Many questions remain about 9/11 as we near the 18th anniversary.

[rightwinger]

The reason there are questions about the Pentagon is simple---
why were all the cameras off ?

Which cameras were off?
And what could that possibly have to do with an airline hitting the Pentagon?

Do you believe the government spread aircraft debris around the Pentagon or not?

Come on 9-11 Truthers.......you got some Splaining to do

How did the airline debris get to the Pentagon crash site?

And how did the bodies, still belted into airplane seats, get embedded in Pentagon rubble?

Dick Cheney sneak them in when no one was looking?

Ummmm......maybe they were on the plane when it crashed into the building

Question for you now.......how could anyone get a charred body whose DNA matched a passenger on that plane into the rubble of the Pentagon ?
How could anyone get the personal affects and IDs of passengers on that plane into the rubble?

You got some Splaining to do

They used a missile with seats and passengers. Durr…...

Lot of passengers to get on a missile

 

[the other mike]

The Big Apple looks like Shanghai now.
I'll never go back.

 

[the other mike]

Lot of passengers to get on a missile

The biggest questions about the Pentagon to me involve the VP.
Why were the Pentagon survellance cameras turned off that day and
why did Cheney apparently order a stand-down on Flight 77 as it approached the Pentagon ?

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-pentagon/

 

[rightwinger]

Lot of passengers to get on a missile

The biggest questions about the Pentagon to me involve the VP.
Why were the Pentagon survellance cameras turned off that day and
why did Cheney apparently order a stand-down on Flight 77 as it approached the Pentagon ?

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-pentagon/

What makes you think Pentagon cameras were turned off?
Which cameras are you talking about?

Cheney was VP, he has no authority to order anything

There was mass confusion at the time, what could Cheney possibly do?

 

[the other mike]

One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.

Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.

Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.

All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.

But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

 

[the other mike]

What makes you think Pentagon cameras were turned off?
Which cameras are you talking about?

Cheney was VP, he has no authority to order anything

There was mass confusion at the time, what could Cheney possibly do?

In the absence of the president and Secretary of Defense, Dick was the man that day.
And the cameras were either off or FBI confiscated them.
The 85 Pentagon Area Surveillance Cameras - 9/11 TV

 

[rightwinger]

One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.

Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.

Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.

All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.

But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

Ummmmm....that’s a tough one

Maybe being shredded in the collapse of a hundred story building had something to do with it

Are you claiming that jet airliners did not hit the WTC?

 

[rightwinger]

What makes you think Pentagon cameras were turned off?
Which cameras are you talking about?

Cheney was VP, he has no authority to order anything

There was mass confusion at the time, what could Cheney possibly do?

In the absence of the president and Secretary of Defense, Dick was the man that day.
And the cameras were either off or FBI confiscated them.
The 85 Pentagon Area Surveillance Cameras - 9/11 TV

Your link

• Most of those 85 cameras were not aimed in the direction of the Pentagon and/or at the part of the Pentagon in question.
• Most cameras were located a considerable distance from the impact event, and virtually all surveillance cameras had wide-angle (fisheye) lenses which cause some geometric distortion and render distant objects at very low resolution.
• Many cameras had obstructed views of the Pentagon impact area.
• In 2001, virtually all surveillance cameras had low spacial resolution.
• In 2001, most surveillance cameras recorded at low frame rates (low temporal resolution), in the range of one to eight frames per second. By comparison, American TV is most often 30 frames/second.
• The high speed of the plane, accelerating to around 550 mph, resulted in image blurring, and offered a low chance of catching more than a single frame of the plane, given the low-recorded frame rate (one frame/sec).

 

[the other mike]

What makes you think Pentagon cameras were turned off?
Which cameras are you talking about?

Cheney was VP, he has no authority to order anything

There was mass confusion at the time, what could Cheney possibly do?

In the absence of the president and Secretary of Defense, Dick was the man that day.
And the cameras were either off or FBI confiscated them.
The 85 Pentagon Area Surveillance Cameras - 9/11 TV

Your link

• Most of those 85 cameras were not aimed in the direction of the Pentagon and/or at the part of the Pentagon in question.
• Most cameras were located a considerable distance from the impact event, and virtually all surveillance cameras had wide-angle (fisheye) lenses which cause some geometric distortion and render distant objects at very low resolution.
• Many cameras had obstructed views of the Pentagon impact area.
• In 2001, virtually all surveillance cameras had low spacial resolution.
• In 2001, most surveillance cameras recorded at low frame rates (low temporal resolution), in the range of one to eight frames per second. By comparison, American TV is most often 30 frames/second.
• The high speed of the plane, accelerating to around 550 mph, resulted in image blurring, and offered a low chance of catching more than a single frame of the plane, given the low-recorded frame rate (one frame/sec).

Also from my link;
Introduction

According to the FBI, there were 85 video surveillance cameras in the vicinity of the Pentagon that might have captured some parts of the Pentagon event on 9/11. The FBI confiscated some of the recordings from those cameras very shortly after the event, and the rest over the following days. This act by the government fueled the suspicions of those questioning a large plane impact into the Pentagon. It is known that the FBI confiscated much 9/11 evidence, including evidence at all four crash sites; thus their confiscations at the Pentagon were typical, not unusual. However, since the two videos that were released do appear to contain useful information about what hit the Pentagon, we should not automatically assume the FBI is being dishonest here.

Why very few cameras captured the impact event

There are a number of valid reasons why only 4 of the 85 videos were released by the FBI in response to a FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) request filed in 2004, which was fulfilled in 2006. Because of a number of factors (listed below and detailed in the footnotes) only 2 of the 85 cameras captured any useful footage of the plane-impact event[1].

