Lawsuit filed against Bump stocks, Feinstein crying

[iceberg]

I agree. Toys. And of course we get the knee jerk reaction about a toy.

I am a range officer and see bump stocks quite often. Firing in the bump stock mode I think most shooters would have a hard time hitting anything beyond 25 yds or so. They would empty a 30 rd magazine and I doubt two or three of the rounds would hit inside a man size target. Definitely not at 50 yds or beyond.

There was absolutely no reason to ban them.

I hope the GOA lawsuit is successful. It is time the courts start applying strict scrutiny to the Second Amendment as they do to the other rights. This crap of allowing infringement needs to stop.

No reason? Aren’t they just a cheat around the auto weapon ban and the only value is to cause carnage ?

You are confused Moon Bat. Probably comes from you reading fake news.

As a range officer I see people using the bump stock for lawful recreational purposes. As far as I know of the hundreds of thousands that have been sold in this country the LV shooter is possibly the only person to ever use one to "cause carnage" and if he did then he was an idiot because he could have cause much more carnage with other weapon systems.

If anybody tried to use one in a crime they would be idiots because they are unreliable and extremely (and I emphasize the word extremely) inaccurate.

i would put this like banning the 150 round "double circle" ammo mag for the AR-15. i actually had one that was 100 or 150 and wow. it gets VERY heavy and jams from the first shot. so while it looks vicious anyone using it would be SOL cause it would be too heavy to effectively shoot and when you finally do shoot it, it jams.

I have hundreds of AR magazines. They are all 20 and 30 rounders. Some extended capacity magazines are reliable but most aren't. Besides it only takes a couple of seconds to change out either an AK or AR standard mag. You gain little or nothing having a 150 rd drum.

well that's my point. it's pure show. ban 'em and it wouldn't make a difference except to get mad they're banning something.

even 20/30 round generic mags can jam like crazy so it's never really worth it to save $10 or so on a generic one.

 

[Flash]

Isn't a stock an integral part of any (rifle) firearm?

i can't think of any that are sold with bump stocks on them as a default configuration. it's usually an after market add on.

am i wrong there?

All stocks are ad ons to the receiver. However, the gun will not function without one.

and as far as i know the guns i've seen have a stock on them when sold that doesn't bump. it can be added on later as an accessory.

i think the ban is stupid. i do. but that doesn't mean the bump stock is a standard part of normal gun sale.

The problem is that you can't give the filthy government an excuse to infringe upon our right to keep and bear arms. When you start nitpicking on what constitutes an "arm" then you open up the door for the asshole Liberals to be unreasonable. We see it all the time. You can't trust Liberals to define the limitations of your Constitutional rights because they will fuck you every time.

I have shot bump stocks and at the range I have supervised the shooting of bump stocks. I have absolutely no use for them and think they are silly range toys. However, there is absolutely no need to ban them for the reasons I posted above.

and this goes back to my original point that no side will give an inch cause everything has become a fight.

Because we all know that Liberals can't be trusted because they are lying assholes we should never give an inch on our Constitutional rights.

Their agenda on gun control has nothing to do with public safety. It is all about taking away the ability of Conservative Americans to oppose the government making this country a socialist shithole.

 

[Rustic]

Should't it be Trump that is fuming, not Feinstein? This is his baby.

by the way...the 2nd covers arms, not accessories.

the bump stock itself is hardly worth fighting over. for the most part people just demand some form of victory, however useless it may be.

rubber bands will give the same effect. but people are in this for the "fight" not the "solution"; which is why we're still fighting over all this.

Bump stocks are a joke, but that’s not the point. The progressives, they want all out firearm confiscation.
Banning bump stocks will not save a single soul, it only provides for a slippery slope of An all out firearm confiscation

 

[iceberg]

i can't think of any that are sold with bump stocks on them as a default configuration. it's usually an after market add on.

am i wrong there?

All stocks are ad ons to the receiver. However, the gun will not function without one.

and as far as i know the guns i've seen have a stock on them when sold that doesn't bump. it can be added on later as an accessory.

i think the ban is stupid. i do. but that doesn't mean the bump stock is a standard part of normal gun sale.

