Legal group finds thousands of double voters in battleground states

[WTF19]

Its just starting..

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

Anti-universal mail ballot activists say the two states are a tip-off for what will happen in the Nov. 3 election.


Liberal journalists demand that the Trump administration, which opposes mass-mailed ballots in most states, provide evidence of fraud. The counterargument is that it is difficult to cite such examples when only a handful of states before 2020 adopted remote voting.

Public Interest Legal Foundation finds thousands of double voters

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

www.washingtontimes.com

It might have happened in North Carolina. The GOP was already busted for that.

Not Voting twice, duplicate voters on the rolls.

Does it matter why you got caught cheating or the fact that you got caught that matters?

Not at all...I am just clarifying what the lawsuit is about. They want to stop Voting by mail, but it is about getting the cleanest possible rolls before ballots go out.

While cleaning up rolls in itself isn't bad DEPENDING on how it's done, if Trump can vote by mail, everyone can.

And if Trump can be troubled to apply for his absentee ballot, then anybody who needs to vote by mail can be troubled to do the same.

or you can get up off your ass and vote in person

Why? Trump doesn't. Good enough fo

Its just starting..

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

Anti-universal mail ballot activists say the two states are a tip-off for what will happen in the Nov. 3 election.


Liberal journalists demand that the Trump administration, which opposes mass-mailed ballots in most states, provide evidence of fraud. The counterargument is that it is difficult to cite such examples when only a handful of states before 2020 adopted remote voting.

Public Interest Legal Foundation finds thousands of double voters

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

www.washingtontimes.com

It might have happened in North Carolina. The GOP was already busted for that.

Not Voting twice, duplicate voters on the rolls.

Does it matter why you got caught cheating or the fact that you got caught that matters?

Not at all...I am just clarifying what the lawsuit is about. They want to stop Voting by mail, but it is about getting the cleanest possible rolls before ballots go out.

While cleaning up rolls in itself isn't bad DEPENDING on how it's done, if Trump can vote by mail, everyone can.

And if Trump can be troubled to apply for his absentee ballot, then anybody who needs to vote by mail can be troubled to do the same.

or you can get up off your ass and vote in person

Are you arguing against absentee voting in general, or just saying fuck Trump?

 

[WTF19]

Get off your lazy asses and go vote..........you would do it for Taco bell..........Walmart........but to VOTE.........too dangerous ......COVID.

What a bunch of lying wankers.

Taco Bell has a drive through. Walmart has curbside. I can vote by mail. Jealous? You live in one of those suck ass absentee states?

You shouldn't be allowed to vote by mail without a certified reason for not going there........and vetted as in the past.

Your side will ballot harvest your asses off......you don't fool anyone..........We have to show up here......just down the road and have to show I.D.........

You don't want to do that because you can't cheat that way.

Good thing you don't make the rules because folks WANT to Vote by Mail during a deadly pandemic. Sucks for the people in those minority six states though.

Cool story bro.............so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.............

So scared can't come out of the house except to burn shit down............You don't fool anyone.......we know what you are and what you do....

Get off your lazy fat ass and go vote.

No, you don't have to be tested to know you have it, but you should be tested to know you aren't spreading it (and you should wear a mask).

Yes, I am concerned about getting a deadly virus that has killed almost 200,000 Americans in six months. I leave my home only when necessary and always wearing a mask. I avoid crowded areas and anywhere with a line...like a Vote Center or Polling Place. I go to the commissary early when no one is there and get everything else online. I will continue to do so until we have this virus under control. (Which won't be until we get the orange bungler out of office)

a virus that has taken 9700 lives. dont like the number, argue with the CDC...the only reason you do all of those things is because the demoncrats want you to live in fear. demoncrats are not voting for BEIJING joe...hello...when the fuck are you idiots going to wake up?

 

[WTF19]

Its just starting..

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

Anti-universal mail ballot activists say the two states are a tip-off for what will happen in the Nov. 3 election.


Liberal journalists demand that the Trump administration, which opposes mass-mailed ballots in most states, provide evidence of fraud. The counterargument is that it is difficult to cite such examples when only a handful of states before 2020 adopted remote voting.

Public Interest Legal Foundation finds thousands of double voters

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

www.washingtontimes.com

It might have happened in North Carolina. The GOP was already busted for that.

Not Voting twice, duplicate voters on the rolls.

Does it matter why you got caught cheating or the fact that you got caught that matters?

Not at all...I am just clarifying what the lawsuit is about. They want to stop Voting by mail, but it is about getting the cleanest possible rolls before ballots go out.

While cleaning up rolls in itself isn't bad DEPENDING on how it's done, if Trump can vote by mail, everyone can.

And if Trump can be troubled to apply for his absentee ballot, then anybody who needs to vote by mail can be troubled to do the same.

or you can get up off your ass and vote in person

Why? Trump doesn't. Good enough fo

Its just starting..

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

Anti-universal mail ballot activists say the two states are a tip-off for what will happen in the Nov. 3 election.


Liberal journalists demand that the Trump administration, which opposes mass-mailed ballots in most states, provide evidence of fraud. The counterargument is that it is difficult to cite such examples when only a handful of states before 2020 adopted remote voting.

Public Interest Legal Foundation finds thousands of double voters

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

www.washingtontimes.com

It might have happened in North Carolina. The GOP was already busted for that.

Not Voting twice, duplicate voters on the rolls.

Does it matter why you got caught cheating or the fact that you got caught that matters?

Not at all...I am just clarifying what the lawsuit is about. They want to stop Voting by mail, but it is about getting the cleanest possible rolls before ballots go out.

While cleaning up rolls in itself isn't bad DEPENDING on how it's done, if Trump can vote by mail, everyone can.

And if Trump can be troubled to apply for his absentee ballot, then anybody who needs to vote by mail can be troubled to do the same.

or you can get up off your ass and vote in person

Are you arguing against absentee voting in general, or just saying fuck Trump?

nope. arguing about be lazy---get up off your ass and go vote

 

[Seawytch]

Its just starting..

