McDonalds Introduces Self Serving Kiosks in Response to Min Wage Increase

[hadit]

Kids don't need experience on minimum wage jobs. My kids didn't work until after they had their college degrees. 7.25an hour, which I am not in favor of raising, ensures big profits. Those John's are for unproductive, low skilled people who will only stay a few weeks or so.

Take two identical kids ready to break into the job market, ready to launch that career. Which one has the better prospect of landing that job quickly and at higher starting pay?

A. The one who has worked a part time job every summer and vacation since he/she was 16 and has references to prove it.

B. The one who has no job experience or references at all.

 

[hadit]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

Then where do the kids get the skills?

Where do they get money to live on?

.

They can be paid a reasonable wage and still get their "skills"

Business survived eight years ago when min wage was raised to $7.25
They still claim they can only survive if wages remain at that level

Sure, you can raise the MW a dollar an hour and probably see no immediate ill effects. Double it overnight to $15/hr, however, and you will. 62% of American workers earn $20/hr or less. What do you think all those workers will do when their pay suddenly goes from over double MW to just a few dollars over? When someone has worked their way up from $7.25/hr to $20/hr over several years, they're not going to sit idly by and watch someone walk in off the street with no experience and no skills and start out making almost as much as they do. You're talking about disruption on a large scale.

The only way a MW works is if you keep it low enough that it doesn't really make that much of a difference.

 

[rightwinger]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

You can stay in business if you pay more, but you will likely have fewer employees enjoying the increased pay, and if you pay more than you can charge for your goods or services, you will go out of business.

Here's a good question: Why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether? Think it through.

Stupid question

Well......ummmm....If you want to raise minimum wage over $7.25....why not raise it to $100?
Because $7.26 is the same as $100

 

[rightwinger]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

Then where do the kids get the skills?

Where do they get money to live on?

.

They can be paid a reasonable wage and still get their "skills"

Business survived eight years ago when min wage was raised to $7.25
They still claim they can only survive if wages remain at that level

Sure, you can raise the MW a dollar an hour and probably see no immediate ill effects. Double it overnight to $15/hr, however, and you will. 62% of American workers earn $20/hr or less. What do you think all those workers will do when their pay suddenly goes from over double MW to just a few dollars over? When someone has worked their way up from $7.25/hr to $20/hr over several years, they're not going to sit idly by and watch someone walk in off the street with no experience and no skills and start out making almost as much as they do. You're talking about disruption on a large scale.

The only way a MW works is if you keep it low enough that it doesn't really make that much of a difference.

Nobody is saying raise it overnight. But given that minimum wage has not risen in eight years....a sizeable increase is warranted

 

[danielpalos]

They make money off of every worker

Since what they make off some is little to nothing, that's why some get paid little to nothing. See how that works.

Are you saying that someone for which a company makes the equivalent of $2/hour should get paid more than that? That's a losing proposition even you, if you could start a business, wouldn't do.

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages, not minimum wages. Only lousy capitalists who make, "poor lifestyle choices" cannot do the same.

This is why leftists are irrelevant to discussions on economics.

Just be honest for a change. What you want is legal pot and a guaranteed income so you can buy it without having to work a job.

only the right is irrelevant to discussions about economics. all they have is right wing fantasy and no valid economic arguments.

i don't mind paying taxes on recreational pot.

Sure, as long as you get a paycheck without having to bother working a job for it.

just national socialist, right wing propaganda?

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. Anyone can be, naturally unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

but, only left wing liberal socialists would know that.

 

[danielpalos]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

You can stay in business if you pay more, but you will likely have fewer employees enjoying the increased pay, and if you pay more than you can charge for your goods or services, you will go out of business.

Here's a good question: Why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether? Think it through.

just national socialist, right wing fantasy?

social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour. it is the Reason, for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

 

[danielpalos]

Kids don't need experience on minimum wage jobs. My kids didn't work until after they had their college degrees. 7.25an hour, which I am not in favor of raising, ensures big profits. Those John's are for unproductive, low skilled people who will only stay a few weeks or so.

Take two identical kids ready to break into the job market, ready to launch that career. Which one has the better prospect of landing that job quickly and at higher starting pay?

A. The one who has worked a part time job every summer and vacation since he/she was 16 and has references to prove it.

B. The one who has no job experience or references at all.

what if person B went to school on unemployment compensation paying fourteen dollars an hour?

