Maturing into Conservatism

[DGS49]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

 

[BlackFlag]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

Aren’t you a Trump cheerleader? That’s not conservative.

 

[edthecynic]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

 

[iceberg]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

Aren’t you a Trump cheerleader? That’s not conservative.

no. but i think you're king moron, and that's the truth.

 

[HappyJoy]

Actually each successive generation is less conservative than the previous. For example, baby-boomers views on gay marriage are not as approving as gen x, which is not as approving as millennials. Millennials throughout their span are not going to regress back to gen x on the issue.

 

[iceberg]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

yea, bette and hollywood never attacked anyone. if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. trouble is i know too many who love to dish it out and cry like a bitch when it comes back there way. most of hollywood fits this.

get the hell off it.

 

[edthecynic]

Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

Nothing pathological liar Russia Limbaugh says makes "sense," so only another mindless pathological liar is born.

 

[iceberg]

Actually each successive generation is less conservative than the previous. For example, baby-boomers views on gay marriage are not as approving as gen x, which is not as approving as millennials. Millennials throughout their span are not going to regress back to gen x on the issue.

not really. it's just what is considered conservative changes over time. has nothing to do with a current generation but everything to do with life itself.

 

[boilermaker55]

Continue to piss your pants as always.
QUOTATION: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

ATTRIBUTION: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato,
Or this one?

"The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have
no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all
restraint. They talk as if they alone knew everything and what passes
for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for girls, they are
forward, immodest and unwomanly in speech, behaviour and dress."

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

 

[Moonglow]

Churchill also planned and ran the invasion of the Dardanelles and Gallipoli....We all know how well that turned out as a great plan.

 

[edthecynic]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

yea, bette and hollywood never attacked anyone. if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. trouble is i know too many who love to dish it out and cry like a bitch when it comes back there way. most of hollywood fits this.

get the hell off it.

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

 

[HappyJoy]

Actually each successive generation is less conservative than the previous. For example, baby-boomers views on gay marriage are not as approving as gen x, which is not as approving as millennials. Millennials throughout their span are not going to regress back to gen x on the issue.

not really. it's just what is considered conservative changes over time. has nothing to do with a current generation but everything to do with life itself.

You can call it what you like, point being each successive generation holds more liberal views, at least on social issues. If you want to make the point that conservatives just change what they think conservatism is that's fine, my point still stands.

 

[22lcidw]

Actually each successive generation is less conservative than the previous. For example, baby-boomers views on gay marriage are not as approving as gen x, which is not as approving as millennials. Millennials throughout their span are not going to regress back to gen x on the issue.

As long as there is food on the table and a roof over their head and the things they do relatively affordable.

 

[Moonglow]

Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

and another drug abuser is caught with fake scripts and borrowed pills from a "friend". Yeah you go conservatives, you go right out that door and don't turn around.

 

[HappyJoy]

Actually each successive generation is less conservative than the previous. For example, baby-boomers views on gay marriage are not as approving as gen x, which is not as approving as millennials. Millennials throughout their span are not going to regress back to gen x on the issue.

As long as there is food on the table and a roof over their head and the things they do relatively affordable.

Nothing to do with my post, but thanks.

 

[boilermaker55]

Your conservative values at work.
He gave a sexual predator a sweet deal. Alex Acosta is not fit to be attorney general.
By Miami Herald Editorial Board


Read more here: He gave a sexual predator a sweet deal. Alex Acosta is not fit to be attorney general.

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Read more here: Calls grow for Acosta to resign as Epstein’s sex abuse victims demand justice

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

 

[anynameyouwish]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

I'm 67 and support gay rights, gay marriage, legal pot, a SECULAR government, NO religious indoctrination in public schools and legal prostitution.

because I am mature!


If you oppose these as most conservatives do then you are NOT mature.....

 

[Third Party]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

I'm 67 and support gay rights, gay marriage, legal pot, a SECULAR government, NO religious indoctrination in public schools and legal prostitution.

because I am mature!


If you oppose these as most conservatives do then you are NOT mature.....

Faulty logic. Those beliefs do not make one mature. And being mature does not make one conservative. As we all mature, we may choose to go left, right, or middle.

 

[depotoo]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

1986

By 1986 the saying had implausibly moved to the lips of Winston Churchill as indicated by the following excerpt from the “The Hartford Courant” of Hartford, Connecticut: 17

Winston S. Churchill supposedly once observed that anyone who was not a liberal at 20 years of age had no heart, while anyone who was still a liberal at 40 had no head. If there’s any truth to the observation, one wonders what to make of today’s college student

 

[occupied]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

I seriously doubt that these millennial liberals will turn into conservatives but not because of any of your pessimistic reasons. What you call conservatism has become nothing but a 20th century nostalgia cult that demonizes young America worse than they did when they were all scared of hippies. They have been shut out of every conservative policy discussion and told to sit down and shut up. There will be a price for treating them so badly and exacerbating the problems they care about most.