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Is this magical thinking? when did this happen when did foreign people coming to live in America become less intelligent less hard working less honest? after your grand parents? great grand parents, great great grand parents came? Do we have people living in America or trying to come who have no commitment too the USA? yes of course we do. why don't we start there. why deport those who are easy to find because they have jobs, live in homes, the children go to school .Its a mess & we are making it worse.
Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!
We have two problems with immigration in this country: Illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. Over half of the legal immigrants are on the dole. That means they moved here, and now we are feeding them, providing shelter, and even medical care.
The illegals are coming here to have anchor babies, work under the table illegally, and benefit from the social services our government gives to their children. They come here with no money, no skills, and no desire to be Americans.
We need to close off the border period. Then we need to extract every illegal in the country and send them back to where they came. The border stays closed until every known illegal is out of the country.
The problem is less Congress than it was previous rulings on citizenship. That's what we need to do first; have it so the Supreme Court rules that anchor babies are not constitutionally protected.
Maybe you should study some American history. Birthright citizenship has been recognized for hundreds of years and by great men such as James Madison. We should discard it because white men are afraid of losing their political influence. If the Supreme Court turns this aside then no one including you is a American citizen.
Maybe you should study history because for the longest time, there was no such things as legal or illegal aliens. And if you studied history, you would realize that the amendment was not written so that anybody that could sneak into this country could have a child with a guaranteed citizenship.
The amendment was written for decedents of slaves, and that's all it was written for.
And yet when the Supreme Court last ruled on it, slaves had nothing to do with that ruling.
Which is why the amendment needs to be revisited again by the courts, and President Trump is seemingly going to push it to that point.
I hope he does because it would be an election booster.
While it's clear the media are no fans of ending birthright citizenship, as screeching headlines from leftist journalists suddenly taken with the Constitution suggest, how do the American people feel about it?
While recently polling on the issue is sparse, C-SPAN's Washington Journal, which is not exactly a right-wing outlet, put out a Twitter poll on Wednesday.
"Should U.S. End Birthright Citizenship?" asked the straightforward poll. Over 9,000 Twitter users responded.
The final results showed resounding agreement with the president that birthright citizenship should end. A total of 6,683 participants, or 72%, answered "yes"; and 2,6000 participants, or 28%, responded "no."
C-SPAN Poll: How Americans Feel About Birthright Citizenship Might Shock You
There is nothing scientific about a twitter poll.
I can see granting US citizenship only to children who have one parent living here LEGALLY. That is easy enough to prove. However, using a term as fuzzy as "foreigners" is never going to cut it. By law, immigrants who WANT to become citizens must live in the US FIVE YEARS before applying for naturalization. They are foreigners who plan to become citizens and of course want their children to be, as well, since they will be raised here.
I agree that Chinese women who travel here on a tourist visa to have a baby and then fly back to China with a US citizen child is BULLSHIT. So is granting citizenship to the children of two illegals living in the US. The illegal shit has got to stop. I agree with that.
Trump has to be careful how that is done, though, in order to be fair. And I don't believe Trump can change that himself; it is written in law and needs to be changed by Congress, doesn't it?
The problem is less Congress than it was previous rulings on citizenship. That's what we need to do first; have it so the Supreme Court rules that anchor babies are not constitutionally protected.
Maybe you should study some American history. Birthright citizenship has been recognized for hundreds of years and by great men such as James Madison. We should discard it because white men are afraid of losing their political influence. If the Supreme Court turns this aside then no one including you is a American citizen.
Maybe you should study history because for the longest time, there was no such things as legal or illegal aliens. And if you studied history, you would realize that the amendment was not written so that anybody that could sneak into this country could have a child with a guaranteed citizenship.
The amendment was written for decedents of slaves, and that's all it was written for.
You are a typical Trump supporter. Stupid. ...."
You're stupid.
Is this magical thinking? when did this happen when did foreign people coming to live in America become less intelligent less hard working less honest? after your grand parents? great grand parents, great great grand parents came? Do we have people living in America or trying to come who have no commitment too the USA? yes of course we do. why don't we start there. why deport those who are easy to find because they have jobs, live in homes, the children go to school .Its a mess & we are making it worse.
Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!
We have two problems with immigration in this country: Illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. Over half of the legal immigrants are on the dole. That means they moved here, and now we are feeding them, providing shelter, and even medical care.
