know who Faubus was?
Yup...he used the National Guard to prevent blacks from going to school
6. Bill Clinton wrote his first letter, dated June 21, 1994, of congratulations to the UDC [Untied Daughters of the Confederacy] celebrating their 100th anniversary. Later Clinton wrote a letter September 8, 1994 letter of congratulation to the Georgia Division of the UDC celebrating their 100th anniversary, then August 9, 1995 welcoming to Washington, D.C. for their 1995 national convention. Each letter was given a full page with Clinton’s picture in the United Daughters of the Confederacy Magazine (UDC Magazine) giving legitimacy to the UDC.
For reference, the UDC magazine includes " a Ku Klux Klan praising book, not just the Klan of Reconstruction but the Klan of the 1920s, a book which recommends the racist books of Thomas Dixon, “The Clansman” ...
Anti-Neo-Confederate: Bill Clinton Enables Neo-Confederates & Betrays Carol Moseley-Braun: UPDATED
7. "Clinton praised Arkansas’ late Democratic senator J. William Fulbright, a notorious segregationist who opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act. He also signed the Southern Manifesto, which denounced the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark Brown vs. Board of Education school desegregation decision in 1954. Clinton called Fulbright “My mentor, a visionary, a humanitarian.”Dems Need to Houseclean - Deroy Murdock - National Review Online
and....
Fulbright was a full-bore segregationist, voting against the 1957, 1960, 1964, and 1965 civil rights bills.
But...in 1993, Bill Clinton gave the Medal of Freedom award to a lifelong segregationist, Democrat Wm. J. Fulbright. And another life-long segregationist, Democrat Albert Gore, Sr. was in attendance.
Hey...didn't Bill Clinton just recently speak at the Obama Democrat National Convention?
8. … President Bill Clinton
argued that Colin Powell, promoted
to brigadier general during Mr.
Alexander’s tenure, was the product
of an affirmative action program.
http://cdn.virtuallearningcourses.com/ivtcontent/images/edw12_ch05_e.pdf
9. Bill Clinton let on to his wishes about Obama.....
'BILL CLINTON: IN PAST, OBAMA WOULD BE 'CARRYING OUR BAGS'
Bill Clinton: In Past, Obama Would Be 'Carrying Our Bags' | Breitbart
10. Bill Clinton......lifelong racist, and personification of the modern Democrat Party.
No? You didn't? How can such a smart scholar as yourself not have known that?
Oh....and check this out: List of United States presidential election results by state - Wikipedia
Lol your own link says it was not fake...
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The New Deal was really the defining characteristic of the fifth system, and there was a big coalition built around its support. Lots in the South didn't support it, but lots did because of FDR's ability to keep it together, and the obvious, money. The South was hit really hard during the Depression, so programs like welfare and Social Security, farm support, and WPA and other alphabet-soup projects appealed to their struggling economy. It was the split due to Civil Rights that more or less brought and end to the coalition, and therefore the fifth system.Really? Then how do you explain that the Democrats (especially the southern Democrats) were full bore behind FDR's "New Deal" while Republican's vehemently opposed it? There was nothing "conservative" about violating the U.S. Constitution, creating welfare, creating Social Security, and implementing socialism.We agree that the Southern Democrats (including Dixiecrats) at the time were pro-segregation, pro-lynch mobs, pro-Klan, and anti-Civil Rights; you'll get no argument from me there. They were, however, overwhelmingly Conservative
I'm sorry my friend, despite the lefts most desperate efforts to re-write history, it's not happening. The Democrat Party has not changed since 1828. They were - and they remain - the party of racism. They will tolerate any "house negro" willing to remain on the plantation and support their cause (after all, the left believes the ends justifies the means and they will shake hands with the devil himself to get it done). But just ask conservatives like Allen West what happens when they dare become conservative. They face the worst forms of racism imaginable. They are called the "N word" every hour. That never happens to African-American Democrats.
Bear in mind, I'm giving you guys the short versions of all of these. There was a lot more complexity to it, as you can probably imagine. Next, I'll explain the Crusades in two paragraphs or less!
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Yeah, I saw that list when you posted it earlier. As much as I'd love to dissect and discuss each of these in turn, I have work to do, so I can't hang around.Make sure to keep your timelines straight. As I explained, Thurmond and the Dixiecrats split off in 1948, ran on the Presidential ticket, and then re-merged back with the Democrats and were basically gone by 1952. We agree that the Southern Democrats (including Dixiecrats) at the time were pro-segregation, pro-lynch mobs, pro-Klan, and anti-Civil Rights; you'll get no argument from me there. They were, however, overwhelmingly Conservative, and it took longer than that for these Conservative Southern people to drift away from the Democratic party; remember, all of the Southern Senators and most of the Southern Representatives in 1956 were still Democrats.In the South, I assume you mean. Any black Republicans were, of course, willing to embrace the Democrats due to Civil Rights, along with any sympathetic non-blacks. Also, in the post-war years, building projects lured a lot of northern Liberals down from the north for the building projects, and they brought their Liberalism with them; the shift happened more quickly and drastically in states that were awarded a lot of federal projects for that reason.
1. There were plenty of southern integrationists. They were Republicans.
2. 1966- pro-integrationist Republican Winthrop Rockefeller won Arkansas, replacing Clinton-pal Orval Faubus.
3. 1966 Republican Bo Calloway ran against Democrat Lester Maddox, who “gained national attention for refusing to serve blacks in his popular cafeteria near the Georgia Tech campus. Newsmen tipped off about the confrontation reported how restaurant patrons and employees wielded ax handles while Mr. Maddox waved a pistol. …” Research - Articles - Journals | Research better, faster at HighBeam Research
a. Maddox was endorsed by Democrat Jimmy Carter in the above governor’s race. When the race was too close to call, the Democrat state legislature gave it to Maddox.
b. Calloway appealed to the Supreme Court….but the court upheld the legislature’s decision.
c. On that very Supreme Court was former KKK member Justice Hugo Black.
d. Democrat Hugo Black was Democrat FDR’s first appointee, in 1937. This KKK Senator from Alabama wrote the majority decision on Korematsu v. US; in 1967, he said ‘They all look alike to a person not a Jap.” Engage: Conversations in Philosophy: "They all look alike to a person not a Jap"*: The Legacy of Korematsu at OSU
e. And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"
f. Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425
g. "The night riders move through the darkness, white against the black road....they go about their business, their horsed draped, guns and bullwhips banging dully against saddles.
