Let's Talk About This "Stand Down" Order Thing....

[francoHFW]

No one was close enough to help, and he wasn't tortured. Pubs cut security funding twice, and there were no lies, clueless hater dupe.

Why do you repeat lies?

Dems accuse GOP of cutting security funding in Libya despite majority Dem support for vote | The Daily Caller

House Democrats opened Wednesday’s House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing by attacking Republicans for cuts to embassy security funding — cuts that only happened thanks to overwhelming support from House Democrats, including House Oversight Committee Ranking Democratic member Rep. Elijah Cummings. In fact, more House Democrats – 149 of them — voted for the cuts than did House Republicans, of which 147 voted for them.​

Dude?

franco lies about everything.

It's only a question of HOW the Pub propaganda machine is lying to you chumps. In this case, Dems voted yes on these cuts to avoid even bigger ones...

The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank breaks it all down:
For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program — well below the $2.15 billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.
[GOP vice presidential nominee Paul] Ryan, [Rep. Darrell] Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
“It’s also important to note,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said last week, “that the Republican appropriation in Congress gave the administration $300 million less than it asked for for the State Department, including funding for security.”
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Don't you EVER get tired of being lied to, dingbats...

 

[dilloduck]

Sit down and STFU! lol

failed to answer that one I noticed.

 

[francoHFW]

Not arguing your brainwashed irrelevancies....

 

[Andylusion]

Now as I understand it the Team in Lybia were the only line of defense for our personnel in Tripoli, so I agree with the order.

We could not leave them unprotected.

But they were INDEED told to stay in Tripoli.

Was there only one single team of people in Tripoli? Was there no way to leave some behind, while supporting our people in Benghazi?

 

[Antares]

No, he was told to sit down and stfu lol...because he was a stupid fool...

Amazing how the hater dupes get brainwashed into obsessing about irrelevant minutia...

There you go...parsing words again.

 

[dilloduck]

Not arguing your brainwashed irrelevancies....

how is someone being told to " sit down and stfu " not relevant to the OP regarding a Stand Down order ?

 

[Antares]

Not arguing your brainwashed irrelevancies....

how is someone being told to " sit down and stfu " not relevant to the OP regarding a Stand Down order ?

One must insert oneself into francoworld.

 

[KissMy]

When it came to Benghazi we were willing to leave men behind even if we couldn't get there in time to save these men does that mean we don't even try?

[MENTION=36422]blackhawk[/MENTION]

Why are you bashing the US Military?

Do you despise the US Military?

Are you a subversive or traitor?

 

[BlindBoo]

[No, stay in Tripoli] <> [Stand Down]

 

[Antares]

[No, stay in Tripoli] <> [Stand Down]

That IS effectively what it was, but it WAS for the right reason.

 

[francoHFW]

Not arguing your brainwashed irrelevancies....

how is someone being told to " sit down and stfu " not relevant to the OP regarding a Stand Down order ?

One must insert oneself into francoworld.

BS. YOU are saying no such order came from the Obama administration. End of "scandal"- just like all the other BS scandals.


See "Dems voted for cutting funding "lie" from the Daily Caller, another pure crap site.- DON"T YOU DUPES EVER GET TIRED OF BEING LIED TO? You live on a planet of total bs...

It's only a question of HOW the Pub propaganda machine is lying to you chumps. In this case, Dems voted yes on these cuts to avoid even bigger ones...

The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank breaks it all down:
For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program — well below the $2.15&#8201;billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.
[GOP vice presidential nominee Paul] Ryan, [Rep. Darrell] Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
“It’s also important to note,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said last week, “that the Republican appropriation in Congress gave the administration $300 million less than it asked for for the State Department, including funding for security.”
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[baker001]

I've always had the feeling, that if the soldiers guarding the embassy in Tripoli HAD mounted a rescue mission to the diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, leaving the actually US Embassy virtually unprotected and then Tripoli was attacked...

...all we'd be hearing about is how Obama got easily distracted (like a baby by a shiny toy) by an obvious feint at a minor outpost and that any idiot could understand that the Embassy should have been protected at all costs, that the US's duty was to the embassy itself and Obummer is a moron and there must be a cover up and blah blah blah.

