Learning the wrong lesson. Gun Control.

[BasicHumanUnit]

What we know is that semi-auto rifles with high capacity magazines have been used in our worst mass shootings. They kill lots of people really fast. Should be heavily regulated just like machine guns.

"Mass shootings"?

Drunk drivers kill WAY more people. Drug abuse kills WAY more people.

Your FAUX HYSTERIA is showing. (Or is it your love of dictators?)

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

And what that tells us is restricting the legal ownership of guns will have no effect on gun crimes

Except that "gun crimes" against The People committed by The State becomes much more likely.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

First of all the AR15 is not a military weapon,and second? Show me where separation of church and state is listed in the Constitution.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

The AR-15 is not a military weapon you loon its functionally no different than a semi-automatic .227 hunting rifle. Its like arguing with a brick with you people. You will not educate yourself on firearms and continuously make the same stupid ass comments.

What the heck do you call it. Its not a hunting rifle. If it is you had best go practice target shooting. I get it , I use to love to fire the M16 on the firing range, esp at night. Yes the AK 15 with most use for mass shootings is an "assault rifle".

In addition, the speed in which the AR cycles its bolt as compared to the manual cycling of a bolt-action means more potential shots on target or multiple shots effortlessly carried out on multiple targets.

“A semi-auto changed my life,” Eric Mayer, who runs AR15hunter.com, told Time Magazine. “I’m able to make the (shot) because I don’t have to run the bolt (and) lose the target in my scope.”Why hunters are trading in traditional hunting rifles for the AR-15

Here ya go dumbass...
AK15? Do realize how rare that firearm is?
Or are you such a dumbass you cant differentiate the AR15 and the AK47 ?

The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges."[16] In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]

• It must be capable of selective fire.
• It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, such as the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62x39mm and the 5.56x45mm NATO.
• Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.[5]
• It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).

Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles, despite frequently being called such.

For example:

• Select-fire M2 Carbines are not assault rifles; their effective range is only 200 yards.[17]
• Select-fire rifles such as the FN FAL battle rifle are not assault rifles; they fire full-powered rifle cartridges.
• Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.
• Semi-automatic-only rifles with fixed magazines like the SKS are not assault rifles; they do not have detachable box magazines and are not capable of automatic fire.

 

[hunarcy]

1. I have NEVER seen an AR-15 in a school.

I have -- I took one in for my science fair project my junior year.

Ah, before 1990, right?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Bet the time of AR/AK derivatives that can take large magazines is shrinking fast here. I approve.

The AR is the most popular rifle in America dumbass.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Gun Control that Actually Works

Address the point of large capacity detachable magazines on centrefire semi autos.

You appear to not know the intent of the 2nd amendment.

 

[M14 Shooter]

1. I have NEVER seen an AR-15 in a school.

I have -- I took one in for my science fair project my junior year.

Ah, before 1990, right?

1986, I believe.

 

[hunarcy]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

The AR-15 is not a military weapon you loon its functionally no different than a semi-automatic .227 hunting rifle. Its like arguing with a brick with you people. You will not educate yourself on firearms and continuously make the same stupid ass comments.

What the heck do you call it. Its not a hunting rifle. If it is you had best go practice target shooting. I get it , I use to love to fire the M16 on the firing range, esp at night. Yes the AK 15 with most use for mass shootings is an "assault rifle".

In addition, the speed in which the AR cycles its bolt as compared to the manual cycling of a bolt-action means more potential shots on target or multiple shots effortlessly carried out on multiple targets.

“A semi-auto changed my life,” Eric Mayer, who runs AR15hunter.com, told Time Magazine. “I’m able to make the (shot) because I don’t have to run the bolt (and) lose the target in my scope.”Why hunters are trading in traditional hunting rifles for the AR-15

Unless you are in Russia, Armenia or Qatar, you've probably never seen an AK 15. There's never been a mass shooting that was committed with an AK 15.

 

[hunarcy]

1. I have NEVER seen an AR-15 in a school.

I have -- I took one in for my science fair project my junior year.

Ah, before 1990, right?

1986, I believe.

Cool! Before my time, but I'd love to have seen it.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I could misapply the famous Ben Franklin quote here, but why? Let’s get to dealing with truth.