 

[danielpalos]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

Then where do the kids get the skills?

Where do they get money to live on?

.

They can be paid a reasonable wage and still get their "skills"

Business survived eight years ago when min wage was raised to $7.25
They still claim they can only survive if wages remain at that level

Sure, you can raise the MW a dollar an hour and probably see no immediate ill effects. Double it overnight to $15/hr, however, and you will. 62% of American workers earn $20/hr or less. What do you think all those workers will do when their pay suddenly goes from over double MW to just a few dollars over? When someone has worked their way up from $7.25/hr to $20/hr over several years, they're not going to sit idly by and watch someone walk in off the street with no experience and no skills and start out making almost as much as they do. You're talking about disruption on a large scale.

The only way a MW works is if you keep it low enough that it doesn't really make that much of a difference.

only in right wing, national socialist fantasy.

left wing liberal socialist utopia, would simply compensate persons for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment, at fourteen dollars an hour.

 

[hadit]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

You can stay in business if you pay more, but you will likely have fewer employees enjoying the increased pay, and if you pay more than you can charge for your goods or services, you will go out of business.

Here's a good question: Why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether? Think it through.

Stupid question

Well......ummmm....If you want to raise minimum wage over $7.25....why not raise it to $100?
Because $7.26 is the same as $100

The question has a very important purpose, and that is to illustrate the reality that raising the MW DOES have an impact on jobs. The degree of that impact varies with the size of the increase.

Obviously, you cannot raise the MW overnight to $100/hr and expect to eliminate poverty because no companies would be paying anyone that much. Thus, you cannot simply and arbitrarily raise the MW significantly and quickly with no negative ramifications. Go from $7.25 to $8.50 and you probably wouldn't see much right away. Go from $7.25 to $15, however, and you will have a much greater negative impact.

Raising the MW by a large amount and quickly as a tool to combat poverty is a losing proposition because companies do not operate in a fantasy vacuum, they operate in the real world where you can't pay workers more than their labor is worth and stay in business.

 

[hadit]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

Then where do the kids get the skills?

Where do they get money to live on?

.

They can be paid a reasonable wage and still get their "skills"

Business survived eight years ago when min wage was raised to $7.25
They still claim they can only survive if wages remain at that level

Sure, you can raise the MW a dollar an hour and probably see no immediate ill effects. Double it overnight to $15/hr, however, and you will. 62% of American workers earn $20/hr or less. What do you think all those workers will do when their pay suddenly goes from over double MW to just a few dollars over? When someone has worked their way up from $7.25/hr to $20/hr over several years, they're not going to sit idly by and watch someone walk in off the street with no experience and no skills and start out making almost as much as they do. You're talking about disruption on a large scale.

The only way a MW works is if you keep it low enough that it doesn't really make that much of a difference.

Nobody is saying raise it overnight. But given that minimum wage has not risen in eight years....a sizeable increase is warranted

If you want to peg the MW to inflation, sure, but you can't double it now to "catch up" without negative repercussions. The only way it works is to keep it low enough that it really doesn't make much difference.

 

[hadit]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

Then where do the kids get the skills?

Where do they get money to live on?

.

They can be paid a reasonable wage and still get their "skills"

Business survived eight years ago when min wage was raised to $7.25
They still claim they can only survive if wages remain at that level

Sure, you can raise the MW a dollar an hour and probably see no immediate ill effects. Double it overnight to $15/hr, however, and you will. 62% of American workers earn $20/hr or less. What do you think all those workers will do when their pay suddenly goes from over double MW to just a few dollars over? When someone has worked their way up from $7.25/hr to $20/hr over several years, they're not going to sit idly by and watch someone walk in off the street with no experience and no skills and start out making almost as much as they do. You're talking about disruption on a large scale.

The only way a MW works is if you keep it low enough that it doesn't really make that much of a difference.

only in right wing, national socialist fantasy.

left wing liberal socialist utopia, would simply compensate persons for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment, at fourteen dollars an hour.

Yeah, yeah, we know. We also know that doesn't work. Please try to be entertaining next time and say something different for a change.

 

[hadit]

Kids don't need experience on minimum wage jobs. My kids didn't work until after they had their college degrees. 7.25an hour, which I am not in favor of raising, ensures big profits. Those John's are for unproductive, low skilled people who will only stay a few weeks or so.

Take two identical kids ready to break into the job market, ready to launch that career. Which one has the better prospect of landing that job quickly and at higher starting pay?

A. The one who has worked a part time job every summer and vacation since he/she was 16 and has references to prove it.

B. The one who has no job experience or references at all.

what if person B went to school on unemployment compensation paying fourteen dollars an hour?

Irrelevant to the point. Both kids went to the same school and got the same education. Which one is more likely to get the job they want faster?

 

[hadit]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

You can stay in business if you pay more, but you will likely have fewer employees enjoying the increased pay, and if you pay more than you can charge for your goods or services, you will go out of business.

Here's a good question: Why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether? Think it through.

just national socialist, right wing fantasy?

social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour. it is the Reason, for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

And if society wants people to have a guaranteed income of $14/hr, then society needs to step up, get their representatives in Washington to write legislation, raise taxes, and distribute the welfare. Forcing companies to pay an arbitrarily high amount just tries to turn them into welfare distribution centers, and fails when they lay off large numbers of workers.

 

[rightwinger]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

You can stay in business if you pay more, but you will likely have fewer employees enjoying the increased pay, and if you pay more than you can charge for your goods or services, you will go out of business.

Here's a good question: Why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether? Think it through.

Stupid question

Well......ummmm....If you want to raise minimum wage over $7.25....why not raise it to $100?
Because $7.26 is the same as $100

The question has a very important purpose, and that is to illustrate the reality that raising the MW DOES have an impact on jobs. The degree of that impact varies with the size of the increase.

Obviously, you cannot raise the MW overnight to $100/hr and expect to eliminate poverty because no companies would be paying anyone that much. Thus, you cannot simply and arbitrarily raise the MW significantly and quickly with no negative ramifications. Go from $7.25 to $8.50 and you probably wouldn't see much right away. Go from $7.25 to $15, however, and you will have a much greater negative impact.

Raising the MW by a large amount and quickly as a tool to combat poverty is a losing proposition because companies do not operate in a fantasy vacuum, they operate in the real world where you can't pay workers more than their labor is worth and stay in business.

The problem is we have not raised minimum wage in eight years and once it is raised, it will probably not be raised for another eight

So, $15 seems fair

 

[hadit]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

You can stay in business if you pay more, but you will likely have fewer employees enjoying the increased pay, and if you pay more than you can charge for your goods or services, you will go out of business.

Here's a good question: Why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether? Think it through.

Stupid question

Well......ummmm....If you want to raise minimum wage over $7.25....why not raise it to $100?
Because $7.26 is the same as $100

The question has a very important purpose, and that is to illustrate the reality that raising the MW DOES have an impact on jobs. The degree of that impact varies with the size of the increase.

Obviously, you cannot raise the MW overnight to $100/hr and expect to eliminate poverty because no companies would be paying anyone that much. Thus, you cannot simply and arbitrarily raise the MW significantly and quickly with no negative ramifications. Go from $7.25 to $8.50 and you probably wouldn't see much right away. Go from $7.25 to $15, however, and you will have a much greater negative impact.

Raising the MW by a large amount and quickly as a tool to combat poverty is a losing proposition because companies do not operate in a fantasy vacuum, they operate in the real world where you can't pay workers more than their labor is worth and stay in business.

The problem is we have not raised minimum wage in eight years and once it is raised, it will probably not be raised for another eight

So, $15 seems fair

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

 

[rightwinger]

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

You can stay in business if you pay more, but you will likely have fewer employees enjoying the increased pay, and if you pay more than you can charge for your goods or services, you will go out of business.

Here's a good question: Why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether? Think it through.

Stupid question

Well......ummmm....If you want to raise minimum wage over $7.25....why not raise it to $100?
Because $7.26 is the same as $100

The question has a very important purpose, and that is to illustrate the reality that raising the MW DOES have an impact on jobs. The degree of that impact varies with the size of the increase.

Obviously, you cannot raise the MW overnight to $100/hr and expect to eliminate poverty because no companies would be paying anyone that much. Thus, you cannot simply and arbitrarily raise the MW significantly and quickly with no negative ramifications. Go from $7.25 to $8.50 and you probably wouldn't see much right away. Go from $7.25 to $15, however, and you will have a much greater negative impact.

Raising the MW by a large amount and quickly as a tool to combat poverty is a losing proposition because companies do not operate in a fantasy vacuum, they operate in the real world where you can't pay workers more than their labor is worth and stay in business.