....this is the South Carolina of the 1870s, not of the turn of a new millennium, and the night riders are the terror of these times. They roam upcountry, visiting their version of justice on poor blacks and the Republicans that support them, refusing to bow to the requirements of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments."
From the novel "The White Road," by John Connolly
4. 1966- Republican Spiro Agnew ran against Democrat segregationists George Mahoney for governor of Maryland. Agnew enacted some of the first laws in the nation against race discrimination in public housing. “Agnew signed the state's first open-housing laws and succeeded in getting the repeal of an anti-miscegenation law.” Spiro Agnew - Wikipedia
5. 1957- Democrat Sam Ervin, another liberal luminary, instrumental in the destruction of anti-communist Republicans Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon, told his fellow segregationists, and who led the Watergate investigation, said of the 1957 civil rights bill: “We’ve got to give the goddamned ******* something. We’re not gonna be able to get out of here until we’ve got some kind of ****** bill.’ Robert Caro, “Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson,” xv.
First of all, I saw the Bill Clinton list the first time you posted it. That's a case built on association - he was listed on 1992 lawsuit because he was the Governor of the state at the time, and you assume among other things that because he had cordial relationships with Faubus, Fulbright, and the United Daughters of the Confederacy that he must share their views. That is, to put it simply, not how politics works.
On to this one.
1. There were almost no Southern Republicans in the post-war years. In 1956, the Senate from the 11 former Civil War states had zero Republicans, and the House had six Republicans to 100 Democrats, most of which were arch-conservatives segregationalists.
2. Yes, 1966 is right in the middle of the shift. Winthrop Rockefeller was more Progressive than most Republicans who replaced old-school Democrats like Faubus, reflecting the beliefs of Arkansans at the time, but he was just what I'm talking about.
3. a-e. Callaway also supports my theory. He was a super-Conservative and former Democrat who switched parties and won a House seat as a "Goldwater Republican" in 1964. It so happens that the seat he vacated in order to run for Governor (oops) was one of four Conservative Republican seats that reverted to Conservative Democrats in 1966, but in other parts across the South, seven others went the other way, plus one Senate seat.
f-g. This is whiplashing us back to the 19th century. We all know that there were a lot of Klansmen among Civil War era Southern Democrats. I don't get the relevance.
4. Although I've been concentrating mostly on the formerly CSA states of the South, Agnew also first the bill of a Republican, in his case a Moderate to Conservative one, who replaced a Segregationalist Southern Democrat in Mahoney. Again, 1966 is right in the middle of the shift. You're supporting my case.
5. Ervin was not a liberal. He had more admiration among Liberals than most of his Southern Democrat colleagues for some of his civil liberties opinions, but he opposed Brown v Board, he signed the Southern Manifesto, and believed that the 14th Amendment only applied to whites. He was another Segregationalist Conservative Southern Democrat, and I don't quite understand how that quote, which does not surprise me at all, counters anything I wrote.
I'll be in and out this weekend but will be happy to respond to as much as I can.
"I'll be in and out this weekend but will be happy to respond to as much as I can."
Excellent.....you have so very much to learn.
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
- It seems that some of our friends contend that ‘conservative (racist) southern Democrats left the party and became Republicans. Not only is it provably untrue, but the fact that reliable Democrat voters, i.e., dim-wits, will accept it without questioning, is the reason the nation is in the state that it is.
- In 1948, Strom Thurmond ran as a “Dixiecrat,” not “Dixiecan.” They were segregations, and an offshoot of the Democrat Party. And they remained Democrats.
- The so-called “Dixiecrats” remained Democrats and did not migrate to the Republican Party. The Dixiecrats were a group of Southern Democrats who, in the 1948 national election, formed a third party, the State’s Rights Democratic Party with the slogan: “Segregation Forever!” Even so, they continued to be Democrats for all local and state elections, as well as for all future national elections. http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#The__Dixiecrats__Remained_Democrats
- While all Democrats weren’t segregationists, all segregationists were Democrats.
- Klan members and racists including Hugo Black, George Wallace, ‘Bull’ Connor, Orval Faubus, Lester Maddox, etc.
- And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"
a. "On June 13, 2005, in a resolution sponsored by senators Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and George Allen of Virginia, together with 78 others, the US Senate formally apologized for its failure to enact this and other anti-lynching bills "when action was most needed."[3] From 1882-1968, "...nearly 200 anti-lynching bills were introduced in Congress, and three passed the House. Seven presidents between 1890 and 1952 petitioned Congress to pass a federal law."[3] None was approved by the Senate because of the powerful opposition of the Southern Democratic voting bloc"
- But the most important segregationists were Democrats in the U.S. Senate, where civil rights bills went to die.
Senate Apologizes for Not Passing Anti-Lynching Laws
5. The most important points: all the segregationists in the Senate were Democrats, and remained same for the rest of their lives…except for one. And they were not conservative.
- Here’s a great opportunity to see the work the media does: challenge anyone to name one segregationist U.S. Senator, and the only one they’ll be able to name is Thurmond….the only one who became a Republican. Get the idea?
- The media intentionally hides the civil rights records of lifelong, liberal Democrats to make it look as if it was the Republican Party that was the party of segregation and racial discrimination.
And yep, Black was in the Klan before he quit to run for Senate, and he was a Conservative Democrat from Alabama (although not as Conservative as some; he did support the New Deal), but he too fits with the pre-shift Conservative Southern Democrat mold. Being a Supreme Court Justice (appointed in 1937, long before the Southerners drifted away), he wasn't subject to being voted out in the shift, and served until he died in 1971. He also fits right in to how things progressed.
