Leftists owe the rest of us an explanation for the Florida shooting

[Faun]

We banned guns from schools, just like you wanted. Even people with concealed carry permits trained to use their guns safely didn't have them. And your plan worked. No one had a gun and was able to defend themselves and shoot back. And 17 people died because of it.

You owe us an explanation. What is wrong with your plan? Why isn't it working?

Maybe you can ask your drug dealer why banning guns doesn't work the next time you buy a doobie ...

The republicans owe the country an explanation why they keep fighting for average citizens to own military style assault weapons.
Thankfully the kids are fighting back and winning the debate.
They are articulate, motivated and know what it’s like to be on the receiving end of an AR -15.

David Hogg: We will outlive the NRA

Those kids aren't "fighting back," they are being used by their leftist parents for cheap political points. Just watch the CNN town hall debacle. Leftists know exactly what you are doing.

Now back to your safe space, snowflake

Dayam, are you ever fucking nuts.

These kids are indeed fighting back; they were the ones attacked. CNN is merely providing them a national platform to ensure their voices are heard.

No, CNN is using them like ignorant little tools to advance an agenda. If they were "providing a national forum", we'd be hearing from all the kids on the other side of the argument. And no, the fact that you leftists avoid acknowledging them does NOT mean they don't exist.

Utter nonsense. CNN is reporting the news, not making it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

We banned guns from schools, just like you wanted. Even people with concealed carry permits trained to use their guns safely didn't have them. And your plan worked. No one had a gun and was able to defend themselves and shoot back. And 17 people died because of it.

You owe us an explanation. What is wrong with your plan? Why isn't it working?

Maybe you can ask your drug dealer why banning guns doesn't work the next time you buy a doobie ...

The republicans owe the country an explanation why they keep fighting for average citizens to own military style assault weapons.
Thankfully the kids are fighting back and winning the debate.
They are articulate, motivated and know what it’s like to be on the receiving end of an AR -15.

David Hogg: We will outlive the NRA

Those kids aren't "fighting back," they are being used by their leftist parents for cheap political points. Just watch the CNN town hall debacle. Leftists know exactly what you are doing.

Now back to your safe space, snowflake

Dayam, are you ever fucking nuts.

These kids are indeed fighting back; they were the ones attacked. CNN is merely providing them a national platform to ensure their voices are heard.

No, CNN is using them like ignorant little tools to advance an agenda. If they were "providing a national forum", we'd be hearing from all the kids on the other side of the argument. And no, the fact that you leftists avoid acknowledging them does NOT mean they don't exist.

Utter nonsense. CNN is reporting the news, not making it.

What's it like, being that willfully gullible?

 

[Dragonlady]

The republicans owe the country an explanation why they keep fighting for average citizens to own military style assault weapons.
Thankfully the kids are fighting back and winning the debate.
They are articulate, motivated and know what it’s like to be on the receiving end of an AR -15.

David Hogg: We will outlive the NRA

Those kids aren't "fighting back," they are being used by their leftist parents for cheap political points. Just watch the CNN town hall debacle. Leftists know exactly what you are doing.

Now back to your safe space, snowflake

Dayam, are you ever fucking nuts.

These kids are indeed fighting back; they were the ones attacked. CNN is merely providing them a national platform to ensure their voices are heard.

No, CNN is using them like ignorant little tools to advance an agenda. If they were "providing a national forum", we'd be hearing from all the kids on the other side of the argument. And no, the fact that you leftists avoid acknowledging them does NOT mean they don't exist.

Utter nonsense. CNN is reporting the news, not making it.

What's it like, being that willfully gullible?

Well you would be the one to know the answer to that question. We don’t fall for conservatives parents who lie to FOX News with doctored emails to smear CNN.

And you fell for it.

 

[Faun]

The republicans owe the country an explanation why they keep fighting for average citizens to own military style assault weapons.
Thankfully the kids are fighting back and winning the debate.
They are articulate, motivated and know what it’s like to be on the receiving end of an AR -15.

David Hogg: We will outlive the NRA

Those kids aren't "fighting back," they are being used by their leftist parents for cheap political points. Just watch the CNN town hall debacle. Leftists know exactly what you are doing.