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

Anti-universal mail ballot activists say the two states are a tip-off for what will happen in the Nov. 3 election.


Liberal journalists demand that the Trump administration, which opposes mass-mailed ballots in most states, provide evidence of fraud. The counterargument is that it is difficult to cite such examples when only a handful of states before 2020 adopted remote voting.

Public Interest Legal Foundation finds thousands of double voters

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

www.washingtontimes.com

It might have happened in North Carolina. The GOP was already busted for that.

Not Voting twice, duplicate voters on the rolls.

Does it matter why you got caught cheating or the fact that you got caught that matters?

Not at all...I am just clarifying what the lawsuit is about. They want to stop Voting by mail, but it is about getting the cleanest possible rolls before ballots go out.

While cleaning up rolls in itself isn't bad DEPENDING on how it's done, if Trump can vote by mail, everyone can.

And if Trump can be troubled to apply for his absentee ballot, then anybody who needs to vote by mail can be troubled to do the same.

What did I reply to?

They want to stop Voting by mail

Call me crazy, but I assumed that Seawytch was saying that in reference to the specific argument about the universal mail in voting schemes that have been setup last minute, which is specifically what the Trump campaign, most of the Republican party, and most right wing voters are against.

Where is this being done and how would it not work when it works already in a few states?

It seems weird to me to assume that "voting by mail" was meant to be taken at its most literal possible meaning, including absentee voting, considering that I've seen precisely zero right wingers of any note making this argument. In fact, I don't even think I've seen any right wingers on this board saying we need to do away with absentee ballots.

No one is arguing that people need to shut up and go stand in line on voting day?

California, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, and Vermont have set up schemes to send mail in ballots automatically to all voters while a hand full of states are massively expanding absentee eligibility. The fact that we haven't prosecuted anybody for widespread voter fraud in these systems doesn't make them safe, IMO. We're estimating that 80 million votes (well over half of what was cast in the 2016 general) are going to be going through the mail, which means unsupervised chains of custody. If you leave your front door wide open and go to work, then get home to find that nobody's robbed you, it might just be evidence that you got lucky, and not proof that it's okay to leave your door open every day.

And yeah, I'm sure people have said to shut up and stand in line, I just think, as I said before, that taking such statements as literal and all-encompassing is pretty obviously strawman'ing the point.

Trump's vote is going through that system.

Your point?

It's all good. We should encourage people to vote in the manner that is as easiest for them and makes them the most comfortable.

Why should ease and comfort be the primary concerns when deciding the laws and leadership of our nation?

We shouldn't put restrictions on our Constitutional Rights.

So why not vote by phone or over the internet? That'd be even easier.

That would be great when we get it set up.

Wowzers. At least you're consistent with this goofy line of reasoning.

Out of curiosity, are you also opposed to restrictions on what firearms people are allowed to own, or people with felonies on record being allowed to own them, or a complete elimination of all need for ID or background checks when purchasing a firearm?

I believe if the government can own an arm the people should be allowed to also.......before you go there I understand the logistics with nuclear weapons.

The 2nd was wrote so people could use them against the government if necessary.

We may frequently disagree, but I've gotta admit that you have an interesting spread of opinions.

It's all the same opinion. To not violate people's rights. Our rights are more than the 2nd is it not?

Yeah, no, you definitely appear to be consistent with that principle. Interesting because I didn't take you for a libertarian, but I'm admittedly not the greatest at remembering which viewpoints are associated with which screennames.

It's not even that. I believe in things Libertarians do not BUT I also believe doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing and often times when left with two candidates that I believe are wrong I will go with the Libertarian candidate. I'm leaning to Jo this time.

Answer me this. People argue all the time that people should just give in when faced with a police officer that is going to violate your civil rights and take it up with the courts. That is of course a lie for many because we see those very people get upset when people win in the courts.......but that aside.

What if the argument was..........just let the government take your guns and fight it out in the court to get them back.

Would that be acceptable?

It's not acceptable in any situation for the police to violate someone's rights, but there's a pretty broad range of particular situations and likely consequences to consider.

If the police showed up to my door right now to confiscate weapons, I would personally allow them to do so and then fight it in court, but only because I don't see it as even remotely likely that they'd be doing so to disarm me as part of a larger plot to use drastic force against me. A legal misunderstanding, even one used to leverage against me a law that I find to be oppressive, is rarely a reason for a fight to the death, which is essentially what any fight against the state is. On the other hand, if I saw them coming down the street knocking on every door for that purpose, I might consider throwing away my scabbard, so to speak, and making them pry my firearm from my cold, dead fingers, but I would do so with the understanding that I'd be forfeiting my life for that principle.

At any rate, in a lot of the high profile police brutality situations of late, the idea that any particular one was initiated by a blatant violation of the victim's rights is debatable to say the least. I would definitely say that, in situations where no such obvious violation occurs, it's reasonable for police officers to violently defend themselves against people who try to fight their way out of getting arrested. From the citizen's perspective, it sucks, but if it seems like the officer is just wrong, but might be acting in good faith with the mistaken belief that you've committed a crime, yeah, I'd generally recommend you suck it up, endure the injustice, and try to redress the situation in court after the fact.

Where voting's concerned, I consider it to be a similarly complex question. I don't like the idea of disenfranchising anyone, but I see that as a justification for an in-person setup with ID required absolutely. Every illegitimate vote cancels out a legitimate opposing vote. The only significant difference between that and actively barring that disenfranchised voter from entering the polling place, is that said legitimate voter would at least be AWARE that he was getting fucked. I also don't see how not expanding voting to allow people to do it from home is tantamount to restricting that right. Nowhere does the constitution directly assert that there's a right to vote that cannot be infringed. We have to infer that right's existence based on the 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments. Together, these amendments state that the right to vote can't be denied based on race (15th), sex (19th), unpaid taxes (24th), or age for people at least 18 years old (26th). The most recent of these amendments was passed in 1971, a full 27 years before Oregon became the first state to offer universal mail in voting. I see no reason to believe that anyone ever intended for there to be a right to vote that was unduly repressed if people were generally required to show up and exercise this right in person, given that this was already the case when these amendments were passed, and none of them even mention it. Moreover, I find it ludicrous to believe that anybody's right to vote is protected by neglecting the integrity of the process and subjecting it to potential mass fraud.

