Lawmakers DESTROY thousands of low education jobs for the poor

[Katzndogz]

I think that the DC city council has a lot to be proud of. They now require a living wage of $12.50 an hour. If a major employer doesn't wish to pay that, they can go somewhere else. The citizenry of DC can be proud of their city and the new requirements. They are willing to forgo jobs and the ability to provide fresh fruits and vegetables for themselves and their children at reasonable prices, to prove the point that 'big corporations' aren't going to exploit them.

For the poor on SNAP or WIC, without cars, they still have their local grocers who can ignore sell by dates and employ minimum wage workers or less than minimum wage illegal workers.

Proud day for DC.

Actually, DC doesn't require a living wage of $12.50 an hour. The law they passed was very carefully crafted to apply to WalMart and to no one else. Small retailers are exempt, as are union stores and stores in a mall or strip mall. If the law applied to everyone equally, WalMart would probably have gone along with it. But the law doesn't apply to anyone BUT WalMart.

 

[Spoonman]

Woa!!!!, they lost their manufacturing base due to walmart in part.... people want cheap crap so walmart buys and sells from China for example and not from U.S. factorys...

you do realize that every retailer, Kmart, Sears, Target, Penny's, Kohls, Michael Kors, Aberchrombie, The Gap, Victoria's Secret and on and on and on buys and sells from china. They all do. do you also realize that so does every mom and pop store. they just buy good from china through a middleman distributor

Not true, there is Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam and other low wage payers in Asia besides the Chinese.

typical dumbass lib answer. So that makes it better?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Woa!!!!, they lost their manufacturing base due to walmart in part.... people want cheap crap so walmart buys and sells from China for example and not from U.S. factorys...

you do realize that every retailer, Kmart, Sears, Target, Penny's, Kohls, Michael Kors, Aberchrombie, The Gap, Victoria's Secret and on and on and on buys and sells from china. They all do. do you also realize that so does every mom and pop store. they just buy good from china through a middleman distributor

Not true, there is Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam and other low wage payers in Asia besides the Chinese.

that's true......the Chinese are now getting the better paying, more skilled mfg. jobs.....

while here in the U.S. we are getting lower-paying jobs.....and lots of part-time ones....

 

[Vox]

Cool.

I hope the mayor doesn't veto the measure.

I hope not either. The LAST thing DC needs is 1800 new jobs.

What DC doesn't need is a monster like WalMart that opens up in town, closes down the competing stores..and provides 1800 "jobs" lost from the places they closed down at lower wages and no benefits placing a greater burden on government resources.

They are alrready next door in VA and available to the consumer so this is just closing 1800 new jobs.
There are no mom and pops stores in DC anyway - the climate is not business-friendly

 

[Katzndogz]

Unfortunately for American manufacturing, many manufacturers were forced out of the US because regulations made it impossible to make those products here.

 

[Moonglow]

you do realize that every retailer, Kmart, Sears, Target, Penny's, Kohls, Michael Kors, Aberchrombie, The Gap, Victoria's Secret and on and on and on buys and sells from china. They all do. do you also realize that so does every mom and pop store. they just buy good from china through a middleman distributor

Not true, there is Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam and other low wage payers in Asia besides the Chinese.

typical dumbass lib answer. So that makes it better?

typical brainless slug answer from you.

 

[Moonglow]

I hope not either. The LAST thing DC needs is 1800 new jobs.

What DC doesn't need is a monster like WalMart that opens up in town, closes down the competing stores..and provides 1800 "jobs" lost from the places they closed down at lower wages and no benefits placing a greater burden on government resources.

They are alrready next door in VA and available to the consumer so this is just closing 1800 new jobs.
There are no mom and pops stores in DC anyway - the climate is not business-friendly

There is not a lot of empty spaces to fill in DC either and land is at a high premium there.

 

[Spoonman]

Not true, there is Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam and other low wage payers in Asia besides the Chinese.

typical dumbass lib answer. So that makes it better?

typical brainless slug answer from you.

you lose, i beat you to it. so what has your hero obama done to counter the succession of cheaper labor markets available outside the USA? Nothing

 

[Moonglow]

you do realize that every retailer, Kmart, Sears, Target, Penny's, Kohls, Michael Kors, Aberchrombie, The Gap, Victoria's Secret and on and on and on buys and sells from china. They all do. do you also realize that so does every mom and pop store. they just buy good from china through a middleman distributor

Not true, there is Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam and other low wage payers in Asia besides the Chinese.

that's true......the Chinese are now getting the better paying, more skilled mfg. jobs.....

while here in the U.S. we are getting lower-paying jobs.....and lots of part-time ones....