The problem is that you can't give the filthy government an excuse to infringe upon our right to keep and bear arms. When you start nitpicking on what constitutes an "arm" then you open up the door for the asshole Liberals to be unreasonable. We see it all the time. You can't trust Liberals to define the limitations of your Constitutional rights because they will fuck you every time.

I have shot bump stocks and at the range I have supervised the shooting of bump stocks. I have absolutely no use for them and think they are silly range toys. However, there is absolutely no need to ban them for the reasons I posted above.

and this goes back to my original point that no side will give an inch cause everything has become a fight.

Because we all know that Liberals can't be trusted because they are lying assholes we should never give an inch on our Constitutional rights.

Their agenda on gun control has nothing to do with public safety. It is all about taking away the ability of Conservative Americans to oppose the government making this country a socialist shithole.

like i said -

neither side trusts the other so everything is a fight.

 

[Flash]

I am a range officer and see bump stocks quite often. Firing in the bump stock mode I think most shooters would have a hard time hitting anything beyond 25 yds or so. They would empty a 30 rd magazine and I doubt two or three of the rounds would hit inside a man size target. Definitely not at 50 yds or beyond.

There was absolutely no reason to ban them.

I hope the GOA lawsuit is successful. It is time the courts start applying strict scrutiny to the Second Amendment as they do to the other rights. This crap of allowing infringement needs to stop.

No reason? Aren’t they just a cheat around the auto weapon ban and the only value is to cause carnage ?

You are confused Moon Bat. Probably comes from you reading fake news.

As a range officer I see people using the bump stock for lawful recreational purposes. As far as I know of the hundreds of thousands that have been sold in this country the LV shooter is possibly the only person to ever use one to "cause carnage" and if he did then he was an idiot because he could have cause much more carnage with other weapon systems.

If anybody tried to use one in a crime they would be idiots because they are unreliable and extremely (and I emphasize the word extremely) inaccurate.

i would put this like banning the 150 round "double circle" ammo mag for the AR-15. i actually had one that was 100 or 150 and wow. it gets VERY heavy and jams from the first shot. so while it looks vicious anyone using it would be SOL cause it would be too heavy to effectively shoot and when you finally do shoot it, it jams.

I have hundreds of AR magazines. They are all 20 and 30 rounders. Some extended capacity magazines are reliable but most aren't. Besides it only takes a couple of seconds to change out either an AK or AR standard mag. You gain little or nothing having a 150 rd drum.

well that's my point. it's pure show. ban 'em and it wouldn't make a difference except to get mad they're banning something.

even 20/30 round generic mags can jam like crazy so it's never really worth it to save $10 or so on a generic one.

If we lived in a reasonable society without these hate stupid unreasonable Liberals then we could probably come to an agreement on what reasonable gun controls should be but that ain't gonna happen. As long as the Left is bat shit crazy like they are now then there will be no compromise.

I could give you several examples of what the filthy Left considers reasonable gun control that is very oppressive.

 

[progressive hunter]

Should't it be Trump that is fuming, not Feinstein? This is his baby.

by the way...the 2nd covers arms, not accessories.

the bump stock itself is hardly worth fighting over. for the most part people just demand some form of victory, however useless it may be.

rubber bands will give the same effect. but people are in this for the "fight" not the "solution"; which is why we're still fighting over all this.

Bump stocks are a joke, but that’s not the point. The progressives, they want all out firearm confiscation.
Banning bump stocks will not save a single soul, it only provides for a slippery slope of An all out firearm confiscation

bumpstocks were banned because they increased the rate of fire, so now they have a precedent for anything else including semi auto's for that same reason,,,

we all know republicans hate the 2nd just as much as dems

 

[iceberg]

No reason? Aren’t they just a cheat around the auto weapon ban and the only value is to cause carnage ?

You are confused Moon Bat. Probably comes from you reading fake news.

As a range officer I see people using the bump stock for lawful recreational purposes. As far as I know of the hundreds of thousands that have been sold in this country the LV shooter is possibly the only person to ever use one to "cause carnage" and if he did then he was an idiot because he could have cause much more carnage with other weapon systems.

