Let's face it: America kind of sucks

[bigrebnc1775]

Republicans like to pretend that the US is the best country in the world in every way because they cannot stand the thought of other countries doing something better than us. However, the main flaws the US has are much of less of issues in other first world countries.

1) Our healthcare system is garbage with or without ObamaCare.

Republicans like to harp on ObamaCare and pretend that it is rhe reason why our system sucks, but when you ask them the simple of question of "well, was our system good before ObamaCare?", they will refuse to answer. Secretly they know that our healthcare system has always sucked but they will not admit that out loud. But hell, at least ACA improved it to some degree. Republicans secretly like the idea of their healthcare coverage not being denied because of pre-existing conditions, but its another thing they will not admit out loud. Obama came up with it so the knee jerk reaction is that it is terrible.

I also want to point out the myth that republicans have about other first world healthcare systems. They pretend that wait lists run rampant for basic care and that these people suffer. That's of course not true. Systems in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea are all quite high functioning even if they are not perfect.

Here's all the ways comparable, first world national healthcare systems are superior to the US's:

A. Life expectancy is better
B. Premature death rates are lower.
C. Less suffering with long term chronic diseases
D. Healthcare quality and access is far better
E. Maternal morality rates are better.
G. Hospital rates are lower for chronic diseases.
H. Post-operative complications are lower in prevalence.
I. Medication and procedure errors are lower.

And oh yeah, this is thanks to socialized medicine rather than shitty for-profit healthcare very few people can afford.

Now you say that the US does have state of the art treatments in some examples, but this hardly matters if the large majority of the population does not have access to this ridiculously expensive care and the overall nation suffers in areas where it matters most.

How does the quality of the U.S. health system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Despite spending more money per capita on healthcare than any similarly large and wealthy nation, the United States has a lower life expectancy than peer nations and has seen worsening health outcomes since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. This chart collection combines various measures of...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

2. Infrastructure systems are better in comparable nations.

A. The US ranks 13th in infrastructure quality in the world.
B. Only 2% of our GDP spending goes to infrastructure.
C. Airports in other countries are better.
D. High speed rail in the US is half of the speed of comparable countries.
E. Internet connection is much better in other countries.
F. Our roads are shitty in comparison to these other nations. Traffic jams are less severe in such nations.

That's far from "American exceptionalism." Hell, Biden gets credit for at least passing a law making improvements even if it was not enough.



3. Gun violence in the US is far greater than in other countries like Australia, the UK, and Canada.

A. Mass shootings are far more common in the US than other politically stable countries.
B. Gun murders account for 79% of all murders in the US. In Canada it is 37%, Australia 13%, and the UK is 4%
C. Gun deaths per capita are FAR higher than in other countries.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

4) Wealth inequality is one of the worst in the world.

In 2020, the top 20% of the population earned 52.2% of all U.S. income. The median household income fell significantly for the first time since 2011 to $67,521. That's 2.9% down from 2019's number. The richest of the rich, the top 5%, earned 23% of all income.

The Cause of Income Inequality in America

U.S. income inequality has worsened significantly in the past 30 years. What does income inequality look like in the United States and what are the causes?

www.thebalance.com

5) Poverty rates are lower in other counties.

Denmark, Finland, and Sweden are proof that poverty in the US doesn't have to be this high

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Conclusion: America kind of sucks. I know inevitably the response I am going to get to this thread will be somewhere along the lines of "if you don't like it here, leave!" Well see the truth of the matter is that I think America is great in some ways and I would rather stay here and fix what is wrong with it.

Bye-bye

 

[Billy000]

99% White, schmuck.

Why are you making this about race? Race has absolutely nothing to do with my post lol

 

[Billy000]

Bye-bye

Oh gee you sure showed me!

 

[iamwhatiseem]

99% White, schmuck.

He is trying hard.... really hard... all that Kool Aid has mind fucked him to the point he simply cannot process reality

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Republicans like to pretend that the US is the best country in the world in every way because they cannot stand the thought of other countries doing something better than us. However, the main flaws the US has are much of less of issues in other first world countries.

1) Our healthcare system is garbage with or without ObamaCare.

Republicans like to harp on ObamaCare and pretend that it is rhe reason why our system sucks, but when you ask them the simple of question of "well, was our system good before ObamaCare?", they will refuse to answer. Secretly they know that our healthcare system has always sucked but they will not admit that out loud. But hell, at least ACA improved it to some degree. Republicans secretly like the idea of their healthcare coverage not being denied because of pre-existing conditions, but its another thing they will not admit out loud. Obama came up with it so the knee jerk reaction is that it is terrible.

I also want to point out the myth that republicans have about other first world healthcare systems. They pretend that wait lists run rampant for basic care and that these people suffer. That's of course not true. Systems in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea are all quite high functioning even if they are not perfect.

Here's all the ways comparable, first world national healthcare systems are superior to the US's:

A. Life expectancy is better
B. Premature death rates are lower.
C. Less suffering with long term chronic diseases
D. Healthcare quality and access is far better
E. Maternal morality rates are better.
G. Hospital rates are lower for chronic diseases.
H. Post-operative complications are lower in prevalence.
I. Medication and procedure errors are lower.

And oh yeah, this is thanks to socialized medicine rather than shitty for-profit healthcare very few people can afford.

Now you say that the US does have state of the art treatments in some examples, but this hardly matters if the large majority of the population does not have access to this ridiculously expensive care and the overall nation suffers in areas where it matters most.

How does the quality of the U.S. health system compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Despite spending more money per capita on healthcare than any similarly large and wealthy nation, the United States has a lower life expectancy than peer nations and has seen worsening health outcomes since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. This chart collection combines various measures of...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

2. Infrastructure systems are better in comparable nations.

A. The US ranks 13th in infrastructure quality in the world.
B. Only 2% of our GDP spending goes to infrastructure.
C. Airports in other countries are better.
D. High speed rail in the US is half of the speed of comparable countries.
E. Internet connection is much better in other countries.
F. Our roads are shitty in comparison to these other nations. Traffic jams are less severe in such nations.

That's far from "American exceptionalism." Hell, Biden gets credit for at least passing a law making improvements even if it was not enough.



3. Gun violence in the US is far greater than in other countries like Australia, the UK, and Canada.

A. Mass shootings are far more common in the US than other politically stable countries.
B. Gun murders account for 79% of all murders in the US. In Canada it is 37%, Australia 13%, and the UK is 4%
C. Gun deaths per capita are FAR higher than in other countries.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

4) Wealth inequality is one of the worst in the world.

In 2020, the top 20% of the population earned 52.2% of all U.S. income. The median household income fell significantly for the first time since 2011 to $67,521. That's 2.9% down from 2019's number. The richest of the rich, the top 5%, earned 23% of all income.

The Cause of Income Inequality in America

U.S. income inequality has worsened significantly in the past 30 years. What does income inequality look like in the United States and what are the causes?

www.thebalance.com

5) Poverty rates are lower in other counties.

Denmark, Finland, and Sweden are proof that poverty in the US doesn't have to be this high

Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...

www.vox.com

Conclusion: America kind of sucks. I know inevitably the response I am going to get to this thread will be somewhere along the lines of "if you don't like it here, leave!" Well see the truth of the matter is that I think America is great in some ways and I would rather stay here and fix what is wrong with it.

Feel free to leave this country, and emigrate to another more to your liking. You'll likely be happier somewhere else, and this country will certainly be better with one less of your kind in it.

 

[Indeependent]

Why are you making this about race? Race has absolutely nothing to do with my post lol

Of course it does.
You cannot move to these nations unless you are a proven financial success.
The US accepts anyone.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Of course it does.
You cannot move to these nations unless you are a proven financial success.
The US accepts anyone.

Absolutely.
He would be having a seizure on the floor... foaming at the mouth, if America used the same immigration policies of these countries he worships foolishly

 

[Billy000]

Feel free to leave this country, and emigrate to another more to your liking. You'll likely be happier somewhere else, and this country will certainly be better with one less of your kind in it.

Lol so many of you are saying this. You have this expectation when you say it for me to be like “oh wow he sure put me in my place!” Sorry it doesn’t have that effect. I already anticipated you all saying this and i addressed it in the conclusion of my OP. Read that and get back to me.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

And what is hilarious... these two nations he mentions... catastrophically high cost of living and the home prices are stratospheric.

Look at this... these little 3 bdrm villas in Switzerland.
The price....
$3,000,000 US Dollars

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAa

 

[alang1216]

By stopping the wall for one. We now have millions of dollars worth of material sitting useless.

So a wall that never existed encouraged criminals to come to the US?

The Border Patrol is understaffed.

Doesn't Congress fund them? Did Biden cut their staff?

He said he wanted to pay illegal aliens separated from their families $450,000 each.

President Biden says his administration will not financially compensate families who were separated at the border with up to $450,000 in damages, rejecting reports about the hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments as “garbage.”

Biden reversed President Trump's strict immigration and border policies.

Some say strict some say inhumane.

Biden stopped the 'remain in Mexico' program.

He wanted to but he didn't. It is still our policy.

He upheld Obama's 'catch and release' policy.

A policy that actually worked.

Biden tried to end title 42 as well.

Good, if it became common US citizens may have trouble traveling abroad.

Neither Biden nor his named border Czar Harris has even gone to the border.

And that matters how?

All of these policies encourge coyotes and cartel members to hop our border. There are videos of cartel members being caught with 50 lbs of drugs in their backpacks. When border patrol chases them the drop the backpacks and hide. Also, the cartel uses children as their ticket to claim asylum. Many of these children have no parent with them because someone is paid to use them. Here is a video showing the results of Biden's lax border policy.

The border has always been a mess and drug smuggling is hardly news.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Oh gee you sure showed me!

You are free to leave

 

[Leo123]

So a wall that never existed encouraged criminals to come to the US?


Doesn't Congress fund them? Did Biden cut their staff?


President Biden says his administration will not financially compensate families who were separated at the border with up to $450,000 in damages, rejecting reports about the hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments as “garbage.”


Some say strict some say inhumane.


He wanted to but he didn't. It is still our policy.


A policy that actually worked.


Good, if it became common US citizens may have trouble traveling abroad.


And that matters how?


The border has always been a mess and drug smuggling is hardly news.

The parts of he wall that were built certainly did work. Just ask the Border Patrol. Come on now, if Biden was strong on border security Congress would follow. They why did Biden say he would compensate them in the first place? 'Some say' a lot of things. Biden suspended deportation and stopped Remain In Mexico policy Jan 21, 2021. Catch and release certainly worked in favor of illegal immigration. Title 42 would not significantly affect US Citizens. Biden and Harris are showing they couldn't care less about our porous border by not going there. They are obviously willfully ignorant of the problems there. The border 'mess' is worse than ever under Biden.

 

[Correll]

Most adults realize the world is not black and white. It is as childish to claim America 'sucks' as it is to claim the inverse. Every country, every person, every religion, every city, etc., has both positives and negatives.

And yet, instead of attacking the op, and his "childish claim", you wish to discuss how you agree with him.


How very strange.

 

[gipper]

So a wall that never existed encouraged criminals to come to the US?


Doesn't Congress fund them? Did Biden cut their staff?


President Biden says his administration will not financially compensate families who were separated at the border with up to $450,000 in damages, rejecting reports about the hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments as “garbage.”


Some say strict some say inhumane.


He wanted to but he didn't. It is still our policy.


A policy that actually worked.


Good, if it became common US citizens may have trouble traveling abroad.


And that matters how?


The border has always been a mess and drug smuggling is hardly news.

Agree or no?

“Those at the top of the system—the billionaires, corporations, mass media, and both corporate parties—are never going to change the capitalist system that made them rich. They will continue to exploit and extract as much as they can until the people rise up & stop them.”

 

[Calypso Jones]

If the country sucks....



It's Biden's fault.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

As my post pointed out, poverty is better in Denmark, Finland, and Sweden. So no, America does not have lowest poverty metrics.

Denmark, Finland, and Sweden are proof that poverty in the US doesn't have to be this high

Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...

www.vox.com

Denmark, Finland, and Sweden all have poverty rates above 12%

Poverty Rate by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

25 US States have lower poverty.

PS: Your link is outdated data. Sweden's poverty rate is 17% due to open borders. 46 states have lower poverty.

 

[healthmyths]

I don't blame them for wanting to come here either but, we need sensible border policies. We don't even know who we are letting in this country. I am not naive enough to believe there are no criminals among them. If you want to let all these people in, then provide Border Patrol with more assets instead of claiming they are whipping migrants. Maybe the National Guard? Re-establish 'stay in Mexico', finish the wall, show these people that our border is not porous. We want vetted, legal immigrants. We need to know who they are. We can't just capture them, put them on planes and send them into the interior of the U.S. with a promise they will go to court.

Remember...Joe "encouraged" illegal crossings!
"I would, in fact, make sure that there is, we immediate surge to the border, "

And he DID!...

So a wall that never existed encouraged criminals to come to the US?


Doesn't Congress fund them? Did Biden cut their staff?


President Biden says his administration will not financially compensate families who were separated at the border with up to $450,000 in damages, rejecting reports about the hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments as “garbage.”


Some say strict some say inhumane.


He wanted to but he didn't. It is still our policy.


A policy that actually worked.


Good, if it became common US citizens may have trouble traveling abroad.


And that matters how?


The border has always been a mess and drug smuggling is hardly news.

And Biden urged, encourage with these exact words...
I would, in fact, make sure that there is—we immediately surge to the border, all those people seeking asylum.” - Candidate Biden in September of 2019.

And of course ALL those crossing the border were seeking asylum...right?

 

[Indeependent]

Denmark, Finland, and Sweden all have poverty rates above 12%

Poverty Rate by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

25 US States have lower poverty.

PS: Your link is outdated data. Sweden's poverty rate is 17% due to open borders. 46 states have lower poverty.

I believe Sweden allowed Muslims in.

 

[alang1216]

The parts of he wall that were built certainly did work. Just ask the Border Patrol.

The GOP controlled all of the gov't in 2016 yet no money was budgeted. Where was Mexico when we needed them?

Come on now, if Biden was strong on border security Congress would follow.

Trump was strong on border security but nada from Congress, GOP or Dem.

They why did Biden say he would compensate them in the first place? 'Some say' a lot of things.

Did he say that or did someone say he said that. I await your link because I couldn't find one.

 

[Calypso Jones]

It's possible there is a third party forming...rightwingers.