Now back to your safe space, snowflake

Dayam, are you ever fucking nuts.

These kids are indeed fighting back; they were the ones attacked. CNN is merely providing them a national platform to ensure their voices are heard.

No, CNN is using them like ignorant little tools to advance an agenda. If they were "providing a national forum", we'd be hearing from all the kids on the other side of the argument. And no, the fact that you leftists avoid acknowledging them does NOT mean they don't exist.

Utter nonsense. CNN is reporting the news, not making it.

What's it like, being that willfully gullible?

I dunno, why don’t you tell me?

 

[NoNukes]

Why do you not need similar defence in other countries?

There are a lot of other countries. Actually, in many countries you need the same or more defense. You have to be more specific than a sweeping, shallow question

Speaking of sweeping and shallow.

You make a shallow statement about "other countries" when there are 150+ other countries besides the United States which are very different.

And what's shallow to you is pointing out it's shallow to lump every country other than the United States together?

You aren't even American, are you, stupid bitch? And you're saying your country is like Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Laos and Ecuador? Seriously?

What a dumb ass

What an idiotic reply, I must have really touched a nerve. Tough for you to realize how wrong you are.

Wow, and NoNukes goes nuclear. You really lost it, gay boy. Calm down. Try holding a paper bag over your mouth. Or better yet, a plastic one over your head. BTW, thanks for your concern over my feelings, but I don't care how you feel about how I feel.

Back to reality. You lumped the entire world together and asked "Why do you not need similar defence in other countries?" You think the US is violent and scary and the entire rest of the world is not, which is asininely stupid.

First of all, you need a lot more defense than gun ownership in a whole lot of the world than you do in the US. And there are a whole lot of countries left and they span the globe and are very different.

Yet in your shallow understanding engulfed in your fog of stupidity, you asked why we need guns here and no one else does.

That's just stupid

It is a very legitimate question, you just cannot answer it.

 

[kaz]

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So you admit the ACLU and NAACP and NOW are "extremist" groups? Interesting

 

[kaz]

We banned guns from schools, just like you wanted. Even people with concealed carry permits trained to use their guns safely didn't have them. And your plan worked. No one had a gun and was able to defend themselves and shoot back. And 17 people died because of it.

You owe us an explanation. What is wrong with your plan? Why isn't it working?

Maybe you can ask your drug dealer why banning guns doesn't work the next time you buy a doobie ...

The republicans owe the country an explanation why they keep fighting for average citizens to own military style assault weapons.
Thankfully the kids are fighting back and winning the debate.
They are articulate, motivated and know what it’s like to be on the receiving end of an AR -15.

David Hogg: We will outlive the NRA

Those kids aren't "fighting back," they are being used by their leftist parents for cheap political points. Just watch the CNN town hall debacle. Leftists know exactly what you are doing.

Now back to your safe space, snowflake

One father is in the military another is a policeman. THOSE leftist parents?
You’re an idiot.

You think there aren't leftists in the military or on the police force?

You're an idiot

 

[kaz]

Those kids aren't "fighting back," they are being used by their leftist parents for cheap political points. Just watch the CNN town hall debacle. Leftists know exactly what you are doing.

Now back to your safe space, snowflake

Dayam, are you ever fucking nuts.

These kids are indeed fighting back; they were the ones attacked. CNN is merely providing them a national platform to ensure their voices are heard.

No, CNN is using them like ignorant little tools to advance an agenda. If they were "providing a national forum", we'd be hearing from all the kids on the other side of the argument. And no, the fact that you leftists avoid acknowledging them does NOT mean they don't exist.

Utter nonsense. CNN is reporting the news, not making it.

What's it like, being that willfully gullible?

Well you would be the one to know the answer to that question. We don’t fall for conservatives parents who lie to FOX News with doctored emails to smear CNN.

And you fell for it.

No, you fall for leftists parents who lie to CNN with doctored emails to smear Fox News

 

[kaz]

There are a lot of other countries. Actually, in many countries you need the same or more defense. You have to be more specific than a sweeping, shallow question

Speaking of sweeping and shallow.