• Most of those 85 cameras were not aimed in the direction of the Pentagon and/or at the part of the Pentagon in question.
• Most cameras were located a considerable distance from the impact event, and virtually all surveillance cameras had wide-angle (fisheye) lenses which cause some geometric distortion and render distant objects at very low resolution.
• Many cameras had obstructed views of the Pentagon impact area.
• In 2001, virtually all surveillance cameras had low spacial resolution.
• In 2001, most surveillance cameras recorded at low frame rates (low temporal resolution), in the range of one to eight frames per second. By comparison, American TV is most often 30 frames/second.
• The high speed of the plane, accelerating to around 550 mph, resulted in image blurring, and offered a low chance of catching more than a single frame of the plane, given the low-recorded frame rate (one frame/sec).

History

The well-known “5-frames” from a Pentagon surveillance camera were first released in March of 2002. The only frame that appears to include the plane has a post obstructing the camera’s view of almost everything but the tail fin.

In December 2004, Judicial Watch, a public interest group, filed a FOIA request on behalf of Scott Bingham. The request was for surveillance camera footage that might show the plane approaching and/or hitting the Pentagon.

The FBI identified 85 surveillance cameras that were located in the vicinity of the Pentagon that might have revealed the plane. After the Zacarias Moussaoui trial ended in 2006, the Department of Defense released 4 of those videos2, including a 200 frame extended version of the 5-frame sequence first released in 2002.

Completely new to the public in 2006 were the 183 frames that were released from a second identical surveillance camera located adjacent to the first camera within the same security checkpoint. One of these new frames provided an unobstructed view of the plane, but at such low contrast and resolution it was not initially noticed or reported as such. Instead, what appears to be the same white smoke seen in the crucial frame from the first camera (released in 2002) is also seen at the edge of the second camera’s crucial frame. The shape of the white smoke was mistakenly identified in news media as the plane’s nose.3

What the two Pentagon camera recordings reveal

Both of the two Pentagon surveillance cameras were in a security check point located about 833 feet north of the impact point. Both cameras show what appears to be white smoke trailing the approach of a rapidly moving object. The frames that followed the impact of that object show a massive orange fireball, quickly followed by a rising column of black smoke, and then debris fragments raining down and landing near the two cameras six to nine seconds after the impact.4

The second Pentagon camera had an unobstructed view, and has one frame which appears to show a plane near the right edge of the frame, and appears to have the same white smoke trail that is seen in the 5-frame sequence. In a way similar to the identical first (5-frames) camera, the recordings from this second camera yielded a low resolution image of distant objects due in part to their wide-angle lenses, so the images do not make clear what is revealed by the second camera’s frames either. But what does appear in the crucial frame from the second camera resembles a somewhat out-of-focus airliner, including the tail fin and trailing smoke as seen in the adjacent “5-frame” camera.

A blow up of a part of two frames from the second Pentagon surveillance camera.

As seen in the frames from both cameras and as noted here, there was a large fireball explosion seen in several frames as would be produced by atomized jet fuel. This fireball closely resembled the jet fuel fireballs seen at the WTC.

WTC 2 Pentagon WTC 2

The preponderance of eyewitness and physical evidence points to a plane, specifically a silver plane, which produced that fireball seen in footage from both cameras, and seen by hundreds of witnesses.

One of the first of the five frames shows a fuzzy dark shape resembling a plane tail fin projecting upwards above and behind the top of a post in the foreground that obscures most of the approaching object itself.

Frame from the first Pentagon surveillance camera (detail)

In the next frame, the fuzzy tail fin is gone, and a fireball is seen erupting from the side of the Pentagon building.

A computer graphic simulation by Mike Wilson,5 illustrating a 757-sized plane impact approaching and impacting the Pentagon, incorporates the one crucial frame of the 5-frame sequence and clearly illustrates how a 757 would be almost completely obscured by the post, except for the tail.

Computer graphic simulation of a frame from the first camera

A few researchers have questioned the five frames as doctored, staged and/or fraudulent, but there is no evidence for such fraud.

Further analysis of the frames from the two on-site surveillance cameras, and in particular of their common multiplexer and recorder system, may eventually provide additional evidence.

Why was the plane trailing white smoke?

The trailing white smoke has been interpreted in at least four different ways:

1. As smoke from a missile’s rocket engine exhaust.
2. As atomized fuel venting from wing fuel tank damage caused by collisions of the wings with one or more of the five light poles.
3. As the result of engine damage from a lamp housing of a streetlight hit by the plane’s wing, being ingested by the right engine of the plane.
4. As smoke generated by tree branches and leaves ingested and burned by the right engine of a large plane. (This tree appears in the two images below.)

The author favors explanation #4 as the most likely source of the white smoke, in part because the top of a tree with sheared branches appears to be very closely aligned with the right engine of the incoming plane.

Any of the last three interpretations are consistent with the large plane theory.

Conclusion

Since 2006, researchers have had all the frames of interest from both of the two surveillance cameras with the best useful information about the Pentagon event. Unfortunately, both sets of camera images are low resolution, and so what is seen is inconclusive. But what can be concluded with confidence is that the footage from both cameras is consistent with the large plane impact theory. Perhaps most significantly, one camera seems to show an unobstructed, but low-resolution view of the rapidly approaching plane.

Acknowledgments

This paper was adapted and expanded from a section of a new paper by Victoria Ashley, David Chandler, Jonathan H. Cole, Jim Hoffman, Ken Jenkins, Frank Legge, and John D. Wyndham published here: Scientific Method 9/11. Additional editing assistance by Paul Rea. Thank you all for your help.

