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Maturing into Conservatism

Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:
  • Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
  • They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
  • They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
  • They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.
Other views?


After reading your post, one doesn't mature into conservatism, rather they revert into childlike greed of give me its mine.

Says the person pushing for FREE college, FREE healthcare, FREE income....go figure.

All Republicans offer is FREE prison

You make like that's bad thing.
Ask any conservative...

We can’t afford healthcare, can’t afford education, can’t afford infrastructure

But they always find the money for more prisons
 
Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:
  • Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
  • They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
  • They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
  • They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.
Other views?


After reading your post, one doesn't mature into conservatism, rather they revert into childlike greed of give me its mine.

Says the person pushing for FREE college, FREE healthcare, FREE income....go figure.


Sure, make up a straw-man argument to try to hide your childlike greed.

Sure...must be every fricken looney liberal, except you.


Again with the childlike response.
 
Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:
  • Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
  • They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
  • They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
  • They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.
Other views?


After reading your post, one doesn't mature into conservatism, rather they revert into childlike greed of give me its mine.

Says the person pushing for FREE college, FREE healthcare, FREE income....go figure.

All Republicans offer is FREE prison

You make like that's bad thing.
Ask any conservative...

We can’t afford healthcare, can’t afford education, can’t afford infrastructure

But they always find the money for more prisons


They also find money for for corporate welfare.
 
After reading your post, one doesn't mature into conservatism, rather they revert into childlike greed of give me its mine.

Says the person pushing for FREE college, FREE healthcare, FREE income....go figure.

All Republicans offer is FREE prison

You make like that's bad thing.
Ask any conservative...

We can’t afford healthcare, can’t afford education, can’t afford infrastructure

But they always find the money for more prisons


They also find money for for corporate welfare.

Always money for a good war too

But money to help struggling families?
We can’t afford it
 
And you voted for and support someone who uses 3rd grade insults daily. Yeah, real mature.
Name a conservative city worse than SF.

Well…we’re waiting.
So, no you can't.

Still waiting for you to name a conservative city of the same demographics and population.
I’m guessing you can’t.
I'm guessing it wouldn't matter.

Your admission of defeat is accepted.
 
Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:
  • Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
  • They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
  • They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
  • They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.
Other views?


After reading your post, one doesn't mature into conservatism, rather they revert into childlike greed of give me its mine.

Says the person pushing for FREE college, FREE healthcare, FREE income....go figure.
uh,yea..
cxe06cznwr231.jpg
 
Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:
  • Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
  • They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
  • They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
  • They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.
Other views?


After reading your post, one doesn't mature into conservatism, rather they revert into childlike greed of give me its mine.

Says the person pushing for FREE college, FREE healthcare, FREE income....go figure.
uh,yea..
cxe06cznwr231.jpg


Way to confirm the reversion to child-like ignorance of conservative thought.
 
He definitely never said it, but that never stops the Right from parroting it, while they attack Bette Midler.
yea, bette and hollywood never attacked anyone. if you can't take it, then don't dish it out. trouble is i know too many who love to dish it out and cry like a bitch when it comes back there way. most of hollywood fits this.

get the hell off it.
That's not the point, pinhead!
The Right use fake quotes all the time but have a shit fit if anyone else dishes it back to them.
so does the left, arsewhipe.
Very rarely, whereas the vast majority of Right-wing "quotes" are fake, and nobody knows that better than you.
Bwahahahaha
Here is another Right-wing fake quote.
And another of my favorites....
"All that is required for evil Leftist to prevail, is for good men on the right to do ....nothing" (we've seen that in spades, eh?)

Edmund Burke
 
Republicans tend to be older, white, male Christians

Unless they change that demographic, they are doomed

We used to be younger, pot and coke heads, do you really think the 80's was a myth?


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Your base is eroding

And another takes our place, no matter how much you indoctrinate them and once the immigration is settled the Latinos will start voting conservative in numbers.


They mostly conservative Catholics ya know...


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Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:
  • Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
  • They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
  • They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
  • They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.
Other views?

And you voted for and support someone who uses 3rd grade insults daily. Yeah, real mature.
Name a conservative city worse than SF.
Can’t name a conservative city

Democrats Gerrymandering for over a 100 years..
 
Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:
  • Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
  • They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
  • They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
  • They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.
Other views?

I'm 67 and support gay rights, gay marriage, legal pot, a SECULAR government, NO religious indoctrination in public schools and legal prostitution.

because I am mature!


If you oppose these as most conservatives do then you are NOT mature.....
Truly mature people do not place such requirements upon others before considering them such.
 
