Land of Canaan / Palestine - Israel

[Marc39]

It doesn't matter who did what when. No it doesn't. Ownership is 9/10 of the law. Who has it now has it, and you'll have to kick their ass to take it. The Native Americans were rightfully here in the USA until we kicked their asses and took it. Texas belonged to Mexico before we kicked their ass and took it. The bottom line is once a people are established in a land, you'll have to kick their ass to take it back from them. History was yesterday and today is what matters. You can deliberate over facts, treaties, and rules while you get your ass kicked off your land, and at the end of the day you are smart, right, and homeless.

Arabs attacked Jews. Jews won. To the victor goes the spoils.

End of story.

Yep. That is correct. And they will have to fight to keep it.

The Muhammadan doesn't fight. The Muhammadan terrorizes.

Moses Rules
allah sucks

 

[P F Tinmore]

It doesn't matter who did what when. No it doesn't. Ownership is 9/10 of the law. Who has it now has it, and you'll have to kick their ass to take it. The Native Americans were rightfully here in the USA until we kicked their asses and took it. Texas belonged to Mexico before we kicked their ass and took it. The bottom line is once a people are established in a land, you'll have to kick their ass to take it back from them. History was yesterday and today is what matters. You can deliberate over facts, treaties, and rules while you get your ass kicked off your land, and at the end of the day you are smart, right, and homeless.

Arabs attacked Jews. Jews won. To the victor goes the spoils.

End of story.

Israel has never won a war with Palestine.

End of story.

 

[Marc39]

It doesn't matter who did what when. No it doesn't. Ownership is 9/10 of the law. Who has it now has it, and you'll have to kick their ass to take it. The Native Americans were rightfully here in the USA until we kicked their asses and took it. Texas belonged to Mexico before we kicked their ass and took it. The bottom line is once a people are established in a land, you'll have to kick their ass to take it back from them. History was yesterday and today is what matters. You can deliberate over facts, treaties, and rules while you get your ass kicked off your land, and at the end of the day you are smart, right, and homeless.

Arabs attacked Jews. Jews won. To the victor goes the spoils.

End of story.

Israel has never won a war with Palestine.

End of story.

Arabs attacked Jews. Arabs lost. You snooze, you lose.

 

[MikeK]

A Brief History of Palestine
1895 - 1997:
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1895:
The total population of Palestine was 500,000 of whom 47,000 were Jews who owned 0.5% of the land.

1896:
Following the appearance of anti-Semitism in Europe, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism tried to find a political solution for the problem in his book, 'The Jewish State'. He advocated the creation of a Jewish state in Argentina or Palestine.

1897:
The first Zionist Congress was held in Switzerland, which issued the Basle Programme on the colonization of Palestine and the establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO).

1904:
The Fourth Zionist Congress decided to establish a national home for Jews in Argentina.

1906:
The Zionist congress decided the Jewish homeland should be Palestine.

1914:
With the outbreak of World War I, Britain promised the independence of Arab lands under Ottoman rule, including Palestine, in return for Arab support against Turkey which had entered the war on the side of Germany.

1916:
Britain and France signed the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divided the Arab region into zones of influence. Lebanon and Syria were assigned to France, Jordan and Iraq to Britain and Palestine was to be internationalized.

1917:
Lord Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary sent a letter to the Zionist leader Lord Rothschild which later became known as "The Balfour declaration". He stated that Britain would use its best endeavors to facilitate the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people. At that time the population of Palestine was 700,000 of which 574,000 were Muslims, 74,000 were Christian, and 56,000 were Jews.

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1919 - 1967
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1919:
The Palestinians convened their first National Conference and expressed their opposition to the Balfour Declaration.

1920:
The San Remo Conference granted Britain a mandate over Palestine and two years later Palestine was effectively under British administration, and Sir Herbert Samuel, a declared Zionist, was sent as Britain's first High Commissioner to Palestine.

1922:
The Council of the League of Nations issued a Mandate for Palestine. The Mandate was in favor of the establishment for the Jewish people a homeland in Palestine.

1936:
The Palestinians held a six-month General Strike to protest against the confiscation of land and Jewish immigration.

1939:
The British government published a new White Paper restricting Jewish immigration and offering independence for Palestine within ten years. This was rejected by the Zionists, who then organized terrorist groups and launched a bloody campaign against the British and the Palestinians. The aim was to drive them both out of Palestine and to pave the way for the establishment of the Zionist state.

