Massive Danish study: Mask do little against covid

[Eric Arthur Blair]

It is NOT the Danish Medical Society who funded the study, but a SUPERMARKET foundation, The Salling Foundations, that funded it, IDIOT!!!!!

I didn't claim the Danish Medical Society did fund this study....asshole!
Put your bottle down.

 

[Andylusion]

My favorite part of the article

It appears that the study's authors had to twist their tongues in order to get this study published by noting that "the estimates were imprecise and statistically compatible with an effect ranging from a 46% decrease to a 23% increase in infection." They of course had to concede that their study doesn't definitely rule out the idea that masks could be effective!

further it says

the researchers cautioned that their findings "should not be used to conclude that a recommendation for everyone to wear masks in the community would not be effective in reducing [COVID-19] infections, because the trial did not test the role of masks in source control of [COVID-19] infection.


well one thing is certain, if you wear no mask you will get infected. Is the survey saying that front line doctors and nurses do not stand a chance when treating patients with COVID-19 when wearing masks?

I would love to find out why these 3 organization did not want anything to do with the Danish study.

it could be that they didn't buy into the methodology or whether it was peer reviewed. It is know that many mask on the market are not medical grade masks. They are cheap mask that do not work as well as medical grade masks. People do not wear mask 24/7.

The question is could it be worse and is the mask part of a plan which includes other things.

See, this is the strange aspect of your position.

Do tell... what possible reason would they have for concluding masks are not a benefit? You seem to be implying they were 'trying to twist' the results.

Why would they do this?

I know why they would have motivations to find masks were effective. The companies making billions selling these things obviously have a reason to pay for favorable results.

Governments have obviously backed the idea of taking away freedoms and forcing people to wear masks. Biden supporters even want him to violate the constitution to put in a mask mandate, threading freedom and limited government that isn't run by a dictator.

So we know why they would want to find a reason to claim masks are effective.

What possible benefit.... other than... oh I don't know... actual science in trying to find real effective methods of controlling the virus, and not wasting resources on masks that do nothing........ Other than that motivation.... what reason do you think they would have to find masks are not effective?

You do know that research done years ago showed that masks were not particularly effective, right? This isn't the first study to find this.

the researchers cautioned that their findings "should not be used to conclude that a recommendation for everyone to wear masks in the community would not be effective in reducing [COVID-19] infections,

what part of that statement taken from the article do you not understand.
They just contradicted their own study.

should not

conclude that

wear mask

would not be effective in reducing infections.

3 organizations refused to publish it

This study is just to feed the "No mask for Me" crowd.

What part of the actual data are you not able to understand?

Here's the problem. The people who are pushing masks, are the ones who need to provide evidence they work.

The very fact this research could not find evidence that they were all that beneficial, is proof enough to question the 'divine wisdom' that masks are so helpful.

You people on the left-wing, demanding the right to deny freedom of choice to everyone around you, even while harming them..... you need to provide the proof that masks work. Not us. We don't need to provide proof they don't, because we're not trying to force masks on others.

Do you understand that basic logic? I'm not being sarcastic.

We're not trying to dictate anything on you. So we don't need to prove anything to you.

You are trying to dictate to us. You are trying to force others, to obey your dictations.

So it's on you to provide absolute concrete proof that they work, and so far there isn't any evidence they work at all.

More than 900 Mayo Clinic staff members diagnosed with Covid-19 in Midwest over two weeks | CNN

More than 900 staff members across the Midwest Mayo Clinic system have been diagnosed with Covid-19 over the last 14 days, a spokesperson told CNN.

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Do you even want to attempt to claim that all the Mayo Clinic staff were not wearing masks? Or not following any of the social distancing rules?

Or maybe the masks are not all that effective, just like how the Danish research couldn't find any conclusive evidence they were all that effective?

You do know there are actually quite a few other research papers that showed they were not all that effective, right?

Well they did not suggest masks in the beginning and that is known

Does mask work in the hospital setting with doctors and nurses using them?

Mask are just part of the response. yes low level masks do not provide optimal protection that is already known. It one of several suggestions to help people and gives them some control in the face of adversity. It is about using other strategies also. It's about knowing how to use it and what they did.

Here is what they did

Among 6,000 participants in Denmark, half were told to wear masks and half were not. The researchers found 42 of the participants who were told to wear masks contracted COVID-19, while 53 in the control group got the disease.

simple but does not take into account what they did. No one wears mask all the time. People at home do not wear masks. Family member and relatives float in and out. I see people at work they wear the mask but at times they pull it down because its to much for them.