There were several reasons why the Second Amendment was passed. People tend to fixate on one, or another, of the reasons. But as I said above, we are dealing with truth. The Truth is that the Founders wanted to insure that this nation could never be invaded by a foreign power. They had just won a war where the Militia, that is to say the citizens who took up personal arms to fight the enemy, had played a major part. So yes, the idea that an armed population would be difficult to defeat was a part of the calculation.

But there is more. The Founders also knew that man was capable of a lot of things, good and bad. They knew that the Kings of Europe got power by subjugation of the population. An armed population would insure that the American Government would never be able to subjugate the citizens.

Yes, there is even more. The Founders also realized that there would be dangers in the frontiers, where threats to survival existed, in two legged, and four legged form.

I could type for a hour giving you all the various reasons that the Second Amendment was proposed, approved, and ratified. But here is another truth. None of those reasons matter to the anti gun people.

This is where your Patriotism comes into question. The desire to Support and Defend the Constitution, not just parts of it, but all of it. It is my almost certainly arrogant opinion that supposed Christians who attack someone claiming that God hates this, or that, from the Bible, are not truly Christian. They have to deal with the entire Bible, not just the portion they are quoting. They have to understand the message behind the Bible, and the lessons of God’s love, and His desires. They miss that message when they pick one small phrase out of a billion and run with it.

There was an episode of Major Dad that comes to mind. The High School of his oldest Step Daughter had established a Dress Code. The Daughter wrote an article for the School Newspaper critical of the policy. Major Dad went in to meet with the Teacher and discuss the article. The teacher asked several questions, and the Marine Major agreed that rules mattered, and it was incumbent upon people to obey the rules, and dress codes mattered. Then the Teacher said. “So I can see you agree that this article should not be published.” To this the Major said No Ma’am. He explained that somewhere in the school was a Civics Textbook, and in the book was the First Amendment, including Freedom of the press. He had sworn an oath to support and defend the constitution. All of it. Including the right of the press to write articles that were controversial.

That is my feelings towards the Constitution. I believe it all matters. Not just a bit here, or there. But every single line, and every single right. Even if the person using the right, or claiming it, is someone I disagree with. It does not matter. The individual, or the event, is not, and never can be, greater than the right for the future. No matter how horrific the act might be, the larger question, the Constitution, must endure.

So those who say they Love America, but hate the Second Amendment, and try to find ways to chip away at it, do not love this nation. Limiting rights is not the American way. It is not the purpose of the Constitution. It is not the reason the document has soul. It is our dedication to those rights that determines the future. Because Democracy is not what we have. Democracy is where a group votes to take from the individual. We have a Republic. That is where the rights of the Individual, matter more than the desires of the group. The right of the individual to denounce the Government they disapprove of, is sacrosanct. It is sacred. It must be defended by the majority, even if, especially if, they disagree with what the individual is saying.

The same is true of the Second Amendment. If you enjoy your rights, you must be willing to defend the rights of the people you disagree with. When I hear someone saying something that I disagree with, or is insulting. The first thing I think is Thank God for the First Amendment. When I hear that someone has bought a gun, I think Thank God for the Second Amendment. When a Judge throws out Evidence that is gotten illegally, and a criminal walks free. I think Thank God. Because those rights are being eroded far too fast now. And we need to push back, or none of us will have any rights at all. And that will be the death of America.

The FF's were more afraid of a Govt. take over than they were someone invading the US.

Very smart long thinking men.

We have the second because at the time we had no standing army. That's it. They sure weren't worried about tyrants, it's a government of the people. They set us up so we wouldn't have tyrants. The second was to defend the country, which is no longer needed now we have the most powerful army in the world.

Another who doesnt know the intent of the 2nd.
Are you stupid or are you just pretending?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

They are as rifles of any kind are used in about 2% of all murders so semiautomatic rifles are not the problem

Really? So you'd agree that handguns are a problem as they are used in about half of all homicides in the US? You're more likely to see your way clear to banning them as they're such a problem?

Half?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So, it seems nothing should be done about AR/AK derivatives as rifles are not a problem. Similarly, nothing should be done about handguns as they are a problem.