Even if in such a situation the Embassy hadn't been attacked, it would have been spun that the Embassy had been dangerously under protected during any rescue mission (successful or not).

And can you imagine the out-cry from the Right had a rescue mission been launched, had been unsuccessful (with casualties amongst the rescuers) AND the Tripoli Embassy had been attacked/taken over? Good grief!

I honestly think no matter what had happened, the Right would have tried to hang Obama and the State Dept. from the rafters with it.

 

[Antares]

how is someone being told to " sit down and stfu " not relevant to the OP regarding a Stand Down order ?

One must insert oneself into francoworld.

BS. YOU are saying no such order came from the Obama administration. End of "scandal"- just like all the other BS scandals.


See "Dems voted for cutting funding "lie" from the Daily Caller, another pure crap site.- DON"T YOU DUPES EVER GET TIRED OF BEING LIED TO? You live on a planet of total bs...

It's only a question of HOW the Pub propaganda machine is lying to you chumps. In this case, Dems voted yes on these cuts to avoid even bigger ones...

The Washington Post&#8217;s Dana Milbank breaks it all down:
For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department&#8217;s Worldwide Security Protection program &#8212; well below the $2.15&#8201;billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration&#8217;s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration&#8217;s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans&#8217; proposed cuts to her department would be &#8220;detrimental to America&#8217;s national security&#8221; &#8212; a charge Republicans rejected.
[GOP vice presidential nominee Paul] Ryan, [Rep. Darrell] Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan&#8217;s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
&#8220;It&#8217;s also important to note,&#8221; House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said last week, &#8220;that the Republican appropriation in Congress gave the administration $300 million less than it asked for for the State Department, including funding for security.&#8221;
http://search.tb.ask.com/search/redi...g==&ord=0&

Here is what I am saying franco, this is ALL I am saying Gibson and his team were locked and loaded, ready to go.

Admiral Losey told them NOOO, stay put you already have a mission, and that mission was to protect American Personnel in Tripoli.

Thats it.

I think even YOU might be able to fathom that....and THAT is all I've been saying throughout this thread.

 

[dilloduck]

I've always had the feeling, that if the soldiers guarding the embassy in Tripoli HAD mounted a rescue mission to the diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, leaving the actually US Embassy virtually unprotected and then Tripoli was attacked...

...all we'd be hearing about is how Obama got easily distracted (like a baby by a shiny toy) by an obvious feint at a minor outpost and that any idiot could understand that the Embassy should have been protected at all costs, that the US's duty was to the embassy itself and Obummer is a moron and there must be a cover up and blah blah blah.

Even if in such a situation the Embassy hadn't been attacked, it would have been spun that the Embassy had been dangerously under protected during any rescue mission (successful or not).

And can you imagine the out-cry from the Right had a rescue mission been launched, had been unsuccessful (with casualties amongst the rescuers) AND the Tripoli Embassy had been attacked/taken over? Good grief!

I honestly think no matter what had happened, the Right would have tried to hang Obama and the State Dept. from the rafters with it.

If Obama had stood up and relayed to us exactly what had happened right when it happened instead of lying about it for the sake of politics he may have garnered some respect.

 

[Antares]

One must insert oneself into francoworld.

BS. YOU are saying no such order came from the Obama administration. End of "scandal"- just like all the other BS scandals.


See "Dems voted for cutting funding "lie" from the Daily Caller, another pure crap site.- DON"T YOU DUPES EVER GET TIRED OF BEING LIED TO? You live on a planet of total bs...

It's only a question of HOW the Pub propaganda machine is lying to you chumps. In this case, Dems voted yes on these cuts to avoid even bigger ones...

The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank breaks it all down:
For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program — well below the $2.15&#8201;billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.
[GOP vice presidential nominee Paul] Ryan, [Rep. Darrell] Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
“It’s also important to note,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said last week, “that the Republican appropriation in Congress gave the administration $300 million less than it asked for for the State Department, including funding for security.”
http://search.tb.ask.com/search/redi...g==&ord=0&

Here is what I am saying franco, this is ALL I am saying Gibson and his team were locked and loaded, ready to go.