You make a shallow statement about "other countries" when there are 150+ other countries besides the United States which are very different.

And what's shallow to you is pointing out it's shallow to lump every country other than the United States together?

You aren't even American, are you, stupid bitch? And you're saying your country is like Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Laos and Ecuador? Seriously?

What a dumb ass

What an idiotic reply, I must have really touched a nerve. Tough for you to realize how wrong you are.

Wow, and NoNukes goes nuclear. You really lost it, gay boy. Calm down. Try holding a paper bag over your mouth. Or better yet, a plastic one over your head. BTW, thanks for your concern over my feelings, but I don't care how you feel about how I feel.

Back to reality. You lumped the entire world together and asked "Why do you not need similar defence in other countries?" You think the US is violent and scary and the entire rest of the world is not, which is asininely stupid.

First of all, you need a lot more defense than gun ownership in a whole lot of the world than you do in the US. And there are a whole lot of countries left and they span the globe and are very different.

Yet in your shallow understanding engulfed in your fog of stupidity, you asked why we need guns here and no one else does.

That's just stupid

It is a very legitimate question, you just cannot answer it.

You asked me to compare the US to every region and country in the entire world. Ask a better question. I'm not writing you an essay. As I keep pointing out, it's a big, diverse world. North Korea is nothing like the Netherlands

 

[The Derp]

[I hear you. It's not like you could ask say any random High Schooler to get drugs for you. No wait, actually you can ...Great security there. So you going to trust the lives of your family on the probability that someone who wants a gun can't get one?

Sigh...then don't have laws at all, then. No laws on the books for anything. Since some people aren't going to follow the laws, why have any laws...right?

 

[The Derp]

I agree, which is why I'm a libertarian.

Libertarians are like house cats; convinced of their own independence yet wholly dependent on others to survive.

I don't know what that means. Then again, neither do you

It means "libertarians" are just posturing.

 

[kaz]

[I hear you. It's not like you could ask say any random High Schooler to get drugs for you. No wait, actually you can ...Great security there. So you going to trust the lives of your family on the probability that someone who wants a gun can't get one?

Sigh...then don't have laws at all, then. No laws on the books for anything. Since some people aren't going to follow the laws, why have any laws...right?

That's a completely idiotic comparison.

Why have a law against murder when not every murderer gets caught? Because you want to punish the ones who do.

To compare that to the argument why have gun laws if criminals can get guns anyway is just a false equivalency.

 

[kaz]

I agree, which is why I'm a libertarian.

Libertarians are like house cats; convinced of their own independence yet wholly dependent on others to survive.

I don't know what that means. Then again, neither do you

It means "libertarians" are just posturing.

That isn't what it means. It was just gibberish.

Your comparison between libertarians and cats is inane. Are you another brain dead leftist who thinks libertarians are anarchists?

Cats will die if you don't feed them.

Libertarians support government, roads, courts, police, military, the basics. We support and pay the taxes to provide them. We just oppose the socialist State that you are fighting for.

That again is a false equivalency. You're not very bright. I guess you realized that when you picked your user name

 

[The Derp]

That's a completely idiotic comparison.

It's not a comparison, it's a hyperbole. It's hyperbole because your argument is that criminals break laws anyway, so new laws won't do anything to stop them from acting like criminals. That's your argument against any new gun laws, isn't it?

I wouldn't know how to even find the "black market", let alone safely purchase a gun from it. I think you people overstate the simplicity and ease, while downplaying the risk.

Why have a law against murder when not every murderer gets caught? Because you want to punish the ones who do.

So then why won't new laws on guns prevent people from getting them and using them to inflict mass casualties?

To compare that to the argument why have gun laws if criminals can get guns anyway is just a false equivalency.

It's your argument. You're the one who made it, not me. My argument isn't that we shouldn't have gun laws; that's the argument you were making.

 

[emilynghiem]

Meanwhile give the guard a fucking rifle, before trying billions of dollars worth of legislation and maybe put more than one there. Can't we try simple fixes before starting a bunch of histerical moves and spending tme and money where it does not need to be! Why all of a sudden does every problem need to be adressed with such out landish over kill response. What happened to tweaking what we have instead of starting all over?

