Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

[Correll]

So tell us how the govt bails out capitalism.

Simple Government. Free markets have no government and no government regulation.

That is crazy talk.

You need a valid argument to make it stick, dear; simply getting the sergeant major general's office involved, means you are just a drama queen. And, drama quenery, is simply more expensive.

YOu are not saying anything sane enough to rebuttal.

Mr. Deflector and Mr. Projector at the same time?

I'm watching for a point to be addressed. Anytime you feel brave enough to make one.


I mean, you probably are afraid that I will crush it and you like a bug, and I probably will.


But, maybe you will learn something in the process.

 

[danielpalos]

this is my conclusion; mr. diversion.

The US must have a republican form of Government to "bailout capitalism".

And nothing in your posted quote supports that "conclusion", nor have you explained anything in your own words.


You just say it over and over again. Like a crazy person talking to himself in the isolation room.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Simply getting the sergeant major general's office involved, means you should start establishing a petty cash fund for litigation expenses that you know in advance and via Informed Consent, merely by getting That Office involved.

Your gibberish is getting denser.


THat is not an effective defense mechanism, it actually makes it EASIER to see that you are just spouting gibberish.


Do you have any ability or desire to engage is actually conversation?

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

As a Mexican who hates America, are you old enough to remember the Cold War?

I am quoting our federal Constitution. Only drama queens resort to red or brown herrings.

 

[danielpalos]

Simple Government. Free markets have no government and no government regulation.

That is crazy talk.

You need a valid argument to make it stick, dear; simply getting the sergeant major general's office involved, means you are just a drama queen. And, drama quenery, is simply more expensive.

YOu are not saying anything sane enough to rebuttal.

Mr. Deflector and Mr. Projector at the same time?

I'm watching for a point to be addressed. Anytime you feel brave enough to make one.


I mean, you probably are afraid that I will crush it and you like a bug, and I probably will.


But, maybe you will learn something in the process.

Simple Government. Free markets have no government and no government regulation.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Context is everything. The US must have a republican form of Government to "bailout capitalism".

So tell us how the govt bails out capitalism.

Simple Government. Free markets have no government and no government regulation.

Hint: We were printing money that didn't exist to bailout banks that weren't practicing capitalism and then forcing the taxpayers to pay for the misdeeds of the govt and banks.

Only command economies do that.

A command economy is where a central government makes all economic decisions. The government or a collective owns the land and the means of production. The US govt doesn't own the land nor means of production.

 

[Correll]

They shit on the little guy every chance they had even through they used the little guy as useful idiots.

Exactly what unrestrained capitalism does!

How would you know that? Where does unrestrained capitalism exist? Where has it ever existed?
.

It's great!

They cite Free Markets and Unrestrained Capitalism all the time,


but you if have a complaint about Communism, then True Communism has never existed!


Calling it a double standard doesn't really convey the epic level of hypocrisy.

It's that kind of intellectual dishonesty that makes having a decent conversation here a challenge. There is no such thing as unrestrained capitalism.
.

Any "pure" system is useful only as a theoretical model.


That should not be used as an excuse to not discuss real world examples.


Neither "unrestrained capitalism" nor "pure communism" have ever existed in the real world.


That does not mean that we cannot compare the performance of capitalism and communism.


They play games because they know that the system they are sympathetic with, can't win an honest comparison.

 

[Correll]

They shit on the little guy every chance they had even through they used the little guy as useful idiots.

Exactly what unrestrained capitalism does!

How would you know that? Where does unrestrained capitalism exist? Where has it ever existed?
.

It's great!

They cite Free Markets and Unrestrained Capitalism all the time,


but you if have a complaint about Communism, then True Communism has never existed!


Calling it a double standard doesn't really convey the epic level of hypocrisy.

Somalia had an example of an AnCap. It lasted around three years.

Anarco-capitalism? Did it?

Or was it warlordism and tribalism?


Do you think a minimum wage can be part of capitalism?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

They shit on the little guy every chance they had even through they used the little guy as useful idiots.