1947:
The United Nations approved the partition under which the Palestinian Arabs, who accounted for 70% of the population and owned 92% of the land, were allocated 47% of the country. (UN resolution 181)

1948:
British forces withdrew from Palestine in May and the Zionists proclaimed the state of Israel without defining its borders. Arab armies moved to defend the Palestinians.

1949:
A cease fire was finally agreed. The Zionists controlled 77% of Palestinian land and over 1 million Palestinians were forced to leave their country. The West Bank was put under Jordanian control and the Gaza Strip under Egyptian control.

1964:
The Palestine Liberation Organization was established.

1965:
The Palestine 'Revolution' began on 1 January.

1967:
Israel launched a new war against the Arabs and seized the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the Syrian Golan Heights and the Egyptian Sinai peninsula.

1973 - 1988
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1973:
The October War between Israel and the Arab states broke out.

1974:
The Arab Summit in Rabat recognized the PLO as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. At the United Nations General Assembly, the UN reaffirmed its commitment to an independent sovereign state in Palestine and gave the PLO observer status at the United Nations. Yasser Arafat, chairman of the PLO, addressed the General Assembly of the United Nations.

1978:
Egypt and Israel signed the Camp David Agreement under the auspices of the United States.

1982:
Israel invaded Lebanon with the aim of destroying the PLO. Tens of thousands were killed and made homeless in the wake of the invasion which culminated in the massacres of Sabra and Shatilla.

1983:
The United Nations called for the convening of a Peace Conference with the participation of the PLO on an equal footing with the other delegates as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.

1987:
The 18th Session of the Palestine National Council (PNC) supported the convening of a UN- sponsored conference. In December the Intifada-the Palestine Uprising - in the Occupied Territories began.

1988:
Abu Jihad, Palestinian leader, was gunned down in his home in Tunis on 14April by the Israeli Mossad.

July 31:
Jordanian disengagement - King Hussein of Jordan said he no longer considered the West Bank as part of his kingdom.

November 15:
The PNC meeting in Algiers declared the State of Palestine as outlined in the UN Partition Plan 181.

December 9:
British Junior Foreign Minister William Waldegrave met with Bassam Abu Sharif President Arafat's adviser, thus upgrading Britain's relations with the PLO.

Following the US government refusing President Arafat a visa to enter the US, the UN General Assembly held a special session on the question of Palestine in Geneva.

US/PLO dialogue began

1989 - 1996
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1989:
June 28: EEC Madrid Conference issued a new declaration calling for the PLO to be involved in any peace negotiations.

August 3: Fateh, the mainstream PLO organization, at their 5th Conference endorsed the PLO strategy
adopted at the PNC in Algiers in November 1988.

1990:
May 20: Seven Palestinian workers from Gaza were massacred by an Israeli gunman near Tel Aviv.

Yasser Arafat addressed the UN Security Council In Geneva after the massacre in which he called for the deployment of a UN emergency force to provide international protection for the Palestinian people to safeguard their lives, properties and holy places.

The US vetoed a motion which called for the Security Council to send a fact finding mission to the area. At the end of their hunger strike, Palestinian leaders in the Occupied Territories decided to boycott the US.

The Arab Summit in Baghdad pledged support fort he Palestinian Intifada and strongly denounced the settlement of Soviet Jews within the Occupied Territories.

June 20: The US suspended its dialogue with the PLO after the PLO refused to denounce a military operation in the sea by the PLF.

June 26: The EEC in Dublin issued a new declaration on the Middle East which condemned Israeli human rights violations and the settlement of Soviet Jews in the Occupied Territories. It also doubled its economic aid programme to the Occupied Territories.

August 2: The Gulf Crisis erupted.

December 20: UN Security Council adopted Resolution 681.

1991:
January 16: War in the Gulf started.

February 17: Cease fire agreed in War in the Gulf. - 23 September: The PNC met in Algiers and paved the way for the Palestinian delegation to participate in the Middle East Peace Conference.

October 30: The Middle East Peace Conference convened in Madrid.

December 3: The bi-lateral talks between Israel and the Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians and Lebanese started in Washington.

1992:
June 23: Israeli Labor Party won the election in Israel and formed a Labor coalition government.

August 24: The sixth round of the bi-lateral talks ,W.

1993:
September 9-10: PLO Israeli recognition.

September 13: Palestinian-Israeli Declaration of Principle.

1994 :
May 4: Gaza strip and Jericho Agreement in Cairo.

August 29: Transfer of the power Agreement.

1995:
September 28: Palestinian Israeli Interim Agreement signed in Washington.

1996:
January: Election in Palestine.

