Las Vegas shooting - a point not yet made

[Rustic]

Why do you disagree that he could have -easily- killed and wounded more people had he chosen a different weapon?
Why do you disagree that the fact he chose a less effective weapon means he limited the number casualties he could create?

Because he committed the biggest mass shooting with the multiple weapons that he had.

So? How does that negate the points at hand?

You really haven't made a point other than to say there are more powerful weapons. So?

Do you even know what the fuck you are talking about? More powerful weapons? What the fuck does that even mean. a .223/5.56 is not a powerful weapon, It’s a cartridge... 22 caliber.
Nothing high powered about it, in fact it’s modestly “”powered”...

Quit listening to the Clinton news network and quit watching movies made by child molesting Hollywood types.

I'm not the one who brought up 'more powerful weapons'. I'm saying the AR was used in the most deadly mass shooting in this country's history as well as many if not most of the runner ups. It's something I don't believe you're compensating for in your argument.

You’re throwing rocks in a glass house, what weapon is used for the most violence in this country?
Hint... it’s not an ar. Lol

 

[Rustic]

But limited his casualty count by his choice of weapon.

The casualty count is higher than anyone else. He got the high score in other words.

This does not negate what I said.

It absolutely does. The AR appears to be the most successful weapon in most of our deadliest mass shootings. That's the fact.

Lol
More frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul, political correctness has made you fucking retarded

 

[Lesh]

We still don't know the motive and they did discover a arsenal of weapon .

They did - at least $30,000 in rifles, just in the hotel room.
This supports the idea he had access to, and could have easily obtained, better weapons, but chose to use AR15s.

He would have fired from two windows .... maybe considering his age 64, could the AR15s have been easier to use?

He could have used a tripod-mounted gun.

He "could" have done a lot of things but he DID was kill and injure 550 people in ten minutes.

What...that's not enough for you?

 

[22lcidw]

Mostly because it isn't relevant to the point made in the OP.

I'm disagreeing with your point....

And have yet to do anything that demonstrates how that point is unsound.

That the weapons he used were enough to be the most effective mass shooting in U.S. history.

Thank you for confirming you cannot demonstrate how my point is unsound.

I just did. He committed a violent act that killed more people than anyone else has been able to. He couldn't have done it without the weapons he chose.

We're going around in circles and it begins with you not recognizing the severity of the crime. You're actively reducing it's weight only because you have an agenda behind it.

Its about trust. More people trust the weapons more then they trust you. To many agendas that went well beyond the call of duty. To many lies. To many accusations of others. To many people destroyed. You are what you profess to detest.

 

[Oddball]

The LV shooter fired 1100 rounds, with 480 hits (58 Killed, 422 wounded) for a 43.6% hit rate,
This is impressively low, given the target and distance.

Indeed, the casualties caused by LV shooter were -limited- by the fact he used a number of AR15s with bump stocks - he could have easily killed and wounded significantly more people with a different choice of weapon.

Now, no one knows for sure why this guy did what he did, and what he did made no sense at all - but it is clear, he deliberately chose to buy and use AR15s in lieu of other more effective weapons - weapons he certainly knew about and had access to.

The question: Why?
We'll never know, of course.
But, given what could have happened, we should be thankful he chose his weapons poorly.

Horseshit.

Those people weren't killed with .223 rounds and bump stocks...The range from shooter(s) to victims, along with the fact that the rates of fire necessary to produce such a death toll, rules out such a close-quarters weapon.

Nice try, FBI.

 

[M14 Shooter]

We still don't know the motive and they did discover a arsenal of weapon .

They did - at least $30,000 in rifles, just in the hotel room.
This supports the idea he had access to, and could have easily obtained, better weapons, but chose to use AR15s.

He would have fired from two windows .... maybe considering his age 64, could the AR15s have been easier to use?

He could have used a tripod-mounted gun.

He "could" have done a lot of things but he DID was kill and injure 550 people in ten minutes.

I don't see where you meaningfully addressed the point in the OP.
I don't imagine I will, either.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The LV shooter fired 1100 rounds, with 480 hits (58 Killed, 422 wounded) for a 43.6% hit rate,
This is impressively low, given the target and distance.

Indeed, the casualties caused by LV shooter were -limited- by the fact he used a number of AR15s with bump stocks - he could have easily killed and wounded significantly more people with a different choice of weapon.

Now, no one knows for sure why this guy did what he did, and what he did made no sense at all - but it is clear, he deliberately chose to buy and use AR15s in lieu of other more effective weapons - weapons he certainly knew about and had access to.

The question: Why?
We'll never know, of course.
But, given what could have happened, we should be thankful he chose his weapons poorly.

Horseshit.
Those people weren't killed with .223 rounds and bump stocks...The range from shooter(s) to victims, along with the fact that the rates of fire necessary to produce such a death toll, rules out such a close-quarters weapon.
Nice try, FBI.