Exactly what unrestrained capitalism does!

How would you know that? Where does unrestrained capitalism exist? Where has it ever existed?
.

It's great!

They cite Free Markets and Unrestrained Capitalism all the time,


but you if have a complaint about Communism, then True Communism has never existed!


Calling it a double standard doesn't really convey the epic level of hypocrisy.

It's that kind of intellectual dishonesty that makes having a decent conversation here a challenge. There is no such thing as unrestrained capitalism.
.

Any "pure" system is useful only as a theoretical model.


That should not be used as an excuse to not discuss real world examples.


Neither "unrestrained capitalism" nor "pure communism" have ever existed in the real world.



That does not mean that we cannot compare the performance of capitalism and communism.


They play games because they know that the system they are sympathetic with, can't win an honest comparison.

Yep, and its rather obvious that they would love for the state to forcefully takeover all the private land and private holdings.

 

[Mac1958]

They shit on the little guy every chance they had even through they used the little guy as useful idiots.

Exactly what unrestrained capitalism does!

How would you know that? Where does unrestrained capitalism exist? Where has it ever existed?
.

It's great!

They cite Free Markets and Unrestrained Capitalism all the time,


but you if have a complaint about Communism, then True Communism has never existed!


Calling it a double standard doesn't really convey the epic level of hypocrisy.

It's that kind of intellectual dishonesty that makes having a decent conversation here a challenge. There is no such thing as unrestrained capitalism.
.

Any "pure" system is useful only as a theoretical model.


That should not be used as an excuse to not discuss real world examples.


Neither "unrestrained capitalism" nor "pure communism" have ever existed in the real world.


That does not mean that we cannot compare the performance of capitalism and communism.


They play games because they know that the system they are sympathetic with, can't win an honest comparison.

Agreed. This stuff exists on a continuum. The challenge is (a) making regulation as efficient as possible and (b) striking the right balance between the protections of regulation and the dynamics & benefits of markets.
.

 

[danielpalos]

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Context is everything. The US must have a republican form of Government to "bailout capitalism".

So tell us how the govt bails out capitalism.

Simple Government. Free markets have no government and no government regulation.

Hint: We were printing money that didn't exist to bailout banks that weren't practicing capitalism and then forcing the taxpayers to pay for the misdeeds of the govt and banks.

Only command economies do that.

A command economy is where a central government makes all economic decisions. The government or a collective owns the land and the means of production. The US govt doesn't own the land nor means of production.

Why do you believe that? A public sector is a division of labor from the private sector.

 

[danielpalos]

Exactly what unrestrained capitalism does!

How would you know that? Where does unrestrained capitalism exist? Where has it ever existed?
.

It's great!

They cite Free Markets and Unrestrained Capitalism all the time,


but you if have a complaint about Communism, then True Communism has never existed!


Calling it a double standard doesn't really convey the epic level of hypocrisy.

It's that kind of intellectual dishonesty that makes having a decent conversation here a challenge. There is no such thing as unrestrained capitalism.
.

Any "pure" system is useful only as a theoretical model.


That should not be used as an excuse to not discuss real world examples.


Neither "unrestrained capitalism" nor "pure communism" have ever existed in the real world.



That does not mean that we cannot compare the performance of capitalism and communism.


They play games because they know that the system they are sympathetic with, can't win an honest comparison.

Yep, and its rather obvious that they would love for the state to forcefully takeover all the private land and private holdings.

Only in right wing fantasy; build any walls, lately?

 

[danielpalos]

The right wing has nothing but, "herrings of color" while alleging it is the Iron Age work ethic of learning how to fish, that is important.

 

[Aletheia4u]

How many people died during the settling of the US? No communism there.

Yes but "Whitness" was sure there.

who invented European style communism?

