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Not just recommending, sadly. Some of these children are having their puberty delayed. Puberty, the very process that results in a great many kids abandoning earlier notions that they might ID with the opposite gender. Interesting, isn't it?
Not to mention that drugging a child with powerful hormones results in a delay in brain and bone development; and that child under such a powerful mind-altering influence cannot of his own mind "decide which gender he wants to be" when that decision is already 3/4 of the way made for him by the prescribing MD & consenting parents (all of which belong in prison for child abuse).
I don't think I agree with imprisoning them. I think some of them think they are doing the right thing. It is inadvertent abuse, IMO.
Like someone else posted on another thread, there are other disorders very similar to transgenderism, such as people who want to cut off one of their limbs or people who want to be blind. Would we cut off their limbs and blind them to satisfy these delusions? No, we would not. We would think that is a horrible and macabre treatment for someone who is obviously delusional.
What punishment would you recommend for an MD who amputated a patient's healthy arm or leg because that patient "always felt like an amputee" from their earliest memory? I'd send them to prison. But I guess that's just me?
Exactly. Have you noticed how everyone on the left ignores this, the major point, or they pretend pervs have some sort of honour code? They have to approach it this way in order to liberally apply the bigot label.To be clear, I don't feel "endangered" by transsexuals. They are . . . something else. My fear is men pretending to be transgendered to gain access to the ladies' room and victimizing females. It doesn't have to be rape either. It could be taking pictures under a stall with their cellphones and things like that. Men do not belong in the ladies' room. Period.
No, I don't like that one. Mostly because you are deluding yourself about your conduct here.I state pretty objective points on both sides. I criticize one sided arguments that present false information as ignorant. It's not a left or right thing. For you to claim that it is makes you pretty ignorant. Ya like that one?!The person who sounds ignorant is the person who repeatedly labels people who disagree with him as ignorant, especially when it's clear the other person has done research and has as much evidence to support their PoV as anyone else. I guess that makes you an ignorant bigot, something not atypical of the left, sadly.They go through extensive therapy for years before reaching that point... how many times do I need to say it? EDUCATE YOURSELF. You sound very ignorantDelusion is not the correct term. It's called Gender Identity Disorder... You should look it up, read some stories, learn what children go through, learn about what treatments are in place, what struggles these people go through, how many suicides and self harm they experience.... Get some objectivity so there is a basis behind your arguements. Right now your statements read like you know little to nothing about the flip side of the coin
A man looks between his legs and sees a penis and testicles. He is a typical Xy male in all respects. But then he declares "I'm really a woman!" And he is not delusional?
That's a hard sell bro. And, nobody's buying it. Elephants are elephants. Goats are goats. Pyramids are pyramids. Males are males.
Some people are definitely buying it though, sad to say. Instead of these people getting the therapy they need to help them deal with their issues, they are offered dangerous surgeries and hormones. It's just like giving an anorexic liposuction.
To be clear, I don't feel "endangered" by transsexuals. They are . . . something else. My fear is men pretending to be transgendered to gain access to the ladies' room and victimizing females. It doesn't have to be rape either. It could be taking pictures under a stall with their cellphones and things like that. Men do not belong in the ladies' room. Period.
Practically, as if "transgender" was a real thing (which it isn't and ChrisL gave the perfect diagnosis in her post #3062), a means of identification would have to be in place conspicuously, for the sake of rape-survivors. An MD would have to sign off that a given man "is actually a woman".Exactly. Have you noticed how everyone on the left ignores this, the major point, or they pretend pervs have some sort of honour code? They have to approach it this way in order to liberally apply the bigot label.
Do you know any transexuals? Ever met one?Not to mention the fact that most don't look like that, and that if face to face with the person in the pic, you'd still know. Pics off the net are one thing, having them stand next to you is completely another.Point taken, you are standing up for rape victims, I can understand that... How do you think a rape victim would feel about walking into a bathroom or locker room and seeing this girl? Is that what you think should happen?From the 17 million rape survivors and their expectations when disrobing behind doors marked "women" outside. God you ask the easiest questions.You are not answering the question... Where does the feeling of loss of privacy come from?