If anybody tried to use one in a crime they would be idiots because they are unreliable and extremely (and I emphasize the word extremely) inaccurate.

i would put this like banning the 150 round "double circle" ammo mag for the AR-15. i actually had one that was 100 or 150 and wow. it gets VERY heavy and jams from the first shot. so while it looks vicious anyone using it would be SOL cause it would be too heavy to effectively shoot and when you finally do shoot it, it jams.

I have hundreds of AR magazines. They are all 20 and 30 rounders. Some extended capacity magazines are reliable but most aren't. Besides it only takes a couple of seconds to change out either an AK or AR standard mag. You gain little or nothing having a 150 rd drum.

well that's my point. it's pure show. ban 'em and it wouldn't make a difference except to get mad they're banning something.

even 20/30 round generic mags can jam like crazy so it's never really worth it to save $10 or so on a generic one.

If we lived in a reasonable society without these hate stupid unreasonable Liberals then we could probably come to an agreement on what reasonable gun controls should be but that ain't gonna happen. As long as the Left is bat shit crazy like they are now then there will be no compromise.

I could give you several examples of what the filthy Left considers reasonable gun control that is very oppressive.

i know you could. i have to admit from my own PoV the left comes after anything and everything w/o reason or direction. just whatever is handy to scream at today, they want done and done now.

banning the bump stock is a "useless" victory. no one that i've been able to find has ever used them but they seem scary so we ban it. the left does tend to ban first and understand later.

ie - the senator from colorado who wanted to ban high capacity mags and thought once used they get thrown away. she and all who make this type of "error" needs to shut the fuck up when it comes to guns and gun laws. they simply don't know enough to make a decision that will really make the difference they're after.

they simply want to wave a "victory" flag to the anti-gun crowd and then go "damn" when the next shooting happens anyway.

 

[Rustic]

Should't it be Trump that is fuming, not Feinstein? This is his baby.

by the way...the 2nd covers arms, not accessories.

Agreed. I'm very pro Second Amendment, supporting few restrictions, but I could care less about the bump stock ban. If that's the extent of the gun control we need to be concerned about then we're golden.

I have offered every one of my customers a complete refund on bump stocks they have Purchased from me... no one single person has contacted me.
And if the ban is denied I will give them back free of charge.

There no reason for a bump stock ban, it will not save a single soul. And it will cause entrepreneurs to develop something else like usual.

 

[Rustic]

Should't it be Trump that is fuming, not Feinstein? This is his baby.

by the way...the 2nd covers arms, not accessories.

the bump stock itself is hardly worth fighting over. for the most part people just demand some form of victory, however useless it may be.

rubber bands will give the same effect. but people are in this for the "fight" not the "solution"; which is why we're still fighting over all this.

Bump stocks are a joke, but that’s not the point. The progressives, they want all out firearm confiscation.
Banning bump stocks will not save a single soul, it only provides for a slippery slope of An all out firearm confiscation

bumpstocks were banned because they increased the rate of fire, so now they have a precedent for anything else including semi auto's for that same reason,,,

we all know republicans hate the 2nd just as much as dems

You can do the same thing with a string or rubber band as a bump stock...

 

[Rustic]

Exact same TardLogic™.

LIBTARD: Guns just killed some more people. We must ban guns!

RUBE: Cars kill a lot more people than guns. So I guess we should ban them, too, right? Right? Right?

FOX NEWS: Some more Muslims just killed some more people. Every time any Muslim anywhere kills someone, we will be right here to tell you all about it, with doom music.

RUBE: WE MUST BAN MUSLIMS!!!

Firearms have no control over people

 

[Flash]

You are confused Moon Bat. Probably comes from you reading fake news.

As a range officer I see people using the bump stock for lawful recreational purposes. As far as I know of the hundreds of thousands that have been sold in this country the LV shooter is possibly the only person to ever use one to "cause carnage" and if he did then he was an idiot because he could have cause much more carnage with other weapon systems.