We do not know what they did.

here is the deal if you do not wear a mask you will get the disease. Wearing the mask might give you an edge.

There may not be any significant statistical difference and that is their point.

But if at least half of 6,000 participants which is about 3,000 wore masks and only 42 contacted the disease. Something is fishy in Denmark. It seems a lot who wore masks did not get the disease. But by comparing the one who got the disease who wore a mask and compare it to the ones who did not wear a mask. 42 to 56. That is there opinion that it is not statistically significant. An argument to give to the rabble who do not wish to wear a mask by saying there is minimal differences between the two

Yet there was a difference of 14 people It is not numbers it is people. So what is important people or statistics? It is about the spread. It is not about a high percentage survives. 250,000 deaths and yeah statistically when looking at the total number of infection it is minimal.

Mask worn by the general public has to be in conjunction with other variables. I see people wearing mask and that mask is dirty. They wear it over and over which you should not do.

I see smokers buying a pack of cigarettes wearing their mask.

Its not just about contacting the virus but it also is about spreading the virus to others. Something the study did not address.

Trump's white house with the president and his wife and son contracting the disease. Even his son contracted it. Also other people in his surroundings. They did not wear mask because the head of the family refused to. Yet when he went to the hospital where people were being treated by COVID 19 he wore a mask.

If mask do not matter why would he wear a mask in that setting

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are you saying that Trump did something that was useless?

Trump has done hundreds of things that were useless..... as all politicians do, in order to gain political points.
Kind of a dumb question.

simple but does not take into account what they did. No one wears mask all the time. People at home do not wear masks. Family member and relatives float in and out. I see people at work they wear the mask but at times they pull it down because its to much for them.

Which is like real life. If they forced the people in the study to wear a mask 24/7, that would invalidate the study, because that isn't how people are in real life.

They wore them, like any normal person would wear them.

Proving that a mask could be effective by using them in a way that no human being on the planet would use them.... would make the results irrelevant to real life.

What would be the point of that?

"we already know you'll never wear masks in an effective manor.... but we're still going to mandate it, knowing no one is going to gain any benefit."

That's stupid. Do you not see that this is stupid? If the only way you can get masks to be effective, is to use them in a way, that no human being on the face of the Earth is going to use them....... then this is a waste time requiring masks.

Yet there was a difference of 14 people It is not numbers it is people.

Which is within the margin of error. Meaning that you have no idea what person is, or is not going to come into contact with Covid-19.

What if.... the difference between the control group, and the test group, was simply the fact that 14 fewer people came into contact with Covid-19?

I see people wearing mask and that mask is dirty. They wear it over and over which you should not do.

But see, again, that makes my point. Making mandates, that result in no benefit, are pointless.

People are not going to wear a new mask every day. Never going to happen. Does not matter what rules you put in place, or how much you scream and yell, or what mandate Biden blathers on about.

Not going to happen. I'm not spending my money on new masks. I'm do not have hundreds of dollars to buy new masks. Nor am I going to wash my mask every day, or even every week. Nor is anyone else.

So my whole point is, you just yourself admitted that no one is doing all these things you claim are required for Masks to be effective......

So.... why have a mask mandate, when you already know they won't be effective?

 

[WinterBorn]

If I recall the article, they found that the masks didn't protect you from covid, but protects others if you have it. As I have pointed out numerous times, wear a mask for a little bit and feel how much moisture it traps.

 

[Andylusion]

Wearing a mask in public spaces keeps higher risk people safer from getting the virus from you. It's a small inconvenience while we wait for the vaccine. It may not be 100% effective but if it makes it harder for the virus to spread to someone that could really suffer from the virus then i'll wear a mask. I know too many people that are either high risk or have family members that are high risk to be casual with their safety when i'm around them.

There is no evidence that it keeps higher risk, or lower risk, or any risk people from getting the virus from me, or you or anyone.

What evidence do you have? Where are these scientific peer-reviewed papers showing the evidence that they help?

Where is all this proof you have? I see far too many people batting around these claims, never any evidence.