Their triggers and PTSD doesn't give a rat's ass if the man in there with them is gay, straight, in a dress, heels or doing a handstand with pinwheels on his feet. Their privacy is ironclad. If the door says "women" then that is ALL who is allowed behind it.
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This is the result of your "ideology." If it weren't for your PC crap, these people would not be looking like this.
Those are professional photos. Professional photos are always edited.
Do you know any transexuals? Ever met one?Not to mention the fact that most don't look like that, and that if face to face with the person in the pic, you'd still know. Pics off the net are one thing, having them stand next to you is completely another.Point taken, you are standing up for rape victims, I can understand that... How do you think a rape victim would feel about walking into a bathroom or locker room and seeing this girl? Is that what you think should happen?From the 17 million rape survivors and their expectations when disrobing behind doors marked "women" outside. God you ask the easiest questions.
Their triggers and PTSD doesn't give a rat's ass if the man in there with them is gay, straight, in a dress, heels or doing a handstand with pinwheels on his feet. Their privacy is ironclad. If the door says "women" then that is ALL who is allowed behind it.
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This is the result of your "ideology." If it weren't for your PC crap, these people would not be looking like this.
Those are professional photos. Professional photos are always edited.
Do you know any transexuals? Ever met one?Not to mention the fact that most don't look like that, and that if face to face with the person in the pic, you'd still know. Pics off the net are one thing, having them stand next to you is completely another.Point taken, you are standing up for rape victims, I can understand that... How do you think a rape victim would feel about walking into a bathroom or locker room and seeing this girl? Is that what you think should happen?From the 17 million rape survivors and their expectations when disrobing behind doors marked "women" outside. God you ask the easiest questions.
Their triggers and PTSD doesn't give a rat's ass if the man in there with them is gay, straight, in a dress, heels or doing a handstand with pinwheels on his feet. Their privacy is ironclad. If the door says "women" then that is ALL who is allowed behind it.
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This is the result of your "ideology." If it weren't for your PC crap, these people would not be looking like this.
Those are professional photos. Professional photos are always edited.
No, my girl is a licensed Psychologist and works in the school system with children. I'm very aware of how they treat children and adults with this disorder... A transition is a very long process and hormones/surgery is a last resortThey go through extensive therapy for years before reaching that point... how many times do I need to say it? EDUCATE YOURSELF. You sound very ignorantDelusion is not the correct term. It's called Gender Identity Disorder... You should look it up, read some stories, learn what children go through, learn about what treatments are in place, what struggles these people go through, how many suicides and self harm they experience.... Get some objectivity so there is a basis behind your arguements. Right now your statements read like you know little to nothing about the flip side of the coin
A man looks between his legs and sees a penis and testicles. He is a typical Xy male in all respects. But then he declares "I'm really a woman!" And he is not delusional?
That's a hard sell bro. And, nobody's buying it. Elephants are elephants. Goats are goats. Pyramids are pyramids. Males are males.
Some people are definitely buying it though, sad to say. Instead of these people getting the therapy they need to help them deal with their issues, they are offered dangerous surgeries and hormones. It's just like giving an anorexic liposuction.
Years of extensive therapy, huh? Says you! Nowadays, they are recommending these treatments to CHILDREN. No?
Puberty is also the thing that increases their dysphoria and drives them to suicide. It is an extremely difficult situation that still needs much more research. Drugs should be a last resort and I think the government should stay out of making bathroom laws.Not just recommending, sadly. Some of these children are having their puberty delayed. Puberty, the very process that results in a great many kids abandoning earlier notions that they might ID with the opposite gender. Interesting, isn't it?They go through extensive therapy for years before reaching that point... how many times do I need to say it? EDUCATE YOURSELF. You sound very ignorantDelusion is not the correct term. It's called Gender Identity Disorder... You should look it up, read some stories, learn what children go through, learn about what treatments are in place, what struggles these people go through, how many suicides and self harm they experience.... Get some objectivity so there is a basis behind your arguements. Right now your statements read like you know little to nothing about the flip side of the coin
A man looks between his legs and sees a penis and testicles. He is a typical Xy male in all respects. But then he declares "I'm really a woman!" And he is not delusional?