Not really they have no more high skilled jobs than the US of A. We are still leaders in manufacturing in the world, we just do it more efficiently.

 

[Annie]

How could you live in DC on a Wal-Mart pay check?

DC has the highest income in US. It also has a boatload of poor. Are they better off without Walmart jobs and perhaps more importantly, without the choice of how to spend their few dollars?

As a whole the city council made the decision that the DC poor are better off without an alternative to the 'mom and pop' grocers that currently serve them. Those that can ignore sell by dates, charge exorbitant rates for inferior foods. Mom and pop stores aren't 'tightly regulated' or exposed by the NY Times or Washington Post.

One city council member is concerned about her constituents, those that face an over 15% unemployment rate, live in substandard housing, have few resources for making their dollars-whether provided by employment or government go very far:

Will unions succeed in driving Wal-Mart (and 1,800 jobs) from DC? - Fortune Features

...The proponents of this "living wage" measure say Wal-Mart's pullout would be victory for income equality and low-income workers. Really? Let's look at some facts. Washington DC's 68 square miles features one of the widest income chasms in the country. The overall unemployment rate is about 8.5%, but Ward 7—which will lose two major Walmart facilities—has an unemployment rate that hovers at seven to eight times that of the mostly white, upper middle class Ward 3 in Northwest Washington.

No wonder Ward 7 council member Yvette M. Alexander described Wal-Mart's threatened pull-out as "her worst nightmare," and called the legislation "a development killer…a jobs killer." Her constituents are coping with a 15% unemployment rate.

Ward 8 is even worse, with a 23% unemployment rate. A 2012 Department of Employment Services report stressed that "wards with the highest poverty need access to resources that break the poverty cycle such as transportation to outlying areas where much of the economic growth is occurring and will grow."

Without Wal-Mart and related retailers it supports around, the residents can continue their long treks to Maryland and Virginia for jobs and affordable shopping.

 

[Moonglow]

typical dumbass lib answer. So that makes it better?

typical brainless slug answer from you.

you lose, i beat you to it. so what has your hero obama done to counter the succession of cheaper labor markets available outside the USA? Nothing

lowered the value of the dollar and lowered wages, no that was Bush.

 

[Moonglow]

All Wal-Marts in China have their employees unionized. It was part of the negotiated settlement for Wal-Mart to operate in China.

 

[Annie]

I think that the DC city council has a lot to be proud of. They now require a living wage of $12.50 an hour. If a major employer doesn't wish to pay that, they can go somewhere else. The citizenry of DC can be proud of their city and the new requirements. They are willing to forgo jobs and the ability to provide fresh fruits and vegetables for themselves and their children at reasonable prices, to prove the point that 'big corporations' aren't going to exploit them.

For the poor on SNAP or WIC, without cars, they still have their local grocers who can ignore sell by dates and employ minimum wage workers or less than minimum wage illegal workers.

Proud day for DC.

Actually, DC doesn't require a living wage of $12.50 an hour. The law they passed was very carefully crafted to apply to WalMart and to no one else. Small retailers are exempt, as are union stores and stores in a mall or strip mall. If the law applied to everyone equally, WalMart would probably have gone along with it. But the law doesn't apply to anyone BUT WalMart.

Really, thanks. You couldn't get the hint about the existing grocers being able to 'carry on' screwing the poor from my post? I truly need the enlightenment you chose to share.

 

[Moonglow]

How could you live in DC on a Wal-Mart pay check?

DC has the highest income in US. It also has a boatload of poor. Are they better off without Walmart jobs and perhaps more importantly, without the choice of how to spend their few dollars?

As a whole the city council made the decision that the DC poor are better off without an alternative to the 'mom and pop' grocers that currently serve them. Those that can ignore sell by dates, charge exorbitant rates for inferior foods. Mom and pop stores aren't 'tightly regulated' or exposed by the NY Times or Washington Post.