The FBI dropped the ball on passing along information to local authorities

The local authorities dropped the ball on doing anything about a kid who had the cops called on him 39 times

The social worker dropped the ball on declaring the kid psycho and detaining him for evaluation

The deputy assigned to the school dropped the ball on entering when the shooting started

Three more deputies arrived and dropped the same ball

You/the left dropped the ball on believing you can keep 300 million guns from one psycho

You/the left dropped the ball on believing we can have no southern border and keep guns out of the hands of psychos

You/the left dropped the ball not asking yourselves why we can't keep drugs from teenagers but we can keep guns from criminals

And you blame us? Seriously? You should invest in a mirror

OMG so now unless we build a fucking wall on the southern border it's our fault? LOL

No, it's not starting now. It was before and still is. When you disarm honest citizens and you allow the continued importation of weapons through our non-southern border to arm criminals. Then yes, you are responsible for the consequence of your choice. See how manhood works?

And you admit that you're the lapdog of illegal alien lobby? Another interesting one.

Just pointing out your standard. To support a special interest group is to be their "lapdog." That's what you said.

I have a different tact. I support lobbies that advocate my views. I guess we're not all the same

No one disarmed your stupid ass. We just want to take certain guns off the assembly line so in the future you can't buy them. That way you and the nut doesn't get their hands on certain weapons. But you can keep your guns. In fact if you already have a automatic weapon, keep it. We just don't make them anymore. Again, no one is trying to disarm you despite your paranoia.

Let me ask you a simple question. If you can't purchase this is that considered disarming you?

Right, like drug laws. Drugs are illegal, so you can't buy drugs! Poof! Have you asked your drug dealer about that? How if we make things like guns illegal, then we can't buy them?

Dear kaz and sealybobo
No sense in arguing about people's engrained beliefs.
Liberals believe this argument applies to abortion, where making them illegal
just promotes illegal abortion that will get worse.
Conservatives believe this argument about guns.

So let both have their beliefs that aren't going to change.
Trying to change this by arguing is like
trying to change an Atheist to believe like a Christian
or a Christian to believe like an Atheist.

They are both coming at each other from two different contexts and beliefs.
You cannot change either side by arguing the beliefs of the other.

What we can do is work WITHIN each person's belief system
and get these groups to govern themselves by their own rules
and quit imposing their rules and beliefs on others outside that group.

We need to separate parties as political religions
like allowing Hindus and Muslims equal religious freedom to manage their own programs
or separating Protestants from Catholics.

In this system, Baptists who believe in heading their own churches
and ministries directly by the law (and not going through the Catholic authorities to be
considered a valid church) are like the Conservatives and Constitutionalists teaching people that
the people are the govt where we follow the laws and don't depend on elected leaders
to dictate laws for us because our rights and laws are given by God/Nature first not the Govt.

And the liberals are like the Catholics who only respect Govt as the central authority
dictating law from the top down for everyone to follow.

You can't force Catholics to believe and think like Protestants
or Protestants to bow to Catholic authority like Catholics teach "is the only way" to salvation and heaven.

So why don't we respect equal freedom of religion when it
comes to political beliefs and religions by party?

Why do we force govt to take one side over the other by majority rule
and then fight to bully each other down because we don't want to
lose equal freedom to live by our own beliefs threatened by the other group?

Nobody is going to agree to be forced by govt to change beliefs
or comply with beliefs of the other party we don't believe in !

We wouldn't do this with religion, why do we do it with political parties
that are worse. The govt system makes it mandatory to comply with
laws, so that's even more dangerous to allow political religions to infiltrate
or dominate govt policy.

Isn't this obvious why this doesn't work?

 

[The Derp]

That isn't what it means. It was just gibberish.

No, it was pretty clear:

"Libertarians" want people to think they're completely independent...like my cat.
"Libertarians" actually are just as, if not more dependent on others to survive...like my cat.

Without the luxury government provides you, none of you "libertarians" would be able to survive.

Libertarians support government, roads, courts, police, military, the basics. We support and pay the taxes to provide them. We just oppose the socialist State that you are fighting for.

Jesus Christ...

roads, courts, police, military, "the basics" are of the socialist state.

