Loggers support Trump's claim that wildfires caused by 'poor forest management'

[danielpalos]

Anyone want to take my bet that the Trump Administration and the big players in the logging industry will now strike a deal to have the logging industry take over “forest management” on federal lands and eliminating the need for the forest service, in exchange for the elimination of stumpage fees.

Trump will try to sell this as a HUGE tax savings for the American people by either lying about or completely ignoring how much revenue the Federal government receives in stumpage fees, and the costs in environmental damage, including landslides, floods and other problems associated with logging industry tactics. After all, clear cutting completely eliminates the potential for forest fires.

already harvested areas are good places to consider for watershed management purposes. A State Corps of Engineers could get things handled.

 

[hadit]

Seems logical

A logger wants more money spent on logging

Can you dispute what they say?

What does a logger know about chaparral and chaparral fires?

That's a question, not an answer and it doesn't address what I asked. Obviously, winger is trying to cast doubt on what they said without anything to back up his aspersions, so since you got involved, the same question goes to you. What information do you have that counters what they have to say?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Support for President Trumps claim that forest management is to blame for the fires in California. When The Dims respond, we can shame them for attacking those hardworking loggers.

Loggers support Donald Trump’s claim that wildfires caused by ‘poor forest management’​

A national logging organization is offering support to President Trump following catastrophic wildfires in California and a political debate over the causes of the destructive blazes.

“President Trump blamed poor forest management for wildfires in California and throughout the West, and there is truth to statements he has made,” said Daniel Dructor, executive vice president of the American Loggers Council, a coalition of state and regional associations that represents independent contract loggers.

“It’s time to rise above political posturing and recognize that active forest management — including logging, thinning, grazing and controlled burning — are tools that can and must be used to reduce fire risks and help mitigate the impacts to landscapes,” Mr. Dructor said in a statement. ​

According to the council, some 60 million to 80 million acres of national forest are at “high, to very high, risk of catastrophic wildfire.”​

Do you really believe, or are you so stupid to believe, an organization which needs to cut down trees for profit, would agree with Trump's foolishness?

 

[Dragonlady]

Anyone want to take my bet that the Trump Administration and the big players in the logging industry will now strike a deal to have the logging industry take over “forest management” on federal lands and eliminating the need for the forest service, in exchange for the elimination of stumpage fees.

Trump will try to sell this as a HUGE tax savings for the American people by either lying about or completely ignoring how much revenue the Federal government receives in stumpage fees, and the costs in environmental damage, including landslides, floods and other problems associated with logging industry tactics. After all, clear cutting completely eliminates the potential for forest fires.

already harvested areas are good places to consider for watershed management purposes. A State Corps of Engineers could get things handled.

I agree. Leaving large logging companies in charge of forest management is leaving the foxes in charge of the henhouse. But there are vast swaths of the North American temperate rainforest which are federally controlled and managed by the National Forest Service.

Trump will argue that he’s saving $billions cutting the National Forest Services who are the “losers” who mismanaged the forests and let the fires happen, and getting good forest management from the loggers for free. He will further argue that the country will save all of the lives lost in the California fires by doing this and the loss of $billions more in lost property.

And it will all be a lie.

 

[Siete]

loggers huh ?

Malibu is well known for its logging industry ISN'T IT. ..

btw - FUCK PRESIDENT SHITFORHAIR

 

[Rustic]

Seems logical

A logger wants more money spent on logging

Well, loggers spend a lot more time in the forest, the same thing cannot be said about tree huggers

 

[Dale Smith]

Both the Camp Fire in Paradise and the Woolsey Fire in Thousand Oaks, which caused much devastation, occurred on privately owned forest



Study: Wildfires Burn More Severely On Private Timber Plantations Than Public Forests

Study co-author Chris Dunn of Oregon State University says federal forests (BLM- or Forest Service-managed) still burn severely. And the exclusion of fire in the 20th century likely means the wildfires across public lands are burning hotter than they did historically.

But he said tree plantations on commercial timberland play a larger role in severe wildfire than is often acknowledged.

“To me it means that they share in the responsibility in this checkerboard landscape to the overall picture of fire risk,” Dunn said. “It’s not the full picture, but it’s part of it. But if they contribute to part of it, then they share in that responsibility.”

These wildfires are being set purposely using a litany of weapons to drive people off of their property and it's all a part of Agenda 21/ Agenda 2030. The west is particularly important to the global elites. No one can tell me how these fires burn down and destroy granite counter-tops but leave trees standing mere feet away from the property.