As for Senators and Representatives who shifted from D to R, Thurmond is the only one who shifted *while in office*. Senators John Tower from Texas, Edward Gurney from Florida, Bill Brock from Tennessee, and Jesse Helms from North Carolina, and a bunch of Representatives who I'm not listing converted from Democrat to Republican before their election, and then usually replaced those who stayed with the Democratic party. Also remember that this happened slowly; between '56 and '72, about a third of the House seats once held by Conservative Southern Democrats, and a little less than half of those in the Senate, had been replaced, usually by Conservative Southern Republicans. That means even after the biggest one-time shocks to their system ('64 and '72), about two-thirds of them in the House and more than half in the Senate remained. This did not happen quickly.
I'm really not trying to criticize every word you type, but you seem to be working off only part of the story, which taken out of context and with the timeline running together, makes it seem to you like it happened differently than it really did.
Let's cut to the chase:
This is your party-
1. The Democrats are, and have always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship, the party that stood in schoolhouse doors to block black school children….until Republicans sent in the 101st airborne
2. It is the party of Jefferson Davis, the KKK, Planned Parenthood, concentration camps for American citizens, and restrictions on free speech.
3. It is the party of Mao ornaments on the White House Christmas tree, and of James Hodgkinson, and of Communist Bernie Sanders, of pretend genders.
4. The Democrat Party is the oldest racist organization in America, the trail of tears, the author of Jim Crow and the bigotry of low expectations, filibustered against women getting the vote and killed every anti-lynching bill to get to Congress
5. The Democrat Party is the number one funder of the Islamic Revolution in Tehran….to the tune of $100 billion to the Ayatollahs….and gave Hezbollah the go-ahead to sell cocaine in America.
6. It is the party of anti-Semitism and Louis Farrakhan, and of the first Cabinet member ever to be held in contempt of Congress.
7. It is the party that admits its future depends on flooding the country with illegal aliens, and telling them to vote.
8. It is the party that couldn't suck up to the Castro Brothers enough, and treats the Bill of Rights like a Chinese menu..
9. The Democrats got us into the Civil War…Jefferson Davis .... Woodrow Wilson, WWI….FDR, WWII……Truman, Korean War….VietNam, JFK and LBJ…..yet they want to weaken our military.
10. The Democrats are the party that looks at the mayhem their gun laws have produced in Chicago, ……and this is their model for the nation.
I can understand why you'd be embarrassed.
Have a good weekend.
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The KKK has never had anything to do with liberalism, in fact, it is an antithesis to what liberalism is...1. Essentially, it's because they want to hide who they are, where they came from.
This sort of thing:
Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425
2. But, to pick up on today's headlines.....
....the KKK began with gun control as a major objective.
Guess whose guns they wanted to control?
3. "America’s most horrific racist organization, the Ku Klux Klan, began with gun control at the very top of its agenda. Before the Civil War, blacks in the South had never been allowed to possess guns. During the war, however, blacks obtained guns for the first time. Some served as soldiers in black units in the Union Army, which allowed its men, black and white, to take their guns home with them as partial payment of past due wages. Other Southern blacks bought guns in the underground marketplace, which was flooded with firearms produced for the war.
After the war, Southern states adopted discriminatory laws like the Black Codes, which among other things barred the freedmen from having guns. Racist whites began to form posses that would go out at night to terrorize blacks—and take away those newly obtained firearms. The groups took different names: the “Men of Justice” in Alabama; the “Knights of the White Camellia” in Louisiana; the “Knights of the Rising Sun” in Texas. The group formed in Pulaski, Tenn., became the most well-known: the Ku Klux Klan."
Adam Winkler, “Gun Fight” Author, On Gun Control’s Racism
4. "The night riders move through the darkness, white against the black road....they go about their business, their horsed draped, guns and bullwhips banging dully against saddles.
....this is the South Carolina of the 1870s, not of the turn of a new millennium, and the night riders are the terror of these times. They roam upcountry, visiting their version of justice on poor blacks and the Republicans that support them, refusing to bow to the requirements of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments."
From the novel "The White Road," by John Connolly
5. Of course, the sons of the KKK, the members of the Party of Jefferson Davis and Bull Connor, ride again....
....and for the same objective.....gun control.
6. Who do they want to disarm today?
Democrats who own guns are more likely to vote for a Republican.
If you're a woman, and you own a gun, you are more likely to vote for a Republican.
If you're African-American, and you own a gun, are more likely to vote for a Republican.
Moonglow
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The Union Army relied on the labor of newly freed people, and did not always treat them fairly. Thomas W. Knox wrote: "The difference between working for nothing as a slave, and working for the same wages under the Yankees, was not always perceptible."[23] At the same time, military officials resisted local attempts to apply pre-war laws to the freed people.[24] After the Emancipation Proclamation, the Army conscripted Black "vagrants" and sometimes others.[25]1. Essentially, it's because they want to hide who they are, where they came from.
This sort of thing:
Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425
2. But, to pick up on today's headlines.....
....the KKK began with gun control as a major objective.
Guess whose guns they wanted to control?
3. "America’s most horrific racist organization, the Ku Klux Klan, began with gun control at the very top of its agenda. Before the Civil War, blacks in the South had never been allowed to possess guns. During the war, however, blacks obtained guns for the first time. Some served as soldiers in black units in the Union Army, which allowed its men, black and white, to take their guns home with them as partial payment of past due wages. Other Southern blacks bought guns in the underground marketplace, which was flooded with firearms produced for the war.
After the war, Southern states adopted discriminatory laws like the Black Codes, which among other things barred the freedmen from having guns. Racist whites began to form posses that would go out at night to terrorize blacks—and take away those newly obtained firearms. The groups took different names: the “Men of Justice” in Alabama; the “Knights of the White Camellia” in Louisiana; the “Knights of the Rising Sun” in Texas. The group formed in Pulaski, Tenn., became the most well-known: the Ku Klux Klan."
