Making Imperial Israel Whole

[Sweet_Caroline]

The League of Nations which became the UN voted to grant the land of Judea and Samaria to the Jews in 1922. Therefore it is the Jews' land by legal definition.

Why did the Zionists agree to half of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie 25 years earlier?

Because it would be an independent country.

 

[Hossfly]

Dirty politics for dirty people in a dirty area.

Yeah, Georgie Boy felt that he didn't want to be a slave to the White Man so instead of trying to better himself by going to some trade-tech school, a vocational center or a community college at very low cost in Los Angeles, he felt that if he sat back and did nothing, the White Man would have to take care of him. While Georgie Boy thinks he is showing us some "brilliance" by pulling up stuff that he posts ad nausaem, his fellow Blacks are unfortunately being killed in the Middle East and Africa, and all he does is participate on forums dissing America, Israel, and the American citizens who don't have demented thinking like he does. By the way, since you didn't want to be a slave to the White Man, Georgie Boy, and now find yourself in an unfortunate situation where the only fun in life for you are the forums, the Peace Corps is looking for people and you finally get to travel (for free). As they say, "Begin the Journey of a Lifetime." Go to www,PeaceCorps.gov/apply. If Jimmy Carter's mother, Lillian, could do it, so can you, Georgie Boy. We all will be so proud of you.

How about you and me and Lillian hit the road to Ho Chi Minh City, BK?
Don't forget to wear your medals (and Orange stripes)

I realize you would have a difficult time leaving your subsidized apartment, Georgie Boy?? That yellow stripe down your back would make a good target so you stay put. And here I was going to suggest that you take a bus for something FREE this weekend.
Many LA-Area Museums Will be Free Saturday Thanks to Smithsonian Magazine
Up to two free tickets per household are available through an online form on the Smithsonian magazine website.

 

[docmauser1]

"Even earlier, Begin had not been opposed to returning the Sinai, ...

Unfortunately, Sadat didn't want his palistanian arseholes returned. hehe

but a major future obstacle was his firm refusal to consider relinquishing control over the West Bank.[4]"

The territory was taken from Jordan, not from palistanian arseholes, hence it's between Jordan and Israel, of course.

Not true.

Very much true, of course.

Jordan attempted to annex the West Bank but failed.

Very much succeeded, of course. Jordan annexed the areas it had occupied since 1948 on April 24, 1950, when a joint session of the House of Deputies and House of Notables adopted the resolution annexing the "West Bank" and Jerusalem.
"After a short period of temporary administration in the West Bank, a group of leaders, notables and elders representing Palestinian Arabs who had emigrated from the occupied territories considered joining the East Bank, a patriotic and nationalist demand and a guarantee against Israeli dangers. They held two great historic meetings. The first was in Jericho on 1 December 1948 and the second in Nablus on 28 December 1948. ... Those present adopted resolutions calling on the late King Abdullah Bin al-Husein to take immediate steps to unify and merge the two Banks in a single State under his leadership."
King Hussein, March 15, 1972.

It is illegal to annex land that you occupy.

Booo!

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Same old same old. Why do people here get so exercised about israel, do not care about the really horrible things going on in other places.... I can see getting annoyed at Israel on an irregular basis, when they get annoyed about other places as well. But this perpetual hate hate toward one state leads me to believe that there is more to this than what they say

 

[toastman]

The League of Nations which became the UN voted to grant the land of Judea and Samaria to the Jews in 1922. Therefore it is the Jews' land by legal definition.

Why did the Zionists agree to half of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie 25 years earlier?

Because they were not greedy like the Arabs who wanted the entire ME to themselves

 

[RoccoR]

Sweet_Caroline, et al,

I think there is a misinterpretation here.

The League of Nations which became the UN voted to grant the land of Judea and Samaria to the Jews in 1922. Therefore it is the Jews' land by legal definition.

(QUESTION)

What are we talking about here?

What vote?

v/r
R

 

[georgephillip]

Why do you suppose we don't have the same debate about the occupation in this country that they have in Israel?

Because Caliphorniah is considered liberated instead of occupied?

Time to liberate Palestine.

"How long has Palestine been a specifically Arab country?

“Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics — including its name in Arabic, Filastin — became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...

"In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation...

"Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.” Edward Said, 'The Question of Palestine.'”

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

 

[toastman]

Why do you suppose we don't have the same debate about the occupation in this country that they have in Israel?

Because Caliphorniah is considered liberated instead of occupied?

Time to liberate Palestine.

"How long has Palestine been a specifically Arab country?

“Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics — including its name in Arabic, Filastin — became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...

"In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation...

"Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.” Edward Said, 'The Question of Palestine.'”

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

Now the land is called Israel. Deal with it

 

[RoccoR]

georgephillip; et al,

Palestine has never been a defined state with a Palestinian Head of State; until 1988.

Name the Head of State (King, Queen, Emir, President, etc) of Palestine prior to

Why do you suppose we don't have the same debate about the occupation in this country that they have in Israel?

Because Caliphorniah is considered liberated instead of occupied?

Time to liberate Palestine.

"How long has Palestine been a specifically Arab country?

“Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics — including its name in Arabic, Filastin — became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...

"In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation...

"Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.” Edward Said, 'The Question of Palestine.'”

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

(COMMENT)

What is the point of this line of questioning?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

georgephillip; et al,

Palestine has never been a defined state with a Palestinian Head of State; until 1988.

Name the Head of State (King, Queen, Emir, President, etc) of Palestine prior to

Because Caliphorniah is considered liberated instead of occupied?

Time to liberate Palestine.

"How long has Palestine been a specifically Arab country?

“Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics — including its name in Arabic, Filastin — became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...

"In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation...

"Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.” Edward Said, 'The Question of Palestine.'”

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

(COMMENT)

What is the point of this line of questioning?

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has never been a defined state with a Palestinian Head of State; until 1988.

So fucking what, Rocco?

 

[toastman]

georgephillip; et al,

Palestine has never been a defined state with a Palestinian Head of State; until 1988.

Name the Head of State (King, Queen, Emir, President, etc) of Palestine prior to

Time to liberate Palestine.

"How long has Palestine been a specifically Arab country?

“Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics — including its name in Arabic, Filastin — became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...

"In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation...

"Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.” Edward Said, 'The Question of Palestine.'”

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict

(COMMENT)

What is the point of this line of questioning?

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has never been a defined state with a Palestinian Head of State; until 1988.

So fucking what, Rocco?

Geez, relax Tinmore.

He was correcting George.
He has also corrected you when you made claims about Palestine being a country.

If you can't handle simple truth like that, then maybe you shouldn't be posting here

 

[P F Tinmore]

georgephillip; et al,

Palestine has never been a defined state with a Palestinian Head of State; until 1988.

Name the Head of State (King, Queen, Emir, President, etc) of Palestine prior to


(COMMENT)

What is the point of this line of questioning?

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine has never been a defined state with a Palestinian Head of State; until 1988.

So fucking what, Rocco?

Geez, relax Tinmore.

He was correcting George.
He has also corrected you when you made claims about Palestine being a country.

If you can't handle simple truth like that, then maybe you shouldn't be posting here

OK, but irrelevant.

 

[toastman]

So fucking what, Rocco?

Geez, relax Tinmore.

He was correcting George.
He has also corrected you when you made claims about Palestine being a country.

If you can't handle simple truth like that, then maybe you shouldn't be posting here

OK, but irrelevant.

It's VERY relevant.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Geez, relax Tinmore.

He was correcting George.
He has also corrected you when you made claims about Palestine being a country.

If you can't handle simple truth like that, then maybe you shouldn't be posting here

OK, but irrelevant.

It's VERY relevant.

No it isn't. A state is the product of self determination, not a prerequisite.

Whether Palestine has ever been a state or not (debatable) does not change popular sovereignty under the right to self determination.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore; et al,

Self-determination implies that they exercised the rights of sovereignty.

OK, but irrelevant.

It's VERY relevant.

No it isn't. A state is the product of self determination, not a prerequisite.

Whether Palestine has ever been a state or not (debatable) does not change popular sovereignty under the right to self determination.

(COMMENT)

When did the Palestinian people exercise their own sovereignty?