Some of the more benevolent aspects of Socialist ldealogy was found in the teachings of Jesus Christ more than 2000 years before
another Jew updated those teachings sans the religiosity. Capitalists have served mammon well, embracing the love of money over the love of humanity. Name an evil that plagues the earth. At the root of that evil
Is the love of money. It matters not which socio economic paradigm is put to the test.
The evils of Capitalism or the evils of Communism come about when the greed of despots and oligarchs override the health and welfare of the masses over whom they govern.

Logically, a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism in the right measure is ideal.
Apparently large swaths of the American population has accepted that reality. These
citizens are middle of the road; and, they control the flow of political power between the two major parties with their uncommitted
voting patterns. I'm one of those...regardless of any labels you try to attach to me....

Yes Jesus had taught socialism and communism. But look at what He had done to the one that did not do what the others were doing. Socialism can only work if corporations and politicians were doing their part as well as the others. But I see that Big Pharma will not create medicines just to help others rather than for a large profit. Everyone has to be willing to work for other for free, as if they are their own family. As the same way parents works for their own Children for free.But nobody doesn't want to help thy neighbor.




Acts 4:32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.
33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.


Acts 5:1 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.




Matthew 20:9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

There is nothing in scriptures that said Jesus endorsed the forcible redistribution of wealth by political authorities.

God wanted this type of society, but sin has entered in it again. God had divided us. He had erased all of our memories in us during the time of the tower. To see what is really in our hearts. Those that are cheerful givers like Him, will be consider as children of God. It was never meant for us to have sexual desires for one another. But before they have ate from off the tree, they saw each other as the way brothers and sisters do. But it says that God will restore everything back the way it was in the beginning. Before sin entered into the earth. We are not going to have any sexual desires for anyone. We are going to see them as family, but not something to mate with. But at the moment, God had sanctify (cleansed) that act of sexual immorality so that we will not be ashamed.
But right now, God is permitting our system to ruled. It is because socialism cannot work unless the whole world is restored. After Ananias has brought sin back into the system. The Hebraic Jews started fighting with the Hellenistic Jews., causing it to failed. But later, God have given them His spirit on the day of the Pentecost and scattered them to preach to other tribes and nations, with the ability of speaking in all kinds of different languages....


Acts 6:1 In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Hellenistic Jews among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food.

Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.

Isaiah 1:26 I will restore your leaders as in days of old, your rulers as at the beginning. Afterward you will be called the City of Righteousness, the Faithful City.”

1 John 2:16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.

Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Luke 20:36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection.

1 Corinthians 7:38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does better.

 

[Correll]

That is crazy talk.

You need a valid argument to make it stick, dear; simply getting the sergeant major general's office involved, means you are just a drama queen. And, drama quenery, is simply more expensive.

YOu are not saying anything sane enough to rebuttal.

Mr. Deflector and Mr. Projector at the same time?

I'm watching for a point to be addressed. Anytime you feel brave enough to make one.


I mean, you probably are afraid that I will crush it and you like a bug, and I probably will.


But, maybe you will learn something in the process.

Simple Government. Free markets have no government and no government regulation.

Your desire to limit capitalism to pure form Free Markets is noted and rejected.


A well regulated market can gather large portions of the productivity and efficiency of theoretical Free Markets.


As evidenced by the rise of the American economy over the last 300 years.

 

[Correll]

The right wing has nothing but, "herrings of color" while alleging it is the Iron Age work ethic of learning how to fish, that is important.

Your arrogance dismissal of hard work is noted.

 

[JQPublic1]

How many people died during the settling of the US? No communism there.

Yes but "Whitness" was sure there.

who invented European style communism?

Some of the more benevolent aspects of Socialist ldealogy was found in the teachings of Jesus Christ more than 2000 years before
another Jew updated those teachings sans the religiosity. Capitalists have served mammon well, embracing the love of money over the love of humanity. Name an evil that plagues the earth. At the root of that evil
Is the love of money. It matters not which socio economic paradigm is put to the test.
The evils of Capitalism or the evils of Communism come about when the greed of despots and oligarchs override the health and welfare of the masses over whom they govern.