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Moisture and combustability

Ever boil water in a paper cup? The water prevents the paper from reaching the temperature to burn

Trees have water inside them, houses don't.
The house will burn, while the trees around them don't

 

[Rustic]

Support for President Trumps claim that forest management is to blame for the fires in California. When The Dims respond, we can shame them for attacking those hardworking loggers.

Loggers support Donald Trump’s claim that wildfires caused by ‘poor forest management’​

A national logging organization is offering support to President Trump following catastrophic wildfires in California and a political debate over the causes of the destructive blazes.

“President Trump blamed poor forest management for wildfires in California and throughout the West, and there is truth to statements he has made,” said Daniel Dructor, executive vice president of the American Loggers Council, a coalition of state and regional associations that represents independent contract loggers.

“It’s time to rise above political posturing and recognize that active forest management — including logging, thinning, grazing and controlled burning — are tools that can and must be used to reduce fire risks and help mitigate the impacts to landscapes,” Mr. Dructor said in a statement. ​

According to the council, some 60 million to 80 million acres of national forest are at “high, to very high, risk of catastrophic wildfire.”​

I live in the mountains--there are 2 types of fires. Ground fires that spread and ones that are spread by wind.

Ground fires can be stopped around populated areas by good fire mitigation, raking pine needles--cutting lower branches on trees up to a height of 6 to 8 feet from the ground--but you're not going to stop a wind blown fires that jump from trees to houses. PERIOD. That's what has gone on in California. Dry windy conditions are always a recipe for disaster.

California is suffering from climate change--and we see abnormal weather patterns everywhere. Denying it is just plain downright stupid.

There are too many trees in America... They prevent more water getting into aquifers...

 

[bendog]

Anyone want to take my bet that the Trump Administration and the big players in the logging industry will now strike a deal to have the logging industry take over “forest management” on federal lands and eliminating the need for the forest service, in exchange for the elimination of stumpage fees.

Trump will try to sell this as a HUGE tax savings for the American people by either lying about or completely ignoring how much revenue the Federal government receives in stumpage fees, and the costs in environmental damage, including landslides, floods and other problems associated with logging industry tactics. After all, clear cutting completely eliminates the potential for forest fires.

already harvested areas are good places to consider for watershed management purposes. A State Corps of Engineers could get things handled.

I agree. Leaving large logging companies in charge of forest management is leaving the foxes in charge of the henhouse. But there are vast swaths of the North American temperate rainforest which are federally controlled and managed by the National Forest Service.

Trump will argue that he’s saving $billions cutting the National Forest Services who are the “losers” who mismanaged the forests and let the fires happen, and getting good forest management from the loggers for free. He will further argue that the country will save all of the lives lost in the California fires by doing this and the loss of $billions more in lost property.

And it will all be a lie.

It's a dance to avoid climate change. Everyone knows the only answer for Ca is to basically alter the outlaying cities themselves to remove all flammable material besides houses. They have 60mph winds fanning flames 100 feet off the forest flores in trees that are too dry to stay alive.

 

[bendog]

Support for President Trumps claim that forest management is to blame for the fires in California. When The Dims respond, we can shame them for attacking those hardworking loggers.

Loggers support Donald Trump’s claim that wildfires caused by ‘poor forest management’​

A national logging organization is offering support to President Trump following catastrophic wildfires in California and a political debate over the causes of the destructive blazes.

“President Trump blamed poor forest management for wildfires in California and throughout the West, and there is truth to statements he has made,” said Daniel Dructor, executive vice president of the American Loggers Council, a coalition of state and regional associations that represents independent contract loggers.

“It’s time to rise above political posturing and recognize that active forest management — including logging, thinning, grazing and controlled burning — are tools that can and must be used to reduce fire risks and help mitigate the impacts to landscapes,” Mr. Dructor said in a statement. ​

According to the council, some 60 million to 80 million acres of national forest are at “high, to very high, risk of catastrophic wildfire.”​

I live in the mountains--there are 2 types of fires. Ground fires that spread and ones that are spread by wind.

Ground fires can be stopped around populated areas by good fire mitigation, raking pine needles--cutting lower branches on trees up to a height of 6 to 8 feet from the ground--but you're not going to stop a wind blown fires that jump from trees to houses. PERIOD. That's what has gone on in California. Dry windy conditions are always a recipe for disaster.

California is suffering from climate change--and we see abnormal weather patterns everywhere. Denying it is just plain downright stupid.

There are too many trees in America... They prevent more water getting into aquifers...

God dman Kan and Neb

 

[Markle]

Why did Trump lie about talking to the Finnish President about how they prevent forest fires by raking the leaves. The man just cannot tell the truth.