If anybody tried to use one in a crime they would be idiots because they are unreliable and extremely (and I emphasize the word extremely) inaccurate.

i would put this like banning the 150 round "double circle" ammo mag for the AR-15. i actually had one that was 100 or 150 and wow. it gets VERY heavy and jams from the first shot. so while it looks vicious anyone using it would be SOL cause it would be too heavy to effectively shoot and when you finally do shoot it, it jams.

I have hundreds of AR magazines. They are all 20 and 30 rounders. Some extended capacity magazines are reliable but most aren't. Besides it only takes a couple of seconds to change out either an AK or AR standard mag. You gain little or nothing having a 150 rd drum.

well that's my point. it's pure show. ban 'em and it wouldn't make a difference except to get mad they're banning something.

even 20/30 round generic mags can jam like crazy so it's never really worth it to save $10 or so on a generic one.

If we lived in a reasonable society without these hate stupid unreasonable Liberals then we could probably come to an agreement on what reasonable gun controls should be but that ain't gonna happen. As long as the Left is bat shit crazy like they are now then there will be no compromise.

I could give you several examples of what the filthy Left considers reasonable gun control that is very oppressive.

i know you could. i have to admit from my own PoV the left comes after anything and everything w/o reason or direction. just whatever is handy to scream at today, they want done and done now.

banning the bump stock is a "useless" victory. no one that i've been able to find has ever used them but they seem scary so we ban it. the left does tend to ban first and understand later.

ie - the senator from colorado who wanted to ban high capacity mags and thought once used they get thrown away. she and all who make this type of "error" needs to shut the fuck up when it comes to guns and gun laws. they simply don't know enough to make a decision that will really make the difference they're after.

they simply want to wave a "victory" flag to the anti-gun crowd and then go "damn" when the next shooting happens anyway.

I am a NRA Certified Firearms Instructor and Range Officer. Shooting, collecting and building firearms is my main recreational hobby. I shoot at least once a week sometimes two or three times. I spend a lot of my time at the range and around guns and other shooters. I teach firearm safety.

The stupid Left wing assholes that comes up with these stupid gun control laws have no idea what shooting is all about. They are working an agenda that has nothing to do with public safety.

Given the fact that there are hundreds of millions of guns in this country we have very little gun crime. Most of the gun crime in this country takes place among a small criminal element with these big city Democrat controlled shitholes and no gun control laws in this country will change that. Certainly not banning bump stocks or other silly laws like that.

 

[Rustic]

I’m always amazed how psycho righties are about the 2nd and how they wipe there ass with the rest of our rights .

Quit falling down well… Progressives disregard the second amendment and the tenth amendment

 

[Oddball]

This ban will do nothing to stop any future crime but it will create a new category of crime by having it illegal to own one.

There are hundreds of thousands of bump stocks in this country that have never been used in a crime and only one incident of it being used in a crime.

Hardly any reason to ban them. Why ban something for everybody because one person uses it illegally?

They are grossly ineffective as a tactical weapon and that is the reason the chance of them ever being used again is minimal.

This bump stock ban is absolutely bat shit crazy.

Shame on the vile and despicable Liberals for being stupid to think it will make us safer by doing away with our liberties.

Shame on the NRA for selling out its membership to support the ban.

Shame on Trump for going along with he ban.

Make that zero incidents of being used in a crime....The Vegas massacre was done with full-auto weapons, not ARs with bump stocks.

he had guns equipped with them but no evidence those are the ones he used that i have ever seen.

There's actually negative evidence that those were the weapons used.

ARs would have both jammed and their barrels would have burned up at the rates of fire necessary to have perpetrated that massacre.

 

[Rustic]

This ban will do nothing to stop any future crime but it will create a new category of crime by having it illegal to own one.

There are hundreds of thousands of bump stocks in this country that have never been used in a crime and only one incident of it being used in a crime.

Hardly any reason to ban them. Why ban something for everybody because one person uses it illegally?

They are grossly ineffective as a tactical weapon and that is the reason the chance of them ever being used again is minimal.

This bump stock ban is absolutely bat shit crazy.

