Liberalism: Making the French Revolution Its Own.

[francoHFW]

Your refutation of reason and truth is noted lol. BTW, the wars were unleashed by the surrounding monarchies. That's when things started to get bad, dumbass.

 

[francoHFW]

Blaming Rousseau and Diderot for Nazis is absolutely ridiculous lol.

 

[francoHFW]

We're into Liberal Fascism territory here...

 

[NYcarbineer]

2. Our revolution produced documents and a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government, the beliefs of Classical Liberals, or what we call 'conservatives' today. Its template was the amalgam of Judeo-Christian biblical tradition and Anglo-Saxon Common Law.
It is for this reason that America did not become the abattoir, the slaughter house, that France became.


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No, we fought a bloody war of independence, multiple wars of expansion against the native peoples, a much much much bloodier civil war, followed by even more wars against the native people.

That was our slaughter house.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Blaming Rousseau and Diderot for Nazis is absolutely ridiculous lol.

Back for another lesson in the history of totalitarian 'progress'???

Sure.

1. The French Revolution, under Robespierre interpreted violence as the ‘language’ that explained to the masses the ideals of the revolution. “If the spring of popular government in times of peace is virtue, the springs of popular government in revolution are at once virtue and terror….Terror is nothing other than justice.” Robespierre speech, February 5, 1794.

a. “For the first time in history terror became an official government policy, with the stated aim to use violence in order to achieve a higher political goal. Unlike the later meaning of 'terrorists' as people who use violence against a government, the terrorists of the French Revolution were the government. The Terror was legal, having been voted for by the Convention.” http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5829848/Robespierre-and-the-terror-Marisa.html


2. Now, leap forward to the 'son' of the French Revolution, the Bolshevik one....
"The use of famine as a weapon of the state against the populace is generally considered to be a Stalinist innovation (later taken up by Mao and other Communist leaders)....punitive food rationing...mass starvation..."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread: Laughter And The Twenty Milllion," p. 138


3. And let's remember....both Nazis and Communists tip their helmets to Karl Marx.
A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925


The hallmark of every totalitarian institution is violence and terror used against their own citizens.


You'd know that if you ever studied history.

 

[francoHFW]

Blaming Rousseau and Diderot for Nazis is absolutely ridiculous lol.

Back for another lesson in the history of totalitarian 'progress'???

Sure.

1. The French Revolution, under Robespierre interpreted violence as the ‘language’ that explained to the masses the ideals of the revolution. “If the spring of popular government in times of peace is virtue, the springs of popular government in revolution are at once virtue and terror….Terror is nothing other than justice.” Robespierre speech, February 5, 1794.

a. “For the first time in history terror became an official government policy, with the stated aim to use violence in order to achieve a higher political goal. Unlike the later meaning of 'terrorists' as people who use violence against a government, the terrorists of the French Revolution were the government. The Terror was legal, having been voted for by the Convention.” http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5829848/Robespierre-and-the-terror-Marisa.html


2. Now, leap forward to the 'son' of the French Revolution, the Bolshevik one....
"The use of famine as a weapon of the state against the populace is generally considered to be a Stalinist innovation (later taken up by Mao and other Communist leaders)....punitive food rationing...mass starvation..."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread: Laughter And The Twenty Milllion," p. 138


3. And let's remember....both Nazis and Communists tip their helmets to Karl Marx.
A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925


The hallmark of every totalitarian institution is violence and terror used against their own citizens.


You'd know that if you ever studied history.

Robespierre was the perverted counterrevolution, dingbat dupe. How'd that work out for him? Your argument is gibberish.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Blaming Rousseau and Diderot for Nazis is absolutely ridiculous lol.

Back for another lesson in the history of totalitarian 'progress'???

Sure.

1. The French Revolution, under Robespierre interpreted violence as the ‘language’ that explained to the masses the ideals of the revolution. “If the spring of popular government in times of peace is virtue, the springs of popular government in revolution are at once virtue and terror….Terror is nothing other than justice.” Robespierre speech, February 5, 1794.

a. “For the first time in history terror became an official government policy, with the stated aim to use violence in order to achieve a higher political goal. Unlike the later meaning of 'terrorists' as people who use violence against a government, the terrorists of the French Revolution were the government. The Terror was legal, having been voted for by the Convention.” http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5829848/Robespierre-and-the-terror-Marisa.html


2. Now, leap forward to the 'son' of the French Revolution, the Bolshevik one....
"The use of famine as a weapon of the state against the populace is generally considered to be a Stalinist innovation (later taken up by Mao and other Communist leaders)....punitive food rationing...mass starvation..."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread: Laughter And The Twenty Milllion," p. 138


3. And let's remember....both Nazis and Communists tip their helmets to Karl Marx.
A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925


The hallmark of every totalitarian institution is violence and terror used against their own citizens.