Conservatives keep saying that as people age they will move towards conservatism. We are not seeing that. We are seeing aging conservatives who are white, male and Christian. Liberals dominate among the youth but they are not becoming conservatives as they enter the workforce. The 30-50 demographic still lean left
Maybe it's conservatives who only use 10% of their brain?
Maybe conservatives only need 10% of their brains to make leftards seem like whiny, sniveling, ignorant idiots.
 
Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:
  • Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
  • They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
  • They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
  • They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.
Other views?


After reading your post, one doesn't mature into conservatism, rather they revert into childlike greed of give me its mine.

Says the person pushing for FREE college, FREE healthcare, FREE income....go figure.
uh,yea..
cxe06cznwr231.jpg


Way to confirm the reversion to child-like ignorance of conservative thought.
my apologies... more appropriate:
LM8dpdC.jpg
 
Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:
  • Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
  • They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
  • They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
  • They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.
Other views?


After reading your post, one doesn't mature into conservatism, rather they revert into childlike greed of give me its mine.

Says the person pushing for FREE college, FREE healthcare, FREE income....go figure.
uh,yea..
cxe06cznwr231.jpg


Way to confirm the reversion to child-like ignorance of conservative thought.
my apologies... more appropriate:
LM8dpdC.jpg

Only a dumbass like you would think that's a good come back.


.
 
Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:
  • Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
  • They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
  • They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
  • They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.
Other views?

I'm 67 and support gay rights, gay marriage, legal pot, a SECULAR government, NO religious indoctrination in public schools and legal prostitution.

because I am mature!


If you oppose these as most conservatives do then you are NOT mature.....
Faulty logic. Those beliefs do not make one mature. And being mature does not make one conservative. As we all mature, we may choose to go left, right, or middle.

I'm reminded of all the hive mind leftists who try to claim that it is this very herd mentality that means they are smart (even as they deride their counterparts on the right for the same reason).

Perhaps I am just getting cantankerous in my old age, but as I have aged, I have divorced myself more and more from partisan politics.

Instead of going left, right or middle, I see myself as having gone up, instead.
 
Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that if you are not a "liberal" when you are young then you have no heart; if you are not a "conservative" when you are old, you have no brain. He probably never said it, at least using those terms, as they were not used in the contemporary way in England in his day, but the thought is much-believed among today's American Conservatives. It is also said that a "conservative" is a "liberal" who has been mugged.

So what's the point? In recent past generations, it was common, at least in the "educated" classes, for young men to be rather liberal when in college, and then as life's experiences begin to take hold (paying taxes, starting a family, raising kids), the influences of the Real World start to take effect, and the liberal views of criminal laws, the welfare state, taxation, and so forth start to take a beating. Then, on some fateful day, the now-less-committed Liberal young man happens to tune into - let's say - the Rush Limbaugh radio program, and he finds that "conservatism" actually makes sense. A conservative is born.

I cite myself as Exhibit A, and several of my friends, relations, and acquaintances had similar "growth" over the years.

Today, one notes that all of the various named generations under 40 years old (millennials, Gen-X, etc) are conspicuously liberal or liberal-libertarian in their outlook. They are notably less religious, but I'm not sure whether that is relevant to the political conversion.

My question is, will this generation undergo similar conversions as they accumulate more and more real life experiences? Or will the initial 16 years of Liberal indoctrination have a permanent effect on their political outlook?

I'm inclined to think not, for a number of reasons:
  • Public schools are much more openly socialist in their attitudes now,
  • They seem to be much more inclined to seek out "government" solutions to their problems,
  • They are more inclined to pursue "bullshit" careers (government, non-profit, academe), which tend to insulate one from the Real World,
  • They are more protected by their parents than past generations, which softens the impact of Real World problems.
Other views?
I seriously doubt that these millennial liberals will turn into conservatives but not because of any of your pessimistic reasons. What you call conservatism has become nothing but a 20th century nostalgia cult that demonizes young America worse than they did when they were all scared of hippies. They have been shut out of every conservative policy discussion and told to sit down and shut up. There will be a price for treating them so badly and exacerbating the problems they care about most.
Wow. Talk about some twisted fallacy, in that statement.
It's the unvarnished truth that there is no place for anyone under 40 in what we call conservatism, at least that is how many younger people see it, and what they think is very important if you want there to still be a competitive republican party going forward. You people are not getting any younger, how are you going to replace your numbers?
Yet, the left has completely abandoned liberal principles, and is little beyond an authoritarian straightjacket opposed to free expression while supporting a rigid system of privilege based upon any given sub group's ability to portray itself as victim.
 

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