One city council member is concerned about her constituents, those that face an over 15% unemployment rate, live in substandard housing, have few resources for making their dollars-whether provided by employment or government go very far:

Will unions succeed in driving Wal-Mart (and 1,800 jobs) from DC? - Fortune Features

...The proponents of this "living wage" measure say Wal-Mart's pullout would be victory for income equality and low-income workers. Really? Let's look at some facts. Washington DC's 68 square miles features one of the widest income chasms in the country. The overall unemployment rate is about 8.5%, but Ward 7—which will lose two major Walmart facilities—has an unemployment rate that hovers at seven to eight times that of the mostly white, upper middle class Ward 3 in Northwest Washington.

No wonder Ward 7 council member Yvette M. Alexander described Wal-Mart's threatened pull-out as "her worst nightmare," and called the legislation "a development killer…a jobs killer." Her constituents are coping with a 15% unemployment rate.

Ward 8 is even worse, with a 23% unemployment rate. A 2012 Department of Employment Services report stressed that "wards with the highest poverty need access to resources that break the poverty cycle such as transportation to outlying areas where much of the economic growth is occurring and will grow."

Without Wal-Mart and related retailers it supports around, the residents can continue their long treks to Maryland and Virginia for jobs and affordable shopping.

Mass transit is very available to DC residents. I enjoyed them when I was stationed there in the Army.

 

[Spoonman]

typical brainless slug answer from you.

you lose, i beat you to it. so what has your hero obama done to counter the succession of cheaper labor markets available outside the USA? Nothing

lowered the value of the dollar and lowered wages, no that was Bush.

hmmm, the dollar is lower now then when bush was in office? so why with a lower dollar value can't obama bring jobs back? that should make it easier. You do know you just bitch slapped yourself with your own answer. that was easy

 

[Sallow]

Unfortunately for American manufacturing, many manufacturers were forced out of the US because regulations made it impossible to make those products here.

Yes..because what we really want are dangerous products made in countries with no regulations.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I'm starting to believe that liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

[National Socialist]

I am starting to think rich people are greedy fucking scumbags.

 

[Sallow]

How is the government responsible for the manufacturing base moving offshore? Did they tell all of the clothing retailers "You must get your good manufactured in China or Bangla Desh"? No they did not. Did they tell corporations to sit on billions of dollars while sending American jobs overseas?

And yet if manufacturing was on the rise in the US, you'd be the first to say that private enterprise made it happen, not the government.

You can't suck and blow at the same time, unless you are a conservative.

Some of this is correct.

Our government has given tax breaks and entitlements to companies that offshore. It started in the 50s under Eisenhower, but really took off during the middle of the Clinton administration after the telecommunication upgrades and boom.

It went into overdrive during the Bush administration and he could have easily dealt with it.

That is such a crock of progressive pablum.

What you call tax breaks are actually honoring tax treaties with other countries so that foreign based profits are not double taxed.

Oh man!



Double TAX!

That doesn't seem to be a problem for the average wage earner.

I pay real estate, city, taxes in 2 states (count em) and Federal. That's in addition to sales tax and tolls for the commute.

 

[Katzndogz]

DC will also lose all those charitable contributions WalMart contracted to make. All those school programs are gone now. DC gets it's principle though, they won, they kept WalMart out.

Walmart Shrugs: Pulls Plans to Build Stores in Washington, D.C.

This puts Mayor Vincent Gray in a bind. He has been actively promoting Walmart’s investment into the district as part of his administration’s economic development plan. He expressed great pleasure at Wal-Mart’s Community Partnership Initiative, saying, “This agreement represents an unprecedented citywide commitment from a retailer.… Wal-Mart is showing what it means to be a good corporate neighbor.”

French economist Frederic Bastiat wrote almost two hundred years ago in the early 1800s that “It is necessary to view economics from the viewpoint of the consumer. All economic phenomena must be judged by the advantages and disadvantages they bring to the consumer.”

If we apply that profound, timeless economic insight to the DC situation today and consider the significant economic benefits that six Wal-Mart stores will bring to inner-city DC residents (everyday low prices for groceries, clothing, household and other consumer goods, $4 drug prescriptions, etc.), in addition to creating 1,800 new retail jobs and 600 construction jobs for workers, it would really be a politically-motivated “economic death wish” for the DC city council and mayor to drive Wal-Mart away from the District.

For Walmart such a decision would merely be an annoyance. For those consumers, however, that decision would mean higher prices, fewer jobs, and a generally poorer economy. These are economic principles that even city councils should not ignore.

It was all to keep the unions happy. That's all it ever was. Thousands of people are going to lose in varying ways, just to keep the unions happy.