The illegals are coming here to have anchor babies, work under the table illegally, and benefit from the social services our government gives to their children. They come here with no money, no skills, and no desire to be Americans.
We need to close off the border period. Then we need to extract every illegal in the country and send them back to where they came. The border stays closed until every known illegal is out of the country.
How many people are on the dole in states like Arkansas and Alabama. A huge percentage of the white trash in these states, So let's get rid of them.
We do not need to close the border to please white supremacists like you. You try it and the Republican Party will be on the dust heap of history.
Maybe you should study some American history. Birthright citizenship has been recognized for hundreds of years and by great men such as James Madison. We should discard it because white men are afraid of losing their political influence. If the Supreme Court turns this aside then no one including you is a American citizen.
Maybe you should study history because for the longest time, there was no such things as legal or illegal aliens. And if you studied history, you would realize that the amendment was not written so that anybody that could sneak into this country could have a child with a guaranteed citizenship.
The amendment was written for decedents of slaves, and that's all it was written for.
And yet when the Supreme Court last ruled on it, slaves had nothing to do with that ruling.
Which is why the amendment needs to be revisited again by the courts, and President Trump is seemingly going to push it to that point.
I hope he does because it would be an election booster.
While it's clear the media are no fans of ending birthright citizenship, as screeching headlines from leftist journalists suddenly taken with the Constitution suggest, how do the American people feel about it?
While recently polling on the issue is sparse, C-SPAN's Washington Journal, which is not exactly a right-wing outlet, put out a Twitter poll on Wednesday.
"Should U.S. End Birthright Citizenship?" asked the straightforward poll. Over 9,000 Twitter users responded.
The final results showed resounding agreement with the president that birthright citizenship should end. A total of 6,683 participants, or 72%, answered "yes"; and 2,6000 participants, or 28%, responded "no."
C-SPAN Poll: How Americans Feel About Birthright Citizenship Might Shock You
There is nothing scientific about a twitter poll.
No, there isn't. But as the article clearly stated, there are no scientific polls out there, so the Twitter poll is the best we have.
The left certainly doesn't want to know what Americans really think about anchor babies. It would go against their beliefs. The Twitter poll was conducted by leftists, so if they say an overwhelming amount of Americans are against it, you know most people must be.
Is this magical thinking? when did this happen when did foreign people coming to live in America become less intelligent less hard working less honest? after your grand parents? great grand parents, great great grand parents came? Do we have people living in America or trying to come who have no commitment too the USA? yes of course we do. why don't we start there. why deport those who are easy to find because they have jobs, live in homes, the children go to school .Its a mess & we are making it worse.
Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!
We have two problems with immigration in this country: Illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. Over half of the legal immigrants are on the dole. That means they moved here, and now we are feeding them, providing shelter, and even medical care.
The illegals are coming here to have anchor babies, work under the table illegally, and benefit from the social services our government gives to their children. They come here with no money, no skills, and no desire to be Americans.
We need to close off the border period. Then we need to extract every illegal in the country and send them back to where they came. The border stays closed until every known illegal is out of the country.
How many people are on the dole in states like Arkansas and Alabama. A huge percentage of the white trash in these states, So let's get rid of them.
We do not need to close the border to please white supremacists like you. You try it and the Republican Party will be on the dust heap of history.
You don't throw Americans out of their own country. You throw invaders our of our country. How can anybody take you seriously when you equate Americans to illegals?
If we could throw out anybody, it should be liberals. What a great country this would be without them. If we could do that, my property value would triple overnight.
The problem is less Congress than it was previous rulings on citizenship. That's what we need to do first; have it so the Supreme Court rules that anchor babies are not constitutionally protected.
Maybe you should study some American history. Birthright citizenship has been recognized for hundreds of years and by great men such as James Madison. We should discard it because white men are afraid of losing their political influence. If the Supreme Court turns this aside then no one including you is a American citizen.
Maybe you should study history because for the longest time, there was no such things as legal or illegal aliens. And if you studied history, you would realize that the amendment was not written so that anybody that could sneak into this country could have a child with a guaranteed citizenship.
The amendment was written for decedents of slaves, and that's all it was written for.
You are a typical Trump supporter. Stupid. ...."
You're stupid.
You are a stupid racist pig. I stand with James Madison. You stand with David Duke.
