Let's celebrate the Right to Keep and Bear arms...something the rest of the world has surrendered....

[2aguy]

Blah, blah. Same cut and paste drivel. Extrapolated guesswork based on limited sample "opinion polls", Even your 2021 National Firearms survey clearly states ESTIMATES, estimates are basically guesswork, next?

Funny......research shows us many things about life, yet you are now saying they shoe us nothing...

18-19 independent studies, conducted by both private and government research groups, most, if not all, anti-gun in their beliefs........the studies created by research professionals, trained in research techniques, implemented by trained research professionals....

And you say they are all wrong......

Boy, the dumb is strong with this one....

 

[2aguy]

Fair point. "but the answer to such problems is not to make guns freely available to everyone (without a criminal record, dishonourable discharge, or known mental health issue plus a few more minor categories) who wants one." OK?

Everyone is a "normal law abidding citizen" until they commit a crime, go mad, etc. They only lose any guns in their posession if authorities are aware they have them.

Everyone is a "normal law abidding citizen" until they commit a crime, go mad, etc.


Wrong.....not even close.......our murder is confined to tiny areas, primarily areas controlled by the democrat party....

Murderers are not normal people who have a bad day, they are individuals with long histories of crime and violence....as all research shows....you dipshit......

The Criminology of Firearms


Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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27 Statistics That Describe How Criminals Use and Obtain Illegal Firearms - Tier Three Tactical

The vast majority of violent crime in the US occurs amongst those that live a criminal lifestyle. In fact, this study showed that the average homicide victim, in Boston, over a four year period, had been criminally charged themselves an average of 12 times prior to their death.

This doesn’t mean that they are good or bad people, or that they are somehow less deserving of justice, but it does mean they were no strangers to crime themselves. As they say, violence begets violence.

You pull things out of your ass, and think you have deep insight into the issue....

http://www.haciendapublishing.com/m...art-ii-gun-violence-and-constitutional-issues


Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.

 

[2aguy]

Fair point. "but the answer to such problems is not to make guns freely available to everyone (without a criminal record, dishonourable discharge, or known mental health issue plus a few more minor categories) who wants one." OK?

Everyone is a "normal law abidding citizen" until they commit a crime, go mad, etc. They only lose any guns in their posession if authorities are aware they have them.

You guys never answer this question....if what you believe is true...how is it possible that as millions and millions of Americans bought, owned, and carried guns for 27 years, the gun murder rate went down 49%....

How do you explain that?


As millions and millions of Americans bought, owned, and carried guns, how is it possible, according to you, that the gun crime rate went down 75%.....

How do you explain that?

Over the last 27 years, up to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

 

[2aguy]

Fair point. "but the answer to such problems is not to make guns freely available to everyone (without a criminal record, dishonourable discharge, or known mental health issue plus a few more minor categories) who wants one." OK?

Everyone is a "normal law abidding citizen" until they commit a crime, go mad, etc. They only lose any guns in their posession if authorities are aware they have them.

And....since you poked you nose out of your hole......

Answer these questions......

To any women reading these posts.....note that the left wingers like vagabond, do not answer the following questions.........they refuse to answer them because of what they believe....that you being violently beaten, raped and murdered is the better outcome, than they allow you to own and carry a gun to save your life...


A woman is grabbed by a violent serial rapist at a bus stop, a train platform or in her apartment...he plans on beating, raping and murdering her. She has a gun, and can stop the rape with the gun......

Do you want her to use that gun to stop the rape?

A woman stops an attack with a gun, a brutal rape, torture and murder...in a public space....if you had the ability to go back in time, and prevent her from having that gun...would you?
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The British government will not allow a woman to own and carry a gun to prevent being gang raped in a London park.....saying she does not have "good reason," to own the gun.

A member of the House of Lords wants to quail hunt with his rich friends on his private country estate, and the British government gives him the gun....because he has "good reason."

Does this make sense to you?

 

[2aguy]

So you're one of those people who think everyone is just a criminal in waiting.

Maybe we should treat all men as rapists since they're not a rapist until they are right?

Yep....which is why they support totalitarian governments and their investigation techniques....in China, if they suspect a crime has been committed, they don't just scoop up the suspects...they scoop up the neighbors, friends, and family.....and beat them until they find the actual criminals....

This is the world vagabond supports.

 

[2aguy]

Never said it was, it's the same in the UK. Our gun crimes are almost always gang related. I lived in Nottingham in the early 2000's when the city was dubbed the gun crime capital of the UK, or "Shottingham" in the popular press. Almost all the violence was caused by a gang war between two gangs in two parts of the city St. Anne's and The Meadows. It got so bad that only armed police patrolled those areas. The situation improved when corrupt police were removed and a major crimes task force took out both the gangs. If you believed the popular press, however, Nottingham was awash with guns and had gunfights everywhere.

Similar situations exist today in many of our major cities, but the answer to such problems is not to make guns freely avaulable to everyone who wants one, To do so, can cause a Saturday night brawl or road rage incident to escalate into something far more deadly.

And the gun crime in the U.S. is the same...criminals murdering each other over crime, and insults.

27 years of American experience show you don't know what you are talking about.......as millions and millions of Americans owned and even carried guns in public....the gun murder rate went down, not up....

How do you explain that?

The gun crime rate went down, not up....how do you explain that?