Adam Winkler, “Gun Fight” Author, On Gun Control’s Racism
4. "The night riders move through the darkness, white against the black road....they go about their business, their horsed draped, guns and bullwhips banging dully against saddles.
....this is the South Carolina of the 1870s, not of the turn of a new millennium, and the night riders are the terror of these times. They roam upcountry, visiting their version of justice on poor blacks and the Republicans that support them, refusing to bow to the requirements of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments."
From the novel "The White Road," by John Connolly
5. Of course, the sons of the KKK, the members of the Party of Jefferson Davis and Bull Connor, ride again....
....and for the same objective.....gun control.
6. Who do they want to disarm today?
Democrats who own guns are more likely to vote for a Republican.
If you're a woman, and you own a gun, you are more likely to vote for a Republican.
If you're African-American, and you own a gun, are more likely to vote for a Republican.
no one hides history....
no one wants to disarm you.
unless of course, you're mentally ill, committed a felony, are a domestic abuser.
you any of those things, cut and paste queen?
I'm bettin' that you didn't know this:
"America’s most horrific racist organization, the Ku Klux Klan, began with gun control at the very top of its agenda. Before the Civil War, blacks in the South had never been allowed to possess guns. During the war, however, blacks obtained guns for the first time. Some served as soldiers in black units in the Union Army, which allowed its men, black and white, to take their guns home with them as partial payment of past due wages. Other Southern blacks bought guns in the underground marketplace, which was flooded with firearms produced for the war.
After the war, Southern states adopted discriminatory laws like the Black Codes, which among other things barred the freedmen from having guns. Racist whites began to form posses that would go out at night to terrorize blacks—and take away those newly obtained firearms. The groups took different names: the “Men of Justice” in Alabama; the “Knights of the White Camellia” in Louisiana; the “Knights of the Rising Sun” in Texas. The group formed in Pulaski, Tenn., became the most well-known: the Ku Klux Klan."
Adam Winkler, “Gun Fight” Author, On Gun Control’s Racism
Your Democrat forebears......as much racist and anti-American as they are today.
And you never learned any of this.
I can say that without fear of contradiction, because, time and time again, you've proven not to know anything.
True?
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As the war ended, the US Army implemented Black Codes to regulate the behavior of black people in general society. Although the Freedmen's Bureau had a mandate to protect blacks from a hostile Southern environment, it also sought to keep blacks in their place as laborers in order to allow production on the plantations to resume so that the South could revive its economy.[31] The Freedmen's Bureau cooperated with Southern authorities in rounding up black "vagrants" and placing them in contract work.[32][33][34] In some places, it supported owners to maintain control of young slaves as apprentices.[35]
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After creating the Civil Rights Section in 1939, the federal Department of Justice launched a wave of successful Thirteenth Amendment prosecutions against involuntary servitude in the South.
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Black Codes (United States) - Wikipedia
Moonglow
Diamond Member
More lies from the king of misinformation....Really? Then how do you explain that the Democrats (especially the southern Democrats) were full bore behind FDR's "New Deal" while Republican's vehemently opposed it? There was nothing "conservative" about violating the U.S. Constitution, creating welfare, creating Social Security, and implementing socialism.We agree that the Southern Democrats (including Dixiecrats) at the time were pro-segregation, pro-lynch mobs, pro-Klan, and anti-Civil Rights; you'll get no argument from me there. They were, however, overwhelmingly Conservative
I'm sorry my friend, despite the lefts most desperate efforts to re-write history, it's not happening. The Democrat Party has not changed since 1828. They were - and they remain - the party of racism. They will tolerate any "house negro" willing to remain on the plantation and support their cause (after all, the left believes the ends justifies the means and they will shake hands with the devil himself to get it done). But just ask conservatives like Allen West what happens when they dare become conservative. They face the worst forms of racism imaginable. They are called the "N word" every hour. That never happens to African-American Democrats.
1. After creating the Civil Rights Section in 1939, the federal Department of Justice launched a wave of successful Thirteenth Amendment prosecutions against involuntary servitude in the South.
2. In June 1941, Roosevelt issued Executive Order 8802, which created the Fair Employment Practice Committee (FEPC). It was the most important federal move in support of the rights of African-Americans between Reconstruction and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The President's order stated that the federal government would not hire any person based on their race, color, creed, or national origin[citation needed]. The FEPC enforced the order to ban discriminatory hiring within the federal government and in corporations that received federal contracts. Millions of blacks and women achieved better jobs and better pay as a result.
3. The Army and Navy had been segregated since the Civil War. But by 1940, the African-American vote had largely shifted from Republican to Democrat, and African-American leaders like Walter Francis White of the NAACP and T. Arnold Hill of the Urban League had become recognized as part of the Roosevelt coalition. In June 1941, at the urging of A. Philip Randolph, the leading African-American trade unionist, Roosevelt signed an executive order establishing the Fair Employment Practice Committee and prohibiting discrimination by any government agency, including the armed forces. In practice the services, particularly the Navy and the Marines, found ways to evade this order — the Marine Corps remained all-white until 1942.[1] In September 1942, at Eleanor's instigation, Roosevelt met with a delegation of African-American leaders, who demanded full integration into the forces, including the right to serve in combat roles and in the Navy, the Marine Corps and the United States Army Air Forces. Roosevelt agreed, but then did nothing to implement his promise. It was left to his successor, Harry S. Truman, to fully desegregate the armed forces.
