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You cannot broadcast images is students without parent permission and it was that way all 21 years I taught in multiple school districts across two states and the Department of Defense.I didnt make the claim, you didWhy should I prove it? You make the claim, and it is YOUR responsibility to prove your assertions are correct.
And you tried to back it up but failed
There is no law preventing parents from having cameras in the classroom
They are empty talking points because you are just saying them and not backing them up with anything of substance. And linking to a right wing commentator ranting about CRT does not count as substance. Point to something that is actually from CRT or something that was actually assigned or discussed in school and then we can talk.First of all that's not empty talking points.
Thank you for finally attempting to give an answer... Just please be specific and cite something from the actual curriculum as I don't believe empty talking points.
And, secondly .... CRT is not always put in the curriculum. It is considered a "practice" ...
Lawmakers in multiple states are considering bills on limiting how teachers can discuss racism and sexism because it's not just something that can be removed from a curriculum.
I explained to you what CRT is.They are empty talking points because you are just saying them and not backing them up with anything of substance. And linking to a right wing commentator ranting about CRT does not count as substance. Point to something that is actually from CRT or something that was actually assigned or discussed in school and then we can talk.
Hopefully,Was there something more you wanted me to get out of it besides a chuckle?
Hyper partisans on both sides are creating bills for political reasons so they can rally up a base, make money and win elections. It is rare that I hear anybody dig beneath the surface talking points and actually discuss a topic... This includes our law makers who only seem interested in posturing.I explained to you what CRT is.They are empty talking points because you are just saying them and not backing them up with anything of substance. And linking to a right wing commentator ranting about CRT does not count as substance. Point to something that is actually from CRT or something that was actually assigned or discussed in school and then we can talk.
I don't care if you do not believe me.
What I described to you is a serious problem in this Country. Serious enough to prompt half of the States in this Country to introduce bills to restrict teaching critical race theory or limit how teachers can discuss racism and sexism.
What was the point you were trying to make?Hopefully,Was there something more you wanted me to get out of it besides a chuckle?
Bit if thats the best you can do then oh well
If you say it it must me soYou cannot broadcast images is students without parent permission and it was that way all 21 years I taught in multiple school districts across two states and the Department of Defense.
First of all ...Hyper partisans on both sides are creating bills for political reasons so they can rally up a base, make money and win elections. It is rare that I hear anybody dig beneath the surface talking points and actually discuss a topic... This includes our law makers who only seem interested in posturing.
You explained what you think CRT is and I understand why you are so against it. But I can't just take your word on it. If I told you CRT contained a roadmap to everlasting life and the kingdom of heaven. Would you just believe me? No, you would ask me to show you the how, where and why. You aren't showing me the how, where, and why.... You are just claiming that it as you claim it is which tells me you haven't really looked at what it is you are just a media puppet.
You wondered why John and myself object to CRT and I pointed it out to you from an other than rightwing sourceWhat was the point you were trying to make?
My own research is what I'm currently doing. Part of that is asking people who are staunch opponents why they are opposing it and what exactly is offending them. Nobody has yet been able to point to anything specific thats actually from it or the curriculum based on it. That just shows that you doing know what you're talking about.First of all ...Hyper partisans on both sides are creating bills for political reasons so they can rally up a base, make money and win elections. It is rare that I hear anybody dig beneath the surface talking points and actually discuss a topic... This includes our law makers who only seem interested in posturing.
You explained what you think CRT is and I understand why you are so against it. But I can't just take your word on it. If I told you CRT contained a roadmap to everlasting life and the kingdom of heaven. Would you just believe me? No, you would ask me to show you the how, where and why. You aren't showing me the how, where, and why.... You are just claiming that it as you claim it is which tells me you haven't really looked at what it is you are just a media puppet.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say I don't think you have read any of the introduced bills to protect children from CRT in any of the states that have proposed them, so your claim that they are created based hyper partisan political reasons is meaningless.
And, secondly I have already told you I don't care if you believe me or not what CRT is.
Here's an original thought.
How about you do your own research on what CRT is.
You posted a summary from an encyclopedia website. That has nothing to do with what is being taught in schools. y'all tried to make this argument earlier in this thread and I'll repeat my response.You wondered why John and myself object to CRT and I pointed it out to you from an other than rightwing sourceWhat was the point you were trying to make?
Every school room can contain a different version depending on the teacher and school districtYou posted a summary from an encyclopedia website. That has nothing to do with what is being taught in schools. y'all tried to make this argument earlier in this thread and I'll repeat my response.You wondered why John and myself object to CRT and I pointed it out to you from an other than rightwing sourceWhat was the point you were trying to make?
You argument is akin to me posting a Brittanica summary of the holocaust and saying this is a horrible thing and therefore should not be taught in schools. Of course it should be taught in schools, it is part of our history. You're argument is silly on its face.
Now if there are elements being taught that you do not think are true then lay out what those are or just pick one and we can discuss. So far all I've heard is fluff and ignorant partisan talking points.