Footnotes

[1] FBI Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire was tasked with responding to the 2004 Judicial Watch FIOA request, made on behalf of Scott Bingham, regarding the surveillance camera recordings the FBI gathered in the Pentagon area after 9/11.

Ms. Maguire’s specific responses are in quotes in the following text.

The FBI said they identified 85 video recordings that might show the plane impact into the Pentagon, but this number was the result of an initial search that included (for example) all videos obtained by the Washington Field Office.

From that starting point, the numbers of useful recordings regarding the Pentagon event begin to fall dramatically:

• Very nearly 2/3rds of the 85 recordings, specifically 56 “of these video recordings did not show either the Pentagon building, the Pentagon crash site, or the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11.”
• Of the remaining 29 video recordings, 16 did show some part of the Pentagon, but “did not show the Pentagon crash site and did not show the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon.”
• Of the 13 remaining recordings, 11 “only showed the Pentagon after the impact of Flight 77.” An example is the video that was released from the Doubletree Hotel. That camera was initially pointed away from the Pentagon, then repositioned minutes after the crash to point towards the smoke cloud rising from the Pentagon crash site.
• The two remaining recordings, from the Pentagon’s two security cameras both clearly showed the Pentagon impact fireball. One of those two recordings seems to show only the fin of the plane, due to a foreground obstruction. The other recording seems to show the entire plane, but also at low resolution.

2 Military Daily News

3 May 16, 2006, CNN – Anderson Cooper “Keeping Them Honest”

4 9-11 Research: Two Pentagon Videos

5 Integrated Consultants, Inc.,

Additional links

http://911myths.com/index.php/FBI_hides_84_Pentagon_videos

Flight77.info - 85 videos

9/11 Pentagon Attack Footage Flight 77, 2012, analysis of the 2nd camera .

Addendum

Date/Time overlay from 5-frames released in March 2002

The 5-frame sequence as released in 2002 had a date/time stamp added, with the date 9/12/2001, along with the word “plane” in the first frame, and “impact” in the second and following frames (the frames with the fireball).

Some have thought that the added date being off by a day and the wrong time was suspicious and might reveal fraud, but the 2006 release of 200 frames without the date/time stamps revealed that the date/time overlays in the frames released in 2002 were not added in real time or burned into the video, but were added later, specifically on Sept 12th.

We now have confirmation that the date/time and descriptive text were added the following day, on 9/12/2001. We know this from a November 9, 2006 interview with Brian Austin and Steve Pennington, who both worked on and with the Pentagon surveillance cameras. Pennington extracted those frames on 9/12/2001 as requested by FBI officials. Pennington added the descriptions “plane” and “impact”. Pennington said:

“Unfortunately, the software had a bug in it, and when a still image was saved, it captured the time in the computer at the time you were capturing the image or saving the image from the video to become a still picture…. That [bug] has long since been corrected, but that is the reason that the time and date are wrong.”

This detailed interview informs us about much more than the source of the date error, such as the purpose of the two surveillance cameras in question, and why they were aimed as they were. There is also mention of why there were not images from other cameras – for example, several cameras were destroyed by the plane impact. Besides other cameras, they discuss the recorders, what CD-ROM copies were made and for who, the recording frame rate and why it was so slow (1 fps), the backup recordings made onto DAT media, and other details.

The bottom line is that this interview helps confirm the legitimacy of the two Pentagon surveillance cameras and the frames from them that were leaked in 2002 and formally released in 2006. It follows the chain of evidence from the FBI, who released the frames to the public, back to the actual two people who pulled those frames off the recorder that contained the desired image data from both cameras – including frames of the plane and of the fireball that resulted from plane’s impact into the side of the Pentagon.

Thus there is little reason to doubt the legitimacy of the surveillance camera frame that shows the blurry plane rapidly approaching the Pentagon a fraction of a second before impact.

The full interview with Brian Austin and Steve Pennington can be found here: http://history.defense.gov/Portals/70/Documents/oral_history/OH_Trans_AustinBrian Steve Pennington111-9-2006.pdf

 

[rightwinger]

What makes you think Pentagon cameras were turned off?
Which cameras are you talking about?

Cheney was VP, he has no authority to order anything

There was mass confusion at the time, what could Cheney possibly do?

In the absence of the president and Secretary of Defense, Dick was the man that day.
And the cameras were either off or FBI confiscated them.
The 85 Pentagon Area Surveillance Cameras - 9/11 TV

Your link

• Most of those 85 cameras were not aimed in the direction of the Pentagon and/or at the part of the Pentagon in question.
• Most cameras were located a considerable distance from the impact event, and virtually all surveillance cameras had wide-angle (fisheye) lenses which cause some geometric distortion and render distant objects at very low resolution.
• Many cameras had obstructed views of the Pentagon impact area.
• In 2001, virtually all surveillance cameras had low spacial resolution.
• In 2001, most surveillance cameras recorded at low frame rates (low temporal resolution), in the range of one to eight frames per second. By comparison, American TV is most often 30 frames/second.
• The high speed of the plane, accelerating to around 550 mph, resulted in image blurring, and offered a low chance of catching more than a single frame of the plane, given the low-recorded frame rate (one frame/sec).

Also from my link;
Introduction

According to the FBI, there were 85 video surveillance cameras in the vicinity of the Pentagon that might have captured some parts of the Pentagon event on 9/11. The FBI confiscated some of the recordings from those cameras very shortly after the event, and the rest over the following days. This act by the government fueled the suspicions of those questioning a large plane impact into the Pentagon. It is known that the FBI confiscated much 9/11 evidence, including evidence at all four crash sites; thus their confiscations at the Pentagon were typical, not unusual. However, since the two videos that were released do appear to contain useful information about what hit the Pentagon, we should not automatically assume the FBI is being dishonest here.