P@triot
Diamond Member
Yeah....no. Your entire narrative has fallen apart. The Democrats in 1828 were the same fiercely racist Democrats of the 1860's Civil War, were the same Democrats of FDR's New Deal in the 1930's, were the same racist Democrats of the 1960's opposing the Civil Rights movement, are the same Democrats of today.The New Deal was really the defining characteristic of the fifth system, and there was a big coalition built around its support. Lots in the South didn't support it, but lots did because of FDR's ability to keep it together, and the obvious, money. The South was hit really hard during the Depression, so programs like welfare and Social Security, farm support, and WPA and other alphabet-soup projects appealed to their struggling economy. It was the split due to Civil Rights that more or less brought and end to the coalition, and therefore the fifth system.Really? Then how do you explain that the Democrats (especially the southern Democrats) were full bore behind FDR's "New Deal" while Republican's vehemently opposed it? There was nothing "conservative" about violating the U.S. Constitution, creating welfare, creating Social Security, and implementing socialism.We agree that the Southern Democrats (including Dixiecrats) at the time were pro-segregation, pro-lynch mobs, pro-Klan, and anti-Civil Rights; you'll get no argument from me there. They were, however, overwhelmingly Conservative
I'm sorry my friend, despite the lefts most desperate efforts to re-write history, it's not happening. The Democrat Party has not changed since 1828. They were - and they remain - the party of racism. They will tolerate any "house negro" willing to remain on the plantation and support their cause (after all, the left believes the ends justifies the means and they will shake hands with the devil himself to get it done). But just ask conservatives like Allen West what happens when they dare become conservative. They face the worst forms of racism imaginable. They are called the "N word" every hour. That never happens to African-American Democrats.
Bear in mind, I'm giving you guys the short versions of all of these. There was a lot more complexity to it, as you can probably imagine. Next, I'll explain the Crusades in two paragraphs or less!
Nobody agreed to "switch" sides.
P@triot
Diamond Member
One has to ask themselves - if the left is so ashamed of the history of the Democrat Party, why are the Democrats?!? If I were ashamed of the Republican Party (and I am) I wouldn't be a Republican (and I'm not).
Moonglow
Diamond Member
No, they are not but small minds equal small thoughts.Yeah....no. Your entire narrative has fallen apart. The Democrats in 1828 were the same fiercely racist Democrats of the 1860's Civil War, were the same Democrats of FDR's New Deal in the 1930's, were the same racist Democrats of the 1960's opposing the Civil Rights movement, are the same Democrats of today.The New Deal was really the defining characteristic of the fifth system, and there was a big coalition built around its support. Lots in the South didn't support it, but lots did because of FDR's ability to keep it together, and the obvious, money. The South was hit really hard during the Depression, so programs like welfare and Social Security, farm support, and WPA and other alphabet-soup projects appealed to their struggling economy. It was the split due to Civil Rights that more or less brought and end to the coalition, and therefore the fifth system.Really? Then how do you explain that the Democrats (especially the southern Democrats) were full bore behind FDR's "New Deal" while Republican's vehemently opposed it? There was nothing "conservative" about violating the U.S. Constitution, creating welfare, creating Social Security, and implementing socialism.We agree that the Southern Democrats (including Dixiecrats) at the time were pro-segregation, pro-lynch mobs, pro-Klan, and anti-Civil Rights; you'll get no argument from me there. They were, however, overwhelmingly Conservative
I'm sorry my friend, despite the lefts most desperate efforts to re-write history, it's not happening. The Democrat Party has not changed since 1828. They were - and they remain - the party of racism. They will tolerate any "house negro" willing to remain on the plantation and support their cause (after all, the left believes the ends justifies the means and they will shake hands with the devil himself to get it done). But just ask conservatives like Allen West what happens when they dare become conservative. They face the worst forms of racism imaginable. They are called the "N word" every hour. That never happens to African-American Democrats.
Bear in mind, I'm giving you guys the short versions of all of these. There was a lot more complexity to it, as you can probably imagine. Next, I'll explain the Crusades in two paragraphs or less!
Nobody agreed to "switch" sides.
The Republicans are not the same Progressive party they were during and after Lincoln, and they still treated the blacks with second-class status up to this day.
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Yeah, I saw that list when you posted it earlier. As much as I'd love to dissect and discuss each of these in turn, I have work to do, so I can't hang around.Make sure to keep your timelines straight. As I explained, Thurmond and the Dixiecrats split off in 1948, ran on the Presidential ticket, and then re-merged back with the Democrats and were basically gone by 1952. We agree that the Southern Democrats (including Dixiecrats) at the time were pro-segregation, pro-lynch mobs, pro-Klan, and anti-Civil Rights; you'll get no argument from me there. They were, however, overwhelmingly Conservative, and it took longer than that for these Conservative Southern people to drift away from the Democratic party; remember, all of the Southern Senators and most of the Southern Representatives in 1956 were still Democrats.1. There were plenty of southern integrationists. They were Republicans.
2. 1966- pro-integrationist Republican Winthrop Rockefeller won Arkansas, replacing Clinton-pal Orval Faubus.
3. 1966 Republican Bo Calloway ran against Democrat Lester Maddox, who “gained national attention for refusing to serve blacks in his popular cafeteria near the Georgia Tech campus. Newsmen tipped off about the confrontation reported how restaurant patrons and employees wielded ax handles while Mr. Maddox waved a pistol. …” Research - Articles - Journals | Research better, faster at HighBeam Research
a. Maddox was endorsed by Democrat Jimmy Carter in the above governor’s race. When the race was too close to call, the Democrat state legislature gave it to Maddox.
b. Calloway appealed to the Supreme Court….but the court upheld the legislature’s decision.
c. On that very Supreme Court was former KKK member Justice Hugo Black.
d. Democrat Hugo Black was Democrat FDR’s first appointee, in 1937. This KKK Senator from Alabama wrote the majority decision on Korematsu v. US; in 1967, he said ‘They all look alike to a person not a Jap.” Engage: Conversations in Philosophy: "They all look alike to a person not a Jap"*: The Legacy of Korematsu at OSU
e. And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"
f. Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425
g. "The night riders move through the darkness, white against the black road....they go about their business, their horsed draped, guns and bullwhips banging dully against saddles.
....this is the South Carolina of the 1870s, not of the turn of a new millennium, and the night riders are the terror of these times. They roam upcountry, visiting their version of justice on poor blacks and the Republicans that support them, refusing to bow to the requirements of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments."
