Man uses his concealed gun to save life of woman entering abortion clinic...likely there to kill her baby. Leftists cry.

[meaner gene]

... and they failed to arrest and convict because of left wing policies about not arresting and convicting criminals who commit felonies.....

I call BULLSHIT.

The BLM protesters who were identified, that committed felonies, were arrested, indicted, and now await trial.

 

[meaner gene]

Gun stores do not have blanket immunity....if they break the law they can be sued....what the Lawful Commerce in Arms Act does is prevent left wing, democrat party operatives from starting fake lawsuits to bankrupt gun makers and stores who did not break the law...

You mean liked the makers and distributors of oxycontin?

States argue that these companies marketed these drugs in a misleading way, downplaying the risks and exaggerating the benefits. They also claim distributors supplied millions of pills when they should have realized there was a problem and the drugs were being abused.

Opioid lawsuits generate payouts, controversy

In the biggest opioid case to date, Purdue Pharma, manufacturer of OxyContin, reached a tentative settlement last week with 23 states and attorneys representing roughly 2,000 local governments. The deal would have Purdue Pharma file for bankruptcy and pay as much as $12 billion over time, with...

www.americanbar.org

Had pharmaceuticals been shielded like the gun makers and dealers, they wouldn't have to pay either.

 

[2aguy]

... and they failed to arrest and convict because of left wing policies about not arresting and convicting criminals who commit felonies.....

I call BULLSHIT.

The BLM protesters who were identified, that committed felonies, were arrested, indicted, and now await trial.

You don't know what you are talking about...

First...they dropped charges against the majority of blm protestors....everywhere...

Second.....when we talk about the Florida high school shooting, the obama "Promise Program," was used as an excuse to not arrest and convict the shooter of several previous law breaking actions...bringing knives and bullets onto his high school campus, which would have given him a criminal record, which would have prevented him from getting the rifle......also, the local police had over 32 interactions with him and his family, and again, the "Promise Program," was used to keep from arresting him...


Third.....democrat party policies in the cities they control release violent, known, repeat gun offenders over and over again......

 

[meaner gene]

I call BULLSHIT.

The BLM protesters who were identified, that committed felonies, were arrested, indicted, and now await trial.

You don't know what you are talking about...

First...they dropped charges against the majority of blm protestors....everywhere...

That's because all those protesters were charged with minor misdemeanors or violations. NOT felonies.

The same thing happens after most protests. Where the police sweep the crowd charging them with things like failure to disburse, curfew violations, or 3rd degree trespass. After checking their criminal record, they're released with a desk appearance ticket. And instead of clogging the courts with minor violations, they instead concentrate on those who committed felonies.

 

[meaner gene]

Second.....when we talk about the Florida high school shooting, the obama "Promise Program," was used as an excuse to not arrest and convict the shooter of several previous law breaking actions...bringing knives and bullets onto his high school campus, which would have given him a criminal record, which would have prevented him from getting the rifle......

Check the law. That wouldn't have stopped him. Possession of a knife or bullets, etc would be misdemeanors that don't carry sentences of over a year.

Virginia knife law is wordy, restrictive, and complicated by local ordinances across the state. ... It is a Class 4 Misdemeanor to have in one's possession a switchblade knife or ballistic knife with the intent to sell, barter, or transfer the item.

And background checks only cover felonies, violent misdemeanors, and domestic violence.

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[2aguy]

Second.....when we talk about the Florida high school shooting, the obama "Promise Program," was used as an excuse to not arrest and convict the shooter of several previous law breaking actions...bringing knives and bullets onto his high school campus, which would have given him a criminal record, which would have prevented him from getting the rifle......

Check the law. That wouldn't have stopped him. Possession of a knife or bullets, etc would be misdemeanors that don't carry sentences of over a year.

Virginia knife law is wordy, restrictive, and complicated by local ordinances across the state. ... It is a Class 4 Misdemeanor to have in one's possession a switchblade knife or ballistic knife with the intent to sell, barter, or transfer the item.

And background checks only cover felonies, violent misdemeanors, and domestic violence.

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Yeah...again...

Cruz’s threats to the teens could constitute aggravated cyberstalking, a felony, said Louis, the former Miami-Dade prosecutor. They could also violate state law against issuing written threats to kill.

“You have no right to say to somebody, ‘I’m going to kill you,’ ” Louis said.