Why very few cameras captured the impact event

There are a number of valid reasons why only 4 of the 85 videos were released by the FBI in response to a FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) request filed in 2004, which was fulfilled in 2006. Because of a number of factors (listed below and detailed in the footnotes) only 2 of the 85 cameras captured any useful footage of the plane-impact event[1].

• Most of those 85 cameras were not aimed in the direction of the Pentagon and/or at the part of the Pentagon in question.
• Most cameras were located a considerable distance from the impact event, and virtually all surveillance cameras had wide-angle (fisheye) lenses which cause some geometric distortion and render distant objects at very low resolution.
• Many cameras had obstructed views of the Pentagon impact area.
• In 2001, virtually all surveillance cameras had low spacial resolution.
• In 2001, most surveillance cameras recorded at low frame rates (low temporal resolution), in the range of one to eight frames per second. By comparison, American TV is most often 30 frames/second.
• The high speed of the plane, accelerating to around 550 mph, resulted in image blurring, and offered a low chance of catching more than a single frame of the plane, given the low-recorded frame rate (one frame/sec).

History

The well-known “5-frames” from a Pentagon surveillance camera were first released in March of 2002. The only frame that appears to include the plane has a post obstructing the camera’s view of almost everything but the tail fin.

In December 2004, Judicial Watch, a public interest group, filed a FOIA request on behalf of Scott Bingham. The request was for surveillance camera footage that might show the plane approaching and/or hitting the Pentagon.

The FBI identified 85 surveillance cameras that were located in the vicinity of the Pentagon that might have revealed the plane. After the Zacarias Moussaoui trial ended in 2006, the Department of Defense released 4 of those videos2, including a 200 frame extended version of the 5-frame sequence first released in 2002.

Completely new to the public in 2006 were the 183 frames that were released from a second identical surveillance camera located adjacent to the first camera within the same security checkpoint. One of these new frames provided an unobstructed view of the plane, but at such low contrast and resolution it was not initially noticed or reported as such. Instead, what appears to be the same white smoke seen in the crucial frame from the first camera (released in 2002) is also seen at the edge of the second camera’s crucial frame. The shape of the white smoke was mistakenly identified in news media as the plane’s nose.3

What the two Pentagon camera recordings reveal

Both of the two Pentagon surveillance cameras were in a security check point located about 833 feet north of the impact point. Both cameras show what appears to be white smoke trailing the approach of a rapidly moving object. The frames that followed the impact of that object show a massive orange fireball, quickly followed by a rising column of black smoke, and then debris fragments raining down and landing near the two cameras six to nine seconds after the impact.4

The second Pentagon camera had an unobstructed view, and has one frame which appears to show a plane near the right edge of the frame, and appears to have the same white smoke trail that is seen in the 5-frame sequence. In a way similar to the identical first (5-frames) camera, the recordings from this second camera yielded a low resolution image of distant objects due in part to their wide-angle lenses, so the images do not make clear what is revealed by the second camera’s frames either. But what does appear in the crucial frame from the second camera resembles a somewhat out-of-focus airliner, including the tail fin and trailing smoke as seen in the adjacent “5-frame” camera.

A blow up of a part of two frames from the second Pentagon surveillance camera.

As seen in the frames from both cameras and as noted here, there was a large fireball explosion seen in several frames as would be produced by atomized jet fuel. This fireball closely resembled the jet fuel fireballs seen at the WTC.

WTC 2 Pentagon WTC 2

The preponderance of eyewitness and physical evidence points to a plane, specifically a silver plane, which produced that fireball seen in footage from both cameras, and seen by hundreds of witnesses.

One of the first of the five frames shows a fuzzy dark shape resembling a plane tail fin projecting upwards above and behind the top of a post in the foreground that obscures most of the approaching object itself.

Frame from the first Pentagon surveillance camera (detail)

In the next frame, the fuzzy tail fin is gone, and a fireball is seen erupting from the side of the Pentagon building.

A computer graphic simulation by Mike Wilson,5 illustrating a 757-sized plane impact approaching and impacting the Pentagon, incorporates the one crucial frame of the 5-frame sequence and clearly illustrates how a 757 would be almost completely obscured by the post, except for the tail.

Computer graphic simulation of a frame from the first camera

A few researchers have questioned the five frames as doctored, staged and/or fraudulent, but there is no evidence for such fraud.

Further analysis of the frames from the two on-site surveillance cameras, and in particular of their common multiplexer and recorder system, may eventually provide additional evidence.

Why was the plane trailing white smoke?

The trailing white smoke has been interpreted in at least four different ways:

1. As smoke from a missile’s rocket engine exhaust.
2. As atomized fuel venting from wing fuel tank damage caused by collisions of the wings with one or more of the five light poles.
3. As the result of engine damage from a lamp housing of a streetlight hit by the plane’s wing, being ingested by the right engine of the plane.
4. As smoke generated by tree branches and leaves ingested and burned by the right engine of a large plane. (This tree appears in the two images below.)

The author favors explanation #4 as the most likely source of the white smoke, in part because the top of a tree with sheared branches appears to be very closely aligned with the right engine of the incoming plane.

Any of the last three interpretations are consistent with the large plane theory.

Conclusion

Since 2006, researchers have had all the frames of interest from both of the two surveillance cameras with the best useful information about the Pentagon event. Unfortunately, both sets of camera images are low resolution, and so what is seen is inconclusive. But what can be concluded with confidence is that the footage from both cameras is consistent with the large plane impact theory. Perhaps most significantly, one camera seems to show an unobstructed, but low-resolution view of the rapidly approaching plane.

Acknowledgments

This paper was adapted and expanded from a section of a new paper by Victoria Ashley, David Chandler, Jonathan H. Cole, Jim Hoffman, Ken Jenkins, Frank Legge, and John D. Wyndham published here: Scientific Method 9/11. Additional editing assistance by Paul Rea. Thank you all for your help.

Footnotes

[1] FBI Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire was tasked with responding to the 2004 Judicial Watch FIOA request, made on behalf of Scott Bingham, regarding the surveillance camera recordings the FBI gathered in the Pentagon area after 9/11.

Ms. Maguire’s specific responses are in quotes in the following text.

The FBI said they identified 85 video recordings that might show the plane impact into the Pentagon, but this number was the result of an initial search that included (for example) all videos obtained by the Washington Field Office.

From that starting point, the numbers of useful recordings regarding the Pentagon event begin to fall dramatically:

• Very nearly 2/3rds of the 85 recordings, specifically 56 “of these video recordings did not show either the Pentagon building, the Pentagon crash site, or the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11.”
• Of the remaining 29 video recordings, 16 did show some part of the Pentagon, but “did not show the Pentagon crash site and did not show the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon.”
• Of the 13 remaining recordings, 11 “only showed the Pentagon after the impact of Flight 77.” An example is the video that was released from the Doubletree Hotel. That camera was initially pointed away from the Pentagon, then repositioned minutes after the crash to point towards the smoke cloud rising from the Pentagon crash site.
• The two remaining recordings, from the Pentagon’s two security cameras both clearly showed the Pentagon impact fireball. One of those two recordings seems to show only the fin of the plane, due to a foreground obstruction. The other recording seems to show the entire plane, but also at low resolution.

2 Military Daily News

3 May 16, 2006, CNN – Anderson Cooper “Keeping Them Honest”

4 9-11 Research: Two Pentagon Videos

5 Integrated Consultants, Inc.,

Additional links

http://911myths.com/index.php/FBI_hides_84_Pentagon_videos

Flight77.info - 85 videos

9/11 Pentagon Attack Footage Flight 77, 2012, analysis of the 2nd camera .

Addendum

Date/Time overlay from 5-frames released in March 2002

The 5-frame sequence as released in 2002 had a date/time stamp added, with the date 9/12/2001, along with the word “plane” in the first frame, and “impact” in the second and following frames (the frames with the fireball).

Some have thought that the added date being off by a day and the wrong time was suspicious and might reveal fraud, but the 2006 release of 200 frames without the date/time stamps revealed that the date/time overlays in the frames released in 2002 were not added in real time or burned into the video, but were added later, specifically on Sept 12th.

We now have confirmation that the date/time and descriptive text were added the following day, on 9/12/2001. We know this from a November 9, 2006 interview with Brian Austin and Steve Pennington, who both worked on and with the Pentagon surveillance cameras. Pennington extracted those frames on 9/12/2001 as requested by FBI officials. Pennington added the descriptions “plane” and “impact”. Pennington said:

“Unfortunately, the software had a bug in it, and when a still image was saved, it captured the time in the computer at the time you were capturing the image or saving the image from the video to become a still picture…. That [bug] has long since been corrected, but that is the reason that the time and date are wrong.”

This detailed interview informs us about much more than the source of the date error, such as the purpose of the two surveillance cameras in question, and why they were aimed as they were. There is also mention of why there were not images from other cameras – for example, several cameras were destroyed by the plane impact. Besides other cameras, they discuss the recorders, what CD-ROM copies were made and for who, the recording frame rate and why it was so slow (1 fps), the backup recordings made onto DAT media, and other details.

The bottom line is that this interview helps confirm the legitimacy of the two Pentagon surveillance cameras and the frames from them that were leaked in 2002 and formally released in 2006. It follows the chain of evidence from the FBI, who released the frames to the public, back to the actual two people who pulled those frames off the recorder that contained the desired image data from both cameras – including frames of the plane and of the fireball that resulted from plane’s impact into the side of the Pentagon.

Thus there is little reason to doubt the legitimacy of the surveillance camera frame that shows the blurry plane rapidly approaching the Pentagon a fraction of a second before impact.

The full interview with Brian Austin and Steve Pennington can be found here: http://history.defense.gov/Portals/70/Documents/oral_history/OH_Trans_AustinBrian Steve Pennington111-9-2006.pdf

Cameras at the Pentagon were made to pick up intruders, not an airplane traveling at close to 500 mph

Irrelevant since it is obvious a plane hit the Pentagon

The plane was tracked on radar up till it hit the Pentagon, both aircraft and human remains were recovered on site. Tracked to both Flight 77 and it’s passengers

 

[the other mike]

Cameras at the Pentagon were made to pick up intruders, not an airplane traveling at close to 500 mph

Irrelevant since it is obvious a plane hit the Pentagon

The plane was tracked on radar up till it hit the Pentagon, both aircraft and human remains were recovered on site. Tracked to both Flight 77 and it’s passengers

And Dick Cheney orchestrated it, or at least allowed it to happen.
"Does the order still stand sir ?"
"Of course the order still stands."

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Cameras at the Pentagon were made to pick up intruders, not an airplane traveling at close to 500 mph

Irrelevant since it is obvious a plane hit the Pentagon

The plane was tracked on radar up till it hit the Pentagon, both aircraft and human remains were recovered on site. Tracked to both Flight 77 and it’s passengers

And Dick Cheney orchestrated it, or at least allowed it to happen.
"Does the order still stand sir ?"
"Of course the order still stands."