James Madison and Abraham Lincoln were great men. Our society has changed since they offered their opinions, though. During their times, there were no such things as "illegals." If a person moved here, he could apply for naturalization or not, but the government did not start putting limits on how many or who could enter until 1882; immigration laws have become increasingly restrictive since.I can see granting US citizenship only to children who have one parent living here LEGALLY. That is easy enough to prove. However, using a term as fuzzy as "foreigners" is never going to cut it. By law, immigrants who WANT to become citizens must live in the US FIVE YEARS before applying for naturalization. They are foreigners who plan to become citizens and of course want their children to be, as well, since they will be raised here.It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:
"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."
This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:
"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."
The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.
President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship
I agree that Chinese women who travel here on a tourist visa to have a baby and then fly back to China with a US citizen child is BULLSHIT. So is granting citizenship to the children of two illegals living in the US. The illegal shit has got to stop. I agree with that.
Trump has to be careful how that is done, though, in order to be fair. And I don't believe Trump can change that himself; it is written in law and needs to be changed by Congress, doesn't it?
The problem is less Congress than it was previous rulings on citizenship. That's what we need to do first; have it so the Supreme Court rules that anchor babies are not constitutionally protected.
Maybe you should study some American history. Birthright citizenship has been recognized for hundreds of years and by great men such as James Madison. We should discard it because white men are afraid of losing their political influence. If the Supreme Court turns this aside then no one including you is a American citizen.
16% of the countries (30+) in the world have birthright citizenship, almost exclusively in North and South America. From the map I found, only Colombia and Surinam in the Americas do not (it wasn't a big map; I hope that's accurate). Europe, Africa and Asia has only a handful--Kenya, Lesotho and Pakistan were the only ones I could find. None in Europe, although France and Ireland gave it up recently (1993 and 2005 respectively) and so did Australia. Over here, the Dominican Republic just gave it up in 2013--and left tens of thousands residents nationless due to undocumented nationality of their parents. We'd want to make sure that doesn't happen if we change over.
Canada is also considering revoking birthright citizenship due to "birth tourism;" and is one of the reasons the overseas countries that have recently revoked it did.
The cost of social programs for illegals who are not paying into the system? That is a factor, but I believe it is greatly exaggerated. That argument is for another thread, though.
This is a good article for perspective of jus soli (right of the soil) and jus sanguinis (right of blood) --the nationality of a parent. There is nothing "evil" about revoking jus soli. With the changes in our society, sometimes laws need to change, too.
America Isn’t the ‘Only Country’ With Birthright Citizenship
Is this magical thinking? when did this happen when did foreign people coming to live in America become less intelligent less hard working less honest? after your grand parents? great grand parents, great great grand parents came? Do we have people living in America or trying to come who have no commitment too the USA? yes of course we do. why don't we start there. why deport those who are easy to find because they have jobs, live in homes, the children go to school .Its a mess & we are making it worse.
Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!
We have two problems with immigration in this country: Illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. Over half of the legal immigrants are on the dole. That means they moved here, and now we are feeding them, providing shelter, and even medical care.
The illegals are coming here to have anchor babies, work under the table illegally, and benefit from the social services our government gives to their children. They come here with no money, no skills, and no desire to be Americans.
We need to close off the border period. Then we need to extract every illegal in the country and send them back to where they came. The border stays closed until every known illegal is out of the country.
How many people are on the dole in states like Arkansas and Alabama. A huge percentage of the white trash in these states, So let's get rid of them.
We do not need to close the border to please white supremacists like you. You try it and the Republican Party will be on the dust heap of history.
You don't throw Americans out of their own country. You throw invaders our of our country. How can anybody take you seriously when you equate Americans to illegals?
If we could throw out anybody, it should be liberals. What a great country this would be without them. If we could do that, my property value would triple overnight.
White supremacists have invaded our country and no one else. Now they have a sympathetic ear from Trump and other garbage like you. White supremacists like you need to be thrown out and the national IQ would double.
James Madison and Abraham Lincoln were great men. Our society has changed since they offered their opinions, though. During their times, there were no such things as "illegals." If a person moved here, he could apply for naturalization or not, but the government did not start putting limits on how many or who could enter until 1882; immigration laws have become increasingly restrictive since.I can see granting US citizenship only to children who have one parent living here LEGALLY. That is easy enough to prove. However, using a term as fuzzy as "foreigners" is never going to cut it. By law, immigrants who WANT to become citizens must live in the US FIVE YEARS before applying for naturalization. They are foreigners who plan to become citizens and of course want their children to be, as well, since they will be raised here.It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:
"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."
