Let's face it: America kind of sucks

[Leo123]

Yes fixing what is wrong with our country, a country most of us love. Sad to say rampant party politics is causing the biggest hurt.

I say kick the Marxists out who want to ‘build back better’ and ‘fix’ America.

 

[alang1216]

All that do have extremely attenuated mobility between economic classes.

Nearly every country in the world—particularly those that issue their own currency—has a central bank. In fact, even unrecognized countries such as Abkhazia have central banks. As a rule, central banks operate independently so as to avoid any political influence upon their actions and policymaking decisions.

Countries that have no central bank:

Andorra​

Isle of Man​

Kiribati​

Marshall Islands​

Micronesia​

Monaco​

Nauru​

Palau​

Panama​

Tuvalu​

Which of these countries do you wish to emulate?

They get medical services that are vastly more affordable, because there aren't the hordes of costly middlmen "helping" them.

Do you know what the cost of a birth was in the 1940s, before all this "free" mediacal care?....About $600 in today's money....Easily affordable to anyone.

You get what you pay for:

 

[Leo123]

Even if YOU don’t have kids
Your taxes pay for schools

Even if YOU are illiterate
Your property taxes pay for public libraries

If you don’t believe in human caused global climate change your taxes pay for that too in the form of government subsidies.

 

[alang1216]

I'm fed up with wealth inequality, especially the guys making millions for simply throwing a ball around. That's not fair.

You should rent out a stadium and see how much people will pay to see you toss a ball. You might be surprised. Or not.

 

[alang1216]

Any country ANYWHERE should try to GET BETTER

How do you do that with facing your problems?

 

[alang1216]

You have no concept of fairness, do you?

I guess that goes with you Moon Bats being as confused about Ethics as you are Economics, History, Biology, Climate Science and the Constitution.

It is thievery to take the money I earned and give it to somebody that didn't earn it it. Just because the fucking government does rather than Tony Soprano doesn't make it any less of a thief.

You didn't asnwer my question. Why should I work to pay your bills? Why shouldn't you be required to pay your own bills? Is it because you are a greedy sorry individual and you think you are entitled to my earned money?

I answered your question but you're too ideologically stunted to understand. Not surprisingly you didn't answer my question.

 

[BS Filter]

You should rent out a stadium and see how much people will pay to see you toss a ball. You might be surprised. Or not.

Isn't that "wealth inequality"?

 

[alang1216]

I never said any of that.

The OP stated 4 problems with the US and you addressed none of them. So I'd say you did, indirectly.

 

[flan327]

I'm fed up with wealth inequality, especially the guys making millions for simply throwing a ball around. That's not fair.

Then VOTE for someone else

 

[flan327]

Isn't that "wealth inequality"?

Dallas Cowboys

 

[alang1216]

Yes it is a great country. That’s why people risk there lives to get here. It would be better if we could keep the illegal criminal aliens from hopping our border though.

Well at least you tried to offer a suggestion although I doubt there are any who want to allow criminals into the US, legal or not.

 

[Flash]

Even if YOU don’t have kids
Your taxes pay for schools

Even if YOU are illiterate
Your property taxes pay for public libraries

There are legitimate functions of government and non legitimate.

Most Americans have no problem with their tax money being used to provide a literacy education for the community providing it focuses on reading, writing and arithmetic.

Defense, courts, police etc are all legitimate. Collecting money on the community level for garbage collection and fire protection are usually considered acceptable.

Most Americans don't mind a fuel tax to build roads that they use because after all there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Welfare, subsidies, bailouts, grants and entitlements are absolutely destructive and unnecessary functions of government. Nothing more than government thievery for special interest groups.

Davy Crockett was more than a Disney character. He was a real person and a Congressman. He wrote a nice little discussion on why the government should never be in the business of transferring funds from those that earned it to those that didn't. Just is just as valid today as it was when he wrote it.

https://fee.org/media/14953/notyourstogive.pdf

Not Yours to Give

 

[Leo123]

The OP stated 4 problems with the US and you addressed none of them. So I'd say you did, indirectly.

Well at least you tried to offer a suggestion although I doubt there are any who want to allow criminals into the US, legal or not.

Biden all but invited them in. He has ignored the problem at our border. Border Patrol is overwhelmed.

 

[healthmyths]

Republicans like to pretend that the US is the best country in the world in every way because they cannot stand the thought of other countries doing something better than us. However, the main flaws the US has are much of less of issues in other first world countries.

1) Our healthcare system is garbage with or without ObamaCare.

Republicans like to harp on ObamaCare and pretend that it is rhe reason why our system sucks, but when you ask them the simple of question of "well, was our system good before ObamaCare?", they will refuse to answer. Secretly they know that our healthcare system has always sucked but they will not admit that out loud. But hell, at least ACA improved it to some degree. Republicans secretly like the idea of their healthcare coverage not being denied because of pre-existing conditions, but its another thing they will not admit out loud. Obama came up with it so the knee jerk reaction is that it is terrible.

I also want to point out the myth that republicans have about other first world healthcare systems. They pretend that wait lists run rampant for basic care and that these people suffer. That's of course not true. Systems in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea are all quite high functioning even if they are not perfect.

Here's all the ways comparable, first world national healthcare systems are superior to the US's:

A. Life expectancy is better
B. Premature death rates are lower.
C. Less suffering with long term chronic diseases
D. Healthcare quality and access is far better
E. Maternal morality rates are better.
G. Hospital rates are lower for chronic diseases.
H. Post-operative complications are lower in prevalence.
I. Medication and procedure errors are lower.