You'd know that if you ever studied history.

Robespierre was the perverted counterrevolution, dingbat dupe. How'd that work out for him? Your argument is gibberish.

There is no argument.

I simply stated facts.

 

[David_42]

Blaming Rousseau and Diderot for Nazis is absolutely ridiculous lol.

Back for another lesson in the history of totalitarian 'progress'???

Sure.

1. The French Revolution, under Robespierre interpreted violence as the ‘language’ that explained to the masses the ideals of the revolution. “If the spring of popular government in times of peace is virtue, the springs of popular government in revolution are at once virtue and terror….Terror is nothing other than justice.” Robespierre speech, February 5, 1794.

a. “For the first time in history terror became an official government policy, with the stated aim to use violence in order to achieve a higher political goal. Unlike the later meaning of 'terrorists' as people who use violence against a government, the terrorists of the French Revolution were the government. The Terror was legal, having been voted for by the Convention.” http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5829848/Robespierre-and-the-terror-Marisa.html


2. Now, leap forward to the 'son' of the French Revolution, the Bolshevik one....
"The use of famine as a weapon of the state against the populace is generally considered to be a Stalinist innovation (later taken up by Mao and other Communist leaders)....punitive food rationing...mass starvation..."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread: Laughter And The Twenty Milllion," p. 138


3. And let's remember....both Nazis and Communists tip their helmets to Karl Marx.
A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925


The hallmark of every totalitarian institution is violence and terror used against their own citizens.


You'd know that if you ever studied history.

Robespierre was the perverted counterrevolution, dingbat dupe. How'd that work out for him? Your argument is gibberish.

There is no argument.

I simply stated facts.

*yawn* you're a nutcase who keeps dodging anything that crushes you, in every thread you do this, I went through them.

 

[francoHFW]

Blaming Rousseau and Diderot for Nazis is absolutely ridiculous lol.

Back for another lesson in the history of totalitarian 'progress'???

Sure.

1. The French Revolution, under Robespierre interpreted violence as the ‘language’ that explained to the masses the ideals of the revolution. “If the spring of popular government in times of peace is virtue, the springs of popular government in revolution are at once virtue and terror….Terror is nothing other than justice.” Robespierre speech, February 5, 1794.

a. “For the first time in history terror became an official government policy, with the stated aim to use violence in order to achieve a higher political goal. Unlike the later meaning of 'terrorists' as people who use violence against a government, the terrorists of the French Revolution were the government. The Terror was legal, having been voted for by the Convention.” http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5829848/Robespierre-and-the-terror-Marisa.html


2. Now, leap forward to the 'son' of the French Revolution, the Bolshevik one....
"The use of famine as a weapon of the state against the populace is generally considered to be a Stalinist innovation (later taken up by Mao and other Communist leaders)....punitive food rationing...mass starvation..."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread: Laughter And The Twenty Milllion," p. 138


3. And let's remember....both Nazis and Communists tip their helmets to Karl Marx.
A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925


The hallmark of every totalitarian institution is violence and terror used against their own citizens.


You'd know that if you ever studied history.

Robespierre was the perverted counterrevolution, dingbat dupe. How'd that work out for him? Your argument is gibberish.

There is no argument.

I simply stated facts.

"Facts" are simply part of your argument.

"a. “For the first time in history terror became an official government policy, with the stated aim to use violence in order to achieve a higher political goal."

However, unofficially, it always was lol. For the first time, transparency at least, in the French COUNTERrevolution.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Blaming Rousseau and Diderot for Nazis is absolutely ridiculous lol.

Back for another lesson in the history of totalitarian 'progress'???

Sure.

1. The French Revolution, under Robespierre interpreted violence as the ‘language’ that explained to the masses the ideals of the revolution. “If the spring of popular government in times of peace is virtue, the springs of popular government in revolution are at once virtue and terror….Terror is nothing other than justice.” Robespierre speech, February 5, 1794.

a. “For the first time in history terror became an official government policy, with the stated aim to use violence in order to achieve a higher political goal. Unlike the later meaning of 'terrorists' as people who use violence against a government, the terrorists of the French Revolution were the government. The Terror was legal, having been voted for by the Convention.” http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5829848/Robespierre-and-the-terror-Marisa.html


2. Now, leap forward to the 'son' of the French Revolution, the Bolshevik one....
"The use of famine as a weapon of the state against the populace is generally considered to be a Stalinist innovation (later taken up by Mao and other Communist leaders)....punitive food rationing...mass starvation..."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread: Laughter And The Twenty Milllion," p. 138


3. And let's remember....both Nazis and Communists tip their helmets to Karl Marx.
A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925


The hallmark of every totalitarian institution is violence and terror used against their own citizens.