Shame on the vile and despicable Liberals for being stupid to think it will make us safer by doing away with our liberties.

Shame on the NRA for selling out its membership to support the ban.

Shame on Trump for going along with he ban.

Make that zero incidents of being used in a crime....The Vegas massacre was done with full-auto weapons, not ARs with bump stocks.

he had guns equipped with them but no evidence those are the ones he used that i have ever seen.

There's actually negative evidence that those were the weapons used.

ARs would have both jammed and their barrels would have burned up at the rates of fire necessary to have perpetrated that massacre.

Yep ARs are just sporting rifles

 

[Flash]

This ban will do nothing to stop any future crime but it will create a new category of crime by having it illegal to own one.

There are hundreds of thousands of bump stocks in this country that have never been used in a crime and only one incident of it being used in a crime.

Hardly any reason to ban them. Why ban something for everybody because one person uses it illegally?

They are grossly ineffective as a tactical weapon and that is the reason the chance of them ever being used again is minimal.

This bump stock ban is absolutely bat shit crazy.

Shame on the vile and despicable Liberals for being stupid to think it will make us safer by doing away with our liberties.

Shame on the NRA for selling out its membership to support the ban.

Shame on Trump for going along with he ban.

Make that zero incidents of being used in a crime....The Vegas massacre was done with full-auto weapons, not ARs with bump stocks.

he had guns equipped with them but no evidence those are the ones he used that i have ever seen.

There's actually negative evidence that those were the weapons used.

ARs would have both jammed and their barrels would have burned up at the rates of fire necessary to have perpetrated that massacre.

You hit on a point that none of these Moon Bats really seem to understand about F-A weapons.

Hollywood has distorted the concept of F-A. It is not like they see in the movies. F-A in a normal production AR or AK is really difficult to maintain. That barrel will get up to 900 degrees real fast. Things start melting and cooking off with sustained F-A. That is why the military doesn't teach it as a doctrine in the M-4 platform. Somebody with an AK would be a fool to do combat mag dumps on F-A.

I have a Class III M-16. I would never go to the third magazine on F-A mag dumps. One is plenty, two is pushing it and three is too many.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Bump stock bans are feel good legislation You can make your own for under 5 bucks

 

[iceberg]

This ban will do nothing to stop any future crime but it will create a new category of crime by having it illegal to own one.

There are hundreds of thousands of bump stocks in this country that have never been used in a crime and only one incident of it being used in a crime.

Hardly any reason to ban them. Why ban something for everybody because one person uses it illegally?

They are grossly ineffective as a tactical weapon and that is the reason the chance of them ever being used again is minimal.

This bump stock ban is absolutely bat shit crazy.

Shame on the vile and despicable Liberals for being stupid to think it will make us safer by doing away with our liberties.

Shame on the NRA for selling out its membership to support the ban.

Shame on Trump for going along with he ban.

Make that zero incidents of being used in a crime....The Vegas massacre was done with full-auto weapons, not ARs with bump stocks.

he had guns equipped with them but no evidence those are the ones he used that i have ever seen.

There's actually negative evidence that those were the weapons used.

ARs would have both jammed and their barrels would have burned up at the rates of fire necessary to have perpetrated that massacre.

You hit on a point that none of these Moon Bats really seem to understand about F-A weapons.

Hollywood has distorted the concept of F-A. It is not like they see in the movies. F-A in a normal production AR or AK is really difficult to maintain. That barrel will get up to 900 degrees real fast. Things start melting and cooking off with sustained F-A. That is why the military doesn't teach it as a doctrine in the M-4 platform. Somebody with an AK would be a fool to do combat mag dumps on F-A.

I have a Class III M-16. I would never go to the third magazine on F-A mag dumps. One is plenty, two is pushing it and three is too many.

i got rid of my ar and got an ak simply due to how intensive keeping an ar clean is.

 

[Flash]

This ban will do nothing to stop any future crime but it will create a new category of crime by having it illegal to own one.

There are hundreds of thousands of bump stocks in this country that have never been used in a crime and only one incident of it being used in a crime.