Israeli soldiers re deployed from major cities in the West Bank, yet Hebron is still controlled by the Israeli soldiers

1997:
January: Agreement of the redeployment from Hebron.

February: Release of the women prisoners.

March: The construction of the new Israeli settlement of Jabal Abu Ghneim (Har Homa) started.

March: Cease of the peace talks because of continuation of the settlements policy of the Netanyahu Government.

 

[docmauser1]

Arabs attacked Jews. Jews won. To the victor goes the spoils. End of story.

Israel has never won a war with Palestine.

Our resident arap cheerleaders are habitually fighting windmills.

End of story.

Of course.

 

[Marc39]

A Brief History of Palestine

Birdbrain, Palestine was invented by the Romans who renamed Judea, the correct historical geographic name of the land of the Jews [Judea = Jewish] Palaestina 1500 years after Jews were already living there and 500 years before Muslim intruders invaded.

So, unless you can prove that Arabs are Italian, you're fucked.

Palestine is not referenced in the Hebrew Bible nor in the Christian Bible nor in the Quran nor in any ancient historical document or the archaeological record

Now, you know

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian culture is comprised of a blend of Eastern Mediterranean influences. Being Levantines, Palestinians share commonalities with nearby Levantine Arabs (Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians). Palestinians, although Arabized today, are genetically an indigenous Semitic (non-Arab) people which descended from the native Canaanites/Phoenicians and thereby mixed with their conquerers (Philistines, Hebrews, Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Persians, Arabs, Crusaders, and Ottoman Turks).

Religion: Currently, no reliable data are available for the worldwide Palestinian population. But an estimated percentage suggests 60% Muslim (mainly Sunni, but also a few Sufis), 30% Christian (predominantly Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and others) and 10% Other (i.e. Druze, Baha'i, Jewish, Samaritan, etc).

However, within the West Bank and Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian Academic Society for the Study of International Affairs, the (non-Jewish) Palestinian population is 97% Muslim and 3% Christian; there are also about 350 Samaritans and a few thousand Jews.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJXC046hzXQ&feature=related[/ame]

 

[Marc39]

Palestinian culture is comprised of a blend of Eastern Mediterranean influences.

Former PLO Leader Zuheir Mohsen...

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

Zuheir Mohsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Arab American Journalist Joe Farah...

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

Palestine has never existed -- before or since -- as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

Myths of the Middle East


Arab Commentator Azmi Bishara...

Well, I dont think there is a Palestinian nation at all. I think there is an Arab nation. I always thought so and I did not change my mind. I do not think there is a Palestinian nation, I think its a colonialist invention - Palestinian nation. When were there any Palestinians? Where did it come from? I think there is an Arab nation. I never turned to be a Palestinian nationalist, despite of my decisive struggle against the occupation. I think that until the end of the 19th century, Palestine was the south of Greater Syria.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3n5-yG-6dU[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Jews were not the first people in Palestine nor were they ever the only people in Palestine. The indigenous people of Palestine be they Muslims, Christians , or Jews were opposed to the foreign takeover of Palestine.

The indigenous Christians living in what is now called Israel say that they are living under Israeli occupation.

The indigenous Jews living in what is now called Israel say that they are living under Israeli occupation.

They both prefer to be living in Palestine.

 

[Jroc]

A Brief History of Palestine
1895 - 1997:

You mean the Arab propagandist’s bullshit history of the fake country "Palestine"

 

[Jroc]

Today's Palestinian (Canaanite) ancestors built Jerusalem, Einstein.

No Hebrews required.

Don't tell Moses.

Wow.. You mean they are destroying their own artifacts? That’s weird..

JERUSALEM – In an unprecedented legal move, Israeli citizens this week filed a criminal lawsuit against the Muslim custodians of Judaism's holiest site, the Temple Mount, alleging the Muslim trust destroyed Jewish antiquities, including a possible wall from the Second Jewish Temple.
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's government this summer allowed the Mount's Waqf Islamic custodians to use bulldozers and other heavy equipment to dig a massive trench on the Temple Mount which the Waqf claimed was necessary to replace electrical cables outside mosques on the site.

Allowing the use of bulldozers at any sensitive archaeological site is extremely unusual, particularly at the Temple Mount, which experts say contains sealed layers of artifacts as shallow as two to three feet below the surface.

The Mount has never been properly excavated. Heavy equipment could easily damage any existing artifacts, stress Israeli experts, who assert the area should be excavated slowly and carefully by hand


Muslims sued for destroying Jewish Temple artifacts


You mean they destroyed their own ancestral gravesites? That’s crazy...