From the novel "The White Road," by John Connolly
4. 1966- Republican Spiro Agnew ran against Democrat segregationists George Mahoney for governor of Maryland. Agnew enacted some of the first laws in the nation against race discrimination in public housing. “Agnew signed the state's first open-housing laws and succeeded in getting the repeal of an anti-miscegenation law.” Spiro Agnew - Wikipedia
5. 1957- Democrat Sam Ervin, another liberal luminary, instrumental in the destruction of anti-communist Republicans Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon, told his fellow segregationists, and who led the Watergate investigation, said of the 1957 civil rights bill: “We’ve got to give the goddamned ******* something. We’re not gonna be able to get out of here until we’ve got some kind of ****** bill.’ Robert Caro, “Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson,” xv.
First of all, I saw the Bill Clinton list the first time you posted it. That's a case built on association - he was listed on 1992 lawsuit because he was the Governor of the state at the time, and you assume among other things that because he had cordial relationships with Faubus, Fulbright, and the United Daughters of the Confederacy that he must share their views. That is, to put it simply, not how politics works.
On to this one.
1. There were almost no Southern Republicans in the post-war years. In 1956, the Senate from the 11 former Civil War states had zero Republicans, and the House had six Republicans to 100 Democrats, most of which were arch-conservatives segregationalists.
2. Yes, 1966 is right in the middle of the shift. Winthrop Rockefeller was more Progressive than most Republicans who replaced old-school Democrats like Faubus, reflecting the beliefs of Arkansans at the time, but he was just what I'm talking about.
3. a-e. Callaway also supports my theory. He was a super-Conservative and former Democrat who switched parties and won a House seat as a "Goldwater Republican" in 1964. It so happens that the seat he vacated in order to run for Governor (oops) was one of four Conservative Republican seats that reverted to Conservative Democrats in 1966, but in other parts across the South, seven others went the other way, plus one Senate seat.
f-g. This is whiplashing us back to the 19th century. We all know that there were a lot of Klansmen among Civil War era Southern Democrats. I don't get the relevance.
4. Although I've been concentrating mostly on the formerly CSA states of the South, Agnew also first the bill of a Republican, in his case a Moderate to Conservative one, who replaced a Segregationalist Southern Democrat in Mahoney. Again, 1966 is right in the middle of the shift. You're supporting my case.
5. Ervin was not a liberal. He had more admiration among Liberals than most of his Southern Democrat colleagues for some of his civil liberties opinions, but he opposed Brown v Board, he signed the Southern Manifesto, and believed that the 14th Amendment only applied to whites. He was another Segregationalist Conservative Southern Democrat, and I don't quite understand how that quote, which does not surprise me at all, counters anything I wrote.
I'll be in and out this weekend but will be happy to respond to as much as I can.
"I'll be in and out this weekend but will be happy to respond to as much as I can."
Excellent.....you have so very much to learn.
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
- It seems that some of our friends contend that ‘conservative (racist) southern Democrats left the party and became Republicans. Not only is it provably untrue, but the fact that reliable Democrat voters, i.e., dim-wits, will accept it without questioning, is the reason the nation is in the state that it is.
- In 1948, Strom Thurmond ran as a “Dixiecrat,” not “Dixiecan.” They were segregations, and an offshoot of the Democrat Party. And they remained Democrats.
- The so-called “Dixiecrats” remained Democrats and did not migrate to the Republican Party. The Dixiecrats were a group of Southern Democrats who, in the 1948 national election, formed a third party, the State’s Rights Democratic Party with the slogan: “Segregation Forever!” Even so, they continued to be Democrats for all local and state elections, as well as for all future national elections. http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#The__Dixiecrats__Remained_Democrats
- While all Democrats weren’t segregationists, all segregationists were Democrats.
- Klan members and racists including Hugo Black, George Wallace, ‘Bull’ Connor, Orval Faubus, Lester Maddox, etc.
- And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"
a. "On June 13, 2005, in a resolution sponsored by senators Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and George Allen of Virginia, together with 78 others, the US Senate formally apologized for its failure to enact this and other anti-lynching bills "when action was most needed."[3] From 1882-1968, "...nearly 200 anti-lynching bills were introduced in Congress, and three passed the House. Seven presidents between 1890 and 1952 petitioned Congress to pass a federal law."[3] None was approved by the Senate because of the powerful opposition of the Southern Democratic voting bloc"
- But the most important segregationists were Democrats in the U.S. Senate, where civil rights bills went to die.
Senate Apologizes for Not Passing Anti-Lynching Laws
5. The most important points: all the segregationists in the Senate were Democrats, and remained same for the rest of their lives…except for one. And they were not conservative.
- Here’s a great opportunity to see the work the media does: challenge anyone to name one segregationist U.S. Senator, and the only one they’ll be able to name is Thurmond….the only one who became a Republican. Get the idea?
- The media intentionally hides the civil rights records of lifelong, liberal Democrats to make it look as if it was the Republican Party that was the party of segregation and racial discrimination.
And yep, Black was in the Klan before he quit to run for Senate, and he was a Conservative Democrat from Alabama (although not as Conservative as some; he did support the New Deal), but he too fits with the pre-shift Conservative Southern Democrat mold. Being a Supreme Court Justice (appointed in 1937, long before the Southerners drifted away), he wasn't subject to being voted out in the shift, and served until he died in 1971. He also fits right in to how things progressed.
As for Senators and Representatives who shifted from D to R, Thurmond is the only one who shifted *while in office*. Senators John Tower from Texas, Edward Gurney from Florida, Bill Brock from Tennessee, and Jesse Helms from North Carolina, and a bunch of Representatives who I'm not listing converted from Democrat to Republican before their election, and then usually replaced those who stayed with the Democratic party. Also remember that this happened slowly; between '56 and '72, about a third of the House seats once held by Conservative Southern Democrats, and a little less than half of those in the Senate, had been replaced, usually by Conservative Southern Republicans. That means even after the biggest one-time shocks to their system ('64 and '72), about two-thirds of them in the House and more than half in the Senate remained. This did not happen quickly.