Richard Della Fera, a Miami defense attorney, agreed. And he said the lack of investigation into what was clearly a crime was troubling.

“If law enforcement saw the messages and could identify the person who was sending them, the ball got dropped when the investigation didn’t go any further,” said Della Fera, who has handled high-profile cases of people accused of posting violent material online.

Most important: Being charged with aggravated cyberstalking could have prevented Cruz from possessing the weapon he used to kill 17 people.

A condition of bond for felony stalking charges in Broward is the surrender of all firearms.

“He would be required to surrender any firearms that he had,” Della Fera said. “He wouldn’t have had the firearm.”
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Cruz could also have been charged federally.

In September, he wrote “I’m going to be a professional school shooter” on a YouTube channel. The comment would have been enough to charge Cruz with threatening to injure another person, a felony, according to an official in the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Miami.

The comment was reported to the FBI. But a lackluster investigation did not identify Cruz as its author.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201887629.html

 

[2aguy]

I call BULLSHIT.

The BLM protesters who were identified, that committed felonies, were arrested, indicted, and now await trial.

You don't know what you are talking about...

First...they dropped charges against the majority of blm protestors....everywhere...

That's because all those protesters were charged with minor misdemeanors or violations. NOT felonies.

The same thing happens after most protests. Where the police sweep the crowd charging them with things like failure to disburse, curfew violations, or 3rd degree trespass. After checking their criminal record, they're released with a desk appearance ticket. And instead of clogging the courts with minor violations, they instead concentrate on those who committed felonies.

Except for the Jan. 6 protestors...the ones who calmly walked the hallways and took selfies........they are still in federal prison....for trespassing offences...

 

[2aguy]

Second.....when we talk about the Florida high school shooting, the obama "Promise Program," was used as an excuse to not arrest and convict the shooter of several previous law breaking actions...bringing knives and bullets onto his high school campus, which would have given him a criminal record, which would have prevented him from getting the rifle......

Check the law. That wouldn't have stopped him. Possession of a knife or bullets, etc would be misdemeanors that don't carry sentences of over a year.

Virginia knife law is wordy, restrictive, and complicated by local ordinances across the state. ... It is a Class 4 Misdemeanor to have in one's possession a switchblade knife or ballistic knife with the intent to sell, barter, or transfer the item.

And background checks only cover felonies, violent misdemeanors, and domestic violence.

Background Checks for Guns: What Do You Need to Know? | CriminalWatchDog

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And this one...

In fact, Kelley, who served in logistics readiness at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico from 2010 to 2014, received a bad conduct discharge, according Air Force spokesperson Ann Stefanek.

Kelley was court-martialed in 2012 for two counts of assault on his then-wife and assault on their child, Stefanek said. In addition to the bad conduct discharge, Kelley also received a reduction in rank and confinement for 12 months.
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The Air Force tells CBS News Kelley's case was a general court martial, the most serious level of military trial proceedings, reserved for allegations similar to felonies in civilian jurisdictions.
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Texas and federal laws prohibit those with domestic violence convictions from owning firearm. The military is supposed to report to the FBI, for the purposes of prohibiting firearm purchases, convictions on domestic violence charges, as well as convictions that carry maximum potential sentences of more than a year in confinement. It is unclear if the FBI was notified about Kelley's case, which fit both conditions.

Texas church shooting: How was Devin Patrick Kelley discharged from the Air Force?

Sutherland Springs shooter Devin Patrick Kelley received a bad conduct discharge from the U.S. Air Force, a less severe penalty than dishonorable discharge, which would have barred him from owning firearms

www.cbsnews.com

 

[meaner gene]

Cruz’s threats to the teens could constitute aggravated cyberstalking, a felony, said Louis, the former Miami-Dade prosecutor. They could also violate state law against issuing written threats to kill.

Cyberstalking requirement:

“Course of conduct” means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time,

Did he threaten the same person, over a period of time?

 

[meaner gene]

Except for the Jan. 6 protestors...the ones who calmly walked the hallways and took selfies........they are still in federal prison....for trespassing offences...

Again I call BULLSHIT.

Nobody on January 6th faced ONLY trespass charges. And the only ones still in jail are those the judges ruled were a threat to others. Even the woman who stole Nancy Pelosi's laptop was let out of jail.

