Maturing into Conservatism

[rightwinger]

It is not until age 69 that the percentage of Republicans moves above independents and liberals

 

[Moonglow]

It is not until age 69 that the percentage of Republicans moves above independents and liberals

I doubt I will at 69...

 

[edthecynic]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

while they attack Bette Midler.

for what?

A fake quote about Tramp.

 

[Moonglow]

People that begin to become productive, working, and purchasing, whether vehicles or homes, etc, wake up to the reality of taxes and what they do to their bottom line.

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

In your 40s your brain begins to shrink.

Coincidence?

I think not.

We only use a small portion of it anyway but aging usually (but not Rightwinger) imbues one with a store of knowledge and adult perspective.

Conservatives keep saying that as people age they will move towards conservatism

We are not seeing that. We are seeing aging conservatives who are white, male and Christian

Liberals dominate among the youth but they are not becoming conservatives as they enter the workforce. The 30-50 demographic still lean left

Look what being a mass consumer does to your life it over burdens it.

 

[edthecynic]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

yea, bette and hollywood never attacked anyone. if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. trouble is i know too many who love to dish it out and cry like a bitch when it comes back there way. most of hollywood fits this.

get the hell off it.

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

 

[occupied]

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People that begin to become productive, working, and purchasing, whether vehicles or homes, etc, wake up to the reality of taxes and what they do to their bottom line.

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

In your 40s your brain begins to shrink.

Coincidence?

I think not.

We only use a small portion of it anyway but aging usually (but not Rightwinger) imbues one with a store of knowledge and adult perspective.

Conservatives keep saying that as people age they will move towards conservatism

We are not seeing that. We are seeing aging conservatives who are white, male and Christian

Liberals dominate among the youth but they are not becoming conservatives as they enter the workforce. The 30-50 demographic still lean left

What we have now bears little resemblance to the Reagan led GOP that probably attracted you. It's mean and cynical and offers no hope for America. The Republican party refuses to face the future with honesty and courage or any new ideas at all, not an attractive thing for people who expect to live another 70-80 years.

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans tend to be older, white, male Christians

Unless they change that demographic, they are doomed

 

[occupied]

Republicans tend to be older, white, male Christians

Unless they change that demographic, they are doomed

They know this better than anyone. The thought of this coming apocalypse is driving them crazy, fertile ground for opportunistic con artists and police state fascists.

 

[SmokeALib]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

Drugged up kids on Ridalin makes leftist indoctrination via the socialist public education system more doable. Baby steps.

 

[Meister]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

yea, bette and hollywood never attacked anyone. if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. trouble is i know too many who love to dish it out and cry like a bitch when it comes back there way. most of hollywood fits this.

get the hell off it.

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Is the argument about the content of the quote or who really said it? Asking for a friend

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans tend to be older, white, male Christians

Unless they change that demographic, they are doomed

They know this better than anyone. The thought of this coming apocalypse is driving them crazy, fertile ground for opportunistic con artists and police state fascists.

That is why they are stocking the courts with young conservatives

Last bastion of conservatives

 

[rightwinger]

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

yea, bette and hollywood never attacked anyone. if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. trouble is i know too many who love to dish it out and cry like a bitch when it comes back there way. most of hollywood fits this.

get the hell off it.

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Is the argument about the content of the quote or who really said it? Asking for a friend

The argument is why do conservatives have to lie ?

 

[Meister]

yea, bette and hollywood never attacked anyone. if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. trouble is i know too many who love to dish it out and cry like a bitch when it comes back there way. most of hollywood fits this.

get the hell off it.

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Is the argument about the content of the quote or who really said it? Asking for a friend

The argument is why do conservatives have to lie ?

You didn't answer the question.
I bet you never lied, huh, RW?

 

[rightwinger]

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Is the argument about the content of the quote or who really said it? Asking for a friend

The argument is why do conservatives have to lie ?

You didn't answer the question.
I bet you never lied, huh, RW?

If you have valid content



Why the need to make up a source?

 

[candycorn]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

And you voted for and support someone who uses 3rd grade insults daily. Yeah, real mature.

 

[Tax Man]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

At 70 years of age I can not consider a conservative political candidate. I am still liberal in most everything I do and think. To me conservatism is the root of all problems.

 

[Meister]

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Is the argument about the content of the quote or who really said it? Asking for a friend

The argument is why do conservatives have to lie ?

You didn't answer the question.
I bet you never lied, huh, RW?

If you have valid content



Why the need to make up a source?

He didn't make it up. It's kinda like folklore that Churchill said it, probably didn't
but it wasn't made up by anyone on USMB.
Quotes Falsely Attributed to Winston Churchill - The International Churchill Society

 

[edthecynic]

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

yea, bette and hollywood never attacked anyone. if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. trouble is i know too many who love to dish it out and cry like a bitch when it comes back there way. most of hollywood fits this.

get the hell off it.

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Is the argument about the content of the quote or who really said it? Asking for a friend

Both.
It is a propaganda quote fabricated by CON$ervoFascists and then attributed to Churchill to give it an air of credibility which the Right knows it completely lacks.

 

[HappyJoy]

yea, bette and hollywood never attacked anyone. if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. trouble is i know too many who love to dish it out and cry like a bitch when it comes back there way. most of hollywood fits this.

get the hell off it.

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Is the argument about the content of the quote or who really said it? Asking for a friend

The argument is why do conservatives have to lie ?

Trust me, he knows.

 

[Meister]

yea, bette and hollywood never attacked anyone. if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. trouble is i know too many who love to dish it out and cry like a bitch when it comes back there way. most of hollywood fits this.

get the hell off it.

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Is the argument about the content of the quote or who really said it? Asking for a friend

Both.
It is a propaganda quote fabricated by CON$ervoFascists and then attributed to Churchill to give it an air of credibility which the Right knows it completely lacks.

Somebody said it....so the quote isn't fake.
It has been attributed to Churchill, but he probably didn't say...nobody knows for sure who said it.