This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:
"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."
The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.
President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship
I agree that Chinese women who travel here on a tourist visa to have a baby and then fly back to China with a US citizen child is BULLSHIT. So is granting citizenship to the children of two illegals living in the US. The illegal shit has got to stop. I agree with that.
Trump has to be careful how that is done, though, in order to be fair. And I don't believe Trump can change that himself; it is written in law and needs to be changed by Congress, doesn't it?
The problem is less Congress than it was previous rulings on citizenship. That's what we need to do first; have it so the Supreme Court rules that anchor babies are not constitutionally protected.
Maybe you should study some American history. Birthright citizenship has been recognized for hundreds of years and by great men such as James Madison. We should discard it because white men are afraid of losing their political influence. If the Supreme Court turns this aside then no one including you is a American citizen.
16% of the countries (30+) in the world have birthright citizenship, almost exclusively in North and South America. From the map I found, only Colombia and Surinam in the Americas do not (it wasn't a big map; I hope that's accurate). Europe, Africa and Asia has only a handful--Kenya, Lesotho and Pakistan were the only ones I could find. None in Europe, although France and Ireland gave it up recently (1993 and 2005 respectively) and so did Australia. Over here, the Dominican Republic just gave it up in 2013--and left tens of thousands residents nationless due to undocumented nationality of their parents. We'd want to make sure that doesn't happen if we change over.
Canada is also considering revoking birthright citizenship due to "birth tourism;" and is one of the reasons the overseas countries that have recently revoked it did.
The cost of social programs for illegals who are not paying into the system? That is a factor, but I believe it is greatly exaggerated. That argument is for another thread, though.
This is a good article for perspective of jus soli (right of the soil) and jus sanguinis (right of blood) --the nationality of a parent. There is nothing "evil" about revoking jus soli. With the changes in our society, sometimes laws need to change, too.
America Isn’t the ‘Only Country’ With Birthright Citizenship
Then revoke it legally by a constitutional amendment. There is no basis in fact to assume that birthright citizenship is not the law of the land and the 14th Amendment does grant birthright citizenship. That was explicitly made clear during the debate. James Madison said parentage does not matter as much as location.
It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:
"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."
This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:
"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."
The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.
President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship
I shouldn't have to teach history to you.
Your evasion is noted. If you had a real point, that you thought really refuted what I said, you would have said it.
Instead you play games.
Because your intent is to express disagreement, implying for those who are willing to believe you, that there is a reason to your disagreement,
without actually stating it, because you know the more we look at it, the weaker your shit is.
My point stands. Iraq was a threat and anyone that says otherwise, is either dishonest or a dupe.
They were no threat to us.
The nation as a whole and much of the world, disagreed.
AND, I posted photographic evidence to back up my side.
What do you have? Other than a gut level hate of America?
What do I have? The fact that we had to be lied into a war with them. You posted a pic of something that had long been done and over with. There are even questions of whether or not Iraq thought we were good with it because of us backing them in our other useless wars.
Got it. You have shit, just like I said.
My point stands. Iraq was a threat and anyone that says otherwise is dishonest or a dupe.
Your using your anti-American spin of our foreign policy to excuse the actions of illegals has been shown to be bullshit.
Why do you always side with the anti-American side?
I shouldn't have to teach history to you.
Your evasion is noted. If you had a real point, that you thought really refuted what I said, you would have said it.
Instead you play games.
Because your intent is to express disagreement, implying for those who are willing to believe you, that there is a reason to your disagreement,
without actually stating it, because you know the more we look at it, the weaker your shit is.
My point stands. Iraq was a threat and anyone that says otherwise, is either dishonest or a dupe.
They were no threat to us.
The nation as a whole and much of the world, disagreed.
AND, I posted photographic evidence to back up my side.
What do you have? Other than a gut level hate of America?
What do I have? The fact that we had to be lied into a war with them. You posted a pic of something that had long been done and over with. There are even questions of whether or not Iraq thought we were good with it because of us backing them in our other useless wars.
Saddam violated the conditions he agreed to on several occasions. He was buying off members of the UN by giving them oil deals in his country. Even Clinton bombed Iraq because Saddam forbade UN inspectors from going into certain areas. HIs war planes went into restricted areas constantly.
