Lets elect moderates that aim to keep America number 1#

[TemplarKormac]

Instead of electing moderates, lets kick them all out and start over.

 

[Derideo_Te]

FUCK "MODERATES"!!!

I am so SICK of "moderates". These are "people" who have no principles. For most every issue, there's a right or wrong. When you "moderate" you're allowing WRONG ideas to get a foothold, making your policies never better than half-right.

Furthermore the bed wetters who are always wrong, never just accept "the deal". They come back for the other half and negate anything that was right about a law or policy.

DEFEAT THE LEFT,
crush their marxist agenda and make them so miserable they jump on rafts and "escape" to places already suffering under their policies such as Cuba and North Korea.

Just so that am I clear about where you stand. Slavery is wrong, right? So the Founding Fathers must have been "moderates" who had "no principles" since they reached a "deal" on the Constitution. Essentially by standing on your "principles" there would have been no United States of America at all. Please feel free to respond and correct any misunderstanding I might have gleaned from what you stated in your post.

I'm talking about current events and issues. What is it with you bed wetters and slavery anyway? Get the fuck over it already.

So the Founding Fathers being moderate and reaching a compromise that formed this nation was acceptable back then but suddenly now moderation and compromise are unacceptable? If the Founding Fathers were alive today and were recommending moderation and compromise on current events and issues would you be saying that they are wrong now?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

You do know the Great Depression started under Hoover?

Did you know it was caused by the fiat currency system of the Progressive Federal Reserve?

 

[Pete7469]

Just so that am I clear about where you stand. Slavery is wrong, right? So the Founding Fathers must have been "moderates" who had "no principles" since they reached a "deal" on the Constitution. Essentially by standing on your "principles" there would have been no United States of America at all. Please feel free to respond and correct any misunderstanding I might have gleaned from what you stated in your post.

I'm talking about current events and issues. What is it with you bed wetters and slavery anyway? Get the fuck over it already.

So the Founding Fathers being moderate and reaching a compromise that formed this nation was acceptable back then but suddenly now moderation and compromise are unacceptable? If the Founding Fathers were alive today and were recommending moderation and compromise on current events and issues would you be saying that they are wrong now?

They wouldn't compromise our rights away to the likes of you.

 

[bripat9643]

How about the left take a step towards the right
and the right take a step left.

Shake each others hand and get to work improving this nation.

How about the left move their asses to one of the socialist countries they want to copy and leave the rest of us alone. Now that's a compromise I could live with.

This is so typical of the conservative agenda. That's why you guys are beginning to lose ground. Keep that thinking up and the US will be completely run by the left.

Here's a compromise:

Let's allow half the number of immigrants into the country that are now allowed.

Let's cut the income tax rate in half to 19%.

Let's cut the amount of Social Security checks in half.

Let's eliminate half of all public schools and make the money available for vouchers.

What do you think of those "compromise" positions?

 

[bripat9643]

Go back to fixing, repairing and cutting waste republicans. The way you're going will kill your party....

Fixing healthcare, education, etc
Repairing roads and the economy
Cutting welfare and getting people back to work...

All about responsibility

Be the republicans of the 80s and 90s.


DO NOT run as you did in 2008, 2012....We do need the epa, science, tech and infrastructure.

Liberals are sworn enemies of your agenda. So what do you propose to do about that?

 

[dblack]

The problem with being a 'moderate' is that it's a completely relative label. Often, it's used as an excuse for those who don't want to discuss their ideology.

 

[bripat9643]

You do know the Great Depression started under Hoover?

Did you know it was caused by the fiat currency system of the Progressive Federal Reserve?

True. The biggest liberal schemes to bring on Utopia always take years before they collapse. Republicans always get the blame when the chickens come home to roost. The sub-prime mortgage debacle is another classic example of that.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I'm talking about current events and issues. What is it with you bed wetters and slavery anyway? Get the fuck over it already.

So the Founding Fathers being moderate and reaching a compromise that formed this nation was acceptable back then but suddenly now moderation and compromise are unacceptable? If the Founding Fathers were alive today and were recommending moderation and compromise on current events and issues would you be saying that they are wrong now?

They wouldn't compromise our rights away to the likes of you.

Which of your rights are being "compromised"?

 

[bripat9643]

So the Founding Fathers being moderate and reaching a compromise that formed this nation was acceptable back then but suddenly now moderation and compromise are unacceptable? If the Founding Fathers were alive today and were recommending moderation and compromise on current events and issues would you be saying that they are wrong now?

They wouldn't compromise our rights away to the likes of you.

Which of your rights are being "compromised"?

How about my 4th Amendment rights to be secure in my houses, papers and effects?

 

[dblack]

So the Founding Fathers being moderate and reaching a compromise that formed this nation was acceptable back then but suddenly now moderation and compromise are unacceptable? If the Founding Fathers were alive today and were recommending moderation and compromise on current events and issues would you be saying that they are wrong now?

They wouldn't compromise our rights away to the likes of you.

Which of your rights are being "compromised"?

Due process, freedom of association, economic freedom, privacy, equal protection, rule of law, etc, etc....

 

[Derideo_Te]

They wouldn't compromise our rights away to the likes of you.

Which of your rights are being "compromised"?

Due process, freedom of association, economic freedom, privacy, equal protection, rule of law, etc, etc....

My recollection is that all of that happened when the Patriot Act was passed back in 2001. I don't recall any outrage when due process rights were denied to those imprisoned in Gitmo. I also don't recall any protests when privacy was being violated during the "War on Terror" either. If you want completely unfettered "economic freedom" with absolutely no government regulations then you should become a pirate and move to Somalia.

What puzzles me is that the far right embraced all of these compromises of their rights when they were first enacted but now suddenly blames the left who are simply carrying out the laws enacted by right. Why was it OK back then but now it is no longer is acceptable?