Aerosol filtering efficiency of respiratory face masks used during the COVID-19 pandemic

The spread of the COVID-19 pandemic, effected the imposition of personal protection measures in a large number of countries. The use of commercially available personal face masks was widely accepted as such a protective measure. Since the quality of the face masks scanned the spectrum from...

www.medrxiv.org

Evidence. Actual detailed scientific data, showing cloths masks are not effective at any level.

Where is your evidence? The CDC which has no actual data, but says they are?

Mask Facts - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

curated by Marilyn M. Singleton, M.D., J.D. – http://marilynsingletonmdjd.com/ Updated September 26, 2020 Introduction COVID-19 is as politically-charged as it is infectious. Early in the COVID-19 pandemic, the WHO, the CDC and NIH’s Dr. Anthony […]

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Early in the COVID-19 pandemic, the WHO, the CDC and NIH’s Dr. Anthony Fauci discouraged wearing masks as not useful for non-health care workers. Now they recommend wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are hard to do (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies). The recommendation was published without a single scientific paper or other information provided to support that cloth masks actually provide any respiratory protection. Let’s look at the data.​

All the cloth masks and materials had near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm, a particle size that easily penetrates into the lung (SARS-CoV-2 is 0.125 µm)

Conclusion: Wearing masks (other than N95) will not be effective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as PPE.

• N95s protect health care workers, but are not recommended for source control transmission.
• Surgical masks are better than cloth but not very efficient at preventing emissions from infected patients. Cloth masks must be 3 layers, plus adding static electricity by rubbing with rubber glove.
• The cloth that serves as the filtration for the mask is meant to trap particles being breathed in and out. But it also serves as a barrier to air movement because it forces the air to take the path of least resistance, resulting in the aerosols going in and out at the sides of the mask.

Again.... scientific data.... real scientific data and analysis.

Not someone said "This is to protect others from getting infected by you!".... no, none of that "they said, she said, he said...."

DATA..... Give me your data, that supports your claim.

I've given you mine... and I have more. I have about three more research papers that came to similar conclusions.

Where is your data? Where? No one has any evidence, but everyone seems to keep repeating it.

 

[Andylusion]

If I recall the article, they found that the masks didn't protect you from covid, but protects others if you have it. As I have pointed out numerous times, wear a mask for a little bit and feel how much moisture it traps.

Wear some sunglasses, and see how your glasses fog up while wearing a mask.

Take those sunglasses off, and tell me where the moisture that is no longer fogging up your glasses... where is it going?

It's not trapping moisture. The cloth is cooler than your breath, which results in water condensing on it.

But but that little bit of water on the mask, is a tiny fraction of the moisture droplets you are releasing by breathing.

And I can prove that by simply having you wear sunglasses, and watching them fog up.

 

[WinterBorn]

If I recall the article, they found that the masks didn't protect you from covid, but protects others if you have it. As I have pointed out numerous times, wear a mask for a little bit and feel how much moisture it traps.

Wear some sunglasses, and see how your glasses fog up while wearing a mask.

Take those sunglasses off, and tell me where the moisture that is no longer fogging up your glasses... where is it going?

It's not trapping moisture. The cloth is cooler than your breath, which results in water condensing on it.

But but that little bit of water on the mask, is a tiny fraction of the moisture droplets you are releasing by breathing.

And I can prove that by simply having you wear sunglasses, and watching them fog up.

It is NOT condensation. And the moisture on the glasses evaporates.

I wear glasses. If I don't wear the mask right, I fog my glasses. But the moisture inside the mask is being trapped.

 

[Andylusion]

If I recall the article, they found that the masks didn't protect you from covid, but protects others if you have it. As I have pointed out numerous times, wear a mask for a little bit and feel how much moisture it traps.

Wear some sunglasses, and see how your glasses fog up while wearing a mask.

Take those sunglasses off, and tell me where the moisture that is no longer fogging up your glasses... where is it going?

It's not trapping moisture. The cloth is cooler than your breath, which results in water condensing on it.

But but that little bit of water on the mask, is a tiny fraction of the moisture droplets you are releasing by breathing.

And I can prove that by simply having you wear sunglasses, and watching them fog up.

It is NOT condensation. And the moisture on the glasses evaporates.

I wear glasses. If I don't wear the mask right, I fog my glasses. But the moisture inside the mask is being trapped.

I haven't met anyone anywhere, that while wearing a typical mask, doesn't have their glasses fog up.

There are thousands of posts on this, all over the internet.

All over the place.