Democrats didn't bring replacement workers in to replace American workers at Disney.
They didn't? To my knowledge, Disney is a pretty liberal company.
Disney is a publicly traded wall street firm.
So what does that have to do with the company being liberal?
Your deflecting.
Not deflecting anything. A liberal company hired foreign workers to replace their American workers. What's deflecting about that?
And yet when the Supreme Court last ruled on it, slaves had nothing to do with that ruling.
Which is why the amendment needs to be revisited again by the courts, and President Trump is seemingly going to push it to that point.
I hope he does because it would be an election booster.
While it's clear the media are no fans of ending birthright citizenship, as screeching headlines from leftist journalists suddenly taken with the Constitution suggest, how do the American people feel about it?
While recently polling on the issue is sparse, C-SPAN's Washington Journal, which is not exactly a right-wing outlet, put out a Twitter poll on Wednesday.
"Should U.S. End Birthright Citizenship?" asked the straightforward poll. Over 9,000 Twitter users responded.
The final results showed resounding agreement with the president that birthright citizenship should end. A total of 6,683 participants, or 72%, answered "yes"; and 2,6000 participants, or 28%, responded "no."
C-SPAN Poll: How Americans Feel About Birthright Citizenship Might Shock You
Bet he doesn't and I hope he does.
I hope he does as well. It's about time because it's been going on way to long, and hurting Americans in the process.
I've not been hurt.
You don't pay taxes, that's why. If you did, you'd realize these people are costing us a hundred billion dollars a year to take care of them.
He violated U.N. sanctions 17 times. That's why a multiple coalition force United and removed him.I shouldn't have to teach history to you.
Your evasion is noted. If you had a real point, that you thought really refuted what I said, you would have said it.
Instead you play games.
Because your intent is to express disagreement, implying for those who are willing to believe you, that there is a reason to your disagreement,
without actually stating it, because you know the more we look at it, the weaker your shit is.
My point stands. Iraq was a threat and anyone that says otherwise, is either dishonest or a dupe.
They were no threat to us.
The nation as a whole and much of the world, disagreed.
AND, I posted photographic evidence to back up my side.
What do you have? Other than a gut level hate of America?
What do I have? The fact that we had to be lied into a war with them. You posted a pic of something that had long been done and over with. There are even questions of whether or not Iraq thought we were good with it because of us backing them in our other useless wars.
Saddam violated the conditions he agreed to on several occasions. He was buying off members of the UN by giving them oil deals in his country. Even Clinton bombed Iraq because Saddam forbade UN inspectors from going into certain areas. HIs war planes went into restricted areas constantly.
Interesting! Answer me this, little girl. Where are these supposed mythical White Supremacist invading America from?Is this magical thinking? when did this happen when did foreign people coming to live in America become less intelligent less hard working less honest? after your grand parents? great grand parents, great great grand parents came? Do we have people living in America or trying to come who have no commitment too the USA? yes of course we do. why don't we start there. why deport those who are easy to find because they have jobs, live in homes, the children go to school .Its a mess & we are making it worse.
Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!
We have two problems with immigration in this country: Illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. Over half of the legal immigrants are on the dole. That means they moved here, and now we are feeding them, providing shelter, and even medical care.
The illegals are coming here to have anchor babies, work under the table illegally, and benefit from the social services our government gives to their children. They come here with no money, no skills, and no desire to be Americans.
We need to close off the border period. Then we need to extract every illegal in the country and send them back to where they came. The border stays closed until every known illegal is out of the country.
How many people are on the dole in states like Arkansas and Alabama. A huge percentage of the white trash in these states, So let's get rid of them.
We do not need to close the border to please white supremacists like you. You try it and the Republican Party will be on the dust heap of history.
You don't throw Americans out of their own country. You throw invaders our of our country. How can anybody take you seriously when you equate Americans to illegals?
If we could throw out anybody, it should be liberals. What a great country this would be without them. If we could do that, my property value would triple overnight.
White supremacists have invaded our country and no one else. Now they have a sympathetic ear from Trump and other garbage like you. White supremacists like you need to be thrown out and the national IQ would double.