Wonder what kind of evade mode Langley agent Rightwinger will use.they NEVER have any answers for these pesky facts.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

One of the more puzzling mysteries of 9-11 is what ever happened to the flight recorders of the two planes that hit the World Trade Center towers. Now it appears that they may not be missing at all.

Counterpunch has learned that the FBI has them.

Flight recorders (commonly known as black boxes, though these days they are generally bright orange) are required on all passenger planes. There are always two-a flight data recorder that keeps track of a plane’s speed, altitude, course and maneuvers, and a cockpit voice recorder which keeps a continuous record of the last 30 minutes of conversation inside a plane’s cockpit. These devices are constructed to be extremely durable, and are installed in a plane’s tail section, where they are least likely suffer damaged on impact. They are designed to withstand up to 30 minutes of 1800-degree heat (more than they would have faced in the twin towers crashes), and to survive a crash at full speed into the ground.

All four of the devices were recovered from the two planes that hit the Pentagon and that crashed in rural Pennsylvania. In the case of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, the FBI reports that the flight data recorder survived and had recoverable information, but the voice recorder was allegedly too damaged to provide any record. In the case of United Airlines Flight 93, which hit the ground at 500 mph in Pennsylvania, the situation was reversed: the voice recorder survived but the flight data box was allegedly damaged beyond recovery.

But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.

9/11: Missing Black Boxes in World Trade Center Attacks Found by Firefighters, Analyzed by NTSB, Concealed by FBI

Why do you copy paste this embarrassing garbage? So reasonable, informed people can mock it?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

What makes you think Pentagon cameras were turned off?
Which cameras are you talking about?

Cheney was VP, he has no authority to order anything

There was mass confusion at the time, what could Cheney possibly do?

In the absence of the president and Secretary of Defense, Dick was the man that day.
And the cameras were either off or FBI confiscated them.
The 85 Pentagon Area Surveillance Cameras - 9/11 TV

Your link

• Most of those 85 cameras were not aimed in the direction of the Pentagon and/or at the part of the Pentagon in question.
• Most cameras were located a considerable distance from the impact event, and virtually all surveillance cameras had wide-angle (fisheye) lenses which cause some geometric distortion and render distant objects at very low resolution.
• Many cameras had obstructed views of the Pentagon impact area.
• In 2001, virtually all surveillance cameras had low spacial resolution.
• In 2001, most surveillance cameras recorded at low frame rates (low temporal resolution), in the range of one to eight frames per second. By comparison, American TV is most often 30 frames/second.
• The high speed of the plane, accelerating to around 550 mph, resulted in image blurring, and offered a low chance of catching more than a single frame of the plane, given the low-recorded frame rate (one frame/sec).

Also from my link;
Introduction

According to the FBI, there were 85 video surveillance cameras in the vicinity of the Pentagon that might have captured some parts of the Pentagon event on 9/11. The FBI confiscated some of the recordings from those cameras very shortly after the event, and the rest over the following days. This act by the government fueled the suspicions of those questioning a large plane impact into the Pentagon. It is known that the FBI confiscated much 9/11 evidence, including evidence at all four crash sites; thus their confiscations at the Pentagon were typical, not unusual. However, since the two videos that were released do appear to contain useful information about what hit the Pentagon, we should not automatically assume the FBI is being dishonest here.

Why very few cameras captured the impact event

There are a number of valid reasons why only 4 of the 85 videos were released by the FBI in response to a FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) request filed in 2004, which was fulfilled in 2006. Because of a number of factors (listed below and detailed in the footnotes) only 2 of the 85 cameras captured any useful footage of the plane-impact event[1].

• Most of those 85 cameras were not aimed in the direction of the Pentagon and/or at the part of the Pentagon in question.
• Most cameras were located a considerable distance from the impact event, and virtually all surveillance cameras had wide-angle (fisheye) lenses which cause some geometric distortion and render distant objects at very low resolution.
• Many cameras had obstructed views of the Pentagon impact area.
• In 2001, virtually all surveillance cameras had low spacial resolution.
• In 2001, most surveillance cameras recorded at low frame rates (low temporal resolution), in the range of one to eight frames per second. By comparison, American TV is most often 30 frames/second.
• The high speed of the plane, accelerating to around 550 mph, resulted in image blurring, and offered a low chance of catching more than a single frame of the plane, given the low-recorded frame rate (one frame/sec).

History

The well-known “5-frames” from a Pentagon surveillance camera were first released in March of 2002. The only frame that appears to include the plane has a post obstructing the camera’s view of almost everything but the tail fin.

In December 2004, Judicial Watch, a public interest group, filed a FOIA request on behalf of Scott Bingham. The request was for surveillance camera footage that might show the plane approaching and/or hitting the Pentagon.

The FBI identified 85 surveillance cameras that were located in the vicinity of the Pentagon that might have revealed the plane. After the Zacarias Moussaoui trial ended in 2006, the Department of Defense released 4 of those videos2, including a 200 frame extended version of the 5-frame sequence first released in 2002.

Completely new to the public in 2006 were the 183 frames that were released from a second identical surveillance camera located adjacent to the first camera within the same security checkpoint. One of these new frames provided an unobstructed view of the plane, but at such low contrast and resolution it was not initially noticed or reported as such. Instead, what appears to be the same white smoke seen in the crucial frame from the first camera (released in 2002) is also seen at the edge of the second camera’s crucial frame. The shape of the white smoke was mistakenly identified in news media as the plane’s nose.3

What the two Pentagon camera recordings reveal

Both of the two Pentagon surveillance cameras were in a security check point located about 833 feet north of the impact point. Both cameras show what appears to be white smoke trailing the approach of a rapidly moving object. The frames that followed the impact of that object show a massive orange fireball, quickly followed by a rising column of black smoke, and then debris fragments raining down and landing near the two cameras six to nine seconds after the impact.4

The second Pentagon camera had an unobstructed view, and has one frame which appears to show a plane near the right edge of the frame, and appears to have the same white smoke trail that is seen in the 5-frame sequence. In a way similar to the identical first (5-frames) camera, the recordings from this second camera yielded a low resolution image of distant objects due in part to their wide-angle lenses, so the images do not make clear what is revealed by the second camera’s frames either. But what does appear in the crucial frame from the second camera resembles a somewhat out-of-focus airliner, including the tail fin and trailing smoke as seen in the adjacent “5-frame” camera.