That's a hard sell bro. And, nobody's buying it. Elephants are elephants. Goats are goats. Pyramids are pyramids. Males are males.
Some people are definitely buying it though, sad to say. Instead of these people getting the therapy they need to help them deal with their issues, they are offered dangerous surgeries and hormones. It's just like giving an anorexic liposuction.
Years of extensive therapy, huh? Says you! Nowadays, they are recommending these treatments to CHILDREN. No?
Puberty is also the thing that increases their dysphoria and drives them to suicide. It is an extremely difficult situation that still needs much more research. Drugs should be a last resort and I think the government should stay out of making bathroom laws.Not just recommending, sadly. Some of these children are having their puberty delayed. Puberty, the very process that results in a great many kids abandoning earlier notions that they might ID with the opposite gender. Interesting, isn't it?They go through extensive therapy for years before reaching that point... how many times do I need to say it? EDUCATE YOURSELF. You sound very ignorantA man looks between his legs and sees a penis and testicles. He is a typical Xy male in all respects. But then he declares "I'm really a woman!" And he is not delusional?
That's a hard sell bro. And, nobody's buying it. Elephants are elephants. Goats are goats. Pyramids are pyramids. Males are males.
Some people are definitely buying it though, sad to say. Instead of these people getting the therapy they need to help them deal with their issues, they are offered dangerous surgeries and hormones. It's just like giving an anorexic liposuction.
Years of extensive therapy, huh? Says you! Nowadays, they are recommending these treatments to CHILDREN. No?
Puberty is also the thing that increases their dysphoria and drives them to suicide. It is an extremely difficult situation that still needs much more research. Drugs should be a last resort and I think the government should stay out of making bathroom laws.Not just recommending, sadly. Some of these children are having their puberty delayed. Puberty, the very process that results in a great many kids abandoning earlier notions that they might ID with the opposite gender. Interesting, isn't it?They go through extensive therapy for years before reaching that point... how many times do I need to say it? EDUCATE YOURSELF. You sound very ignorantA man looks between his legs and sees a penis and testicles. He is a typical Xy male in all respects. But then he declares "I'm really a woman!" And he is not delusional?
That's a hard sell bro. And, nobody's buying it. Elephants are elephants. Goats are goats. Pyramids are pyramids. Males are males.
Some people are definitely buying it though, sad to say. Instead of these people getting the therapy they need to help them deal with their issues, they are offered dangerous surgeries and hormones. It's just like giving an anorexic liposuction.
Years of extensive therapy, huh? Says you! Nowadays, they are recommending these treatments to CHILDREN. No?
Puberty is also the thing that increases their dysphoria and drives them to suicide. It is an extremely difficult situation that still needs much more research. Drugs should be a last resort and I think the government should stay out of making bathroom laws.Not just recommending, sadly. Some of these children are having their puberty delayed. Puberty, the very process that results in a great many kids abandoning earlier notions that they might ID with the opposite gender. Interesting, isn't it?They go through extensive therapy for years before reaching that point... how many times do I need to say it? EDUCATE YOURSELF. You sound very ignorantA man looks between his legs and sees a penis and testicles. He is a typical Xy male in all respects. But then he declares "I'm really a woman!" And he is not delusional?
That's a hard sell bro. And, nobody's buying it. Elephants are elephants. Goats are goats. Pyramids are pyramids. Males are males.
Some people are definitely buying it though, sad to say. Instead of these people getting the therapy they need to help them deal with their issues, they are offered dangerous surgeries and hormones. It's just like giving an anorexic liposuction.
Years of extensive therapy, huh? Says you! Nowadays, they are recommending these treatments to CHILDREN. No?
The suicide stats are staggering... http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdfSay little boy A grows up with a mommy whose husband cheats on her, maybe beats her, maybe he's just an all around asshole. Little boy A constantly hears mommy referring to daddy as "asshole," "loser," or whatnot. Perhaps mommy refers to ALL men as "assholes." Little boy A doesn't want to grow up being an "asshole." Does this make any sense? Is anyone out there grasping what I'm saying here?....Perhaps little girl A was abused by her stepfather, sexually. