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It shows the bottom 80% have far less than they did. That's a pretty large percent of the population. I'd say there is more wealth inequality than there was in 1983.
Sorry, they do not have "far less." What you are seeing there is the result of the real estate bubble bursting, not them suddenly getting poor. The bursting real estate bubble actually affected the rich people more than it did the poor.
Well are talking about wealth inequality. They have a far smaller % so inequality has increased. The numbers I've seen have the bottom 80% going from 18.7 in 1983 to 11.1 in 2010. Meanwhile the top 20% went from 81.3 to 88.9. It would seem the rich are doing better than the bottom 80%.
Your links for NY firefighter and teachers still leaves them well out of the top 20%. So again isn't it bad then that their wealth as a percent of overall wealth is going down? It would seem there is now much less wealth equality for them.
The top 20% in income starts somewhere around $90,000. NYFD pays that after 5 years. You want to try and argue that most firefighters quit before they reach 5 years, or do you want to admit you don't know what you are talking about?
Firefighter Benefits and Salary
From what sources I find breaking the top 20% required around 99,000. So I think at best you can say some firefighters from very expensive cities might make it. But saying firefighters, police officers, and teachers are in the top 20% is not very honest. Most certainly are not.
Regardless the wealth of the bottom 80% has gone down vs the top 20%. That equals more wealth inequality. And it's gone down by a lot.
Your links for NY firefighter and teachers still leaves them well out of the top 20%. So again isn't it bad then that their wealth as a percent of overall wealth is going down? It would seem there is now much less wealth equality for them.
The top 20% in income starts somewhere around $90,000. NYFD pays that after 5 years. You want to try and argue that most firefighters quit before they reach 5 years, or do you want to admit you don't know what you are talking about?
Firefighter Benefits and Salary
It appears wealth is actually going down for the bottom 93 percent.
A Rise in Wealth for the Wealthy; Declines for the Lower 93% | Pew Social & Demographic Trends
I have been told it causes crime, gun violence, and is unfair. I say that it isn't a problem and that life ain't fair.
Anyone want to tell me why I am wrong?
Look at nations with no middle class.
Why do conservative free marketeers as well as liberal economists propose and support schemes like the negative income tax?
Life isn't fair and what human culture and society have done since a few generations removed from swinging in the trees is mitigate this fact. For in the long run,, the benefit of the many benefits the few. You can take that to the bank
Well, there's income inequality and then there's wealth disparity. When the top 10% of the nation owns more wealth than the bottom 90% combined, there is something wrong. No country can long stand with such a disparity of wealth.
You act as if that is something new instead of the natural state of things since the beginning of time.
Actually...there is NO natural state of things. It is what culture nd society are all about...mutual benefit through cooperation.
Naturally life is not fair. It never will be.
But does being poor cause the above? Yes, and when the scales or gap is so wide does this issue really become a problem.
Being poor does not cause crime, despite the numerous studies from the wackos that tried to say otherwise.
NO ONE has ever said EVER being poor CAUSES crime. With that little slight of hand you're moving the goalposts.
If it did rich expletive would never break the law, yet they do. Poor moral choices cause crime.
Wow thanks Capt obvious, Rich people have money! Well damn, learn something new everyday like...you only have your gums bumping as proofBefore you try to argue that poor people are more likely to commit a crime than a rich person I want to point out the obvious fact that rich people can afford lawyers and are thus much more likely to get away with crime than poor people. This skews the statistics to make it look like poor people are more likely to commit crime because there are more poor people convicted.
The top 20% in income starts somewhere around $90,000. NYFD pays that after 5 years. You want to try and argue that most firefighters quit before they reach 5 years, or do you want to admit you don't know what you are talking about?
Firefighter Benefits and Salary
From what sources I find breaking the top 20% required around 99,000. So I think at best you can say some firefighters from very expensive cities might make it. But saying firefighters, police officers, and teachers are in the top 20% is not very honest. Most certainly are not.
Regardless the wealth of the bottom 80% has gone down vs the top 20%. That equals more wealth inequality. And it's gone down by a lot.
The Census Bureau puts it at less than $90,000. Unless you want to argue that their data is off, I will stick with their numbers, and you can shove your sources up our ass.
Being poor does not cause crime, despite the numerous studies from the wackos that tried to say otherwise.
NO ONE has ever said EVER being poor CAUSES crime. With that little slight of hand you're moving the goalposts.
Wow thanks Capt obvious, Rich people have money! Well damn, learn something new everyday like...you only have your gums bumping as proofBefore you try to argue that poor people are more likely to commit a crime than a rich person I want to point out the obvious fact that rich people can afford lawyers and are thus much more likely to get away with crime than poor people. This skews the statistics to make it look like poor people are more likely to commit crime because there are more poor people convicted.
Are you stupid? Plasma ball just said that being poor causes crime, yet you are arguing that no one ever said it.
Come back and addresses the issues after you pull your head out of your ass.
NO ONE has ever said EVER being poor CAUSES crime. With that little slight of hand you're moving the goalposts.
Wow thanks Capt obvious, Rich people have money! Well damn, learn something new everyday like...you only have your gums bumping as proof
Are you stupid? Plasma ball just said that being poor causes crime, yet you are arguing that no one ever said it.
Come back and addresses the issues after you pull your head out of your ass.
I repeat, NO ONE EVER says that being poor CAUSES crime. If I'm broke and reach in my pocket I don't pull out a robbery idiot.
Poverty causes people to do things to survive. Sometimes those things are against the law. You cant disagree with it so you'll just continue being sarcastic because you lack
1. A point and
2. See #1
I have been told it causes crime, gun violence, and is unfair. I say that it isn't a problem and that life ain't fair.