You'd know that if you ever studied history.

Robespierre was the perverted counterrevolution, dingbat dupe. How'd that work out for him? Your argument is gibberish.

There is no argument.

I simply stated facts.

"Facts" are simply part of your argument.

"a. “For the first time in history terror became an official government policy, with the stated aim to use violence in order to achieve a higher political goal."

However, unofficially, it always was lol. For the first time, transparency at least, in the French COUNTERrevolution.

The terror as a tool against their own citizens.

Let's clarify exactly where you stand


1. Earlier you posted "Thank you, French Revolution."

2. And this:
In ‘The Social Contract’ Rousseau advocated death for anyone who did not uphold the common values of the community: the totalitarian view of reshaping of humanity, echoed in communism, Nazism, progressivism.


Only an imbecile would thank that.

 

[Moonglow]

American patriots did not have the same establishment on their necks , nor did they have the same form of govt. that was unwilling to compromise upon reform....reform of monarchical "Divine Right" regimes..

 

[Moonglow]

Blaming Rousseau and Diderot for Nazis is absolutely ridiculous lol.

Back for another lesson in the history of totalitarian 'progress'???

Sure.

1. The French Revolution, under Robespierre interpreted violence as the ‘language’ that explained to the masses the ideals of the revolution. “If the spring of popular government in times of peace is virtue, the springs of popular government in revolution are at once virtue and terror….Terror is nothing other than justice.” Robespierre speech, February 5, 1794.

a. “For the first time in history terror became an official government policy, with the stated aim to use violence in order to achieve a higher political goal. Unlike the later meaning of 'terrorists' as people who use violence against a government, the terrorists of the French Revolution were the government. The Terror was legal, having been voted for by the Convention.” http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5829848/Robespierre-and-the-terror-Marisa.html


2. Now, leap forward to the 'son' of the French Revolution, the Bolshevik one....
"The use of famine as a weapon of the state against the populace is generally considered to be a Stalinist innovation (later taken up by Mao and other Communist leaders)....punitive food rationing...mass starvation..."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread: Laughter And The Twenty Milllion," p. 138


3. And let's remember....both Nazis and Communists tip their helmets to Karl Marx.
A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925


The hallmark of every totalitarian institution is violence and terror used against their own citizens.


You'd know that if you ever studied history.

Robespierre was the perverted counterrevolution, dingbat dupe. How'd that work out for him? Your argument is gibberish.

There is no argument.

I simply stated facts.

"Facts" are simply part of your argument.

"a. “For the first time in history terror became an official government policy, with the stated aim to use violence in order to achieve a higher political goal."

However, unofficially, it always was lol. For the first time, transparency at least, in the French COUNTERrevolution.

The terror as a tool against their own citizens.

Let's clarify exactly where you stand


1. Earlier you posted "Thank you, French Revolution."

2. And this:
In ‘The Social Contract’ Rousseau advocated death for anyone who did not uphold the common values of the community: the totalitarian view of reshaping of humanity, echoed in communism, Nazism, progressivism.


Only an imbecile would thank that.

The Terror run by Robespierre was one that got out of hand, yet the Committee took care of the Terror, Robespierre....

 

[Jantje_Smit]

You'd know that if you ever studied history.

Eh, if you studied Ann Coulter you mean, not exactly the same thing

 

[NYcarbineer]

Blaming Rousseau and Diderot for Nazis is absolutely ridiculous lol.

Back for another lesson in the history of totalitarian 'progress'???

Sure.

1. The French Revolution, under Robespierre interpreted violence as the ‘language’ that explained to the masses the ideals of the revolution. “If the spring of popular government in times of peace is virtue, the springs of popular government in revolution are at once virtue and terror….Terror is nothing other than justice.” Robespierre speech, February 5, 1794.

a. “For the first time in history terror became an official government policy, with the stated aim to use violence in order to achieve a higher political goal. Unlike the later meaning of 'terrorists' as people who use violence against a government, the terrorists of the French Revolution were the government. The Terror was legal, having been voted for by the Convention.” http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5829848/Robespierre-and-the-terror-Marisa.html


2. Now, leap forward to the 'son' of the French Revolution, the Bolshevik one....
"The use of famine as a weapon of the state against the populace is generally considered to be a Stalinist innovation (later taken up by Mao and other Communist leaders)....punitive food rationing...mass starvation..."
Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread: Laughter And The Twenty Milllion," p. 138


3. And let's remember....both Nazis and Communists tip their helmets to Karl Marx.
A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925


The hallmark of every totalitarian institution is violence and terror used against their own citizens.