I'm really not trying to criticize every word you type, but you seem to be working off only part of the story, which taken out of context and with the timeline running together, makes it seem to you like it happened differently than it really did.
Let's cut to the chase:
This is your party-
1. The Democrats are, and have always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship, the party that stood in schoolhouse doors to block black school children….until Republicans sent in the 101st airborne
2. It is the party of Jefferson Davis, the KKK, Planned Parenthood, concentration camps for American citizens, and restrictions on free speech.
3. It is the party of Mao ornaments on the White House Christmas tree, and of James Hodgkinson, and of Communist Bernie Sanders, of pretend genders.
4. The Democrat Party is the oldest racist organization in America, the trail of tears, the author of Jim Crow and the bigotry of low expectations, filibustered against women getting the vote and killed every anti-lynching bill to get to Congress
5. The Democrat Party is the number one funder of the Islamic Revolution in Tehran….to the tune of $100 billion to the Ayatollahs….and gave Hezbollah the go-ahead to sell cocaine in America.
6. It is the party of anti-Semitism and Louis Farrakhan, and of the first Cabinet member ever to be held in contempt of Congress.
7. It is the party that admits its future depends on flooding the country with illegal aliens, and telling them to vote.
8. It is the party that couldn't suck up to the Castro Brothers enough, and treats the Bill of Rights like a Chinese menu..
9. The Democrats got us into the Civil War…Jefferson Davis .... Woodrow Wilson, WWI….FDR, WWII……Truman, Korean War….VietNam, JFK and LBJ…..yet they want to weaken our military.
10. The Democrats are the party that looks at the mayhem their gun laws have produced in Chicago, ……and this is their model for the nation.
I can understand why you'd be embarrassed.
Have a good weekend.
Translation:
Every item in my post is 100% accurate, correct, and true.
As is this:
1. Democrat Barack Obama, the #1 funder of radical Islamic fundamentalism and of the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism, in the history of the world.
2. Under Democrat Hussein Obama, the United States was the lead benefactor of Islamic terrorism
3. The big question about Democrat Hussein Obama was always was he Sunni or Shia…and with the Iran deal, we got answer.
4. Democrat Barack Obama was ushering in the age of the ‘Iranian Nuclear Bomb’ and fueling Iran’s war machine.
5. …..you Democrats have been grumpy since we pried the slaves away from the Democrat Party….
6. Democrat Barack Obama, in addition to slowing the rise of the oceans, also made the world a safer place to be by funding the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism while not restricting their ballistic missile program and, at the same time, supporting Hezbollah.
....oh, and giving Hezbollah the OK to sell $ billion in cocaine to American kids.
Moonglow
Diamond Member
Who’s kid bought the cocaine?Yeah, I saw that list when you posted it earlier. As much as I'd love to dissect and discuss each of these in turn, I have work to do, so I can't hang around.Make sure to keep your timelines straight. As I explained, Thurmond and the Dixiecrats split off in 1948, ran on the Presidential ticket, and then re-merged back with the Democrats and were basically gone by 1952. We agree that the Southern Democrats (including Dixiecrats) at the time were pro-segregation, pro-lynch mobs, pro-Klan, and anti-Civil Rights; you'll get no argument from me there. They were, however, overwhelmingly Conservative, and it took longer than that for these Conservative Southern people to drift away from the Democratic party; remember, all of the Southern Senators and most of the Southern Representatives in 1956 were still Democrats.First of all, I saw the Bill Clinton list the first time you posted it. That's a case built on association - he was listed on 1992 lawsuit because he was the Governor of the state at the time, and you assume among other things that because he had cordial relationships with Faubus, Fulbright, and the United Daughters of the Confederacy that he must share their views. That is, to put it simply, not how politics works.
On to this one.
1. There were almost no Southern Republicans in the post-war years. In 1956, the Senate from the 11 former Civil War states had zero Republicans, and the House had six Republicans to 100 Democrats, most of which were arch-conservatives segregationalists.
2. Yes, 1966 is right in the middle of the shift. Winthrop Rockefeller was more Progressive than most Republicans who replaced old-school Democrats like Faubus, reflecting the beliefs of Arkansans at the time, but he was just what I'm talking about.
3. a-e. Callaway also supports my theory. He was a super-Conservative and former Democrat who switched parties and won a House seat as a "Goldwater Republican" in 1964. It so happens that the seat he vacated in order to run for Governor (oops) was one of four Conservative Republican seats that reverted to Conservative Democrats in 1966, but in other parts across the South, seven others went the other way, plus one Senate seat.
f-g. This is whiplashing us back to the 19th century. We all know that there were a lot of Klansmen among Civil War era Southern Democrats. I don't get the relevance.
4. Although I've been concentrating mostly on the formerly CSA states of the South, Agnew also first the bill of a Republican, in his case a Moderate to Conservative one, who replaced a Segregationalist Southern Democrat in Mahoney. Again, 1966 is right in the middle of the shift. You're supporting my case.
5. Ervin was not a liberal. He had more admiration among Liberals than most of his Southern Democrat colleagues for some of his civil liberties opinions, but he opposed Brown v Board, he signed the Southern Manifesto, and believed that the 14th Amendment only applied to whites. He was another Segregationalist Conservative Southern Democrat, and I don't quite understand how that quote, which does not surprise me at all, counters anything I wrote.
I'll be in and out this weekend but will be happy to respond to as much as I can.
"I'll be in and out this weekend but will be happy to respond to as much as I can."
Excellent.....you have so very much to learn.
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
- It seems that some of our friends contend that ‘conservative (racist) southern Democrats left the party and became Republicans. Not only is it provably untrue, but the fact that reliable Democrat voters, i.e., dim-wits, will accept it without questioning, is the reason the nation is in the state that it is.
- In 1948, Strom Thurmond ran as a “Dixiecrat,” not “Dixiecan.” They were segregations, and an offshoot of the Democrat Party. And they remained Democrats.
