Maturing into Conservatism

[edthecynic]

It's kinda like folklore that Churchill said it,

It is only "folklore" in the CON$ervoFascist echo chamber, where EVERYTHING is "folklore."

 

[edthecynic]

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Is the argument about the content of the quote or who really said it? Asking for a friend

Both.
It is a propaganda quote fabricated by CON$ervoFascists and then attributed to Churchill to give it an air of credibility which the Right knows it completely lacks.

Somebody said it....so the quote isn't fake.
It has been attributed to Churchill, but he probably didn't say...nobody knows for sure who said it.

It is a CON$ervoFascist FABRICATION with no data behind it so therefore it is a FAKE quote when attributed to Churchill who never said it.

 

[HappyJoy]

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Is the argument about the content of the quote or who really said it? Asking for a friend

Both.
It is a propaganda quote fabricated by CON$ervoFascists and then attributed to Churchill to give it an air of credibility which the Right knows it completely lacks.

Somebody said it....so the quote isn't fake.
It has been attributed to Churchill, but he probably didn't say...nobody knows for sure who said it.

Here is an example.

"You're an asshole"

Somebody said it so it's not fake.

 

[Meister]

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Is the argument about the content of the quote or who really said it? Asking for a friend

Both.
It is a propaganda quote fabricated by CON$ervoFascists and then attributed to Churchill to give it an air of credibility which the Right knows it completely lacks.

Somebody said it....so the quote isn't fake.
It has been attributed to Churchill, but he probably didn't say...nobody knows for sure who said it.

Here is an example.

"You're an asshole"

Somebody said it so it's not fake.

Feel better now that you said it? Want to move on showing some maturity on your behalf?

 

[iceberg]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it

He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.

yea, bette and hollywood never attacked anyone. if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. trouble is i know too many who love to dish it out and cry like a bitch when it comes back there way. most of hollywood fits this.

get the hell off it.

That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.

so does the left, arsewhipe.

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Bwahahahaha

 

[iceberg]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

And you voted for and support someone who uses 3rd grade insults daily. Yeah, real mature.

Name a conservative city worse than SF.

 

[HappyJoy]

Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.

Is the argument about the content of the quote or who really said it? Asking for a friend

Both.
It is a propaganda quote fabricated by CON$ervoFascists and then attributed to Churchill to give it an air of credibility which the Right knows it completely lacks.

Somebody said it....so the quote isn't fake.
It has been attributed to Churchill, but he probably didn't say...nobody knows for sure who said it.

Here is an example.

"You're an asshole"

Somebody said it so it's not fake.

Feel better now that you said it? Want to move on showing some maturity on your behalf?

I'm demonstrating your point. When you ascribe a quote to someone and they didn't say it, it's a fake quote, even if there are quotation marks around it.

"I obstructed justice" - Donald Trump

^Is that real or fake?

Stop carrying water for lies.

 

[Meister]

I can understand why the quote was attributed to Churchill. Seems a lot of people thought it was.
Quotes Falsely Attributed to Winston Churchill - The International Churchill Society

The question now is....was it an intentional and does that really have anything to do with the OP?

 

[HappyJoy]

I can understand why the quote was attributed to Churchill. Seems a lot of people thought it was.
Quotes Falsely Attributed to Winston Churchill - The International Churchill Society

The question now is....was it an intentional and does that really have anything to do with the OP?

It may not be intentional, it's fake anyway in the sense that now the quote doesn't carry the same amount of weight.

 

[Meister]

I can understand why the quote was attributed to Churchill. Seems a lot of people thought it was.
Quotes Falsely Attributed to Winston Churchill - The International Churchill Society

The question now is....was it an intentional and does that really have anything to do with the OP?

It may not be intentional, it's fake anyway in the sense that now the quote doesn't carry the same amount of weight.

To you it doesn't......it's an iconic statement from whoever said it. Been floating around the media for decades, so.......

 

[Crepitus]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

In your 40s your brain begins to shrink.

Coincidence?

I think not.

We only use a small portion of it anyway but aging usually (but not Rightwinger) imbues one with a store of knowledge and adult perspective.

That's a myth. We use all of our brain almost all the time.

How much of our brain do we actually use? Brain facts and myths

 

[Crepitus]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

In your 40s your brain begins to shrink.

Coincidence?

I think not.

We only use a small portion of it anyway but aging usually (but not Rightwinger) imbues one with a store of knowledge and adult perspective.

Conservatives keep saying that as people age they will move towards conservatism

We are not seeing that. We are seeing aging conservatives who are white, male and Christian

Liberals dominate among the youth but they are not becoming conservatives as they enter the workforce. The 30-50 demographic still lean left

Maybe it's conservatives who only use 10% of their brain?

 

[Tax Man]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

And you voted for and support someone who uses 3rd grade insults daily. Yeah, real mature.

Name a conservative city worse than SF.

Pick any city in the USA.

 

[HappyJoy]

I can understand why the quote was attributed to Churchill. Seems a lot of people thought it was.
Quotes Falsely Attributed to Winston Churchill - The International Churchill Society

The question now is....was it an intentional and does that really have anything to do with the OP?

It may not be intentional, it's fake anyway in the sense that now the quote doesn't carry the same amount of weight.

To you it doesn't......it's an iconic statement from whoever said it. Been floating around the media for decades, so.......

Iconic, or just old? It's 'been floating around the media for decades' only because who it was attributed to and that your wish is it's true.

 

[candycorn]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

And you voted for and support someone who uses 3rd grade insults daily. Yeah, real mature.

Name a conservative city worse than SF.

What cities would you call a “conservative city” with the same population and demographics?

 

[candycorn]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

And you voted for and support someone who uses 3rd grade insults daily. Yeah, real mature.

Name a conservative city worse than SF.

Well…we’re waiting.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

In your 40s your brain begins to shrink.

Coincidence?

I think not.

We only use a small portion of it anyway but aging usually (but not Rightwinger) imbues one with a store of knowledge and adult perspective.

Conservatives keep saying that as people age they will move towards conservatism

We are not seeing that. We are seeing aging conservatives who are white, male and Christian

Liberals dominate among the youth but they are not becoming conservatives as they enter the workforce. The 30-50 demographic still lean left

Maybe it's conservatives who only use 10% of their brain?

If that's all it takes to know math and economics, maybe the left should dumb down because they are to smart to comprehend they vote against their wallet in state and local .

 

[iceberg]

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:

• Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
• They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
• They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
• They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.

Other views?

And you voted for and support someone who uses 3rd grade insults daily. Yeah, real mature.

Name a conservative city worse than SF.

Well…we’re waiting.

So, no you can't.

 

[Wyatt earp]

It is not until age 69 that the percentage of Republicans moves above independents and liberals

More kids are living with their parents due to democrats high taxes, it's at a 75 year high.


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[Wyatt earp]

Republicans tend to be older, white, male Christians

Unless they change that demographic, they are doomed

We used to be younger, pot and coke heads, do you really think the 80's was a myth?


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