If your glasses fog up, then the moisture from breathing, is reaching the glasses. If the moisture from breathing can reach the glasses, then it is not "trapped by the mask".

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I haven't met anyone anywhere, that while wearing a typical mask, doesn't have their glasses fog up.

I suddenly find myself wondering how many injuries and possibly even deaths, have happened during the #CoronaHoax2020 due to impaired vision, from fogged up glasses, because of masks?

 

[Andylusion]

I haven't met anyone anywhere, that while wearing a typical mask, doesn't have their glasses fog up.

I suddenly find myself wondering how many injuries and possibly even deaths, have happened during the #CoronaHoax2020 due to impaired vision, from fogged up glasses, because of masks?

Of course the answer is zero.

The point was simply that the fact so many people were having this problem, proves that masks were not preventing moisture from escaping into the environment.

And that of course, carried Covid-19. Which is why, contrary to claims, we have seen no reduction in the spread of Covid after passing mask mandates.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I haven't met anyone anywhere, that while wearing a typical mask, doesn't have their glasses fog up.

I suddenly find myself wondering how many injuries and possibly even deaths, have happened during the #CoronaHoax2020 due to impaired vision, from fogged up glasses, because of masks?

Of course the answer is zero.

The point was simply that the fact so many people were having this problem, proves that masks were not preventing moisture from escaping into the environment.

And that of course, carried Covid-19. Which is why, contrary to claims, we have seen no reduction in the spread of Covid after passing mask mandates.

We’ve actually seen spikes in transmission since masks became ubiquitous. I would suggest that the false sense of security created by mask-wearing is actually making things worse, not better.

 

[WinterBorn]

If I recall the article, they found that the masks didn't protect you from covid, but protects others if you have it. As I have pointed out numerous times, wear a mask for a little bit and feel how much moisture it traps.

Wear some sunglasses, and see how your glasses fog up while wearing a mask.

Take those sunglasses off, and tell me where the moisture that is no longer fogging up your glasses... where is it going?

It's not trapping moisture. The cloth is cooler than your breath, which results in water condensing on it.

But but that little bit of water on the mask, is a tiny fraction of the moisture droplets you are releasing by breathing.

And I can prove that by simply having you wear sunglasses, and watching them fog up.

It is NOT condensation. And the moisture on the glasses evaporates.

I wear glasses. If I don't wear the mask right, I fog my glasses. But the moisture inside the mask is being trapped.

I haven't met anyone anywhere, that while wearing a typical mask, doesn't have their glasses fog up.

There are thousands of posts on this, all over the internet.

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All over the place.

If your glasses fog up, then the moisture from breathing, is reaching the glasses. If the moisture from breathing can reach the glasses, then it is not "trapped by the mask".

I wear my mask a little higher and my glasses a little lower. No fogging on my glasses.

 

[Andylusion]

I haven't met anyone anywhere, that while wearing a typical mask, doesn't have their glasses fog up.

I suddenly find myself wondering how many injuries and possibly even deaths, have happened during the #CoronaHoax2020 due to impaired vision, from fogged up glasses, because of masks?

Of course the answer is zero.

The point was simply that the fact so many people were having this problem, proves that masks were not preventing moisture from escaping into the environment.

And that of course, carried Covid-19. Which is why, contrary to claims, we have seen no reduction in the spread of Covid after passing mask mandates.

We’ve actually seen spikes in transmission since masks became ubiquitous. I would suggest that the false sense of security created by mask-wearing is actually making things worse, not better.

Yeah If I find that other research paper again, they actually found that those wearing cloth masks had a higher rate of infection, than those with no masks at all.

Now again, as all research suggests, there is some protection from specifically N95 masks. But even those, the reduction in transmission was only slightly mitigated.

But cloths masks I'm convinced, have no benefit whatsoever.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I suddenly find myself wondering how many injuries and possibly even deaths, have happened during the #CoronaHoax2020 due to impaired vision, from fogged up glasses, because of masks?

Of course the answer is zero.

Zero? I doubt that, very much. The number might be very small, but I do not see how it can possibly be zero.

There are two undeniable facts in play, here…

1. Impaired vision can be dangerous, in some circumstances, leading to an increased risk of accidents that may cause injury or death.
   
   
2. The use of these masks, in some cases, results directly in impaired vision.

It stands to reason that there must be some accidents, resulting in injury or death, that have taken place because of impaired vision, due to glasses or protective eyewear fogging as a result of the use of these masks.