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How does the existence of water vapor cause more water to enter it's vapor state?
... do you know what feedback is?
Water vapor doesn't feedback anything ...
I have to keep stressing that the ocean has currents which also run up and down in the water column. It transfers heat not just through passive convection through standing water.
I thought I'd made that clear with the discussion of the NADW.
The math works out. Because it includes details about how ocean circulation actually works.
Not even close. You are talking straight convection in a standing body of water. That couldn't be FURTHER AWAY from what the ocean is like.
Oceanolography isn't your strong suit
"Oceanic circulation can be divided into two kinds: wind-driven circulation and thermohaline circulation.
I am glad you brought this up ... I was wrong about the mechanism ... but my argument still stands... "just in winter, that'll turn your annual average to garbage?" ...
The only thing you made clear is that you don't know very much about the NADW ...
It's a feedback in that more CO2 causes warming in the lower atmosphere which causes more water vapor to be added into the atmosphere and H2O is another greenhouse gas.
Have you honestly NOT read ANY actual climate change literature? Seriously...this is all over pretty much every description of the greenhouse effect. You'd have to have not read ANYTHING to not know this.
I mean no offense.
Do you disagree with my characterization of ocean currents????
Remember, I've actually been involved in measuring those things!
That "thermohaline circulation" is exactly what I was talking about. Perhaps before you try to take on someone who actually has direct experience in a topic you should learn it yourself.
Wow.
Except you completely missed the thermohaline circulation.
Really? How? I've actually touched water from the bottom of the Atlantic from the NADW itself. I helped TRACK IT.
This is cause-and-effect ... where does the "effect" here provide more "cause"?
There are real feedbacks in the climate system ... just that none will do what you need them to do ... it's just a sciency word that most people don't understand ...
"Oceanic circulation can be divided into two kinds: wind-driven circulation and thermohaline circulation. Wind-driven circulation involves the horizontal movement of surface seawater with the help of wind current and it generates large gyres on the ocean. In contrast, thermohaline circulation is much sluggish and involves the vertical movement of seawater predominantly. It is observed that such circulation has a typical speed of 1 centimetre per second but it involves a movement of huge amounts of water that carries heat, salts and other nutrients of seawater." ... [Emphasis mine]
Do you disagree with this statement? ... if so ... then what would be the correct statement? ...
If you could remove the earth's atmosphere the effect would be immediate. That's due to the greenhouse effect.Wrong. Read the literature.
Climate sensitivity is gooblygook arm waving.
You mean the same guys who say the science is settled? Yeah, anyone who says that is wrong. They are measuring atmospheric temperature, right? The GHG effect is real time. You don't need to wait centuries for it's effect.When you say stuff like that you are effectively saying that the ENTIRE FIELD is wrong and only YOU know the right way to do it.
So now you know better than thousands upon thousands of independent researchers all over the world who have been working on this topic for nearly a century.
Does that cause you any concern that maybe you are the one who is wrong?
Just curious.
You mean the same guys who say the science is settled?
Yeah, anyone who says that is wrong. They are measuring atmospheric temperature, right? The GHG effect is real time. You don't need to wait centuries for it's effect.
Exactly. The same guys who say the science is settled.No, I mean literally everyone in the field.
Funny, you disagree with all the world's experts. Does that give you pause at all? Not even a little?
Whenever you find yourself on the opposite side of all the world's experts you are either a once-in-a-millennium genius or you are simply wrong.
I know where the good bet is at.
What an arrogant child! You cultists really do get angry that people are allowed to disagree with you.To be quite fair it was because you were being a dick.
No I don't. You don't matter.
You know, I actually tried in this post to be nice and understanding with regards to your lack of education.
Apologies for failing to be as much of an asshole as you are.
Really? What can we do to geology to prevent climate change? Rearrange the rocks?LOL. Geology has nothing to do with this? LOL.
I mean, really, that's hilarious.
How do you think you know anything about the earth's climate PAST? Yeah, that's geology. Oceanography is part of the earth sciences and that's INTEGRAL to this topic.
Wow. The amount of stuff that you DON'T know is beyond amazing!
Seriously dude, you are a gem! Hilarious!
Science is NEVER settled. Anyone who claims it is is selling snake oil.No, I mean literally everyone in the field.
Funny, you disagree with all the world's experts. Does that give you pause at all? Not even a little?
Whenever you find yourself on the opposite side of all the world's experts you are either a once-in-a-millennium genius or you are simply wrong.
I know where the good bet is at.
I've touched the Great Pyramid at Giza. I guess I'm an archeologist now.Really? How? I've actually touched water from the bottom of the Atlantic from the NADW itself. I helped TRACK IT.
OMG HE TOUCHED THE WATER MAN YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO HIM"Oceanic circulation can be divided into two kinds: wind-driven circulation and thermohaline circulation. Wind-driven circulation involves the horizontal movement of surface seawater with the help of wind current and it generates large gyres on the ocean. In contrast, thermohaline circulation is much sluggish and involves the vertical movement of seawater predominantly. It is observed that such circulation has a typical speed of 1 centimetre per second but it involves a movement of huge amounts of water that carries heat, salts and other nutrients of seawater." ... [Emphasis mine]
Do you disagree with this statement? ... if so ... then what would be the correct statement? ...
"Oceanic circulation can be divided into two kinds: wind-driven circulation and thermohaline circulation. Wind-driven circulation involves the horizontal movement of surface seawater with the help of wind current and it generates large gyres on the ocean. In contrast, thermohaline circulation is much sluggish and involves the vertical movement of seawater predominantly. It is observed that such circulation has a typical speed of 1 centimetre per second but it involves a movement of huge amounts of water that carries heat, salts and other nutrients of seawater." ... [Emphasis mine]
Do you disagree with this statement? ... if so ... then what would be the correct statement? ...
I don't disagree with either statement. I honestly don't see what your point is. Other than you accusation that I somehow failed to explain ocean circulation.
I did. I honestly don't see where I failed to explain that to you already.