So you say you oppose the socialist state, but right before that you expressed support for the socialist state.

Libertarians aren't like cats...they're like dogs; dumb, slobbering idiots who would put anything in their mouths.

 

[The Derp]

The FBI dropped the ball on passing along information to local authorities

The local authorities dropped the ball on doing anything about a kid who had the cops called on him 39 times

The social worker dropped the ball on declaring the kid psycho and detaining him for evaluation

The deputy assigned to the school dropped the ball on entering when the shooting started

Three more deputies arrived and dropped the same ball

You/the left dropped the ball on believing you can keep 300 million guns from one psycho

You/the left dropped the ball on believing we can have no southern border and keep guns out of the hands of psychos

You/the left dropped the ball not asking yourselves why we can't keep drugs from teenagers but we can keep guns from criminals

And you blame us? Seriously? You should invest in a mirror

OMG so now unless we build a fucking wall on the southern border it's our fault? LOL

No, it's not starting now. It was before and still is. When you disarm honest citizens and you allow the continued importation of weapons through our non-southern border to arm criminals. Then yes, you are responsible for the consequence of your choice. See how manhood works?

And you admit that you're the lapdog of illegal alien lobby? Another interesting one.

Just pointing out your standard. To support a special interest group is to be their "lapdog." That's what you said.

I have a different tact. I support lobbies that advocate my views. I guess we're not all the same

No one disarmed your stupid ass. We just want to take certain guns off the assembly line so in the future you can't buy them. That way you and the nut doesn't get their hands on certain weapons. But you can keep your guns. In fact if you already have a automatic weapon, keep it. We just don't make them anymore. Again, no one is trying to disarm you despite your paranoia.

Let me ask you a simple question. If you can't purchase this is that considered disarming you?

Right, like drug laws. Drugs are illegal, so you can't buy drugs! Poof! Have you asked your drug dealer about that? How if we make things like guns illegal, then we can't buy them?

Dear kaz and sealybobo
No sense in arguing about people's engrained beliefs.
Liberals believe this argument applies to abortion, where making them illegal
just promotes illegal abortion that will get worse.
Conservatives believe this argument about guns.

So let both have their beliefs that aren't going to change.
Trying to change this by arguing is like
trying to change an Atheist to believe like a Christian
or a Christian to believe like an Atheist.

They are both coming at each other from two different contexts and beliefs.
You cannot change either side by arguing the beliefs of the other.

What we can do is work WITHIN each person's belief system
and get these groups to govern themselves by their own rules
and quit imposing their rules and beliefs on others outside that group.

We need to separate parties as political religions
like allowing Hindus and Muslims equal religious freedom to manage their own programs
or separating Protestants from Catholics.

In this system, Baptists who believe in heading their own churches
and ministries directly by the law (and not going through the Catholic authorities to be
considered a valid church) are like the Conservatives and Constitutionalists teaching people that
the people are the govt where we follow the laws and don't depend on elected leaders
to dictate laws for us because our rights and laws are given by God/Nature first not the Govt.

And the liberals are like the Catholics who only respect Govt as the central authority
dictating law from the top down for everyone to follow.

You can't force Catholics to believe and think like Protestants
or Protestants to bow to Catholic authority like Catholics teach "is the only way" to salvation and heaven.

So why don't we respect equal freedom of religion when it
comes to political beliefs and religions by party?

Why do we force govt to take one side over the other by majority rule
and then fight to bully each other down because we don't want to
lose equal freedom to live by our own beliefs threatened by the other group?

Nobody is going to agree to be forced by govt to change beliefs
or comply with beliefs of the other party we don't believe in !

We wouldn't do this with religion, why do we do it with political parties
that are worse. The govt system makes it mandatory to comply with
laws, so that's even more dangerous to allow political religions to infiltrate
or dominate govt policy.

Isn't this obvious why this doesn't work?

Abortions don't kill people; guns do.

There's no equivalency to be made.

 

[emilynghiem]

OMG so now unless we build a fucking wall on the southern border it's our fault? LOL

No, it's not starting now. It was before and still is. When you disarm honest citizens and you allow the continued importation of weapons through our non-southern border to arm criminals. Then yes, you are responsible for the consequence of your choice. See how manhood works?