So if handguns are the problem why aren't you lefist going after them instead of sporting rifles?

 

[M14 Shooter]

1. I have NEVER seen an AR-15 in a school.

I have -- I took one in for my science fair project my junior year.

Ah, before 1990, right?

1986, I believe.

Cool! Before my time, but I'd love to have seen it.

It was a carbine, which as pretty rare in those days. 6 position stock. Colt, of course.

 

[M14 Shooter]

So, it seems nothing should be done about AR/AK derivatives as rifles are not a problem. Similarly, nothing should be done about handguns as they are a problem.

So if handguns are the problem why aren't you lefist going after them instead of sporting rifles?

Because they know they cannot ban handguns.
The also know that if they lie enough about the AR15, they MIGHT be able to get it banned.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

YEs we should ban everything capable of killing 50 or more people at a time

2016 Nice truck attack - Wikipedia

Trucks can easily be defended against with barriers. Heck I'm sitting on the second floor of this building here and have no worries about trucks. AR15s however are impossible to defend against.

You wont get shot sitting on the second floor unless you let the shooter in your home

People get shot in their homes all the time.
Woman shot in both feet while laying in bed in Connecticut

By stray bullets it doesn't matter what type of gun it comes from

So you aren't safe in your home. And it's easy to sneak guns into public places as we have seen. So your truck example is dismissed.

I'm plenty safe in my home.
And you bet it's easy to sneak guns into public places,especially gun free zones.

 

[hunarcy]

1. I have NEVER seen an AR-15 in a school.

I have -- I took one in for my science fair project my junior year.

Ah, before 1990, right?

1986, I believe.

Cool! Before my time, but I'd love to have seen it.

It was a carbine, which as pretty rare in those days. 6 position stock. Colt, of course.

Nice. What did you make on the project?

 

[hunarcy]

So, it seems nothing should be done about AR/AK derivatives as rifles are not a problem. Similarly, nothing should be done about handguns as they are a problem.

So if handguns are the problem why aren't you lefist going after them instead of sporting rifles?

Because they know they cannot ban handguns.
The also know that if they lie enough about the AR15, they MIGHT be able to get it banned.

They are trying to set the precedent. THEN, they'll go after all of them.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

The AR-15 is not a military weapon you loon its functionally no different than a semi-automatic .227 hunting rifle. Its like arguing with a brick with you people. You will not educate yourself on firearms and continuously make the same stupid ass comments.

What the heck do you call it. Its not a hunting rifle. If it is you had best go practice target shooting. I get it , I use to love to fire the M16 on the firing range, esp at night. Yes the AK 15 with most use for mass shootings is an "assault rifle".

In addition, the speed in which the AR cycles its bolt as compared to the manual cycling of a bolt-action means more potential shots on target or multiple shots effortlessly carried out on multiple targets.

“A semi-auto changed my life,” Eric Mayer, who runs AR15hunter.com, told Time Magazine. “I’m able to make the (shot) because I don’t have to run the bolt (and) lose the target in

my scope.”Why hunters are trading in traditional hunting rifles for the AR-15

AK 15?

Just STFU with your ignorance, pls.

There is such a weapon but we all know she just fucked up.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Who gives a fuck about your semantic games? Semi automatics that can take large magazines are running out of time here. I approve.

Similarly, you must therefore approve of the murders of innocent women and children in Venezuela by Dictator Maduro's troops because that Socialist / Fascist regime systematically disarmed the Venezuelan people prior to grabbing power.

Once disarmed, it was super easy for the now Fascist government to use armed force against the Venezuelan people in enforcing it's oppressive command over them.
Millions have gone on to suffer and many have died, because they were not able to fight back against fascism and tyranny.

So, at the end of the day, the truth is that you don't "give a fuck" about the lives of others. You couldn't care less that to make you feel a false sense of security, you'll willfully risk everything....including the lives of millions. The Founding Fathers knew that tyranny is a natural occurrence of evil people....and immeasurably stupid people.

You said a mouthful when you say "I approve".....Clearly, you approve of tyranny and Fascism. That, or you're simply too much of an indoctrinated imbecile to understand how things work.

Yep..
And it only took six years after the ban for the government to put their boot on the citizens neck.