Now, as your criminals become less European and more 3rd world, without the respect for British culture or British laws....and a complete lack of fear of British police as your left wing begins to hamstring your police....calling them racists and such......you are experiencing increasing levels of violence.....

yet you think you are immune to it.......

you are an idiot.

 

[2aguy]

Just more of an illustration that you have no real idea what life here is like .

The US is a big country and the fact is that 70% of all murders in this country take place in well defined depressed urban neighborhoods. This small number of hyper-violent inner city areas actually skew the murder rates for the entire country.

The drivers of the violence are a lot more complicated than mere gun laws. The powers that be know where these areas are and have chosen to do nothing about them because for the most part the murders are young minority males killing other young minority males and the cops, politicians and even the population in general just doesn't care about young minority males.

The murder rate for vast swaths of the rest of the country is extremely low but you people all seem to think that it's some homogeneous statistic. It's not

The drivers of our gun violence?

Fatherless homes, which provide gang members and criminals.......fatherless homes create crime, poverty and violence....

Britain is about to learn this lesson as their social welfare system has broken down their family and social systems to the point they can't keep kids out of crime anymore...

The democrat party and their policies then take the fatherless homes, and add the destruction of the police, and the release of known, repeat, violent gun offenders to the mix.....

Those are the factors driving our violent crime rates, not guns....

 

[Flash]

Celebrating old school....

I have a good buddy that is into cowboy action shooting. He is in his late 50s and retired and competes with fast draw. He is one of the top three in the state with fast draw. He practices for at least three hours every day. Some days he spends all day long practicing.

He goes through a ton of ammo. I help him do his reloads. He tried practicing with 22s but he says it is not the same as full loads. He says to be in the top he has to practice like he competes.

 

[2aguy]

I have a good buddy that is into cowboy action shooting. He is in his late 50s and retired and competes with fast draw. He is one of the top three in the state with fast draw. He practices for at least three hours every day. Some days he spends all day long practicing.

He goes through a ton of ammo. I help him do his reloads. He tried practicing with 22s but he says it is not the same as full loads. He says to be in the top he has to practice like he competes.

Yep....never had the interest in devoting that much time to something like that.......

 

[M14 Shooter]

Never said it didn't. My point was, you can just as easily have a "well regulated militia" armed with Bows, etc.

Technically, true - but irrelevant.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Everyone is a "normal law abidding citizen" until they commit a crime, go mad, etc. They only lose any guns in their posession if authorities are aware they have them.

That's how rights work in a free society - you get to exercise them freely, until such a time you do something that merits their removal.
We do not take guns from people because they might commit a crime for the same reason we do not imprison people because they might commit a crime.

 

[Vagabond63]

No you can't. Mastering the bow and arrow is much harder than mastering a firearm.

For some people, perhaps but it's still a valid alternative and a well regulated militia should provide adequate training...

 

[Vagabond63]

/-----/ You are not a drunk driver committing vehicular homicide until you are. Time to give up your car and driver's license. This could be you tomorrow morning driving to work. How can you be so irresponsible?
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Ah, yes, that old argument. Cars are not designed to kill people, but to get them from A to B; that's an unfortunate consequence of something going wrong. Guns however only have one function, to kill, so higher standards are necessary in my view.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Ah, yes, that old argument. Cars are not designed to kill people, but to get them from A to B; that's an unfortunate consequence of something going wrong. Guns however only have one function, to kill, so higher standards are necessary in my view.

/——/ Nice spin, gun grabber. Some cars are used to kill people. Some guns are used for sport and hunting food. What are knives designed for?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

/——/ Nice spin, gun grabber. Some cars are used to kill people.

Really?
Which cars would they be?

Some guns are used for sport and hunting food.

But what is the end result?
Do the guns tickle them to get them to climb into your oven or limb up on top of your grill?

What are knives designed for?

Cutting.

 

[Vagabond63]

So you're one of those people who think everyone is just a criminal in waiting.

Maybe we should treat all men as rapists since they're not a rapist until they are right?

I didn't say that, but ultimately it's a truism because sooner or later we all braek one law or another. Ever jay walked?

 

[Blues Man]

I didn't say that, but ultimately it's a truism because sooner or later we all braek one law or another. Ever jay walked?

So then I should just treat you like a murdering piece of shit right?

Maybe we should just revoke your driver's license now because it's only a matter of time before you get shitfaced and kill someone right?

And comparing Jaywalking to murder is beyond stupid.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Really?
Which cars would they be?

But what is the end result?
Do the guns tickle them to get them to climb into your oven or limb up on top of your grill?

Cutting.

/----/ Here ya go spanky. Now to prevent more murders with cars, take your car to the crusher. QuickStats: Average Number of Deaths from Motor Vehicle Injuries ...

 

[Cellblock2429]

Ah, yes, that old argument. Cars are not designed to kill people, but to get them from A to B; that's an unfortunate consequence of something going wrong. Guns however only have one function, to kill, so higher standards are necessary in my view.

/-----/ Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) shows that more people were murdered with knives (1,515) and “blunt objects” such as hammers (443) than with rifles (297). The numbers also show that fewer people were killed with shotguns (235) than with knives or blunt objects.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

/----/ Here ya go spanky. Now to prevent more murders with cars, take your car tp teh crusher. QuickStats: Average Number of Deaths from Motor Vehicle Injuries ...
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WOW.
I most certainly will take my truck to the crusher when you tell me.

So, WHICH CARS were MADE SPECIFICALLY for KILLING?