Leftists: Please explain to me how democracy is in jeopardy

[NotfooledbyW]

What I said is that most Americans agree with the same issues I do, not that most Americans are of my political party.

NFBW: Actually you issued a threat based on an unfounded assumption that is in and if itself a threat to democracy that only works by accepting elections even if you lose and by giving your consent to be governed even when you disagree with an elected majority.

You write this:

RFC221107-#286 “We, the majority of Americans do not want to be ruled by the minority any longer.”​

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NFBW: You are not the majority because you own the most guns and Trump holds big rallies, so what did you mean by “any longer”

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[M14 Shooter]

NFBW: You are not the majority because you own the most guns and Trump holds big rallies, so what did you mean by “any longer”

And you are not the majority because of 4 presidential elction reults.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well, let’s see…

Voting for Trump itself was a threat to democracy.

Propagating election lies – lies about ‘fraud,’ ‘cheating,’ and elections being ‘stolen.’

Defending the 1/6 rightwing terrorists; downplaying, minimizing, and attempting to mitigate the 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack.

Supporting and voting for Republican officeholders and candidates who engage in gerrymandering, who oppose voting by mail and early voting; Republican candidates and officeholders who shutdown voting venues in minority communities making it more difficult for voters of color to vote.

Supporting and voting for Republican election officials who will reject or invalidate ballots in bad faith because they don’t like the outcome of an election, falsely claiming ‘fraud’ or ‘cheating.’

Supporting voter intimidation, perceiving Democrats as ‘the enemy.’

Opposition to consensus and compromise.

Indeed, Republicans, conservatives, and others on the right are engaged in an ongoing campaign to spread misinformation, conspiracy theories, and lies intended to hobble the political process and undermine our democratic institutions.

Sounds like you're talking about the Democrat party, and it fails to answer the OP. We can go through the list of lies Democrats tell and are still telling, threat to Democracy leading the way. You see there is this document we've always lived by called the US Constitution. In that document gives us the right to free speech whether it's speech you approve of, speech you disapprove of, and yes, even lies. You know, like "I don't know any of my sons business associates?"

Now please tell me who it is on the right that defended the people that invaded the Capital. Unlike you, I listen to evil right-wing radio. I watch the big three Fox shows every night. All I've heard from any of these people or their guests was condemnation of the rioters, not support like the now VP Whorris gave to the Floyd rioters all across the country.

You listen to too much propaganda, like Republicans are the only people that gerrymander when possible, or that Republicans control Democrat voting facilities. It's all lies. It's the district election board that decides what and where voting takes place, and if it's a Democrat county or district, it's Democrats that close down voting locations usually due to lack of attendance. As far as voting by mail goes, I agree, it should be stopped except for instances where it's nearly impossible for a voter to vote in person. If you're too lazy to vote, you don't care enough about this country TO vote. We've been voting in person for centuries, so if that's a threat to democracy, it's always been there.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Look up the decision. Nothing of religion, morals, legality, illegality was mentioned.

I’m not arguing that they wrote their Catholic upbringing into the decision. My point is based upon reality and facts that proponents for banning the medical procedure of abortion state by date, on the ground the past fifty years, are driven by the religious principle that an individual person exists following that split second in time that a human egg is fertilized as a result of sexual intercourse. If there were no religious zealots and politicians and judges pushing so dramatically against it -Roe v Wade is quite constitutional as a right to privacy.

You agreed.

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[M14 Shooter]

I’m not arguing that they wrote their Catholic upbringing into the decision. My point is based upon reality and facts that proponents for banning the medical procedure of abortion state by date, on the ground the past fifty years, are driven by the religious principle that an individual person exists following that split second in time that a human egg is fertilized as a result of sexual intercourse.

This is not why the USSC overturned Roe.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I’m not arguing that they wrote their Catholic upbringing into the decision. My point is based upon reality and facts that proponents for banning the medical procedure of abortion state by date, on the ground the past fifty years, are driven by the religious principle that an individual person exists following that split second in time that a human egg is fertilized as a result of sexual intercourse. If there were no religious zealots and politicians and judges pushing so dramatically against it -Roe v Wade is quite constitutional as a right to privacy.

You agreed.

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Lol, I don't know where you got that from. Where is the right to privacy written? You know, when a woman gets an abortion, it's not required that she tells her neighbors, friends and coworkers about it. It's a totally private matter with or without Roe. Again, another lie by the left.

 

[struth]

I’m not arguing that they wrote their Catholic upbringing into the decision. My point is based upon reality and facts that proponents for banning the medical procedure of abortion state by date, on the ground the past fifty years, are driven by the religious principle that an individual person exists following that split second in time that a human egg is fertilized as a result of sexual intercourse. If there were no religious zealots and politicians and judges pushing so dramatically against it -Roe v Wade is quite constitutional as a right to privacy.

You agreed.

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A right to privacy doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want. Heck you can't even do whatever you want in your own home, let a lone at a Doctor's office

 

[iceberg]

It is relevant to the discussion I was having with Ray who claims most Americans agree with him.