The father of the 14th Amendment, Rep. John Bingham, during its framing stated this:James Madison and Abraham Lincoln were great men. Our society has changed since they offered their opinions, though. During their times, there were no such things as "illegals." If a person moved here, he could apply for naturalization or not, but the government did not start putting limits on how many or who could enter until 1882; immigration laws have become increasingly restrictive since.I can see granting US citizenship only to children who have one parent living here LEGALLY. That is easy enough to prove. However, using a term as fuzzy as "foreigners" is never going to cut it. By law, immigrants who WANT to become citizens must live in the US FIVE YEARS before applying for naturalization. They are foreigners who plan to become citizens and of course want their children to be, as well, since they will be raised here.It's the next step in making America great again. Birthright Citizenship refers to Citizen parents, not Illegals. The 14th Amendment was only created for slaves after the civil war. It was not created for foreigners. Let's hear from the man who wrote the Citizenship clause himself, Senator John Jacob Howard:
"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."
This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:
"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."
The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete.
President Trump Says He Is Still "Looking Seriously" at Ending Birthright Citizenship
I agree that Chinese women who travel here on a tourist visa to have a baby and then fly back to China with a US citizen child is BULLSHIT. So is granting citizenship to the children of two illegals living in the US. The illegal shit has got to stop. I agree with that.
Trump has to be careful how that is done, though, in order to be fair. And I don't believe Trump can change that himself; it is written in law and needs to be changed by Congress, doesn't it?
The problem is less Congress than it was previous rulings on citizenship. That's what we need to do first; have it so the Supreme Court rules that anchor babies are not constitutionally protected.
Maybe you should study some American history. Birthright citizenship has been recognized for hundreds of years and by great men such as James Madison. We should discard it because white men are afraid of losing their political influence. If the Supreme Court turns this aside then no one including you is a American citizen.
16% of the countries (30+) in the world have birthright citizenship, almost exclusively in North and South America. From the map I found, only Colombia and Surinam in the Americas do not (it wasn't a big map; I hope that's accurate). Europe, Africa and Asia has only a handful--Kenya, Lesotho and Pakistan were the only ones I could find. None in Europe, although France and Ireland gave it up recently (1993 and 2005 respectively) and so did Australia. Over here, the Dominican Republic just gave it up in 2013--and left tens of thousands residents nationless due to undocumented nationality of their parents. We'd want to make sure that doesn't happen if we change over.
Canada is also considering revoking birthright citizenship due to "birth tourism;" and is one of the reasons the overseas countries that have recently revoked it did.
The cost of social programs for illegals who are not paying into the system? That is a factor, but I believe it is greatly exaggerated. That argument is for another thread, though.
This is a good article for perspective of jus soli (right of the soil) and jus sanguinis (right of blood) --the nationality of a parent. There is nothing "evil" about revoking jus soli. With the changes in our society, sometimes laws need to change, too.
America Isn’t the ‘Only Country’ With Birthright Citizenship
Then revoke it legally by a constitutional amendment. There is no basis in fact to assume that birthright citizenship is not the law of the land and the 14th Amendment does grant birthright citizenship. That was explicitly made clear during the debate. James Madison said parentage does not matter as much as location.
Which is why the amendment needs to be revisited again by the courts, and President Trump is seemingly going to push it to that point.
I hope he does because it would be an election booster.
While it's clear the media are no fans of ending birthright citizenship, as screeching headlines from leftist journalists suddenly taken with the Constitution suggest, how do the American people feel about it?
While recently polling on the issue is sparse, C-SPAN's Washington Journal, which is not exactly a right-wing outlet, put out a Twitter poll on Wednesday.
"Should U.S. End Birthright Citizenship?" asked the straightforward poll. Over 9,000 Twitter users responded.
The final results showed resounding agreement with the president that birthright citizenship should end. A total of 6,683 participants, or 72%, answered "yes"; and 2,6000 participants, or 28%, responded "no."
C-SPAN Poll: How Americans Feel About Birthright Citizenship Might Shock You
Bet he doesn't and I hope he does.
I hope he does as well. It's about time because it's been going on way to long, and hurting Americans in the process.
I've not been hurt.
You don't pay taxes, that's why. If you did, you'd realize these people are costing us a hundred billion dollars a year to take care of them.
I pay plenty in taxes.
They didn't? To my knowledge, Disney is a pretty liberal company.
Disney is a publicly traded wall street firm.
So what does that have to do with the company being liberal?
Your deflecting.
Not deflecting anything. A liberal company hired foreign workers to replace their American workers. What's deflecting about that?
No matter what it is, if it doesn't fit your narrative it's "liberal".