Hardly any reason to ban them. Why ban something for everybody because one person uses it illegally?

They are grossly ineffective as a tactical weapon and that is the reason the chance of them ever being used again is minimal.

This bump stock ban is absolutely bat shit crazy.

Shame on the vile and despicable Liberals for being stupid to think it will make us safer by doing away with our liberties.

Shame on the NRA for selling out its membership to support the ban.

Shame on Trump for going along with he ban.

Make that zero incidents of being used in a crime....The Vegas massacre was done with full-auto weapons, not ARs with bump stocks.

he had guns equipped with them but no evidence those are the ones he used that i have ever seen.

There's actually negative evidence that those were the weapons used.

ARs would have both jammed and their barrels would have burned up at the rates of fire necessary to have perpetrated that massacre.

You hit on a point that none of these Moon Bats really seem to understand about F-A weapons.

Hollywood has distorted the concept of F-A. It is not like they see in the movies. F-A in a normal production AR or AK is really difficult to maintain. That barrel will get up to 900 degrees real fast. Things start melting and cooking off with sustained F-A. That is why the military doesn't teach it as a doctrine in the M-4 platform. Somebody with an AK would be a fool to do combat mag dumps on F-A.

I have a Class III M-16. I would never go to the third magazine on F-A mag dumps. One is plenty, two is pushing it and three is too many.

i got rid of my ar and got an ak simply due to how intensive keeping an ar clean is.

Both rifles require that the barrel be cleaned. No difference there. Both bolts will go about the same number of shots before getting gummed up.

Most 7.62 X 39 ammo is dirtier and less accurate than .223.

The only difference is that the AR uses hot gas in the receiver and the AK uses a piston. By the way, you have to keep that piston cleaned if you want to have reliable operation.

The AK has more lose tolerances that is both a plus and a minus.

AKs do fail. I am alive today because an AK failed many decades ago in a far away land.

The big failure on the AK is that terrible iron sight system. It is a point and shoot rifle, not an aim and shoot rifle. It is also not a very good scope platform if you chose to put a scope on it.

I did just the opposite of you. I got rid of my AKs for more ARs.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This ban will do nothing to stop any future crime but it will create a new category of crime by having it illegal to own one.

There are hundreds of thousands of bump stocks in this country that have never been used in a crime and only one incident of it being used in a crime.

Hardly any reason to ban them. Why ban something for everybody because one person uses it illegally?

They are grossly ineffective as a tactical weapon and that is the reason the chance of them ever being used again is minimal.

This bump stock ban is absolutely bat shit crazy.

Shame on the vile and despicable Liberals for being stupid to think it will make us safer by doing away with our liberties.

Shame on the NRA for selling out its membership to support the ban.

Shame on Trump for going along with he ban.

Make that zero incidents of being used in a crime....The Vegas massacre was done with full-auto weapons, not ARs with bump stocks.

he had guns equipped with them but no evidence those are the ones he used that i have ever seen.

There's actually negative evidence that those were the weapons used.

ARs would have both jammed and their barrels would have burned up at the rates of fire necessary to have perpetrated that massacre.

At the time I remember reading that's exactly what happened. The guns jammed and he kept having to switch to other ones. It's a hard case to follow because there was so much hush-hush about it. Unlike other cases, for some reason, they kept avoiding followup on the investigation.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Should't it be Trump that is fuming, not Feinstein? This is his baby.

by the way...the 2nd covers arms, not accessories.

Agreed. I'm very pro Second Amendment, supporting few restrictions, but I could care less about the bump stock ban. If that's the extent of the gun control we need to be concerned about then we're golden.

I have offered every one of my customers a complete refund on bump stocks they have Purchased from me... no one single person has contacted me.
And if the ban is denied I will give them back free of charge.

There no reason for a bump stock ban, it will not save a single soul. And it will cause entrepreneurs to develop something else like usual.

It's a dog and pony show by Trump to demonstrate he's not totally pro-gun. He has a limit.

Most people never heard of a bump stock before the LV shooting. It was never used in any crime before and never used in another crime since. It's simply feel good legislation that won't change a thing.