A blow up of a part of two frames from the second Pentagon surveillance camera.

As seen in the frames from both cameras and as noted here, there was a large fireball explosion seen in several frames as would be produced by atomized jet fuel. This fireball closely resembled the jet fuel fireballs seen at the WTC.

WTC 2 Pentagon WTC 2

The preponderance of eyewitness and physical evidence points to a plane, specifically a silver plane, which produced that fireball seen in footage from both cameras, and seen by hundreds of witnesses.

One of the first of the five frames shows a fuzzy dark shape resembling a plane tail fin projecting upwards above and behind the top of a post in the foreground that obscures most of the approaching object itself.

Frame from the first Pentagon surveillance camera (detail)

In the next frame, the fuzzy tail fin is gone, and a fireball is seen erupting from the side of the Pentagon building.

A computer graphic simulation by Mike Wilson,5 illustrating a 757-sized plane impact approaching and impacting the Pentagon, incorporates the one crucial frame of the 5-frame sequence and clearly illustrates how a 757 would be almost completely obscured by the post, except for the tail.

Computer graphic simulation of a frame from the first camera

A few researchers have questioned the five frames as doctored, staged and/or fraudulent, but there is no evidence for such fraud.

Further analysis of the frames from the two on-site surveillance cameras, and in particular of their common multiplexer and recorder system, may eventually provide additional evidence.

Why was the plane trailing white smoke?

The trailing white smoke has been interpreted in at least four different ways:

1. As smoke from a missile’s rocket engine exhaust.
2. As atomized fuel venting from wing fuel tank damage caused by collisions of the wings with one or more of the five light poles.
3. As the result of engine damage from a lamp housing of a streetlight hit by the plane’s wing, being ingested by the right engine of the plane.
4. As smoke generated by tree branches and leaves ingested and burned by the right engine of a large plane. (This tree appears in the two images below.)

The author favors explanation #4 as the most likely source of the white smoke, in part because the top of a tree with sheared branches appears to be very closely aligned with the right engine of the incoming plane.

Any of the last three interpretations are consistent with the large plane theory.

Conclusion

Since 2006, researchers have had all the frames of interest from both of the two surveillance cameras with the best useful information about the Pentagon event. Unfortunately, both sets of camera images are low resolution, and so what is seen is inconclusive. But what can be concluded with confidence is that the footage from both cameras is consistent with the large plane impact theory. Perhaps most significantly, one camera seems to show an unobstructed, but low-resolution view of the rapidly approaching plane.

Acknowledgments

This paper was adapted and expanded from a section of a new paper by Victoria Ashley, David Chandler, Jonathan H. Cole, Jim Hoffman, Ken Jenkins, Frank Legge, and John D. Wyndham published here: Scientific Method 9/11. Additional editing assistance by Paul Rea. Thank you all for your help.

Footnotes

[1] FBI Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire was tasked with responding to the 2004 Judicial Watch FIOA request, made on behalf of Scott Bingham, regarding the surveillance camera recordings the FBI gathered in the Pentagon area after 9/11.

Ms. Maguire’s specific responses are in quotes in the following text.

The FBI said they identified 85 video recordings that might show the plane impact into the Pentagon, but this number was the result of an initial search that included (for example) all videos obtained by the Washington Field Office.

From that starting point, the numbers of useful recordings regarding the Pentagon event begin to fall dramatically:

• Very nearly 2/3rds of the 85 recordings, specifically 56 “of these video recordings did not show either the Pentagon building, the Pentagon crash site, or the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11.”
• Of the remaining 29 video recordings, 16 did show some part of the Pentagon, but “did not show the Pentagon crash site and did not show the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon.”
• Of the 13 remaining recordings, 11 “only showed the Pentagon after the impact of Flight 77.” An example is the video that was released from the Doubletree Hotel. That camera was initially pointed away from the Pentagon, then repositioned minutes after the crash to point towards the smoke cloud rising from the Pentagon crash site.
• The two remaining recordings, from the Pentagon’s two security cameras both clearly showed the Pentagon impact fireball. One of those two recordings seems to show only the fin of the plane, due to a foreground obstruction. The other recording seems to show the entire plane, but also at low resolution.

2 Military Daily News

3 May 16, 2006, CNN – Anderson Cooper “Keeping Them Honest”

4 9-11 Research: Two Pentagon Videos

5 Integrated Consultants, Inc.,

Additional links

http://911myths.com/index.php/FBI_hides_84_Pentagon_videos

Flight77.info - 85 videos

9/11 Pentagon Attack Footage Flight 77, 2012, analysis of the 2nd camera .

Addendum

Date/Time overlay from 5-frames released in March 2002

The 5-frame sequence as released in 2002 had a date/time stamp added, with the date 9/12/2001, along with the word “plane” in the first frame, and “impact” in the second and following frames (the frames with the fireball).

Some have thought that the added date being off by a day and the wrong time was suspicious and might reveal fraud, but the 2006 release of 200 frames without the date/time stamps revealed that the date/time overlays in the frames released in 2002 were not added in real time or burned into the video, but were added later, specifically on Sept 12th.