And you admit that you're the lapdog of illegal alien lobby? Another interesting one.

Just pointing out your standard. To support a special interest group is to be their "lapdog." That's what you said.

I have a different tact. I support lobbies that advocate my views. I guess we're not all the same

No one disarmed your stupid ass. We just want to take certain guns off the assembly line so in the future you can't buy them. That way you and the nut doesn't get their hands on certain weapons. But you can keep your guns. In fact if you already have a automatic weapon, keep it. We just don't make them anymore. Again, no one is trying to disarm you despite your paranoia.

Let me ask you a simple question. If you can't purchase this is that considered disarming you?

Right, like drug laws. Drugs are illegal, so you can't buy drugs! Poof! Have you asked your drug dealer about that? How if we make things like guns illegal, then we can't buy them?

Dear kaz and sealybobo
No sense in arguing about people's engrained beliefs.
Liberals believe this argument applies to abortion, where making them illegal
just promotes illegal abortion that will get worse.
Conservatives believe this argument about guns.

So let both have their beliefs that aren't going to change.
Trying to change this by arguing is like
trying to change an Atheist to believe like a Christian
or a Christian to believe like an Atheist.

They are both coming at each other from two different contexts and beliefs.
You cannot change either side by arguing the beliefs of the other.

What we can do is work WITHIN each person's belief system
and get these groups to govern themselves by their own rules
and quit imposing their rules and beliefs on others outside that group.

We need to separate parties as political religions
like allowing Hindus and Muslims equal religious freedom to manage their own programs
or separating Protestants from Catholics.

In this system, Baptists who believe in heading their own churches
and ministries directly by the law (and not going through the Catholic authorities to be
considered a valid church) are like the Conservatives and Constitutionalists teaching people that
the people are the govt where we follow the laws and don't depend on elected leaders
to dictate laws for us because our rights and laws are given by God/Nature first not the Govt.

And the liberals are like the Catholics who only respect Govt as the central authority
dictating law from the top down for everyone to follow.

You can't force Catholics to believe and think like Protestants
or Protestants to bow to Catholic authority like Catholics teach "is the only way" to salvation and heaven.

So why don't we respect equal freedom of religion when it
comes to political beliefs and religions by party?

Why do we force govt to take one side over the other by majority rule
and then fight to bully each other down because we don't want to
lose equal freedom to live by our own beliefs threatened by the other group?

Nobody is going to agree to be forced by govt to change beliefs
or comply with beliefs of the other party we don't believe in !

We wouldn't do this with religion, why do we do it with political parties
that are worse. The govt system makes it mandatory to comply with
laws, so that's even more dangerous to allow political religions to infiltrate
or dominate govt policy.

Isn't this obvious why this doesn't work?

Abortions don't kill people; guns do.

There's no equivalency to be made.

That's because you are not counting the aborted baby as a person

Guns are also used for DETERRENCE not just defense
to PREVENT people from killing.

If you don't believe automatic level artillery is necessary
for defending life and property, The Derp, look up the
articles on Koreatown in LA during the riots that were allowed
to run unchecked for 24 hours while police were ordered to stand down.
Those high power arms were used for DETERRENCE where NOBODY
got shot or killed, but displaying these prevented attacks on the people and their
business property.

You can argue abortion can save the life of the mother in some extreme cases.

More so with guns when these are used lawfully to DETER crime
where NOBODY gets hurt much less killed.

The Derp in a case I know personally about in Houston,
one man had to shoot an intruder dead in his home
in order to save himself his wife and infant child.

There are more cases of guns used legally and properly for
defense to SAVE lives than to shoot and kill.

If the point is to prevent ILLEGAL abuse of weapons
and guns, that's the focus.

Since guns are used both to save lives and abused to kill,
do you agree it doesn't make sense to treat these the same.

 

[The Derp]

That's because you are not counting the aborted baby as a person

Because it's not a person.

Guns are also used for DETERRENCE not just defense

If guns are a deterrence then we should have no gun crimes at all since we have almost 400,000,000 guns, and more guns per capita than any other first world nation. But we don't. We have more gun crime than countries with stricter gun laws.