The means to how a person votes was entirely left up to the states.

Not arguing that. Just showing that, as far as voting being a constitutional right, the only thing that the constitution stipulates is the collection of criteria for which voting CANNOT be denied. Not wanting to show up at the polls because one is afraid of getting sick isn't on the list. Thus, I don't view it as a restriction of a constitutional right to require that people generally vote in person.

It probably isn't but we should make sure our rights are as easy to exercise as possible.

If that ease of exercise renders the election so obviously and completely vulnerable to massive fraud, what's the point? What good is the right to vote when the vote becomes meaningless?

If Trump can safely mail in his vote, everyone can.

BS.

Absentee ballots sent out by request and limited only to those with a good reason for requiring that leeway don't create NEARLY the same logistical issues as mass mail-in voting, or NEARLY the same vulnerability to mass fraud as sending out EVERYBODY'S ballots in one crack and leaving them all in the hands of unsupervised postal carriers.

And before you drop that common, "It's been working in the mail-in states so far" argument. . . If massive numbers of ballots are passed down unsupervised chains of custody, how would we even know about tampering taking place?

And, for the record, absentee voting isn't NEARLY as safe as in person voting, if you want your vote to be counted. Mail gets lost all the time.

Trump doesn't vote absentee...he Votes by Mail.

 

[Seawytch]

Get off your lazy asses and go vote..........you would do it for Taco bell..........Walmart........but to VOTE.........too dangerous ......COVID.

What a bunch of lying wankers.

Taco Bell has a drive through. Walmart has curbside. I can vote by mail. Jealous? You live in one of those suck ass absentee states?

You shouldn't be allowed to vote by mail without a certified reason for not going there........and vetted as in the past.

Your side will ballot harvest your asses off......you don't fool anyone..........We have to show up here......just down the road and have to show I.D.........

You don't want to do that because you can't cheat that way.

Good thing you don't make the rules because folks WANT to Vote by Mail during a deadly pandemic. Sucks for the people in those minority six states though.

Cool story bro.............so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.............

So scared can't come out of the house except to burn shit down............You don't fool anyone.......we know what you are and what you do....

Get off your lazy fat ass and go vote.

No, you don't have to be tested to know you have it, but you should be tested to know you aren't spreading it (and you should wear a mask).

Yes, I am concerned about getting a deadly virus that has killed almost 200,000 Americans in six months. I leave my home only when necessary and always wearing a mask. I avoid crowded areas and anywhere with a line...like a Vote Center or Polling Place. I go to the commissary early when no one is there and get everything else online. I will continue to do so until we have this virus under control. (Which won't be until we get the orange bungler out of office)

a virus that has taken 9700 lives. dont like the number, argue with the CDC...the only reason you do all of those things is because the demoncrats want you to live in fear. demoncrats are not voting for BEIJING joe...hello...when the fuck are you idiots going to wake up?

You're grossly misinformed.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

USA
188,688
TOTAL DEATHS

 

[Seawytch]

Its just starting..

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

Anti-universal mail ballot activists say the two states are a tip-off for what will happen in the Nov. 3 election.


Liberal journalists demand that the Trump administration, which opposes mass-mailed ballots in most states, provide evidence of fraud. The counterargument is that it is difficult to cite such examples when only a handful of states before 2020 adopted remote voting.

Public Interest Legal Foundation finds thousands of double voters

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

www.washingtontimes.com

It might have happened in North Carolina. The GOP was already busted for that.

Not Voting twice, duplicate voters on the rolls.

Does it matter why you got caught cheating or the fact that you got caught that matters?

Not at all...I am just clarifying what the lawsuit is about. They want to stop Voting by mail, but it is about getting the cleanest possible rolls before ballots go out.

While cleaning up rolls in itself isn't bad DEPENDING on how it's done, if Trump can vote by mail, everyone can.

And if Trump can be troubled to apply for his absentee ballot, then anybody who needs to vote by mail can be troubled to do the same.

or you can get up off your ass and vote in person

Why? Trump doesn't. Good enough fo

Its just starting..

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

Anti-universal mail ballot activists say the two states are a tip-off for what will happen in the Nov. 3 election.


Liberal journalists demand that the Trump administration, which opposes mass-mailed ballots in most states, provide evidence of fraud. The counterargument is that it is difficult to cite such examples when only a handful of states before 2020 adopted remote voting.

Public Interest Legal Foundation finds thousands of double voters

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

www.washingtontimes.com

It might have happened in North Carolina. The GOP was already busted for that.

Not Voting twice, duplicate voters on the rolls.

Does it matter why you got caught cheating or the fact that you got caught that matters?

Not at all...I am just clarifying what the lawsuit is about. They want to stop Voting by mail, but it is about getting the cleanest possible rolls before ballots go out.

While cleaning up rolls in itself isn't bad DEPENDING on how it's done, if Trump can vote by mail, everyone can.

And if Trump can be troubled to apply for his absentee ballot, then anybody who needs to vote by mail can be troubled to do the same.

or you can get up off your ass and vote in person

Are you arguing against absentee voting in general, or just saying fuck Trump?

nope. arguing about be lazy---get up off your ass and go vote

No. I don't have to. I will be busy on Election Day/Night, thanks anyway.

 

[WTF19]

Get off your lazy asses and go vote..........you would do it for Taco bell..........Walmart........but to VOTE.........too dangerous ......COVID.

What a bunch of lying wankers.

Taco Bell has a drive through. Walmart has curbside. I can vote by mail. Jealous? You live in one of those suck ass absentee states?