 

[2aguy]

Cruz’s threats to the teens could constitute aggravated cyberstalking, a felony, said Louis, the former Miami-Dade prosecutor. They could also violate state law against issuing written threats to kill.

Cyberstalking requirement:

“Course of conduct” means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time,

Did he threaten the same person, over a period of time?

There was enough to arrest him...they didn't .....

 

[2aguy]

Except for the Jan. 6 protestors...the ones who calmly walked the hallways and took selfies........they are still in federal prison....for trespassing offences...

Again I call BULLSHIT.

Nobody on January 6th faced ONLY trespass charges. And the only ones still in jail are those the judges ruled were a threat to others. Even the woman who stole Nancy Pelosi's laptop was let out of jail.

No...they are being held so that the democrats can pretend they are a threat....

 

[Hollie]

Well, it is predictable.

MSN

www.msn.com

Haven't you seen the pattern. No matter who is president, no matter what the policies are, the gun manufacturers come up with new and novel reasons to convince people to buy more gun$$$$$.

Gun Sales and Manufacturing Statistics [2022]

Curious how the gun companies are doing these days? Let's just say business is booming. Check out the data and these gun sales stats now!

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2010 14,409,616
2011 16,454,951
2012 19,592,303
2013 21,093,273
2014 20,968,547
2015 23,141,970
2016 27,538,673
2017 25,235,215
2018 26,181,936
2019 28,369,750
2020 39,695,315

Look at the percentage increase in 2020 vs. 2019. Wasn't 2020 the ''summer of love'' in Portland and dem controlled cities were burning?

Democrats. Best firearm salespeople on the planet.

 

[Hollie]

No...moron, your "God" government was supposed to put criminal records into the system....your "God" was supposed to arrest and convict people who commit crimes........

The FBI and the Air Force failed they system.......obama's "Promise Program," kept another shooter from having a criminal record that would have stopped him from getting a gun..

Those are not failures of the gun stores...the gun stores did their job, they did what you shit heads wanted, they did the federally mandated background checks for buying a gun.....

again, the gun store made the decision to look a crazy person in the eye, and say, "Well, yup, he looks like someone who should totally have a gun."

That's the primary point of failure, buddy.

So let's say we got rid of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), which was imposed after gun stores sold guns to Malvo and Mohammed, a couple of guys who were in the system as a minor and a felon. A jury found the gun seller liable, but then Congress swooped in and gave them blanket immunity.

You have no faith in government... fine. Let the Gun Industry run background checks themselves... and then be held accountable when they sell to the wrong people.

Again, falsehoods and misinformation from the rabid leftist.

The gun store owner is not required to be a practioning psychiatrist and make judgements about a persons mental health.

Your pompous blathering about ''the gun store made the decision to look a crazy person in the eye''... is just leftist hysteria and misinformation. Identify a single source that confirms the gun store owner sold a firearm to someone they believed was a ''crazy person''.

Identify a single source that documents the gun buyer ''acting crazy''. My suspicion is that you can't even define the terms you use.

Stereotypical rabid leftists tend to be big on falsehoods, hysteria and misinformation while coming up short on facts.

 

[meaner gene]

Cyberstalking requirement:

“Course of conduct” means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time,

Did he threaten the same person, over a period of time?

There was enough to arrest him...they didn't .....

The standard for arrest is reasonable suspicion.
You need to provide he met the standard for indictment and conviction of a felony. As in repeated behavior over a period of time.

It's like the difference between evading taxes for a couple of tax returns resulting in a fine. And doing the same thing for 15 years, resulting in a felony.

 

[meaner gene]

Again I call BULLSHIT.

And the only ones still in jail are those the judges ruled were a threat to others.

No...they are being held so that the democrats can pretend they are a threat....

Are you referring to the Qanon shaman?

In that ruling, Lamberth cited comments Angeli made in an interview with the CBS News show “60 Minutes+” that the judge said showed Angeli did not show remorse nor understand the gravity of his actions.

That he didn’t know what he did wrong meant that he could repeat the behavior if released, Lamberth ruled.

“Defendant's perception of his actions on January 6 as peaceful, benign, and well-intentioned shows a detachment from reality," Lamberth wrote.

 

[ClaireH]

The increase in gun homicide in Sweden is closely linked to criminal milieux in socially disadvantaged areas,” the report said, noting that shooting deaths had more than doubled between 2011 and 2019 and now accounted for 40% of violent deaths.