 

[dblack]

Which of your rights are being "compromised"?

Due process, freedom of association, economic freedom, privacy, equal protection, rule of law, etc, etc....

My recollection is that all of that happened when the Patriot Act was passed back in 2001. I don't recall any outrage when due process rights were denied to those imprisoned in Gitmo. I also don't recall any protests when privacy was being violated during the "War on Terror" either.

It was there. The lapdog media ignored it, but libertarians were raising hell, rest assured. There were even some liberals complaining.

If you want completely unfettered "economic freedom" with absolutely no government regulations then you should become a pirate and move to Somalia.

That old saw? Not sure what 'unfettered' is supposed to mean, but politically, economic freedom requires a legal framework that defends property rights. None of that in Somalia. It sounds like you're talking about anarchy. Which is different.

What puzzles me is that the far right embraced all of these compromises of their rights when they were first enacted but now suddenly blames the left who are simply carrying out the laws enacted by right. Why was it OK back then but now it is no longer is acceptable?

Because they're hypocrites? I dunno. The left is just as bad. They were with us when Bush was doing all this shit. Now that they're running things, it's all fine and dandy.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Due process, freedom of association, economic freedom, privacy, equal protection, rule of law, etc, etc....

My recollection is that all of that happened when the Patriot Act was passed back in 2001. I don't recall any outrage when due process rights were denied to those imprisoned in Gitmo. I also don't recall any protests when privacy was being violated during the "War on Terror" either.

It was there. The lapdog media ignored it, but libertarians were raising hell, rest assured. There were even some liberals complaining.

So the "lapdog media" was doing the bidding of the Bush Administration?

If you want completely unfettered "economic freedom" with absolutely no government regulations then you should become a pirate and move to Somalia.

That old saw? Not sure what 'unfettered' is supposed to mean, but politically, economic freedom requires a legal framework that defends property rights. None of that in Somalia. It sounds like you're talking about anarchy. Which is different.

In which case there is no such thing as "economic freedom" if it requires a legislated framework within which it must operate.

What puzzles me is that the far right embraced all of these compromises of their rights when they were first enacted but now suddenly blames the left who are simply carrying out the laws enacted by right. Why was it OK back then but now it is no longer is acceptable?

Because they're hypocrites? I dunno. The left is just as bad. They were with us when Bush was doing all this shit. Now that they're running things, it's all fine and dandy.

Therein lies the rub. If Romney were in the Oval office there would still be Obamacare. That will still apply even if a Republican wins in 2016 too. The difference is marginal at best because it is largely corporations who control politicians. If We the People want our government back then we are going to have to fight the corporations for it. Right now we are far too divided to present the kind of united front that will win back that power.

 

[Derideo_Te]

The problem with being a 'moderate' is that it's a completely relative label. Often, it's used as an excuse for those who don't want to discuss their ideology.

Good point. Speaking as an Independent I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Above all else my ideology puts the American people themselves first and foremost above the interests of the corporations.

 

[bripat9643]

Which of your rights are being "compromised"?

Due process, freedom of association, economic freedom, privacy, equal protection, rule of law, etc, etc....

My recollection is that all of that happened when the Patriot Act was passed back in 2001. I don't recall any outrage when due process rights were denied to those imprisoned in Gitmo. I also don't recall any protests when privacy was being violated during the "War on Terror" either. If you want completely unfettered "economic freedom" with absolutely no government regulations then you should become a pirate and move to Somalia.

What puzzles me is that the far right embraced all of these compromises of their rights when they were first enacted but now suddenly blames the left who are simply carrying out the laws enacted by right. Why was it OK back then but now it is no longer is acceptable?

The criminals in Gitmo are enemy combatants captured on the battlefield, not American citizens. They have no 4th Amendment rights. If you think I'm a big supporter of the Patriot Act, you're mistaken. I oppose almost every line of it. Furthermore, Somalia is not an example of free enterprise. It also doesn't have "limited government." It has despotic unlimited government.

Obama has gone far beyond the patriot act. Nothing in the patriot act authorizes the spying the NSA is doing on American citizens.

Isn't it amazing how liberals turn into supporters of the American Gestapo the minute their guy is put in charge? I always say, scratch a liberal and you'll find a Nazi underneath.

 

[bripat9643]

The problem with being a 'moderate' is that it's a completely relative label. Often, it's used as an excuse for those who don't want to discuss their ideology.

Good point. Speaking as an Independent I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Above all else my ideology puts the American people themselves first and foremost above the interests of the corporations.

You're about as "fiscally conservative" as Ted Kennedy.

 

[ScienceRocks]

What ever we do WE want to be a first world nation.

Why not elect politicians that want that too?

 

[ScienceRocks]

The problem with being a 'moderate' is that it's a completely relative label. Often, it's used as an excuse for those who don't want to discuss their ideology.

Good point. Speaking as an Independent I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Above all else my ideology puts the American people themselves first and foremost above the interests of the corporations.

Hating on the corporation that gives our nation innovativeness, wealth and jobs = isn't wise. I agree that people should have rights and fair pay....

 

[Derideo_Te]

The problem with being a 'moderate' is that it's a completely relative label. Often, it's used as an excuse for those who don't want to discuss their ideology.

Good point. Speaking as an Independent I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Above all else my ideology puts the American people themselves first and foremost above the interests of the corporations.

Hating on the corporation that gives our nation innovativeness, wealth and jobs = isn't wise. I agree that people should have rights and fair pay....

No hate for corporations at all. They just need to be removed from any and all influence in politics. We the People are supposed to have a government FOR the people themselves. That is not happening while corporations are able to buy politicians. What I want to see is a "wall of separation" between politics and corporations.