You shouldn't be allowed to vote by mail without a certified reason for not going there........and vetted as in the past.

Your side will ballot harvest your asses off......you don't fool anyone..........We have to show up here......just down the road and have to show I.D.........

You don't want to do that because you can't cheat that way.

Good thing you don't make the rules because folks WANT to Vote by Mail during a deadly pandemic. Sucks for the people in those minority six states though.

Cool story bro.............so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.............

So scared can't come out of the house except to burn shit down............You don't fool anyone.......we know what you are and what you do....

Get off your lazy fat ass and go vote.

No, you don't have to be tested to know you have it, but you should be tested to know you aren't spreading it (and you should wear a mask).

Yes, I am concerned about getting a deadly virus that has killed almost 200,000 Americans in six months. I leave my home only when necessary and always wearing a mask. I avoid crowded areas and anywhere with a line...like a Vote Center or Polling Place. I go to the commissary early when no one is there and get everything else online. I will continue to do so until we have this virus under control. (Which won't be until we get the orange bungler out of office)

a virus that has taken 9700 lives. dont like the number, argue with the CDC...the only reason you do all of those things is because the demoncrats want you to live in fear. demoncrats are not voting for BEIJING joe...hello...when the fuck are you idiots going to wake up?

You're grossly misinformed.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

USA
188,688
TOTAL DEATHS

directly related you moron. you cant keep reading only what you want. the whole story...dont twist it---read it....DUH

 

[Seawytch]

Get off your lazy asses and go vote..........you would do it for Taco bell..........Walmart........but to VOTE.........too dangerous ......COVID.

What a bunch of lying wankers.

Taco Bell has a drive through. Walmart has curbside. I can vote by mail. Jealous? You live in one of those suck ass absentee states?

You shouldn't be allowed to vote by mail without a certified reason for not going there........and vetted as in the past.

Your side will ballot harvest your asses off......you don't fool anyone..........We have to show up here......just down the road and have to show I.D.........

You don't want to do that because you can't cheat that way.

Good thing you don't make the rules because folks WANT to Vote by Mail during a deadly pandemic. Sucks for the people in those minority six states though.

Cool story bro.............so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.............

So scared can't come out of the house except to burn shit down............You don't fool anyone.......we know what you are and what you do....

Get off your lazy fat ass and go vote.

No, you don't have to be tested to know you have it, but you should be tested to know you aren't spreading it (and you should wear a mask).

Yes, I am concerned about getting a deadly virus that has killed almost 200,000 Americans in six months. I leave my home only when necessary and always wearing a mask. I avoid crowded areas and anywhere with a line...like a Vote Center or Polling Place. I go to the commissary early when no one is there and get everything else online. I will continue to do so until we have this virus under control. (Which won't be until we get the orange bungler out of office)

Fear mongering and nothing more..........cooking the books..........and we have never fucked our country for a pandemic like this time.

You are full of shit.

There will be 200,000 Americans dead in 6 months and you don't care...

Please campaign with that message...

Only 200k? More than that die per year.

Of what? What do 200,000 people die from in a six month period?

 

[Seawytch]

Get off your lazy asses and go vote..........you would do it for Taco bell..........Walmart........but to VOTE.........too dangerous ......COVID.

What a bunch of lying wankers.

Taco Bell has a drive through. Walmart has curbside. I can vote by mail. Jealous? You live in one of those suck ass absentee states?

You shouldn't be allowed to vote by mail without a certified reason for not going there........and vetted as in the past.

Your side will ballot harvest your asses off......you don't fool anyone..........We have to show up here......just down the road and have to show I.D.........

You don't want to do that because you can't cheat that way.

Good thing you don't make the rules because folks WANT to Vote by Mail during a deadly pandemic. Sucks for the people in those minority six states though.

Cool story bro.............so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.............

So scared can't come out of the house except to burn shit down............You don't fool anyone.......we know what you are and what you do....

Get off your lazy fat ass and go vote.

No, you don't have to be tested to know you have it, but you should be tested to know you aren't spreading it (and you should wear a mask).

Yes, I am concerned about getting a deadly virus that has killed almost 200,000 Americans in six months. I leave my home only when necessary and always wearing a mask. I avoid crowded areas and anywhere with a line...like a Vote Center or Polling Place. I go to the commissary early when no one is there and get everything else online. I will continue to do so until we have this virus under control. (Which won't be until we get the orange bungler out of office)

a virus that has taken 9700 lives. dont like the number, argue with the CDC...the only reason you do all of those things is because the demoncrats want you to live in fear. demoncrats are not voting for BEIJING joe...hello...when the fuck are you idiots going to wake up?

You're grossly misinformed.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

USA
188,688
TOTAL DEATHS

directly related you moron. you cant keep reading only what you want. the whole story...dont twist it---read it....DUH

They are all directly related. They would not be dead if not for COVID.

 

[Seawytch]

The coronavirus has now killed more Americans than the Vietnam War, Gulf War, Afghanistan War, and Iraq War combined

 

[WTF19]

Get off your lazy asses and go vote..........you would do it for Taco bell..........Walmart........but to VOTE.........too dangerous ......COVID.

What a bunch of lying wankers.

Taco Bell has a drive through. Walmart has curbside. I can vote by mail. Jealous? You live in one of those suck ass absentee states?

You shouldn't be allowed to vote by mail without a certified reason for not going there........and vetted as in the past.

Your side will ballot harvest your asses off......you don't fool anyone..........We have to show up here......just down the road and have to show I.D.........

You don't want to do that because you can't cheat that way.

Good thing you don't make the rules because folks WANT to Vote by Mail during a deadly pandemic. Sucks for the people in those minority six states though.

Cool story bro.............so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.............

So scared can't come out of the house except to burn shit down............You don't fool anyone.......we know what you are and what you do....

Get off your lazy fat ass and go vote.

No, you don't have to be tested to know you have it, but you should be tested to know you aren't spreading it (and you should wear a mask).