Are any doing that? If so can you show how?Every school room can contain a different version depending on the teacher and school districtYou posted a summary from an encyclopedia website. That has nothing to do with what is being taught in schools. y'all tried to make this argument earlier in this thread and I'll repeat my response.You wondered why John and myself object to CRT and I pointed it out to you from an other than rightwing sourceWhat was the point you were trying to make?
You argument is akin to me posting a Brittanica summary of the holocaust and saying this is a horrible thing and therefore should not be taught in schools. Of course it should be taught in schools, it is part of our history. You're argument is silly on its face.
Now if there are elements being taught that you do not think are true then lay out what those are or just pick one and we can discuss. So far all I've heard is fluff and ignorant partisan talking points.
But if it emphasis white privilege and ongoing racism aimed at holding black people down its unacceptable
I can after we put cameras in the classroomsIf so can you show how?
If you say it it must me soYou cannot broadcast images is students without parent permission and it was that way all 21 years I taught in multiple school districts across two states and the Department of Defense.
Shame on me and my lying eyes
Oh gotcha. You can't show an issue happening now, you want cameras so you can make sure that it doesn't happen in the future and so you can get proof when it does. But as of now you have no evidence that there is a problem, you are just being safe and taking preventative measures... Is that correct?I can after we put cameras in the classroomsIf so can you show how?
You have some links to the curriculum to prove this "teaching children that, depending what 'group' you belong in, you're either an oppressor or a victimized", right?I don't know much about CRT which is why I'm asking about it. I see people like you all up in a frenzy about it so I'm asking for specifics about what is actually being taught to kids in School and I'm getting no answers. It seems like you don't even know what you're actually mad about except for an excuse to attack "lefties"Do you deny that CRT has a Racist agenda.That dude is the king of not having a clue about anything he tries and argue about. Sorry Johhnyboy, if you can’t back your shit up then you aren’t playing the game. No respect for anything you say when you play that way.
That it teaches children that America is a Racist Nation and that ALL White Americans have White Privilege?
Do you deny that this is harmful for children?
That among other things is what is being alleged.
Let's try it this way.
How about you back up your on shit and prove those allegations are false and that thousands of parents across this Country are wrong about CRT.
Some people think it's simply teaching about the history of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, civil rights, but it's not. It's teaching children that, depending what "group" you belong in, you're either an oppressor or a victimized. It's moralizing to a degree that teachers have no right to do, IMO. Children's identities are too fragile, for one. For another, it's simply not our job.
We SHOULD and we DO teach US history--including the parts that are tragic and regrettable. IMO children should take the hard questions about "what's happening now" home and interpret that though a familial lens. Again, that's just not my job.
Big Brother government supporter.I didn't dodge shit motherfucker. If I run a red light and get a ticket that's on me.You're really gonna double down on your retarded argument. How many of those cameras that you say are everywhere are automatically sending you tickets for speeding, not using your blinker, failing to wear your seatbelt?! You and I both know they aren’t doing that and we both know that’s what I’m asking you about. Stop trying to dodge the question with false analogies.You don't know what you're talking about. We have so many cameras that ANY ACCIDENT has a live feed available immediately. Even in the Suburbs where I live. We had a high speed chase that ended in fatalities on my closest main road and they had a live feed.Ok so then is it fair to say that you support them? And don’t even try to claim that you already have the traffic cams surveillance that I laid out. It’s not already there. There are some red light cams and some speeding cams in very select areas. Tech is nearly there where we could cover all the roadways and give tickets for all traffic violations. Do you want that? Thumbs up from Gramps?I answered it. They are already there and have zero impact on me. How do I feel? Indifferent. If someone can show me that they are being abused for nefarious reasons THEN I might care.I wasn’t making a point I was asking you a question. Care to answer it?They're already full of cameras so whats your point? We have cameras EVERYWHERE here in the metro. All over every intersection and up and down the highways. I have yet to be issued a ticked because of them.You have every right to support a big brother state. It’s ridiculous and laughable in my opinion. How do you feel about lining our PUBLIC roadways with cameras that sends tickets for traffic violations? Sound good to ya?My house is not a public facility ya moron. And her arguments are moot. There is no law prohibiting cameras in the classroom. That was the basis for her argument and she was 100% wrong. So wrong in fact there are already some schools with cameras in the classroomShe just presented several valid arguments. How about we put cams in you house to make sure there’s no domestic abuse going on. How do you feel about that?If I have a child in a classroom I have every right to see a feed of that classroom just like parents are allowed to sit in on classrooms.Schools are already full of security cameras so I dunno wtf you're talking about.Cameras in a class room. Infringe on the child's freedom & liberty how EXACTLY?Hahahaha, the party of small government, personal Liberty and freedom wants to put cameras in classrooms?! Are you shitting me?! What a bunch of unprincipled idiotsLeftists Freak Out at the Thought of Cameras Exposing Fanatical CRT Teachers
7 Jul 2021 ~~ By John Nolte
Nolte: Leftists Freak Out at the Thought of Cameras Exposing Fanatical CRT Teachers
The far-left HuffPost is freaking over Tucker Carlson's suggestion that cameras be placed in public school classrooms.www.breitbart.com
The far-left HuffPost is freaking over Tucker Carlson’s suggestion that cameras be placed in public school classrooms.