Wut?

 

[Lesh]

Any firearm would have been directly responsible for 500 casualties and over 50 dead from 400 yards in ten minutes?

Um no.

And you claim to be a firearms dealer and expert?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Any firearm would have been directly responsible for 500 casualties and over 50 dead from 400 yards in ten minutes?

There you are again, failing to meaningfully address the points made in the OP.

 

[westwall]

The LV shooter fired 1100 rounds, with 480 hits (58 Killed, 422 wounded) for a 43.6% hit rate,
This is impressively low, given the target and distance.

Indeed, the casualties caused by LV shooter were -limited- by the fact he used a number of AR15s with bump stocks - he could have easily killed and wounded significantly more people with a different choice of weapon.

Now, no one knows for sure why this guy did what he did, and what he did made no sense at all - but it is clear, he deliberately chose to buy and use AR15s in lieu of other more effective weapons - weapons he certainly knew about and had access to.

The question: Why?
We'll never know, of course.
But, given what could have happened, we should be thankful he chose his weapons poorly.

Yup. I was talking to the lead FBI investigator and brought that up. He also told me that there was 12 minute gap because the shooter got tired.

That saved a lot of lives as well.

Had the scumbag wanted to really do damage though, driving a semi into the venue would have been far worse.

 

[westwall]

The LV shooter fired 1100 rounds, with 480 hits (58 Killed, 422 wounded) for a 43.6% hit rate,
This is impressively low, given the target and distance.

Indeed, the casualties caused by LV shooter were -limited- by the fact he used a number of AR15s with bump stocks - he could have easily killed and wounded significantly more people with a different choice of weapon.

Now, no one knows for sure why this guy did what he did, and what he did made no sense at all - but it is clear, he deliberately chose to buy and use AR15s in lieu of other more effective weapons - weapons he certainly knew about and had access to.

The question: Why?
We'll never know, of course.
But, given what could have happened, we should be thankful he chose his weapons poorly.

I'm not sure I really care about this argument. But for a guy going on his first rampage how did you come to the conclusion that 43.8% is low? Did that include the number of rounds he fired aimlessly through the door of his hotel room?

Because he was quite literally shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[Oddball]

The LV shooter fired 1100 rounds, with 480 hits (58 Killed, 422 wounded) for a 43.6% hit rate,
This is impressively low, given the target and distance.

Indeed, the casualties caused by LV shooter were -limited- by the fact he used a number of AR15s with bump stocks - he could have easily killed and wounded significantly more people with a different choice of weapon.

Now, no one knows for sure why this guy did what he did, and what he did made no sense at all - but it is clear, he deliberately chose to buy and use AR15s in lieu of other more effective weapons - weapons he certainly knew about and had access to.

The question: Why?
We'll never know, of course.
But, given what could have happened, we should be thankful he chose his weapons poorly.

Horseshit.
Those people weren't killed with .223 rounds and bump stocks...The range from shooter(s) to victims, along with the fact that the rates of fire necessary to produce such a death toll, rules out such a close-quarters weapon.
Nice try, FBI.

Wut?

An AR-15/M-16 is a weapon not suitable for ranges beyond about 150 yards...And the rate of fire necessary to produce that level of carnage would have jammed the receivers and melted the barrels.

I hate it when people who should be smarter (M-14 shooter?) buy a fairy tale narrative like the one being peddled in this shooting.

 

[westwall]

The LV shooter fired 1100 rounds, with 480 hits (58 Killed, 422 wounded) for a 43.6% hit rate,
This is impressively low, given the target and distance.

Indeed, the casualties caused by LV shooter were -limited- by the fact he used a number of AR15s with bump stocks - he could have easily killed and wounded significantly more people with a different choice of weapon.

Now, no one knows for sure why this guy did what he did, and what he did made no sense at all - but it is clear, he deliberately chose to buy and use AR15s in lieu of other more effective weapons - weapons he certainly knew about and had access to.

The question: Why?
We'll never know, of course.
But, given what could have happened, we should be thankful he chose his weapons poorly.

Horseshit.
Those people weren't killed with .223 rounds and bump stocks...The range from shooter(s) to victims, along with the fact that the rates of fire necessary to produce such a death toll, rules out such a close-quarters weapon.
Nice try, FBI.

Wut?

An AR-15/M-16 is a weapon not suitable for ranges beyond about 150 yards...And the rate of fire necessary to produce that level of carnage would have jammed the receivers and melted the barrels.

I hate it when people who should be smarter (M-14 shooter?) buy a fairy tale narrative like the one being peddled in this shooting.