Logically, a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism in the right measure is ideal.
Apparently large swaths of the American population has accepted that reality. These
citizens are middle of the road; and, they control the flow of political power between the two major parties with their uncommitted
voting patterns. I'm one of those...regardless of any labels you try to attach to me....

Yes Jesus had taught socialism and communism. But look at what He had done to the one that did not do what the others were doing. Socialism can only work if corporations and politicians were doing their part as well as the others. But I see that Big Pharma will not create medicines just to help others rather than for a large profit. Everyone has to be willing to work for other for free, as if they are their own family. As the same way parents works for their own Children for free.But nobody doesn't want to help thy neighbor.




Acts 4:32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.
33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.


Acts 5:1 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.




Matthew 20:9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

There is nothing in scriptures that said Jesus the forcible redistribution of wealth by political authorities.

The rich man , seeking counsel from Jesus about attaining salvation, upon hearing the prerequisites turned away because he could not give up his wealth. And so it is today. Wealthy men have tried to modify the gospels of Jesus to meet their needs without having to sell ALL they have and give to the poor.
Some are indeed generous...but that is not perfection until they sell ALL they have and give to the poor...according to the words of the bible said to be those of JESUS.

 

[JQPublic1]

Yes but "Whitness" was sure there.

who invented European style communism?

Some of the more benevolent aspects of Socialist ldealogy was found in the teachings of Jesus Christ more than 2000 years before
another Jew updated those teachings sans the religiosity. Capitalists have served mammon well, embracing the love of money over the love of humanity. Name an evil that plagues the earth. At the root of that evil
Is the love of money. It matters not which socio economic paradigm is put to the test.
The evils of Capitalism or the evils of Communism come about when the greed of despots and oligarchs override the health and welfare of the masses over whom they govern.

Logically, a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism in the right measure is ideal.
Apparently large swaths of the American population has accepted that reality. These
citizens are middle of the road; and, they control the flow of political power between the two major parties with their uncommitted
voting patterns. I'm one of those...regardless of any labels you try to attach to me....

Yes Jesus had taught socialism and communism. But look at what He had done to the one that did not do what the others were doing. Socialism can only work if corporations and politicians were doing their part as well as the others. But I see that Big Pharma will not create medicines just to help others rather than for a large profit. Everyone has to be willing to work for other for free, as if they are their own family. As the same way parents works for their own Children for free.But nobody doesn't want to help thy neighbor.




Acts 4:32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.
33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.


Acts 5:1 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.




Matthew 20:9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

There is nothing in scriptures that said Jesus endorsed the forcible redistribution of wealth by political authorities.

Just like the Constitution, all they need to do is interpret the Bible to tell you what it really was trying to say all along.

Interestingly, they tend to ignore both.

I'm not sure who you mean by "they ," but if I'm included in that anonymous group, I will say this in response: Quoted acripture is not the same as interpretation of scripture. Learn to tell the difference.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

So tell us how the govt bails out capitalism.

Simple Government. Free markets have no government and no government regulation.

Hint: We were printing money that didn't exist to bailout banks that weren't practicing capitalism and then forcing the taxpayers to pay for the misdeeds of the govt and banks.

Only command economies do that.

A command economy is where a central government makes all economic decisions. The government or a collective owns the land and the means of production. The US govt doesn't own the land nor means of production.

Why do you believe that? A public sector is a division of labor from the private sector.

Those are facts.

 

[Aletheia4u]

Yes but "Whitness" was sure there.

who invented European style communism?

Some of the more benevolent aspects of Socialist ldealogy was found in the teachings of Jesus Christ more than 2000 years before
another Jew updated those teachings sans the religiosity. Capitalists have served mammon well, embracing the love of money over the love of humanity. Name an evil that plagues the earth. At the root of that evil
Is the love of money. It matters not which socio economic paradigm is put to the test.
The evils of Capitalism or the evils of Communism come about when the greed of despots and oligarchs override the health and welfare of the masses over whom they govern.

