Maturing into Conservatism

[Auld Phart]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

while they attack Bette Midler.

for what?

 

[depotoo]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

I seriously doubt that these millennial liberals will turn into conservatives but not because of any of your pessimistic reasons. What you call conservatism has become nothing but a 20th century nostalgia cult that demonizes young America worse than they did when they were all scared of hippies. They have been shut out of every conservative policy discussion and told to sit down and shut up. There will be a price for treating them so badly and exacerbating the problems they care about most.

Wow. Talk about some twisted fallacy, in that statement.

 

[Rambunctious]

Aren’t you a Trump cheerleader?

 

[rightwinger]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

Churchill never said that


But my case was the complete opposite. I was raised in a Conservative family. We supported the Vietnam War and President Nixon
I voted for Reagan and Bush four times, believed in the theory of trickle down and the abuses of welfare

By the 1990s, I saw what the Republican Party had become....petty and cruel.
They didn’t care about anyone. Survival of the fittest. The purpose of Government was to make things easier for the wealthy.

Voted Democrat at the national level ever since

 

[SAYIT]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

Count me among those who found truth and facts to be more compelling than emotion and yeah, there is certainly a battle raging over the hearts and minds of our children but the socio-political pendulum swings slowly and inexorably and seems to be swinging away from "progressive" ideology. Even as so many before them did, once those who have been inculcated into the leftist BORG - many bodies, one small mind - join the real world they still are faced with the same choices and realities we were. Have faith bro … they will learn.

 

[22lcidw]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

Churchill never said that


But my case was the complete opposite. I was raised in a Conservative family. We supported the Vietnam War and President Nixon
I voted for Reagan and Bush four times, believed in the theory of trickle down and the abuses of welfare

By the 1990s, I saw what the Republican Party had become....petty and cruel.
They didn’t care about anyone. Survival of the fittest. The purpose of Government was to make things easier for the wealthy.

Voted Democrat at the national level ever since

The trickle down and welfare abuse part is when you lost me. You type to be studious. You never flinch on Progressive Socialist Communist Policies and Agendas. Trickle down was one of the Prog agenda Pravda criticisms of Reagan's tax agenda and Abuse of welfare is a known thing. Not a questionable one. You forget all of the debts built up under LBJ that caused a malaise in the 1970's and the start up of the PC/Quotas in the early 1970's that denied white males good jobs. It was a privileged to be turned down for employment. A real privilege!

 

[occupied]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

I seriously doubt that these millennial liberals will turn into conservatives but not because of any of your pessimistic reasons. What you call conservatism has become nothing but a 20th century nostalgia cult that demonizes young America worse than they did when they were all scared of hippies. They have been shut out of every conservative policy discussion and told to sit down and shut up. There will be a price for treating them so badly and exacerbating the problems they care about most.

Wow. Talk about some twisted fallacy, in that statement.

It's the unvarnished truth that there is no place for anyone under 40 in what we call conservatism, at least that is how many younger people see it, and what they think is very important if you want there to still be a competitive republican party going forward. You people are not getting any younger, how are you going to replace your numbers?

 

[SAYIT]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

"Maybe someone in his camp can gently give him a shiv. I mean, shove." - Bette Midler

If you or I tweeted that we'd get a visit from the Secret Service and/or FBI.

 

[SAYIT]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

In your 40s your brain begins to shrink.

Coincidence?

I think not.

We only use a small portion of it anyway but aging usually (but not Rightwinger) imbues one with a store of knowledge and adult perspective.

 

[iceberg]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

Aren’t you a Trump cheerleader? That’s not conservative.

no. but i think you're king moron, and that's the truth.

And I think you’re retarded trash, but who’a asking?

hopefully anyone who can spell "who's".

 

[iceberg]

Your conservative values at work.
He gave a sexual predator a sweet deal. Alex Acosta is not fit to be attorney general.
By Miami Herald Editorial Board


Read more here: He gave a sexual predator a sweet deal. Alex Acosta is not fit to be attorney general.

Lawyers for victims who were sexually abused as minors by multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein have formally demanded that the government vacate Epstein’s plea deal, void his federal immunity and reopen his sex trafficking investigation, the Miami Herald has learned.

Read more here: Calls grow for Acosta to resign as Epstein’s sex abuse victims demand justice

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

heh - and muellers prize trump witness sexual adventures is what again?

 

[iceberg]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

yea, bette and hollywood never attacked anyone. if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. trouble is i know too many who love to dish it out and cry like a bitch when it comes back there way. most of hollywood fits this.

get the hell off it.

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

so does the left, arsewhipe.

 

[SAYIT]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

I seriously doubt that these millennial liberals will turn into conservatives but not because of any of your pessimistic reasons. What you call conservatism has become nothing but a 20th century nostalgia cult that demonizes young America worse than they did when they were all scared of hippies. They have been shut out of every conservative policy discussion and told to sit down and shut up. There will be a price for treating them so badly and exacerbating the problems they care about most.

Wow. Talk about some twisted fallacy, in that statement.

It's the unvarnished truth that there is no place for anyone under 40 in what we call conservatism, at least that is how many younger people see it, and what they think is very important if you want there to still be a competitive republican party going forward. You people are not getting any younger, how are you going to replace your numbers?

The boisterous #Resistance kids get the ink but most are apolitical and some are more mature than are many adults:

‘I’m Not the Only Young Conservative’
About 700 teenage conservatives visited the nation’s capital this week for a four-day leadership conference organized by Turning Point USA, a group founded in 2012 to promote activism skills among high school and college students and help young conservatives network with leaders in the movement.