- The so-called “Dixiecrats” remained Democrats and did not migrate to the Republican Party. The Dixiecrats were a group of Southern Democrats who, in the 1948 national election, formed a third party, the State’s Rights Democratic Party with the slogan: “Segregation Forever!” Even so, they continued to be Democrats for all local and state elections, as well as for all future national elections. http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#The__Dixiecrats__Remained_Democrats
- While all Democrats weren’t segregationists, all segregationists were Democrats.
- Klan members and racists including Hugo Black, George Wallace, ‘Bull’ Connor, Orval Faubus, Lester Maddox, etc.
- And, Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
Egnorance: Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"
a. "On June 13, 2005, in a resolution sponsored by senators Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and George Allen of Virginia, together with 78 others, the US Senate formally apologized for its failure to enact this and other anti-lynching bills "when action was most needed."[3] From 1882-1968, "...nearly 200 anti-lynching bills were introduced in Congress, and three passed the House. Seven presidents between 1890 and 1952 petitioned Congress to pass a federal law."[3] None was approved by the Senate because of the powerful opposition of the Southern Democratic voting bloc"
- But the most important segregationists were Democrats in the U.S. Senate, where civil rights bills went to die.
Senate Apologizes for Not Passing Anti-Lynching Laws
5. The most important points: all the segregationists in the Senate were Democrats, and remained same for the rest of their lives…except for one. And they were not conservative.
- Here’s a great opportunity to see the work the media does: challenge anyone to name one segregationist U.S. Senator, and the only one they’ll be able to name is Thurmond….the only one who became a Republican. Get the idea?
- The media intentionally hides the civil rights records of lifelong, liberal Democrats to make it look as if it was the Republican Party that was the party of segregation and racial discrimination.
And yep, Black was in the Klan before he quit to run for Senate, and he was a Conservative Democrat from Alabama (although not as Conservative as some; he did support the New Deal), but he too fits with the pre-shift Conservative Southern Democrat mold. Being a Supreme Court Justice (appointed in 1937, long before the Southerners drifted away), he wasn't subject to being voted out in the shift, and served until he died in 1971. He also fits right in to how things progressed.
As for Senators and Representatives who shifted from D to R, Thurmond is the only one who shifted *while in office*. Senators John Tower from Texas, Edward Gurney from Florida, Bill Brock from Tennessee, and Jesse Helms from North Carolina, and a bunch of Representatives who I'm not listing converted from Democrat to Republican before their election, and then usually replaced those who stayed with the Democratic party. Also remember that this happened slowly; between '56 and '72, about a third of the House seats once held by Conservative Southern Democrats, and a little less than half of those in the Senate, had been replaced, usually by Conservative Southern Republicans. That means even after the biggest one-time shocks to their system ('64 and '72), about two-thirds of them in the House and more than half in the Senate remained. This did not happen quickly.
I'm really not trying to criticize every word you type, but you seem to be working off only part of the story, which taken out of context and with the timeline running together, makes it seem to you like it happened differently than it really did.
Let's cut to the chase:
This is your party-
1. The Democrats are, and have always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship, the party that stood in schoolhouse doors to block black school children….until Republicans sent in the 101st airborne
2. It is the party of Jefferson Davis, the KKK, Planned Parenthood, concentration camps for American citizens, and restrictions on free speech.
3. It is the party of Mao ornaments on the White House Christmas tree, and of James Hodgkinson, and of Communist Bernie Sanders, of pretend genders.
4. The Democrat Party is the oldest racist organization in America, the trail of tears, the author of Jim Crow and the bigotry of low expectations, filibustered against women getting the vote and killed every anti-lynching bill to get to Congress
5. The Democrat Party is the number one funder of the Islamic Revolution in Tehran….to the tune of $100 billion to the Ayatollahs….and gave Hezbollah the go-ahead to sell cocaine in America.
6. It is the party of anti-Semitism and Louis Farrakhan, and of the first Cabinet member ever to be held in contempt of Congress.
7. It is the party that admits its future depends on flooding the country with illegal aliens, and telling them to vote.
8. It is the party that couldn't suck up to the Castro Brothers enough, and treats the Bill of Rights like a Chinese menu..
9. The Democrats got us into the Civil War…Jefferson Davis .... Woodrow Wilson, WWI….FDR, WWII……Truman, Korean War….VietNam, JFK and LBJ…..yet they want to weaken our military.
10. The Democrats are the party that looks at the mayhem their gun laws have produced in Chicago, ……and this is their model for the nation.
I can understand why you'd be embarrassed.
Have a good weekend.
Translation:
Every item in my post is 100% accurate, correct, and true.
As is this:
1. Democrat Barack Obama, the #1 funder of radical Islamic fundamentalism and of the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism, in the history of the world.
2. Under Democrat Hussein Obama, the United States was the lead benefactor of Islamic terrorism
3. The big question about Democrat Hussein Obama was always was he Sunni or Shia…and with the Iran deal, we got answer.
4. Democrat Barack Obama was ushering in the age of the ‘Iranian Nuclear Bomb’ and fueling Iran’s war machine.
5. …..you Democrats have been grumpy since we pried the slaves away from the Democrat Party….
6. Democrat Barack Obama, in addition to slowing the rise of the oceans, also made the world a safer place to be by funding the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism while not restricting their ballistic missile program and, at the same time, supporting Hezbollah.
....oh, and giving Hezbollah the OK to sell $ billion in cocaine to American kids.
Moonglow
Diamond Member
Yet still no nukes..
Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
This shit again? At that point in history the southern Democrats were the right wing of the country. Those "Democrats" all joined the Republican party in the 1950/60s. You're using labels that no longer carry the same meaning to distort history. Whether you're doing that intentionally or out of stupidity is unknown, but the truth of it is that that's the legacy of the right wing, not the left.
Check this out.
I bet if you looked up the platform of the southern "Democrats" from that time period you'd agree with just about everything they were saying. People from the right that claim that the KKK was born from the left either have absolutely no integrity or they don't have a strong understanding of history.
Yep, you're a fucking liar.
Such is the way of you Stalinists.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/strife-of-the-party/
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