Anyone want to tell me why I am wrong?
Naturally life is not fair. It never will be.
But does being poor cause the above? Yes, and when the scales or gap is so wide does this issue really become a problem.
Are you stupid? Plasma ball just said that being poor causes crime, yet you are arguing that no one ever said it.
Come back and addresses the issues after you pull your head out of your ass.
I repeat, NO ONE EVER says that being poor CAUSES crime. If I'm broke and reach in my pocket I don't pull out a robbery idiot.
Poverty causes people to do things to survive. Sometimes those things are against the law. You cant disagree with it so you'll just continue being sarcastic because you lack
1. A point and
2. See #1
I repeat, Plasmaball did.
I have been told it causes crime, gun violence, and is unfair. I say that it isn't a problem and that life ain't fair.
Anyone want to tell me why I am wrong?
Naturally life is not fair. It never will be.
But does being poor cause the above? Yes, and when the scales or gap is so wide does this issue really become a problem.
Take it up with him since you are the one insisting he is wrong.
Poverty causes people to do things to survive. Sometimes those things are against the law. You cant disagree with it so you'll just continue being sarcastic because you lack
1. A point and
2. See #1
Actually...there is NO natural state of things. It is what culture nd society are all about...mutual benefit through cooperation.
Right, now lets all dance around the may pole with flowers in our hair singing "I'd like to buy the world a coke".
communes and been tried and all failed miserably.
Whatever in the whacky wingnut world are you yapping about this time?
Civilization, culture, society -- without it we are mere beasts.
Right, now lets all dance around the may pole with flowers in our hair singing "I'd like to buy the world a coke".
communes and been tried and all failed miserably.
Whatever in the whacky wingnut world are you yapping about this time?
Civilization, culture, society -- without it we are mere beasts.
I agree, the issue is what kind of civilization, culture, or society we want to live in.
You seem to want a government controlled marxist collectivist kind of system. I want individual freedom and opportunity----the problem you libs have with that is that real freedom includes the freedom to fail, you want the govt to keep everyone from ever failing and you want to punish those who succeed.
Right, now lets all dance around the may pole with flowers in our hair singing "I'd like to buy the world a coke".
communes and been tried and all failed miserably.
Whatever in the whacky wingnut world are you yapping about this time?
Civilization, culture, society -- without it we are mere beasts.
I agree, the issue is what kind of civilization, culture, or society we want to live in.
You seem to want a government controlled marxist collectivist kind of system. I want individual freedom and opportunity----the problem you libs have with that is that real freedom includes the freedom to fail, you want the govt to keep everyone from ever failing and you want to punish those who succeed.
Right, now lets all dance around the may pole with flowers in our hair singing "I'd like to buy the world a coke".
communes and been tried and all failed miserably.
Whatever in the whacky wingnut world are you yapping about this time?
Civilization, culture, society -- without it we are mere beasts.
What do progressives know about civilization, culture, or society? Their idealogy is a poison to all three.
This thread is a keeper...let us hope poor little Windy never complained about a shrinking middle class or one being destroyed, since we know where that kind of alarmist rhetoric leads us...I have been told it causes crime, gun violence, and is unfair. I say that it isn't a problem and that life ain't fair.
Anyone want to tell me why I am wrong?
Look at nations with no middle class.
Why do conservative free marketeers as well as liberal economists propose and support schemes like the negative income tax?
Life isn't fair and what human culture and society have done since a few generations removed from swinging in the trees is mitigate this fact. For in the long run,, the benefit of the many benefits the few. You can take that to the bank
Look at nations without a middle class? How? There isn't one anywhere on this planet, and has never been one. It would be easier for me to look at nations that have warp drive.
I repeat, NO ONE EVER says that being poor CAUSES crime. If I'm broke and reach in my pocket I don't pull out a robbery idiot.
Poverty causes people to do things to survive. Sometimes those things are against the law. You cant disagree with it so you'll just continue being sarcastic because you lack
1. A point and
2. See #1
I repeat, Plasmaball did.
Take it up with him since you are the one insisting he is wrong.
You know he is not but when you have a bullshit as your point, you cant move past bullshitting everyone. Like I said
You know its true and I know it true. You cannot disagree with it without appearing even stupiderPoverty causes people to do things to survive. Sometimes those things are against the law. You cant disagree with it so you'll just continue being sarcastic because you lack
1. A point and
2. See #1
This thread is a keeper...let us hope poor little Windy never complained about a shrinking middle class or one being destroyed, since we know where that kind of alarmist rhetoric leads us...Look at nations with no middle class.
Why do conservative free marketeers as well as liberal economists propose and support schemes like the negative income tax?
Life isn't fair and what human culture and society have done since a few generations removed from swinging in the trees is mitigate this fact. For in the long run,, the benefit of the many benefits the few. You can take that to the bank
Look at nations without a middle class? How? There isn't one anywhere on this planet, and has never been one. It would be easier for me to look at nations that have warp drive.
Destruction of a middle class implies a nation that has one can exist without one
I repeat, Plasmaball did.
Take it up with him since you are the one insisting he is wrong.
You know he is not but when you have a bullshit as your point, you cant move past bullshitting everyone. Like I said
You know its true and I know it true. You cannot disagree with it without appearing even stupiderPoverty causes people to do things to survive. Sometimes those things are against the law. You cant disagree with it so you'll just continue being sarcastic because you lack
1. A point and
2. See #1
How the fuck do you know what I know? Can you read my mind? What am I thinking now?
Wrong.
You act as if that is something new instead of the natural state of things since the beginning of time.
Actually...there is NO natural state of things. It is what culture nd society are all about...mutual benefit through cooperation.
What makes that unnatural?