The problem is we have not raised minimum wage in eight years and once it is raised, it will probably not be raised for another eight

So, $15 seems fair

I've already pointed out that it would impact well over half the work force. Do you REALLY think that many people can ALL get large raises at the same time with no impact to the job market?

Business has made undue profits off of cheap labor for the last eight years
Time for the pendulum to swing the other way

You whine about what is the potential sacrifices business would have to make while you ignore the sacrifices low wage employees have made over the last eight years

 

[danielpalos]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

You can stay in business if you pay more, but you will likely have fewer employees enjoying the increased pay, and if you pay more than you can charge for your goods or services, you will go out of business.

Here's a good question: Why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether? Think it through.

Stupid question

Well......ummmm....If you want to raise minimum wage over $7.25....why not raise it to $100?
Because $7.26 is the same as $100

The question has a very important purpose, and that is to illustrate the reality that raising the MW DOES have an impact on jobs. The degree of that impact varies with the size of the increase.

Obviously, you cannot raise the MW overnight to $100/hr and expect to eliminate poverty because no companies would be paying anyone that much. Thus, you cannot simply and arbitrarily raise the MW significantly and quickly with no negative ramifications. Go from $7.25 to $8.50 and you probably wouldn't see much right away. Go from $7.25 to $15, however, and you will have a much greater negative impact.

Raising the MW by a large amount and quickly as a tool to combat poverty is a losing proposition because companies do not operate in a fantasy vacuum, they operate in the real world where you can't pay workers more than their labor is worth and stay in business.

only lousy capitalists, say that. they must be, national socialists, instead. Henry Ford did it. He knew how to use capitalism, to his competitive advantage; unlike national socialist, false capitalists.

 

[danielpalos]

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

Then where do the kids get the skills?

Where do they get money to live on?

.

They can be paid a reasonable wage and still get their "skills"

Business survived eight years ago when min wage was raised to $7.25
They still claim they can only survive if wages remain at that level

Sure, you can raise the MW a dollar an hour and probably see no immediate ill effects. Double it overnight to $15/hr, however, and you will. 62% of American workers earn $20/hr or less. What do you think all those workers will do when their pay suddenly goes from over double MW to just a few dollars over? When someone has worked their way up from $7.25/hr to $20/hr over several years, they're not going to sit idly by and watch someone walk in off the street with no experience and no skills and start out making almost as much as they do. You're talking about disruption on a large scale.

The only way a MW works is if you keep it low enough that it doesn't really make that much of a difference.

only in right wing, national socialist fantasy.

left wing liberal socialist utopia, would simply compensate persons for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment, at fourteen dollars an hour.

Yeah, yeah, we know. We also know that doesn't work. Please try to be entertaining next time and say something different for a change.

capitalism Always works, except in right wing, national socialist fantasy.

 

[danielpalos]

Kids don't need experience on minimum wage jobs. My kids didn't work until after they had their college degrees. 7.25an hour, which I am not in favor of raising, ensures big profits. Those John's are for unproductive, low skilled people who will only stay a few weeks or so.

Take two identical kids ready to break into the job market, ready to launch that career. Which one has the better prospect of landing that job quickly and at higher starting pay?

A. The one who has worked a part time job every summer and vacation since he/she was 16 and has references to prove it.

B. The one who has no job experience or references at all.

what if person B went to school on unemployment compensation paying fourteen dollars an hour?

Irrelevant to the point. Both kids went to the same school and got the same education. Which one is more likely to get the job they want faster?

Nope; person B would have recourse to an income, simply because employers prefer a natural rate of unemployment, so they can get richer faster.

That means, a positive multiplier effect simply because more capital would be circulating.

 

[danielpalos]

This is not 1944...

.

True today as much as 1934

If you can only stay in business by paying $7.25 an hour, you don't belong in business

You can stay in business if you pay more, but you will likely have fewer employees enjoying the increased pay, and if you pay more than you can charge for your goods or services, you will go out of business.

Here's a good question: Why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether? Think it through.

just national socialist, right wing fantasy?

social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour. it is the Reason, for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

And if society wants people to have a guaranteed income of $14/hr, then society needs to step up, get their representatives in Washington to write legislation, raise taxes, and distribute the welfare. Forcing companies to pay an arbitrarily high amount just tries to turn them into welfare distribution centers, and fails when they lay off large numbers of workers.

i am advocating ending our drug war to pay for it.