Yes, I am concerned about getting a deadly virus that has killed almost 200,000 Americans in six months. I leave my home only when necessary and always wearing a mask. I avoid crowded areas and anywhere with a line...like a Vote Center or Polling Place. I go to the commissary early when no one is there and get everything else online. I will continue to do so until we have this virus under control. (Which won't be until we get the orange bungler out of office)

a virus that has taken 9700 lives. dont like the number, argue with the CDC...the only reason you do all of those things is because the demoncrats want you to live in fear. demoncrats are not voting for BEIJING joe...hello...when the fuck are you idiots going to wake up?

You're grossly misinformed.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

USA
188,688
TOTAL DEATHS

directly related you moron. you cant keep reading only what you want. the whole story...dont twist it---read it....DUH

They are all directly related. They would not be dead if not for COVID.

you are fucking brain dead---wow

 

[AZrailwhale]

Its just starting..

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

Anti-universal mail ballot activists say the two states are a tip-off for what will happen in the Nov. 3 election.


Liberal journalists demand that the Trump administration, which opposes mass-mailed ballots in most states, provide evidence of fraud. The counterargument is that it is difficult to cite such examples when only a handful of states before 2020 adopted remote voting.

Public Interest Legal Foundation finds thousands of double voters

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

www.washingtontimes.com

It might have happened in North Carolina. The GOP was already busted for that.

Not Voting twice, duplicate voters on the rolls.

Does it matter why you got caught cheating or the fact that you got caught that matters?

Not at all...I am just clarifying what the lawsuit is about. They want to stop Voting by mail, but it is about getting the cleanest possible rolls before ballots go out.

While cleaning up rolls in itself isn't bad DEPENDING on how it's done, if Trump can vote by mail, everyone can.

And if Trump can be troubled to apply for his absentee ballot, then anybody who needs to vote by mail can be troubled to do the same.

What did I reply to?

They want to stop Voting by mail

Call me crazy, but I assumed that Seawytch was saying that in reference to the specific argument about the universal mail in voting schemes that have been setup last minute, which is specifically what the Trump campaign, most of the Republican party, and most right wing voters are against.

It seems weird to me to assume that "voting by mail" was meant to be taken at its most literal possible meaning, including absentee voting, considering that I've seen precisely zero right wingers of any note making this argument. In fact, I don't even think I've seen any right wingers on this board saying we need to do away with absentee ballots.

You were not against them all the years Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Colorado and Utah were doing it. Oregon has been doing it for decades without a peep from you. Now because California (well over 50% of California already voted by mail), DC, New Jersey, Vermont and Nevada are doing it as well it is suddenly the worst thing in the world?

Smells like an excuse for an impending loss...

That's a pretty big assumption. Where are you getting that I was for mail-in voting before 2020?

Where did I say you were for it? What I said was that states had been doing it for decades without a peep from Republicans. It wasn't until Trump needed an excuse for his loss that you all started rending your undergarments about it.

Republicans haven’t said anything against it because there are professes in place to verify the identity of the person REQUESTING absentee ballots. Republicans are against shotgunning ballots by mail to the original addresses of voters when they registered.

 

[Seawytch]

Get off your lazy asses and go vote..........you would do it for Taco bell..........Walmart........but to VOTE.........too dangerous ......COVID.

What a bunch of lying wankers.

Taco Bell has a drive through. Walmart has curbside. I can vote by mail. Jealous? You live in one of those suck ass absentee states?

You shouldn't be allowed to vote by mail without a certified reason for not going there........and vetted as in the past.

Your side will ballot harvest your asses off......you don't fool anyone..........We have to show up here......just down the road and have to show I.D.........

You don't want to do that because you can't cheat that way.

Good thing you don't make the rules because folks WANT to Vote by Mail during a deadly pandemic. Sucks for the people in those minority six states though.

Cool story bro.............so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.............

So scared can't come out of the house except to burn shit down............You don't fool anyone.......we know what you are and what you do....

Get off your lazy fat ass and go vote.

No, you don't have to be tested to know you have it, but you should be tested to know you aren't spreading it (and you should wear a mask).

Yes, I am concerned about getting a deadly virus that has killed almost 200,000 Americans in six months. I leave my home only when necessary and always wearing a mask. I avoid crowded areas and anywhere with a line...like a Vote Center or Polling Place. I go to the commissary early when no one is there and get everything else online. I will continue to do so until we have this virus under control. (Which won't be until we get the orange bungler out of office)

a virus that has taken 9700 lives. dont like the number, argue with the CDC...the only reason you do all of those things is because the demoncrats want you to live in fear. demoncrats are not voting for BEIJING joe...hello...when the fuck are you idiots going to wake up?

You're grossly misinformed.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

USA
188,688
TOTAL DEATHS

directly related you moron. you cant keep reading only what you want. the whole story...dont twist it---read it....DUH

They are all directly related. They would not be dead if not for COVID.

you are fucking brain dead---wow

No, I believe in fact not the fiction that Fox and Trump spew.

 

[Seawytch]

Its just starting..

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

Anti-universal mail ballot activists say the two states are a tip-off for what will happen in the Nov. 3 election.


Liberal journalists demand that the Trump administration, which opposes mass-mailed ballots in most states, provide evidence of fraud. The counterargument is that it is difficult to cite such examples when only a handful of states before 2020 adopted remote voting.

Public Interest Legal Foundation finds thousands of double voters

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

www.washingtontimes.com

It might have happened in North Carolina. The GOP was already busted for that.

Not Voting twice, duplicate voters on the rolls.

Does it matter why you got caught cheating or the fact that you got caught that matters?

Not at all...I am just clarifying what the lawsuit is about. They want to stop Voting by mail, but it is about getting the cleanest possible rolls before ballots go out.

While cleaning up rolls in itself isn't bad DEPENDING on how it's done, if Trump can vote by mail, everyone can.