That is absurd an irrational in light of the fact that the last four presidential elections the majority of actual voters in real numbers voted for a Democrats

So what rational basis gives Ray any justification to claim his knee jerk fear of Commies is a majority view in America - The emo is irrational and lives guns..- that is a threat to democracy unti itself.

if you only look at the end #, sure. you have a point. however, that point is about as useless as tits on a nun, ergo; irrelevant.

our founding fathers knew that the most populous areas could dominate if they so chose to or went in that direction, eliminating the voice of the smaller yet still american communities.

the only reason you want popular vote is to get it your way, all the time. if the popular vote were something else or working against you, you'd hate it and cry foul at anyone attempting to mention using it.

you need to put *at least* as much effort into your thinking as they did or you simply look like the exact reason why they came up with what they did.

to stop assholes from taking total control and forcing their views on all.

so, in short, fuck off.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

you need to put *at least* as much effort into your thinking as they did

No I don’t. The EC is fine with me to elect a president.

The popular vote is the most honest and only way to accurately call bullshit on Ray From Cleveland when he post threats to our democracy based on bullshit like this:

RFC221107-#286 “We, the majority of Americans do not want to be ruled by the minority any longer.”​

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[candycorn]

If lying to yourself makes you feel better - carry on.

If 30,000 armed right-wing extremists wanted to do all the things the left claims they wanted to to that day, there would have been no stopping them.

Well, the next time you guys try it...roll the dice and take your chances I suppose.

Pelosi, Schumer, AOC - maybe Pence - and scores, maybe hundreds of others, would all be dead.

Yep..this is what you guys wanted.

At some point, maybe the National Guard shows up. A battle ensues. Hundreds, maybe thousands die.

I hope belief in your orange god would have been worth sacrificing your life for in that case. I'm sure he'll "love you" for ever.

-That's- what happens in an insurrection.

Of the 30,000 people there that day, 29,900 of them went home that, or the next, day.

And 500-1000 of them were hunted down like dogs; many disavowing their "patriot" positions that drove them to try the insurrection in the first place.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well, the next time you guys try it...roll the dice and take your chances I suppose.
Yep..this is what you guys wanted.
I hope belief in your orange god would have been worth sacrificing your life for in that case. I'm sure he'll "love you" for ever.
And 500-1000 of them were hunted down like dogs; many disavowing their "patriot" positions that drove them to try the insurrection in the first place.

All I see here is your refusal to understand Jan 6th was not an isurrection.

 

[candycorn]

All I see here is your refusal to understand Jan 6th was not an isurrection.

You guys tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power. And some of them are now on trial for seditious conspiracy.

Just because you failed doesn't mean it wasn't attempted.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You guys tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power. And some of them are now on trial for seditious conspiracy.

But not insurrection? Hm,.
All I see here is your further refusal to understand Jan 6th was not an isurrection.

 

[candycorn]

But not insurrection? Hm,.
All I see here is your further refusal to understand Jan 6th was not an isurrection.

It was an attempted insurrection. Sorry.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It was an attempted insurrection. Sorry.

if it was an attempted insurrection, everything I said would have happened.
It didn't
So it wasn't.
Sorry.

 

[candycorn]

if it was an attempted insurrection, everything I said would have happened.
It didn't
So it wasn't.
Sorry.

It was an attempted insurrection. Sorry. Not sorry.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It was an attempted insurrection.

You -further- refuse to accept the truth.

 

[Ringo]

It seems to me that today all adequate people should understand that there is no alternative to socialism. Otherwise, barbarism, genocide, degradation and death of humanity. But for some reason this understanding is not in sight. It looks like the timer has already started ticking and it's too late to cut the wires. The world is doomed. Anyway, Happy 105 years of Ocober revolution day!

 

[Captain Caveman]

It's the new catch phrase of the left: Our democracy is in danger if you vote Republican. Now, I've asked leftists on USMB how is democracy threatened if we vote Republican, and not one can give me a coherent answer or in most cases, any answer at all. Like robots, just repeat what you are told to repeat. Since I never got any answer, I'm creating a topic on it to see if somebody, anybody on the left can explain this threat to me.

On the right there was 1/6, a one day event that lasted several hours but resulted in business carried out as usual. No Republican representative supported it. No right-wing radio or television host supported it. And it happened nearly two years ago.

On the left you had the FBI engage in assisting the Democrat party by obtaining warrants with false applications to spy on a political foe, pressuring major social media companies to remove any posts about Hunter Biden's laptop scandal which resulted in Biden's win, two phony impeachments, attacking pro-life people protesting abortion clinics and arresting them, and more recently a President asking an oil producing nation to withhold their announcement they intend to cut oil production to help his party in a midterm election; something they based their first phony impeachment on President Trump for even though he never did any such thing.

So which party is the actual threat to democracy here?

Because retards don't know what the word, "Democracy" means. If they're all for voting, secure elections, and an elected president from an election outcome, then they would have accepted Trump as their president. Yet they feel democracy is under attack. It's evident Lefties are thick as fuck.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It seems to me that today all adequate people should understand that there is no alternative to socialism.

Sure there is. Lots of them. Some work better than others.
The best system is that which most closelt minics human nature. That's -not- socialism

Otherwise, barbarism, genocide, degradation and death of humanity.

You cannot demonstrate this is inevetibale w/o socialism; nor can you demonstrate these things will not happen with socialism.