 

[night_son]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

Great post. Indeed this is the cycle of the average human being; a cycle cycling for eons demonstrable by a history rife with such examples in every walk of life and aspect of mankind. In youth we seek to defy the establishment, which for most of us equates to our parents and their generational institutions. We seek to escape what seems to us in youth as the limited knowledge or ignorance or indoctrinating rituals of our fathers, go outside the box and learn the hard way for ourselves that each of us individually is not "smarter" than tens of thousands of years of gathered and processed human knowledge, something some might call wisdom. We graduate from high school with heads full of dreams of saving the world, of doing "it" like no one ever has before us in history. We go to college, we serve in the military--perhaps the Peace Corps or an equivalent program, and we revel in the originality of our own personal liberalism.

But then, years later for some, we return home both in mind and spirit if not also body, and with the realization of our own mortality and understanding of human history, we embrace personal responsibility and seek that wisdom of our forefathers, reborn or anointed anew in knowing our place in the word, and living as conservatives. We abandon the naïveté and immaturity of our youth for the ancient concepts of fundamental right and wrong. We raise families, become good tax paying citizens, serve our communities and our country and embrace the beauty of life and God.

For those few who never come "home" to the ethos of conservatism, life will always seem like something which must be defied, which is inherently out to get them, and at heart they will blame others for their misery and hate.

 

[rightwinger]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

Churchill never said that


But my case was the complete opposite. I was raised in a Conservative family. We supported the Vietnam War and President Nixon
I voted for Reagan and Bush four times, believed in the theory of trickle down and the abuses of welfare

By the 1990s, I saw what the Republican Party had become....petty and cruel.
They didn’t care about anyone. Survival of the fittest. The purpose of Government was to make things easier for the wealthy.

Voted Democrat at the national level ever since

The trickle down and welfare abuse part is when you lost me. You type to be studious. You never flinch on Progressive Socialist Communist Policies and Agendas. Trickle down was one of the Prog agenda Pravda criticisms of Reagan's tax agenda and Abuse of welfare is a known thing. Not a questionable one. You forget all of the debts built up under LBJ that caused a malaise in the 1970's and the start up of the PC/Quotas in the early 1970's that denied white males good jobs. It was a privileged to be turned down for employment. A real privilege!

Your response is all over the place and is a mix of misinformation and RW propaganda

 

[depotoo]

Under 40? You must hang with some pretty immature 30 somethings.

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

I seriously doubt that these millennial liberals will turn into conservatives but not because of any of your pessimistic reasons. What you call conservatism has become nothing but a 20th century nostalgia cult that demonizes young America worse than they did when they were all scared of hippies. They have been shut out of every conservative policy discussion and told to sit down and shut up. There will be a price for treating them so badly and exacerbating the problems they care about most.

Wow. Talk about some twisted fallacy, in that statement.

It's the unvarnished truth that there is no place for anyone under 40 in what we call conservatism, at least that is how many younger people see it, and what they think is very important if you want there to still be a competitive republican party going forward. You people are not getting any younger, how are you going to replace your numbers?

 

[occupied]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

I seriously doubt that these millennial liberals will turn into conservatives but not because of any of your pessimistic reasons. What you call conservatism has become nothing but a 20th century nostalgia cult that demonizes young America worse than they did when they were all scared of hippies. They have been shut out of every conservative policy discussion and told to sit down and shut up. There will be a price for treating them so badly and exacerbating the problems they care about most.

Wow. Talk about some twisted fallacy, in that statement.

It's the unvarnished truth that there is no place for anyone under 40 in what we call conservatism, at least that is how many younger people see it, and what they think is very important if you want there to still be a competitive republican party going forward. You people are not getting any younger, how are you going to replace your numbers?

The boisterous #Resistance kids get the ink but most are apolitical and some are more mature than are many adults:

‘I’m Not the Only Young Conservative’
About 700 teenage conservatives visited the nation’s capital this week for a four-day leadership conference organized by Turning Point USA, a group founded in 2012 to promote activism skills among high school and college students and help young conservatives network with leaders in the movement.

There are certainly young conservatives but even they are far more socially liberal than the old farts dictating what conservatism is and they are still not numerous enough.

 

[rightwinger]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

In your 40s your brain begins to shrink.

Coincidence?

I think not.

We only use a small portion of it anyway but aging usually (but not Rightwinger) imbues one with a store of knowledge and adult perspective.

Conservatives keep saying that as people age they will move towards conservatism

We are not seeing that. We are seeing aging conservatives who are white, male and Christian

Liberals dominate among the youth but they are not becoming conservatives as they enter the workforce. The 30-50 demographic still lean left

 

[depotoo]

People that begin to become productive, working, and purchasing, whether vehicles or homes, etc, wake up to the reality of taxes and what they do to their bottom line.

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

In your 40s your brain begins to shrink.

Coincidence?

I think not.

We only use a small portion of it anyway but aging usually (but not Rightwinger) imbues one with a store of knowledge and adult perspective.

Conservatives keep saying that as people age they will move towards conservatism

We are not seeing that. We are seeing aging conservatives who are white, male and Christian

Liberals dominate among the youth but they are not becoming conservatives as they enter the workforce. The 30-50 demographic still lean left

 

[boilermaker55]

Donald Trump: Billy Bush says infamous Access Hollywood 'grab them by the p***y' tape is real
Chew on that for a while.

Your conservative values at work.
He gave a sexual predator a sweet deal. Alex Acosta is not fit to be attorney general.
By Miami Herald Editorial Board


Read more here: He gave a sexual predator a sweet deal. Alex Acosta is not fit to be attorney general.

Lawyers for victims who were sexually abused as minors by multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein have formally demanded that the government vacate Epstein’s plea deal, void his federal immunity and reopen his sex trafficking investigation, the Miami Herald has learned.

Read more here: Calls grow for Acosta to resign as Epstein’s sex abuse victims demand justice

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

heh - and muellers prize trump witness sexual adventures is what again?