And if Trump can be troubled to apply for his absentee ballot, then anybody who needs to vote by mail can be troubled to do the same.

What did I reply to?

They want to stop Voting by mail

Call me crazy, but I assumed that Seawytch was saying that in reference to the specific argument about the universal mail in voting schemes that have been setup last minute, which is specifically what the Trump campaign, most of the Republican party, and most right wing voters are against.

It seems weird to me to assume that "voting by mail" was meant to be taken at its most literal possible meaning, including absentee voting, considering that I've seen precisely zero right wingers of any note making this argument. In fact, I don't even think I've seen any right wingers on this board saying we need to do away with absentee ballots.

You were not against them all the years Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Colorado and Utah were doing it. Oregon has been doing it for decades without a peep from you. Now because California (well over 50% of California already voted by mail), DC, New Jersey, Vermont and Nevada are doing it as well it is suddenly the worst thing in the world?

Smells like an excuse for an impending loss...

That's a pretty big assumption. Where are you getting that I was for mail-in voting before 2020?

Where did I say you were for it? What I said was that states had been doing it for decades without a peep from Republicans. It wasn't until Trump needed an excuse for his loss that you all started rending your undergarments about it.

Republicans haven’t said anything against it because there are professes in place to verify the identity of the person REQUESTING absentee ballots. Republicans are against shotgunning ballots by mail to the original addresses of voters when they registered.

Why? If the voter has moved, the ballot comes back. If the voter moved in county, the address is updated and a new ballot is mailed to the correct address. If the voter has moved out of county the voter is pushed to the new county and that county can mail a ballot.If the voter moves out of state the voter is inactivated and a postcard is mailed letting them know to update their registration. If they return the postcard they can be canceled. If they don't return the post card, they get canceled in 4 years or two federal elections.

 

[Lesh]

This thread is bullshit

Here's the group being talked about


The Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) is an American conservative legal group based in Indianapolis, Indiana,[1] which is known for suing states and local governments to purge voters from election rolls.[2] The group has made false claims about the extent of voter fraud in the United States.[2][3][4] The organization has published the information of eligible voters online, including Social Security numbers, falsely accusing them of being fraudulent voters.[5]

The nonprofit was constituted in 2012 to “assist states and others” to fight “lawlessness" in American elections. They assert that "large numbers of ineligible aliens are registering to vote and casting ballots", although lists that they have displayed of such supposed voters prove to actually include American natives who are eligible voters.[4] PILF said their lists had been based on state government lists of declared “non-citizens” removed from local voter rolls. Some U.S. citizens were wrongfully purged in the process.[6

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Get off your lazy asses and go vote..........you would do it for Taco bell..........Walmart........but to VOTE.........too dangerous ......COVID.

What a bunch of lying wankers.

Taco Bell has a drive through. Walmart has curbside. I can vote by mail. Jealous? You live in one of those suck ass absentee states?

You shouldn't be allowed to vote by mail without a certified reason for not going there........and vetted as in the past.

Your side will ballot harvest your asses off......you don't fool anyone..........We have to show up here......just down the road and have to show I.D.........

You don't want to do that because you can't cheat that way.

Good thing you don't make the rules because folks WANT to Vote by Mail during a deadly pandemic. Sucks for the people in those minority six states though.

Cool story bro.............so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.............

So scared can't come out of the house except to burn shit down............You don't fool anyone.......we know what you are and what you do....

Get off your lazy fat ass and go vote.

No, you don't have to be tested to know you have it, but you should be tested to know you aren't spreading it (and you should wear a mask).

Yes, I am concerned about getting a deadly virus that has killed almost 200,000 Americans in six months. I leave my home only when necessary and always wearing a mask. I avoid crowded areas and anywhere with a line...like a Vote Center or Polling Place. I go to the commissary early when no one is there and get everything else online. I will continue to do so until we have this virus under control. (Which won't be until we get the orange bungler out of office)

Fear mongering and nothing more..........cooking the books..........and we have never fucked our country for a pandemic like this time.

You are full of shit.

There will be 200,000 Americans dead in 6 months and you don't care...

Please campaign with that message...

Only 200k? More than that die per year.

Of what? What do 200,000 people die from in a six month period?

Old age

 

[Seawytch]

Get off your lazy asses and go vote..........you would do it for Taco bell..........Walmart........but to VOTE.........too dangerous ......COVID.

What a bunch of lying wankers.

Taco Bell has a drive through. Walmart has curbside. I can vote by mail. Jealous? You live in one of those suck ass absentee states?

You shouldn't be allowed to vote by mail without a certified reason for not going there........and vetted as in the past.

Your side will ballot harvest your asses off......you don't fool anyone..........We have to show up here......just down the road and have to show I.D.........

You don't want to do that because you can't cheat that way.

Good thing you don't make the rules because folks WANT to Vote by Mail during a deadly pandemic. Sucks for the people in those minority six states though.

Cool story bro.............so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.............

So scared can't come out of the house except to burn shit down............You don't fool anyone.......we know what you are and what you do....

Get off your lazy fat ass and go vote.

No, you don't have to be tested to know you have it, but you should be tested to know you aren't spreading it (and you should wear a mask).

Yes, I am concerned about getting a deadly virus that has killed almost 200,000 Americans in six months. I leave my home only when necessary and always wearing a mask. I avoid crowded areas and anywhere with a line...like a Vote Center or Polling Place. I go to the commissary early when no one is there and get everything else online. I will continue to do so until we have this virus under control. (Which won't be until we get the orange bungler out of office)

Fear mongering and nothing more..........cooking the books..........and we have never fucked our country for a pandemic like this time.

You are full of shit.

There will be 200,000 Americans dead in 6 months and you don't care...

Please campaign with that message...

Only 200k? More than that die per year.

Of what? What do 200,000 people die from in a six month period?

Old age

They aren't dying of old age, they are dying of COVID. Almost 200,000 Americans dead in just over six months. Thousands fewer could die if people would just wear the fucking mask.