And oh yeah, this is thanks to socialized medicine rather than shitty for-profit healthcare very few people can afford.

Now you say that the US does have state of the art treatments in some examples, but this hardly matters if the large majority of the population does not have access to this ridiculously expensive care and the overall nation suffers in areas where it matters most.

How does the quality of the U.S. health system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Despite spending more money per capita on healthcare than any similarly large and wealthy nation, the United States has a lower life expectancy than peer nations and has seen worsening health outcomes since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. This chart collection combines various measures of...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

2. Infrastructure systems are better in comparable nations.

A. The US ranks 13th in infrastructure quality in the world.
B. Only 2% of our GDP spending goes to infrastructure.
C. Airports in other countries are better.
D. High speed rail in the US is half of the speed of comparable countries.
E. Internet connection is much better in other countries.
F. Our roads are shitty in comparison to these other nations. Traffic jams are less severe in such nations.

That's far from "American exceptionalism." Hell, Biden gets credit for at least passing a law making improvements even if it was not enough.



3. Gun violence in the US is far greater than in other countries like Australia, the UK, and Canada.

A. Mass shootings are far more common in the US than other politically stable countries.
B. Gun murders account for 79% of all murders in the US. In Canada it is 37%, Australia 13%, and the UK is 4%
C. Gun deaths per capita are FAR higher than in other countries.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

4) Wealth inequality is one of the worst in the world.

In 2020, the top 20% of the population earned 52.2% of all U.S. income. The median household income fell significantly for the first time since 2011 to $67,521. That's 2.9% down from 2019's number. The richest of the rich, the top 5%, earned 23% of all income.

The Cause of Income Inequality in America

U.S. income inequality has worsened significantly in the past 30 years. What does income inequality look like in the United States and what are the causes?

www.thebalance.com

5) Poverty rates are lower in other counties.

Denmark, Finland, and Sweden are proof that poverty in the US doesn't have to be this high

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Conclusion: America kind of sucks. I know inevitably the response I am going to get to this thread will be somewhere along the lines of "if you don't like it here, leave!" Well see the truth of the matter is that I think America is great in some ways and I would rather stay here and fix what is wrong with it.

Strange though one miserable country so behind in so many characteristics still has 24% of the world's GDP.

GDP by Country - Worldometer

Countries in the world ranked by Gross Domestic Product (GDP). List and ranking of GDP growth, GDP per capita and couuntry share of World's GDP

www.worldometers.info

and strange with all the bad elements you described... these people still want to COME to the USA in spite
of all the bad things you pointed out!

Which countries do migrants want to move to?

14% of the world’s population wants to move. Here’s where they want to go.

www.weforum.org

 

[healthmyths]

Biden all but invited them in. He has ignored the problem at our border. Border Patrol is overwhelmed.

Biden DID invite them! I quote his speech
We all should remember that people, ALL people remember very simple words...like....
when Biden encouraged illegals to:
"I would, in fact, make sure that there is, we immediate surge to the border, "

 

[alang1216]

Biden all but invited them in. He has ignored the problem at our border. Border Patrol is overwhelmed.

How exactly did he invite in criminal aliens?

 

[Billy000]

Strange though one miserable country so behind in so many characteristics still has 24% of the world's GDP.

GDP by Country - Worldometer

Countries in the world ranked by Gross Domestic Product (GDP). List and ranking of GDP growth, GDP per capita and couuntry share of World's GDP

www.worldometers.info

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and strange with all the bad elements you described... these people still want to COME to the USA in spite
of all the bad things you pointed out!

Which countries do migrants want to move to?

14% of the world’s population wants to move. Here’s where they want to go.

www.weforum.org

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I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. I never suggested there weren’t things to be proud of.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

I presume nowhere near the Muslims who kidnap wealthy people.
One of my relatives through marriage left the Philippines for the US because of that.

No, we are actually settling on Cebu…

Can’t go into the Davao region at all…

 

[Billy000]

Children in Poverty - America......

Overweight, sitting on their ass playing video games and eating junk food.

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Poverty in poor countries.... maybe you can see a difference.


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This is such a stupid point to make. My post is clearly about how poverty compares to other first world nations.

 

[Leo123]

How exactly did he invite in criminal aliens?

By stopping the wall for one. We now have millions of dollars worth of material sitting useless. The Border Patrol is understaffed. He said he wanted to pay illegal aliens separated from their families $450,000 each. Biden reversed President Trump's strict immigration and border policies. Biden stopped the 'remain in Mexico' program. He upheld Obama's 'catch and release' policy. Biden tried to end title 42 as well. Neither Biden nor his named border Czar Harris has even gone to the border. All of these policies encourge coyotes and cartel members to hop our border. There are videos of cartel members being caught with 50 lbs of drugs in their backpacks. When border patrol chases them the drop the backpacks and hide. Also, the cartel uses children as their ticket to claim asylum. Many of these children have no parent with them because someone is paid to use them. Here is a video showing the results of Biden's lax border policy.


Even a leftist media outlet like NBC couldn't ignore this.


They're sending unaccompanied minors.

Honduran MS-13 gang member with prior deportations sentenced for drug, gun crimes

A Honduran MS-13 gang member was sentenced for 90 months in federal prisons for drug and gun crimes, the Department of Justice announced Friday.

www.foxnews.com