Admiral Losey told them NOOO, stay put you already have a mission, and that mission was to protect American Personnel in Tripoli.

Thats it.

I think even YOU might be able to fathom that....and THAT is all I've been saying throughout this thread.

As an aside, this sort of thing would not have been Obama's call, it was Losey's call.

 

[BlindBoo]

We have been told repeatedly in regards to the trade of the Taliban five and Bowe Bergdahl we leave no man behind yet when it came to Benghazi we were willing to leave men behind even if we couldn't get there in time to save these men does that mean we don't even try?

The CIA operatives and their Libyan militia allies launched a counter offensive about 25 minutes after the initial assault. They drove the attackers away from the consulate building long enough to find all survivors and the body of Sean Smith. The only one missing was the ambassador. All were taken to the safety of CIA annex. The Body of the ambassador was returned about 5:00 that morning. By 10:00 they were all on a plane to Tripoli.

 

[blackhawk]

When it came to Benghazi we were willing to leave men behind even if we couldn't get there in time to save these men does that mean we don't even try?

[MENTION=36422]blackhawk[/MENTION]

Why are you bashing the US Military?
I'm not I'm asking why did we not try if they had been given the go ahead they would have done any and everything possible to save those men.
Do you despise the US Military?
No.
Are you a subversive or traitor?

No.

 

[daveman]

No one was close enough to help, and he wasn't tortured. Pubs cut security funding twice, and there were no lies, clueless hater dupe.

Why do you repeat lies?

Dems accuse GOP of cutting security funding in Libya despite majority Dem support for vote | The Daily Caller

House Democrats opened Wednesday’s House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing by attacking Republicans for cuts to embassy security funding — cuts that only happened thanks to overwhelming support from House Democrats, including House Oversight Committee Ranking Democratic member Rep. Elijah Cummings. In fact, more House Democrats – 149 of them — voted for the cuts than did House Republicans, of which 147 voted for them.​

Dude?

franco lies about everything.

Oh, I know. It's pathological.

 

[francoHFW]

One must insert oneself into francoworld.

BS. YOU are saying no such order came from the Obama administration. End of "scandal"- just like all the other BS scandals.


See "Dems voted for cutting funding "lie" from the Daily Caller, another pure crap site.- DON"T YOU DUPES EVER GET TIRED OF BEING LIED TO? You live on a planet of total bs...

It's only a question of HOW the Pub propaganda machine is lying to you chumps. In this case, Dems voted yes on these cuts to avoid even bigger ones...

The Washington Post&#8217;s Dana Milbank breaks it all down:
For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department&#8217;s Worldwide Security Protection program &#8212; well below the $2.15&#8201;billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration&#8217;s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration&#8217;s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans&#8217; proposed cuts to her department would be &#8220;detrimental to America&#8217;s national security&#8221; &#8212; a charge Republicans rejected.
[GOP vice presidential nominee Paul] Ryan, [Rep. Darrell] Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan&#8217;s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
&#8220;It&#8217;s also important to note,&#8221; House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said last week, &#8220;that the Republican appropriation in Congress gave the administration $300 million less than it asked for for the State Department, including funding for security.&#8221;
http://search.tb.ask.com/search/redi...g==&ord=0&

Here is what I am saying franco, this is ALL I am saying Gibson and his team were locked and loaded, ready to go.

Admiral Losey told them NOOO, stay put you already have a mission, and that mission was to protect American Personnel in Tripoli.

Thats it.

I think even YOU might be able to fathom that....and THAT is all I've been saying throughout this thread.

And THAT means there's no scandal. As it was they drove off the attackers almost immediately. The panic room was a mess...Pub cuts? If we had disgraceful propaganda macine, that's what it would be saying. But we're not a bunch of stupid a-holes...

 

[daveman]

Ham doesn't know shytte about mission security funding, fool. But Pubs sure know how to steer the dupes wrong, lol.

But some fucking internet retard knows ALLLLL about it?

You mindlessly repeat what you're told to repeat. You have as much independent will as a digital voice recorder.