We have to practically get undressed and we get full body scanned at airports because 3,000 people died. You'd think 200,000 would at least get us a National mask mandate.

 

[Dragonlady]

Its just starting..

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

Anti-universal mail ballot activists say the two states are a tip-off for what will happen in the Nov. 3 election.


Liberal journalists demand that the Trump administration, which opposes mass-mailed ballots in most states, provide evidence of fraud. The counterargument is that it is difficult to cite such examples when only a handful of states before 2020 adopted remote voting.

Public Interest Legal Foundation finds thousands of double voters

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

www.washingtontimes.com

The Moonie Times. You need better sources.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Get off your lazy asses and go vote..........you would do it for Taco bell..........Walmart........but to VOTE.........too dangerous ......COVID.

What a bunch of lying wankers.

Taco Bell has a drive through. Walmart has curbside. I can vote by mail. Jealous? You live in one of those suck ass absentee states?

You shouldn't be allowed to vote by mail without a certified reason for not going there........and vetted as in the past.

Your side will ballot harvest your asses off......you don't fool anyone..........We have to show up here......just down the road and have to show I.D.........

You don't want to do that because you can't cheat that way.

Good thing you don't make the rules because folks WANT to Vote by Mail during a deadly pandemic. Sucks for the people in those minority six states though.

Cool story bro.............so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it.............

So scared can't come out of the house except to burn shit down............You don't fool anyone.......we know what you are and what you do....

Get off your lazy fat ass and go vote.

No, you don't have to be tested to know you have it, but you should be tested to know you aren't spreading it (and you should wear a mask).

Yes, I am concerned about getting a deadly virus that has killed almost 200,000 Americans in six months. I leave my home only when necessary and always wearing a mask. I avoid crowded areas and anywhere with a line...like a Vote Center or Polling Place. I go to the commissary early when no one is there and get everything else online. I will continue to do so until we have this virus under control. (Which won't be until we get the orange bungler out of office)

Fear mongering and nothing more..........cooking the books..........and we have never fucked our country for a pandemic like this time.

You are full of shit.

There will be 200,000 Americans dead in 6 months and you don't care...

Please campaign with that message...

Only 200k? More than that die per year.

Of what? What do 200,000 people die from in a six month period?

Old age

They aren't dying of old age, they are dying of COVID. Almost 200,000 Americans dead in just over six months. Thousands fewer could die if people would just wear the fucking mask.

We have to practically get undressed and we get full body scanned at airports because 3,000 people died. You'd think 200,000 would at least get us a National mask mandate.

2.8mil die in the US every year. 95% of COVID deaths are due to someone having some other condition and or being very old and or fat. Masks. LOL....you are brainwashed by the media. And your conflation is stupid.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Its just starting..

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

Anti-universal mail ballot activists say the two states are a tip-off for what will happen in the Nov. 3 election.


Liberal journalists demand that the Trump administration, which opposes mass-mailed ballots in most states, provide evidence of fraud. The counterargument is that it is difficult to cite such examples when only a handful of states before 2020 adopted remote voting.

Public Interest Legal Foundation finds thousands of double voters

A legal foundation has filed two court briefs that assert that double voting by the thousands happened in 2016-2018 in Georgia and North Carolina, as the nation prepares for its first large-scale, mail-in balloting to elect a president.

www.washingtontimes.com

It might have happened in North Carolina. The GOP was already busted for that.

Not Voting twice, duplicate voters on the rolls.

Does it matter why you got caught cheating or the fact that you got caught that matters?

Not at all...I am just clarifying what the lawsuit is about. They want to stop Voting by mail, but it is about getting the cleanest possible rolls before ballots go out.

While cleaning up rolls in itself isn't bad DEPENDING on how it's done, if Trump can vote by mail, everyone can.

And if Trump can be troubled to apply for his absentee ballot, then anybody who needs to vote by mail can be troubled to do the same.

What did I reply to?

They want to stop Voting by mail

Call me crazy, but I assumed that Seawytch was saying that in reference to the specific argument about the universal mail in voting schemes that have been setup last minute, which is specifically what the Trump campaign, most of the Republican party, and most right wing voters are against.

Where is this being done and how would it not work when it works already in a few states?

It seems weird to me to assume that "voting by mail" was meant to be taken at its most literal possible meaning, including absentee voting, considering that I've seen precisely zero right wingers of any note making this argument. In fact, I don't even think I've seen any right wingers on this board saying we need to do away with absentee ballots.

No one is arguing that people need to shut up and go stand in line on voting day?

California, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, and Vermont have set up schemes to send mail in ballots automatically to all voters while a hand full of states are massively expanding absentee eligibility. The fact that we haven't prosecuted anybody for widespread voter fraud in these systems doesn't make them safe, IMO. We're estimating that 80 million votes (well over half of what was cast in the 2016 general) are going to be going through the mail, which means unsupervised chains of custody. If you leave your front door wide open and go to work, then get home to find that nobody's robbed you, it might just be evidence that you got lucky, and not proof that it's okay to leave your door open every day.

And yeah, I'm sure people have said to shut up and stand in line, I just think, as I said before, that taking such statements as literal and all-encompassing is pretty obviously strawman'ing the point.

Trump's vote is going through that system.

Your point?

It's all good. We should encourage people to vote in the manner that is as easiest for them and makes them the most comfortable.

Why should ease and comfort be the primary concerns when deciding the laws and leadership of our nation?

We shouldn't put restrictions on our Constitutional Rights.

So why not vote by phone or over the internet? That'd be even easier.

That would be great when we get it set up.

Wowzers. At least you're consistent with this goofy line of reasoning.

Out of curiosity, are you also opposed to restrictions on what firearms people are allowed to own, or people with felonies on record being allowed to own them, or a complete elimination of all need for ID or background checks when purchasing a firearm?

I believe if the government can own an arm the people should be allowed to also.......before you go there I understand the logistics with nuclear weapons.

The 2nd was wrote so people could use them against the government if necessary.