“Tucker Carlson Goes Full ‘1984’ With ‘Cameras In The Classroom’ Proposal,” screams the left-wing outlet’s headline.
“The Fox News personality suggested police-style body cameras to check on what every teacher is telling their students,” the sub-headline reads.
“Carlson, in a rant reminiscent of something from George Orwell’s classic dystopian novel ‘1984,’” author Lee Moran bleats, “called the teaching that racism is at least partly systemic… a ‘civilization-ending poison’ and ‘B.S.’”
Before we go any further… I’ve read 1984 at least three times and am unfamiliar with anything Tucker said that is “reminiscent of something from George Orwell’s classic dystopian novel[.]”
In fact, Tucker’s suggestion is the exact opposite of “something from George Orwell’s classic dystopian novel[.]” Tucker is suggesting we monitor the government. 1984 is about (among other things) the government monitoring private citizens. So Moran got his metaphor exactly wrong, which tells me he’s probably a product of government-run public schools.
Regardless, he huffs on, “He warned ‘we can’t really be sure’ how far it is being spread until ‘we finally get cameras in the classroom, as we put them on the chests of police officers.’”
What I found interesting about this piece is that other than screaming 1984!!!, no case or argument is made against the idea of cameras in government-run public school classrooms.
Is there one?
Is there a good argument against this kind of accountability and transparency?
~Snip~
The real issue here is just how brazenly public school teachers have become when it comes to teaching our kids pretty much everything but what they need to know. Leftists are never happier than when they’ve insinuated themselves between parent and child. Too many schools can’t teach kids to read or write, but they are sure teaching them to hate their country and all about “demi-sexuality.”
Tucker’s smart to bring this up, to make it part of the national conversation. Teachers and their evil unions are going to have a hard time explaining why they oppose such a thing. They will be on defense, which is exactly where they belong.
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Cameras would certainly expose incompetence, along with indoctrination and its techniques, favoritism, laziness, CRT, anything BLM, gay rights, religion bashing, white guilt/privilege advancement, etc.
Easy to see why Progressive Marxist/DSA Commies oppose this.
What have the teachers got to hide? We are in the age of Zoom and zero in-class learning. Stick a camera in the corner so those students who wish to work from home and via Zoom can. Oh, and you need to record the classes in case the student was out for some reason. All the better if the parents can review what is being taught in class.
If we demand body-cams for cops, why not cameras in the classroom?
The only thing it would infringe on is the teachers ability to do something they shouldn't be doing. Cameras would foster a safer environment.
And cameras would have zero impact on the size of government.
Simply install the camera and give every parent the pass code to view it anytime they want.
There is NO LOGICAL REASON to oppose this.
Other parents in the class do not have a right to see or witness a child get disciplined. To see a child get special help from a paraprofessional. Both of those situations are under privacy laws, specifically. Moreover, you are probably completely ignorant of the fact that many children have "no media" documents signed that say, mostly due to custody issues, they cannot be photographed or filmed FOR ANY REASON.
The general ignorance surrounding this issue....
In the hallways, with no audio, where students are moving quickly. Not where students are learning, are stationary, and more private information pertaining to grades and discipline is going on.
Sorry, you don't have the right to all that private information about everyone else's kids.
ETA: And of course, no one outside the district has access to those cameras unless there's a huge issue. Parents can't "give a code" and peep in, and say, figure out if a kid they don't have custody of is in the building.
You have no valid arguments against cameras with pass codes available to parents.
I have no expectation of privacy on a public road anymore than a child in a classroom full of other people should.
YOU are the one moving the fucking goal posts. This thread is about cameras in the classroom but because my points on that subject were 100% correct you divert.
Fuck off
Doesn't change the FACT that you are a Big Brother, Big Government supporter.
I respectfully disagree
And yet, you want government to put I Spy cameras in classrooms.
Yes I do
Big Brother
I don't trust people like you
Link where it says that in the curriculum.CRT teaches not only that ALL White Americans are Racist but, that Western Civilization itself is Racist.I don't know much about CRT which is why I'm asking about it. I see people like you all up in a frenzy about it so I'm asking for specifics about what is actually being taught to kids in School and I'm getting no answers. It seems like you don't even know what you're actually mad about except for an excuse to attack "lefties"
Link where it says that in the curriculum.CRT teaches that racism is present in every aspect of life, every relationship, and every interaction.
You have to prove that's what's really going on first.....or are you just Klansplaining?Does this sound like something children should be indoctrinated with to you?
It's not in the curriculum dumbass ...You have some links to the curriculum to prove this "teaching children that, depending what 'group' you belong in, you're either an oppressor or a victimized", right?