We now have confirmation that the date/time and descriptive text were added the following day, on 9/12/2001. We know this from a November 9, 2006 interview with Brian Austin and Steve Pennington, who both worked on and with the Pentagon surveillance cameras. Pennington extracted those frames on 9/12/2001 as requested by FBI officials. Pennington added the descriptions “plane” and “impact”. Pennington said:

“Unfortunately, the software had a bug in it, and when a still image was saved, it captured the time in the computer at the time you were capturing the image or saving the image from the video to become a still picture…. That [bug] has long since been corrected, but that is the reason that the time and date are wrong.”

This detailed interview informs us about much more than the source of the date error, such as the purpose of the two surveillance cameras in question, and why they were aimed as they were. There is also mention of why there were not images from other cameras – for example, several cameras were destroyed by the plane impact. Besides other cameras, they discuss the recorders, what CD-ROM copies were made and for who, the recording frame rate and why it was so slow (1 fps), the backup recordings made onto DAT media, and other details.

The bottom line is that this interview helps confirm the legitimacy of the two Pentagon surveillance cameras and the frames from them that were leaked in 2002 and formally released in 2006. It follows the chain of evidence from the FBI, who released the frames to the public, back to the actual two people who pulled those frames off the recorder that contained the desired image data from both cameras – including frames of the plane and of the fireball that resulted from plane’s impact into the side of the Pentagon.

Thus there is little reason to doubt the legitimacy of the surveillance camera frame that shows the blurry plane rapidly approaching the Pentagon a fraction of a second before impact.

The full interview with Brian Austin and Steve Pennington can be found here: http://history.defense.gov/Portals/70/Documents/oral_history/OH_Trans_AustinBrian Steve Pennington111-9-2006.pdf

this post so much took the shills and trolls here to school that 9/11 was an inside job.

 

[rightwinger]

Cameras at the Pentagon were made to pick up intruders, not an airplane traveling at close to 500 mph

Irrelevant since it is obvious a plane hit the Pentagon

The plane was tracked on radar up till it hit the Pentagon, both aircraft and human remains were recovered on site. Tracked to both Flight 77 and it’s passengers

And Dick Cheney orchestrated it, or at least allowed it to happen.
"Does the order still stand sir ?"
"Of course the order still stands."

Which means?

Um.......nothing

 

[rightwinger]

Cameras at the Pentagon were made to pick up intruders, not an airplane traveling at close to 500 mph

Irrelevant since it is obvious a plane hit the Pentagon

The plane was tracked on radar up till it hit the Pentagon, both aircraft and human remains were recovered on site. Tracked to both Flight 77 and it’s passengers

And Dick Cheney orchestrated it, or at least allowed it to happen.
"Does the order still stand sir ?"
"Of course the order still stands."

Wonder what kind of evade mode Langley agent Rightwinger will use.they NEVER have any answers for these pesky facts.

I have an answer to all of your concerns about 9-11

Most of them start........You are such a fucking moron

 

[LA RAM FAN]

What we know

A jet airline flew into each tower at high speed
Those airlines smashed huge hole in the building and created massive fires
People caught in the buildings were so terrified of the fires that they jumped rather than face the fires

Damage and intense fires caused TWO equally designed towers under identical circumstances to collapse


Prove anything else caused the collapse

Lawyers' Committee 'Names Names' in New 9/11 Grand Jury Filing

9/11: Finally the Truth Comes Out?

Ongoing trial at Guantanamo also.
Trial for Men Accused of Plotting 9/11 Attacks Is Set for 2021

Unfortunatly I dont think anything will come out of those trials. our court system is so corruptJudges are corrupt,lawyers are corrupt and they all get bought off and know that if they question the governments version of events or bring forth facts that dont go along with their version of events,if they are lucky they only lose their jobs,while the unlucky are murdered off.

Its too bad we live in a world of money.If there was no such thing as money,then the truth would never have been covered up and this tragedy would never have been carried out.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Questions still remain about Pearl Harbor too

You mean was FDR warned the Japs were coming and let it happen anyway ?

Yep.

yeah 9/11 same blueprint of the japenese attack where FDR was warned of the oncoming attacks and covered them up diespite what our agent resident troll camp likes to get everyone to believe.LOL

 

[LA RAM FAN]

9-11 Truthers Alternative Reality

While being constructed, the WTC towers and Building 7 were wired with thermite waiting for the day when terrorists would hijack planes and fly them into the towers

OK 9-11 Truthers

Is this your explanation or not?

Personally? No.

My only position is that the governments story is bullshit.

Burden of proof is on you

If you claim a controlled demo, you must concede the idiocy of your scenario

WTC was wired for a controlled demo just in case someone flew planes into the buildings

YOUR theory.....defend it

NO IT IS NOT!

The burden of proof is on YOU to support the governments theory. YOU CAN'T.

You are asking me to support a theory which I do not support, to prove something I do not believe.

I have told you multiple times, I DO NOT KNOW what happened.

I only know what did NOT happen.

I have no theory. Thus, I do not have to prove anything.



I debated every year in high school, and for two years on a Big Ten College team. Do not tell me how debate happen, or how burden of proof works.

Wow, you are incredibly stupid if you think that is how this works.

STOP with the strawman already.

I Cant believe you even STILL bother with agent rightwinger all these years later.

you of all people should KNOW he doesnt REALLY believe all the BS he posts or was that just for the benefit of new posters that dont know him as you and i do?

 

[the other mike]

Which means?

Um.......nothing

It makes you an accomplice
for helping in the ongoing cover-up.