We may frequently disagree, but I've gotta admit that you have an interesting spread of opinions.

It's all the same opinion. To not violate people's rights. Our rights are more than the 2nd is it not?

Yeah, no, you definitely appear to be consistent with that principle. Interesting because I didn't take you for a libertarian, but I'm admittedly not the greatest at remembering which viewpoints are associated with which screennames.

It's not even that. I believe in things Libertarians do not BUT I also believe doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing and often times when left with two candidates that I believe are wrong I will go with the Libertarian candidate. I'm leaning to Jo this time.

Answer me this. People argue all the time that people should just give in when faced with a police officer that is going to violate your civil rights and take it up with the courts. That is of course a lie for many because we see those very people get upset when people win in the courts.......but that aside.

What if the argument was..........just let the government take your guns and fight it out in the court to get them back.

Would that be acceptable?

It's not acceptable in any situation for the police to violate someone's rights, but there's a pretty broad range of particular situations and likely consequences to consider.

If the police showed up to my door right now to confiscate weapons, I would personally allow them to do so and then fight it in court, but only because I don't see it as even remotely likely that they'd be doing so to disarm me as part of a larger plot to use drastic force against me. A legal misunderstanding, even one used to leverage against me a law that I find to be oppressive, is rarely a reason for a fight to the death, which is essentially what any fight against the state is. On the other hand, if I saw them coming down the street knocking on every door for that purpose, I might consider throwing away my scabbard, so to speak, and making them pry my firearm from my cold, dead fingers, but I would do so with the understanding that I'd be forfeiting my life for that principle.

At any rate, in a lot of the high profile police brutality situations of late, the idea that any particular one was initiated by a blatant violation of the victim's rights is debatable to say the least. I would definitely say that, in situations where no such obvious violation occurs, it's reasonable for police officers to violently defend themselves against people who try to fight their way out of getting arrested. From the citizen's perspective, it sucks, but if it seems like the officer is just wrong, but might be acting in good faith with the mistaken belief that you've committed a crime, yeah, I'd generally recommend you suck it up, endure the injustice, and try to redress the situation in court after the fact.

Where voting's concerned, I consider it to be a similarly complex question. I don't like the idea of disenfranchising anyone, but I see that as a justification for an in-person setup with ID required absolutely. Every illegitimate vote cancels out a legitimate opposing vote. The only significant difference between that and actively barring that disenfranchised voter from entering the polling place, is that said legitimate voter would at least be AWARE that he was getting fucked. I also don't see how not expanding voting to allow people to do it from home is tantamount to restricting that right. Nowhere does the constitution directly assert that there's a right to vote that cannot be infringed. We have to infer that right's existence based on the 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments. Together, these amendments state that the right to vote can't be denied based on race (15th), sex (19th), unpaid taxes (24th), or age for people at least 18 years old (26th). The most recent of these amendments was passed in 1971, a full 27 years before Oregon became the first state to offer universal mail in voting. I see no reason to believe that anyone ever intended for there to be a right to vote that was unduly repressed if people were generally required to show up and exercise this right in person, given that this was already the case when these amendments were passed, and none of them even mention it. Moreover, I find it ludicrous to believe that anybody's right to vote is protected by neglecting the integrity of the process and subjecting it to potential mass fraud.

The means to how a person votes was entirely left up to the states.

Not arguing that. Just showing that, as far as voting being a constitutional right, the only thing that the constitution stipulates is the collection of criteria for which voting CANNOT be denied. Not wanting to show up at the polls because one is afraid of getting sick isn't on the list. Thus, I don't view it as a restriction of a constitutional right to require that people generally vote in person.

It probably isn't but we should make sure our rights are as easy to exercise as possible.

If that ease of exercise renders the election so obviously and completely vulnerable to massive fraud, what's the point? What good is the right to vote when the vote becomes meaningless?

If Trump can safely mail in his vote, everyone can.

BS.

Absentee ballots sent out by request and limited only to those with a good reason for requiring that leeway don't create NEARLY the same logistical issues as mass mail-in voting, or NEARLY the same vulnerability to mass fraud as sending out EVERYBODY'S ballots in one crack and leaving them all in the hands of unsupervised postal carriers.

And before you drop that common, "It's been working in the mail-in states so far" argument. . . If massive numbers of ballots are passed down unsupervised chains of custody, how would we even know about tampering taking place?

And, for the record, absentee voting isn't NEARLY as safe as in person voting, if you want your vote to be counted. Mail gets lost all the time.

The GOP was caught cheating in a standard election in North Carolina. I saw no uproar. No calling for holding anyone accountable, so these complaints ring hollow.

I don't care what other republicans get mad about or don't get mad about. I don't want ANY political party cheating elections.

Also, how is pointing out that republicans have cheated an election NOT an argument for more secure elections?

We should note......they cheated but they were caught. There has been no problem in the states having all mail in.

I'm not even arguing that but if people want to mail in their ballot they should be able to.

There've been no problems recorded in the mail-in states. But if, for instance, several postal carriers decided to destroy massive numbers of pamphlets in their care, how would you know?

That would be kinda like how the politicians now try and shut down polling stations to discourage people from voting.

So you ask me a "what if and I'll reply with a what did and note one way to counter that.

Same with voter ID. If we're not going out of our way to verify that the people voting are who they claim to be, how would we know if people are using that vulnerability to vote illegitimately?

Lots of things can happen if you want to go there and I do not know all the safeguards in place. I just now as you noted, there have been no problems.

Shutting down polling places, insofar as it actually prevents people from voting, isn't something I'm a fan of, either. I wonder, however, why it is that you think that pointing out a type of electoral gamesmanship that takes place justifies a system vulnerable to other forms. Wouldn't it be better to shore up all holes than just say fuck it?

Lots of things CAN happen, and we absolutely SHOULD go there when planning our voting system. As far as characterizing my statement that no problems have been reported, as a statement that no fraud has happened, nice try.