Logically, a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism in the right measure is ideal.
Apparently large swaths of the American population has accepted that reality. These
citizens are middle of the road; and, they control the flow of political power between the two major parties with their uncommitted
voting patterns. I'm one of those...regardless of any labels you try to attach to me....

Yes Jesus had taught socialism and communism. But look at what He had done to the one that did not do what the others were doing. Socialism can only work if corporations and politicians were doing their part as well as the others. But I see that Big Pharma will not create medicines just to help others rather than for a large profit. Everyone has to be willing to work for other for free, as if they are their own family. As the same way parents works for their own Children for free.But nobody doesn't want to help thy neighbor.




Acts 4:32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.
33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.


Acts 5:1 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.




Matthew 20:9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

There is nothing in scriptures that said Jesus the forcible redistribution of wealth by political authorities.

The rich man , seeking counsel from Jesus about attaining salvation, upon hearing the prerequisites turned away because he could not give up his wealth. And so it is today. Wealthy men have tried to modify the gospels of Jesus to meet their needs without having to sell ALL they have and give to the poor.
Some are indeed generous...but that is not perfection until they sell ALL they have and give to the poor...according to the words of the bible said to be those of JESUS.

The Rich man did not know that he has already broken one of the greatest command. But he claimed that he had kept them all. It's hard for a rich man to enter because he has been blinded by his wealth.

Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

Matthew 9:9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.

Hebrews 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Exodus 19:5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine,

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

Philippians 3:19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Yes but "Whitness" was sure there.

who invented European style communism?

Some of the more benevolent aspects of Socialist ldealogy was found in the teachings of Jesus Christ more than 2000 years before
another Jew updated those teachings sans the religiosity. Capitalists have served mammon well, embracing the love of money over the love of humanity. Name an evil that plagues the earth. At the root of that evil
Is the love of money. It matters not which socio economic paradigm is put to the test.
The evils of Capitalism or the evils of Communism come about when the greed of despots and oligarchs override the health and welfare of the masses over whom they govern.

Logically, a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism in the right measure is ideal.
Apparently large swaths of the American population has accepted that reality. These
citizens are middle of the road; and, they control the flow of political power between the two major parties with their uncommitted
voting patterns. I'm one of those...regardless of any labels you try to attach to me....

Yes Jesus had taught socialism and communism. But look at what He had done to the one that did not do what the others were doing. Socialism can only work if corporations and politicians were doing their part as well as the others. But I see that Big Pharma will not create medicines just to help others rather than for a large profit. Everyone has to be willing to work for other for free, as if they are their own family. As the same way parents works for their own Children for free.But nobody doesn't want to help thy neighbor.




Acts 4:32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.
33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.


Acts 5:1 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.




Matthew 20:9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

There is nothing in scriptures that said Jesus the forcible redistribution of wealth by political authorities.

The rich man , seeking counsel from Jesus about attaining salvation, upon hearing the prerequisites turned away because he could not give up his wealth. And so it is today. Wealthy men have tried to modify the gospels of Jesus to meet their needs without having to sell ALL they have and give to the poor.
Some are indeed generous...but that is not perfection until they sell ALL they have and give to the poor...according to the words of the bible said to be those of JESUS.

Will not disagree with most of that other than we're still not perfect if we give up everything. Striving for perfection is the key.

 

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Me: Communism has killed 94 million people...

"Communism" is an economic system. It doesn't "kill" anybody.

Armies kill people. Guns and bombs and rockets kill people. Murderers kill people. Economic systems preeeeety much provide a framework for how wealth moves around. That's all they do.

Yes, it is an economic system that must have full control of an otherwise free economy. To achieve this, you need draconian levels of control in order to monitor every financial transaction on the face of the globe.

Once they achieve this control, all other forms of control are a piece of cake.

EVERY economic system require full control of itself. That's what makes it a "system".
If a system isn't controlling what it's controlling ---- then it isn't a system. It's part of the definition.
Not rocket surgery.