What is popular sovereignty? When did the Palestinians exercise "popular sovereignty?"

A number of powers exercised rule over Palestine. But over all of them, none were called Palestinians, nor did these various powers ever giver sovereignty to the inhabitants called Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore; et al,

Self-determination implies that they exercised the rights of sovereignty.

It's VERY relevant.

No it isn't. A state is the product of self determination, not a prerequisite.

Whether Palestine has ever been a state or not (debatable) does not change popular sovereignty under the right to self determination.

(COMMENT)

When did the Palestinian people exercise their own sovereignty?

What is popular sovereignty? When did the Palestinians exercise "popular sovereignty?"

A number of powers exercised rule over Palestine. But over all of them, none were called Palestinians, nor did these various powers ever giver sovereignty to the inhabitants called Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Irrelevant. It doesn't matter. Israeli propaganda talking point.

A people can be said to have realised its right to self-determination when they have either (1) established a sovereign and independent state;...

There is a recognised right to self-determination in international law. It is controversial whether a positive right to armed struggle to fulfil this right exists. It is clearly illegal under international law to deprive a people of their right to self-determination by using forcible actions including use of violence.

The right to self-determination - IHL

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore; et al,

Again, I ask the same question (this time using your words).

Self-determination implies that they exercised the rights of sovereignty.

No it isn't. A state is the product of self determination, not a prerequisite.

Whether Palestine has ever been a state or not (debatable) does not change popular sovereignty under the right to self determination.

(COMMENT)

When did the Palestinian people exercise their own sovereignty?

What is popular sovereignty? When did the Palestinians exercise "popular sovereignty?"

A number of powers exercised rule over Palestine. But over all of them, none were called Palestinians, nor did these various powers ever giver sovereignty to the inhabitants called Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Irrelevant. It doesn't matter. Israeli propaganda talking point.

A people can be said to have realised its right to self-determination when they have either (1) established a sovereign and independent state;...

There is a recognised right to self-determination in international law. It is controversial whether a positive right to armed struggle to fulfil this right exists. It is clearly illegal under international law to deprive a people of their right to self-determination by using forcible actions including use of violence.

The right to self-determination - IHL

(QUESTION)

Prior to 1988, WHEN did the Palestinians established a sovereign and independent state?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore; et al,

Again, I ask the same question (this time using your words).

Self-determination implies that they exercised the rights of sovereignty.


(COMMENT)

When did the Palestinian people exercise their own sovereignty?

What is popular sovereignty? When did the Palestinians exercise "popular sovereignty?"

A number of powers exercised rule over Palestine. But over all of them, none were called Palestinians, nor did these various powers ever giver sovereignty to the inhabitants called Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Irrelevant. It doesn't matter. Israeli propaganda talking point.

A people can be said to have realised its right to self-determination when they have either (1) established a sovereign and independent state;...

There is a recognised right to self-determination in international law. It is controversial whether a positive right to armed struggle to fulfil this right exists. It is clearly illegal under international law to deprive a people of their right to self-determination by using forcible actions including use of violence.

The right to self-determination - IHL

(QUESTION)

Prior to 1988, WHEN did the Palestinians established a sovereign and independent state?

Most Respectfully,
R

When could the Palestinians exercise their rights without being under the gun. Which, of course, is illegal.

 

[Hossfly]

P F Tinmore; et al,

Again, I ask the same question (this time using your words).

Irrelevant. It doesn't matter. Israeli propaganda talking point.

(QUESTION)

Prior to 1988, WHEN did the Palestinians established a sovereign and independent state?

Most Respectfully,
R

When could the Palestinians exercise their rights without being under the gun. Which, of course, is illegal.

I'm disappointed in you, Paul. I was sure you would finally answer a straight forward question without your usual repartee.

 

[toastman]

OK, but irrelevant.

It's VERY relevant.

No it isn't. A state is the product of self determination, not a prerequisite.

Whether Palestine has ever been a state or not (debatable) does not change popular sovereignty under the right to self determination.

False ! Unless you have a link that says this ??

And no, it is NOT debatable weather Palestine has been a state or not. That's kind of the whole point of me telling you all this