He just loves pushing Progressives buttons and you love rising to the bait. Keep up the good work!

 

[easyt65]

Henry Payne - Thursday, November 15, 2018

 

[Markle]

Moisture and combustability

Ever boil water in a paper cup? The water prevents the paper from reaching the temperature to burn

Trees have water inside them, houses don't.
The house will burn, while the trees around them don't

You say these trees aren't burning? Hmmmm...

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Washington state figured it out.....why not Cali?

Washington uses prescribed burns to prevent wildfire - Washington's Working Forests


(The state Department of Natural Resources) employs the largest wildfire fighting force in the state – firefighters who have seen first-hand how treated forests help slow the spread of wildfire.

“In treated forests, our rates of spread are a lot lower,” said Austin Marshall, the agency’s fire unit manager in Kittitas County. “Our flame lengths are down lower, so it gives us more time to respond to it, and once we get to the fire, we’re able to get crews in there safely.”

In Central Washington, prescribed fires also help the natural landscape recover from more than a century of human meddling that, over time, made forests susceptible to dangerous megafires.

“Prescribed fire is the right fire, in the right place, for the right reasons,” said Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest Fire Staff Officer Rob Allen. “It’s a proactive step – a choice to put fire to work for our communities and forests rather than just fight against it year after year.”

The area in question was burnt off ten years ago... There is no way to responsibly do that in a extended drought.

I will also point out that a larger part if not most of the land in question is federal land. So the excuse he using to blame California should be his fault..
Trump blames state for fires, but many of the worst on federal land

Instead of managing the problem and accepting that there is only so much he could have done in managing the Federal Land that burnt and then went to Private Land. I think some said that only a very small percentage of the land was state land (no cite for that ).

But Trump default is blame everyone instead on managing the problem. This should have been simple disaster management but in Trump's mind (zero sum game) there has to be a winner and a loser out of this...

From what I understand, there have been reports that PG&E may be responsible for starting the fire, though it won't be known for sure until after the investigation......I don't think they are on Federal land or even state land, but IDK

If the state had responsible land management practices in place, it could have kept the fire under more control and possibly much less devastation. If you had read and understood the link and article I'd posted, you'd understand that..

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Both the Camp Fire in Paradise and the Woolsey Fire in Thousand Oaks, which caused much devastation, occurred on privately owned forest



Study: Wildfires Burn More Severely On Private Timber Plantations Than Public Forests

Study co-author Chris Dunn of Oregon State University says federal forests (BLM- or Forest Service-managed) still burn severely. And the exclusion of fire in the 20th century likely means the wildfires across public lands are burning hotter than they did historically.

But he said tree plantations on commercial timberland play a larger role in severe wildfire than is often acknowledged.

“To me it means that they share in the responsibility in this checkerboard landscape to the overall picture of fire risk,” Dunn said. “It’s not the full picture, but it’s part of it. But if they contribute to part of it, then they share in that responsibility.”

These wildfires are being set purposely using a litany of weapons to drive people off of their property and it's all a part of Agenda 21/ Agenda 2030. The west is particularly important to the global elites. No one can tell me how these fires burn down and destroy granite counter-tops but leave trees standing mere feet away from the property.

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Live trees can survive devastating fires. Depends on the depth of their roots and moisture availability during it's life and if it's been exposed to fire previously and how often...…...they can become what you might call 'hardened' against fire...…..just sayin

 

[bodecea]

Seems logical

A logger wants more money spent on logging

Well, loggers spend a lot more time in the forest, the same thing cannot be said about tree huggers

But do they spend a lot of time in the chaparral? That's not a forest...and that's what has been burning.

 

[danielpalos]

supply chain management.

 

[Rustic]

Seems logical

A logger wants more money spent on logging

Well, loggers spend a lot more time in the forest, the same thing cannot be said about tree huggers

But do they spend a lot of time in the chaparral? That's not a forest...and that's what has been burning.

You can never trust environmentalists

 

[Siete]

Moisture and combustability

Ever boil water in a paper cup? The water prevents the paper from reaching the temperature to burn

Trees have water inside them, houses don't.
The house will burn, while the trees around them don't

You say these trees aren't burning? Hmmmm...

thats a California brush fire dumbass ....

 

[danielpalos]

Seems logical

A logger wants more money spent on logging

Well, loggers spend a lot more time in the forest, the same thing cannot be said about tree huggers

But do they spend a lot of time in the chaparral? That's not a forest...and that's what has been burning.

You can never trust environmentalists

We should be able to trust our State Corps of Engineers.

we need to create more, "manufacturing" jobs, anyway.