You'd know that if you ever studied history.

Robespierre was the perverted counterrevolution, dingbat dupe. How'd that work out for him? Your argument is gibberish.

There is no argument.

I simply stated facts.

You're admitting that your random listing of facts do not serve as support for the argument you're making?

Hey, that's progress on your part, because that's pretty much all you do.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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The horrors of the Industrial Revolution, brought on by capitalist greed, proved that the classical liberals were wrong.

Frequently, I call your attempts to change the subject, and deny same....
...but you've taken so many lumps recently....that I'll do you a favor and respond to same...


1. "Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes.
[/QUOTE]

By the early 20th century, GOVERNMENTS were putting ever-increasing restraints on capitalism. That is why conditions 'under capitalism' were improving.

By the early 20th in the UK, for example:

Liberal welfare reforms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even your old pal Winston Churchill recognized the evils of capitalism unchained.

The American Scholar: The Forgotten Churchill - George Watson

 

[NYcarbineer]

There is a Bantu proverb, "If you do away with the traditions of the past, then you must first replace them with something of value".....

Now....what is it that the Progressives of France substituted for religion....


9. "The Cult of Reason (French: Culte de la Raison)a was an atheistic belief system established in France and intended as a replacement for Christianity during the French Revolution."
Cult of Reason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


a. Joseph Fouché, head of the de-Christianization, arranged for the “bankers, scholars, aristocrats, priests, nuns, wealthy merchants, their wives, mistresses and children” to be dragged from their homes and killed by firing squads. He then wrote that Christianity in the provinces “had been struck down once and for all.”



b. "Lamourette had, originally thought that he could fuse revolutionary principles with Catholicism, much like today’s pro-life Democrats, based on a “can’t we all just get along” philosophy. Such gave rise to the idiom “the kiss of Lamourette.” [On July 7th, 1792, the Abbé Lamourette induced the different factions of the Legislative Assembly of France to lay aside their differences; so the deputies of the Royalists, Constitutionalists, Girondists, Jacobins, and Orleanists rushed into each other's arms, and the king was sent for to see “how these Christians loved one another;”but the reconciliation was hollow and unsound. The term is now used for a reconciliation of policy without abatement of rancour. Lamourette's Kiss]

Seems to reflect the definition of 'syncretic'..... Reconciliation or fusion of differing systems of belief,as in philosophy or religion
Google



In lieu of religious holidays, which were banned, the revolutionaries put on “Fetes of Reason.” The first was in November 1793, in the Notre Dame Cathedral, which had been renamed “The Temple of Reason,” with “To Philosophy” carved on the façade and the altar named the “Altar of Reason.” It was an ACLU fantasy come true!
Coulter

Was Christianity ruling France before the Revolution doing such a better job than France is doing today that it wasn't worth the change?

lol, good one.

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. Having made the irreparable error of gaining their knowledge of history from 'professors' in those bastions of Liberalism, the universities, far too many millennials believe that the French Revolution was, in any way tantamount, duplicate, analogous to our American Revolution.

It was not.


.

Where is it NOT taught that there were both similarities AND differences between the American and French Revolutions?

That is your claim. Support it with an iota of evidence.

I'll make it easy for you. Name one university professor anywhere in America who teaches that the American Revolution and the French Revolution were

'duplicates'. That is your word. That is your claim.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You'd know that if you ever studied history.

Eh, if you studied Ann Coulter you mean, not exactly the same thing

Now, how would you know that, as you've never read any of her dozen scholarly best sellers?

You must be one of those low information voters who simply parrot whatever the NYTimes, MSNBC, and/or the DNC tell you to.
A perfect example of Liberal plagiarism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Having made the irreparable error of gaining their knowledge of history from 'professors' in those bastions of Liberalism, the universities, far too many millennials believe that the French Revolution was, in any way tantamount, duplicate, analogous to our American Revolution.

It was not.


.

Where is it NOT taught that there were both similarities AND differences between the American and French Revolutions?

That is your claim. Support it with an iota of evidence.

I'll make it easy for you. Name one university professor anywhere in America who teaches that the American Revolution and the French Revolution were

'duplicates'. That is your word. That is your claim.

Where did you take the course you imply exists?

Oh...no where.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Now, how would you know that, as you've never read any of her dozen scholarly best sellers?

You post those "best sellers" here so I don't need to read them

You must be one of those low information voters who simply parrot whatever the NYTimes, MSNBC, and/or the DNC tell you to.
A perfect example of Liberal plagiarism.

Eh, you're the one that does the copy/paste thing, not me.

And cut the liberal crap thing, just call me an evil commie, I'm used to that.