I disagree with you Oddball, the AR platform is effective in its base form out to 460 meters. I have one rifle I built up for competition that is 1/4MOA accurate all the way out to 1000 meters with 80gr VLD projectiles.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The LV shooter fired 1100 rounds, with 480 hits (58 Killed, 422 wounded) for a 43.6% hit rate,
This is impressively low, given the target and distance.

Indeed, the casualties caused by LV shooter were -limited- by the fact he used a number of AR15s with bump stocks - he could have easily killed and wounded significantly more people with a different choice of weapon.

Now, no one knows for sure why this guy did what he did, and what he did made no sense at all - but it is clear, he deliberately chose to buy and use AR15s in lieu of other more effective weapons - weapons he certainly knew about and had access to.

The question: Why?
We'll never know, of course.
But, given what could have happened, we should be thankful he chose his weapons poorly.

Horseshit.
Those people weren't killed with .223 rounds and bump stocks...The range from shooter(s) to victims, along with the fact that the rates of fire necessary to produce such a death toll, rules out such a close-quarters weapon.
Nice try, FBI.

Wut?

An AR-15/M-16 is a weapon not suitable for ranges beyond about 150 yards...

US infantry doctrine is built around the 300m effective range of the M16; aimed fire is accurate out to at least 600m.

And the rate of fire necessary to produce that level of carnage would have jammed the receivers and melted the barrels.

He fired 1100 rounds in 10 minutes, through several guns. Where's the issue?

 

[Lesh]

An AR-15/M-16 is a weapon not suitable for ranges beyond about 150 yards...And the rate of fire necessary to produce that level of carnage would have jammed the receivers and melted the barrels.

And yet the ranges were far in excess of that and he USED an AR-15 and managed to shoot 500 people...in ten minutes

Oh...

 

[M14 Shooter]

I disagree with you Oddball, the AR platform is effective in its base form out to 460 meters. I have one rifle I built up for competition that is 1/4MOA accurate all the way out to 1000 meters with 80gr VLD projectiles.

USAMU and USMCMU both use M16s for the same course of fire.

 

[M14 Shooter]

An AR-15/M-16 is a weapon not suitable for ranges beyond about 150 yards...And the rate of fire necessary to produce that level of carnage would have jammed the receivers and melted the barrels.

And yet the ranges were far in excess of that and he USED an AR-15 and managed to shoot 500 people...in ten minutes

I Must have missed the post where you addressed the points made in the OP.
Oh wait... No, I didn't
Because you have yet to do so.

 

[The Original Tree]

The LV shooter fired 1100 rounds, with 480 hits (58 Killed, 422 wounded) for a 43.6% hit rate,
This is impressively low, given the target and distance.

Indeed, the casualties caused by LV shooter were -limited- by the fact he used a number of AR15s with bump stocks - he could have easily killed and wounded significantly more people with a different choice of weapon.

Now, no one knows for sure why this guy did what he did, and what he did made no sense at all - but it is clear, he deliberately chose to buy and use AR15s in lieu of other more effective weapons - weapons he certainly knew about and had access to.

The question: Why?
We'll never know, of course.
But, given what could have happened, we should be thankful he chose his weapons poorly.

He was part of The Obama Administration's Fast and Furious Operation that was still going on. The shootings were a cover for a weapons deal gone wrong.

Interesting that there was a laptop at the scene who's hard drive mysteriously disappeared, and then a little while later his brother's house was raided, he was accused of accessing child porn and they confiscated all of his computer equipment too.

 

[westwall]

An AR-15/M-16 is a weapon not suitable for ranges beyond about 150 yards...And the rate of fire necessary to produce that level of carnage would have jammed the receivers and melted the barrels.

And yet the ranges were far in excess of that and he USED an AR-15 and managed to shoot 500 people...in ten minutes

Oh...

He was 300 meters away, and he was shooting into a narrow confined space with 30,000 people in it. I would have harmed more people with a pistol. he was a poor shot, and thankfully he used a bump stock which made him shoot high for the majority of the time he was shooting. He wanted to make a political statement more than anything else. That's why he had rifles strewn all over the place even though he never used them. It was a propaganda set up from the very beginning.

you should be asking yourself how the IRS allowed a clear sociopath to be employed by them for so long.

 

[Dalia]

The media slipped up and referred to the country music concert as a "Trump Rally" and then they were desperate to quickly close the case and move on. The FBI with all it's vast psychological resources couldn't (didn't want to) determine that the shooter was a left winger with a psychological hangup against conservative (mostly) kids. For some reason it seems the Vegas swat team was off that night and the Officers who breached the door were something like dog handlers. The security staff was questionable as was the shooter's wife but nobody in the media (or the FBI) seemed interested in pursuing the conspiracy.

We do not know the bottom of the story, and it is forgotten, I put myself in the place of the families of the victims who still do not know the motivation of the shooting , as if the victims were not important.