Guns in Sweden — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in Sweden, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development

www.gunpolicy.org

Okay, let's look at this bit of Cherry Picking by DickTiny.

Yes, in 2011 the number of gun homicides was a whopping 17 and in 2017, it was 39. (I don't have figures for 2019) That sounds horrible...until you realize it really isn't.

There were 29 gun homicides in 1995 and 30 gun homicides 1999. In fact, this very small number has been all over the board, actually being as low as 11 in 2005.

Now, compare that to the US...

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United States, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development

www.gunpolicy.org

We haven't had less than 10,000 gun homicides since 1998. The number was 14,389 in 2019, and frankly, when we finally get figures for 2020, with TRUMP PLAGUE and TRUMP RIOTS numbers, I'm sure those are going to be much, much, much worse.

Do you need to separate suicides by gun deaths in those total gun death stats? Asking for a friend The point is somebody who is determined to commit suicide and uses a gun to do so is most likely still going to commit suicide using another means. I read that suffocation is the 2nd cause of suicide in the states, so likely those would increase significantly along with intentional OD’s,
use of knives and other means. In order for an estimated “total gun homicides” stat to be valid, you need to first separate the two.

 

[ClaireH]

Sweden didn't have the violence 10 years ago, now the criminals there are shooting at each other with fully automatic military weapons and grenades...you idiot........criminal culture changes, it is not static you idiot....now that 3rd world immigrants are taking control of the drug trade in Sweden, they don't care about gun control laws in Sweden, you idiot.....

Um, yeah, they still don't have violence.

I mean, seriously, 39 gun murders for the whole country?

No figures for Grenade murders...

Compared to 14,500 for the US.

Um, yeah, guns are the problem, Dick Tiny, not "criminal culture", whatever the fuck that is.

One big reason they have less violence is that their gangs aren't divided against each other, by race or by group, as they are in the US. It's apples and oranges with the exception is that they're both fruits... and both countries have seen increases in crimes as they open up immigration and restrict guns from those who need them to defend themselves.

You know reading your post made me think of a recent prison documentary that reveals how most federal prisons have their criminals separated intentionally according to their specific divisions- blacks hang with blacks only, whites same thing, hispanics same. Watching one of the documentaries a prison warden was asked about how this happened and he said that the inmates enforce it, so the prisons allow it. That was an eye-opener for me, but relative to this thread there’s got to be a positive correlation there because these racial divisions result in more shankings and internal infighting and one-upping. The craziest part in my mind is that prison administrators and guards allow for these pod divisions letting the the pod bosses rule the roost basically.

 

[meaner gene]

The point is somebody who is determined to commit suicide and uses a gun to do so is most likely still going to commit suicide using another means. I read that suffocation is the 2nd cause of suicide in the states, so likely those would increase significantly along with intentional OD’s,
use of knives and other means.

Lethality of Suicide Methods

What Governs Lethality? A number of factors are theorized to influence the lethality of a given method. The first is inherent deadliness. For example, car exhaust with a high CO level will be more …

www.hsph.harvard.edu

suicide by firearm is 82.5% effective
OD is only 1.5%

Plus how long it takes is also controlling. Long slow methods often bring a change of heart. While actions that can't be aborted once commenced, like firearms or jumping are usually fatal.

 

[ClaireH]

The point is somebody who is determined to commit suicide and uses a gun to do so is most likely still going to commit suicide using another means. I read that suffocation is the 2nd cause of suicide in the states, so likely those would increase significantly along with intentional OD’s,
use of knives and other means.

Lethality of Suicide Methods

What Governs Lethality? A number of factors are theorized to influence the lethality of a given method. The first is inherent deadliness. For example, car exhaust with a high CO level will be more …

www.hsph.harvard.edu

suicide by firearm is 82.5% effective
OD is only 1.5%

Plus how long it takes is also controlling. Long slow methods often bring a change of heart. While actions that can't be aborted once commenced, like firearms or jumping are usually fatal.

MeanGene your source is outdated from 1980 something to ‘97. I’m going to come back to your comment with more recent findings, but it will be a while I have something coming up here to do. I am not arguing about that high stat for effective outcome with a gun, but just offhand and not checking first, that OD stat seems really low particularly with new, potent drugs made available in the market since the 90’s.