From Biblical times until today, Jews have been buried on the Mount of Olives. The necropolis on the southern ridge, the location of the modern village of Silwan, was the burial place of the city's most important citizens in the period of the Biblical kings There are an estimated 150,000 graves on the Mount, including tombs traditionally associated with Zechariah and Avshalom. On the upper slope, the traditional Tomb of the Prophets Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi‎ is situated. Notable rabbis buried on the mount include Chaim ibn Attar and others from the 15th-century to present.

During the Islamization of Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation form 1948 to 1967, Jewish burials were halted, massive vandalism took place, and 40,000 of the 50,000 graves were desecrated King Hussein permitted the construction of the Intercontinental Hotel at the summit of the Mount of Olives together with a road that cut through the cemetery which destroyed hundreds of Jewish graves, some from the First Temple Period. After the Six-Day War, restoration work began, and the cemetery was re-opened for burials

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_of_Olives

 

[georgephillip]

"It has been pointed out repeatedly, but now it’s official, the Israeli Supreme Court will accept your pre-1948 claim, if you are Jewish that is.

"In one of those cases that is a testament to presumably intelligent people’s ability to ignore the larger implications of their actions, the court has been ruling that Jews who left East Jerusalem during the founding of the state of Israel/ Palestinian Nakba/ Catastrophe have a right of return.

"I hope there are Palestinian refugees filing similar court cases, as many more of them were dispossessed during that time.

"I would love to hear an Israeli court explain why the Jewish Israelis claims are more valid."

What makes that Israeli Jew's claim more valid than an Arab Israeli's?

Superstition?

The Land of Israel manages to defile the dead and the living equally.

The Only Democracy?

 

[Marc39]

"It has been pointed out repeatedly, but now it’s official, the Israeli Supreme Court will accept your pre-1948 claim, if you are Jewish that is[B

The UN ranks Israel among the 15 best countries to live in (out of 170 countries) in the world and with the highest qualities of life, emphasizing political and cultural freedom and equality in education, healthcare, life expectancy and income, ahead of England, Spain, Greece, Italy, Finland, Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg and Austria

Statistics | Human Development Reports (HDR) | United Nations Development Programme (UNDP)

Human Development is a development paradigm that is about much more than the rise or fall of national incomes. It is about creating an environment in which people can develop their full potential and lead productive, creative lives in accord with their needs and interests. People are the real wealth of nations. Development is thus about expanding the choices people have to lead lives that they value. And it is thus about much more than economic growth, which is only a means —if a very important one —of enlarging people’s choices.

Fundamental to enlarging these choices is building human capabilities —the range of things that people can do or be in life. The most basic capabilities for human development are to lead long and healthy lives, to be knowledgeable, to have access to the resources needed for a decent standard of living and to be able to participate in the life of the community. Without these, many choices are simply not available, and many opportunities in life remain inaccessible.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The UN recognizes Israel inside borders that the UN specifically stated are not borders.

Go figure.

 

[Marc39]

The UN recognizes Israel inside borders that the UN specifically stated are not borders.

Go figure.

The UN is not empowered to establish borders.

Now, even you know.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The UN recognizes Israel inside borders that the UN specifically stated are not borders.

Go figure.

The UN is not empowered to establish borders.

Now, even you know.

That is true, but to recognize a state they need to know where it is defined by its borders.

Israel has no borders so the UN uses phony ones.

 

[Marc39]

The UN recognizes Israel inside borders that the UN specifically stated are not borders.

Go figure.

The UN is not empowered to establish borders.

Now, even you know.

That is true

Except, you were clueless that the UN does not establish borders until I instructed you on the matter.

Proving learning is not beyond the mentally imparied

 

[Marc39]

The UN recognizes Israel inside borders that the UN specifically stated are not borders.

Go figure.

The UN is not empowered to establish borders.

Now, even you know.

That is true, but to recognize a state they need to know where it is defined by its borders.

Israel has no borders so the UN uses phony ones.

Israel's borders were established by the League of Nations, from the Jordan River to the Med. Sea.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The UN is not empowered to establish borders.

Now, even you know.

That is true

Except, you were clueless that the UN does not establish borders until I instructed you on the matter.

Proving learning is not beyond the mentally imparied

I already knew that. The UN tried that in resolution 181 that flopped.

 

[Marc39]

That is true

Except, you were clueless that the UN does not establish borders until I instructed you on the matter.

Proving learning is not beyond the mentally imparied

I already knew that. The UN tried that in resolution 181 that flopped.

You learned it from me, your knowledge guru.