So guns aren't a deterrence. In fact, what you think is a deterrence is actually an invitation; thieves love to steal guns because only 86% of gun owners report them as stolen, and they can sell them for a lot of money. That's why anyone with an NRA sticker on their car is at higher risk of a break-in than someone without that sticker; the thief knows that you have at least one gun they can steal and sell or use themselves.

There are more cases of guns used legally and properly for
defense to SAVE lives than to shoot and kill.

No there isn't. That's all bullshit because it relies on anecdotal accounts. One thing is true, though, 234,000 guns are stolen every year, and only 86% of those stolen guns are reported to the police. So you "responsible gun owners" can't even get a collective "A" when it comes to reporting your stolen weapons to the police. Nearly 100% of stolen cars are reported to police, but only 86% of stolen guns. That's doesn't instill confidence in me that not even 90% of the time you people will report a gun as stolen if it's taken right from under your nose. How come?

Since guns are used both to save lives and abused to kill,
do you agree it doesn't make sense to treat these the same.

So...

You said guns are a deterrent.

The US has close to 400,000,000 guns, and the highest guns-per-capita of first world nations, yet we have more gun crime than all other first world nations put together.

So guns aren't a deterrent. If they were, we'd have no gun crime at all. But we do; so they're not.

Even if *1* gun is used maliciously, that invalidates the millions of guns that aren't. All it takes is one bad apple. And you aren't even responsible with your guns as a collective; 234,000 disappear from gun owners every year. Of those, 33,000 aren't reported to the police, aren't being looked for, and are likely in the hands of criminals. That's a shitload of guns. And that's 33,000 every year. Since 2008, 330,000 stolen guns are floating around out there, with no one looking for them. So tell me why the fuck I should be expected to believe you're a responsible person with your gun?

 

[Rustic]

That's because you are not counting the aborted baby as a person

Because it's not a person.

Guns are also used for DETERRENCE not just defense

If guns are a deterrence then we should have no gun crimes at all since we have almost 400,000,000 guns, and more guns per capita than any other first world nation. But we don't. We have more gun crime than countries with stricter gun laws.

So guns aren't a deterrence. In fact, what you think is a deterrence is actually an invitation; thieves love to steal guns because only 86% of gun owners report them as stolen, and they can sell them for a lot of money. That's why anyone with an NRA sticker on their car is at higher risk of a break-in than someone without that sticker; the thief knows that you have at least one gun they can steal and sell or use themselves.

There are more cases of guns used legally and properly for
defense to SAVE lives than to shoot and kill.

No there isn't. That's all bullshit because it relies on anecdotal accounts. One thing is true, though, 234,000 guns are stolen every year, and only 86% of those stolen guns are reported to the police. So you "responsible gun owners" can't even get a collective "A" when it comes to reporting your stolen weapons to the police. Nearly 100% of stolen cars are reported to police, but only 86% of stolen guns. That's doesn't instill confidence in me that not even 90% of the time you people will report a gun as stolen if it's taken right from under your nose. How come?

Since guns are used both to save lives and abused to kill,
do you agree it doesn't make sense to treat these the same.

So...

You said guns are a deterrent.

The US has close to 400,000,000 guns, and the highest guns-per-capita of first world nations, yet we have more gun crime than all other first world nations put together.

So guns aren't a deterrent. If they were, we'd have no gun crime at all. But we do; so they're not.

Even if *1* gun is used maliciously, that invalidates the millions of guns that aren't. All it takes is one bad apple. And you aren't even responsible with your guns as a collective; 234,000 disappear from gun owners every year. Of those, 33,000 aren't reported to the police, aren't being looked for, and are likely in the hands of criminals. That's a shitload of guns. And that's 33,000 every year. Since 2008, 330,000 stolen guns are floating around out there, with no one looking for them. So tell me why the fuck I should be expected to believe you're a responsible person with your gun?

You need to mind your own business, but then again your a control freak.
The NRA is not pro gun enough, this country needs to be better armed.
Gun free zones need to be abolished, they are magnets for progressive mass shooters.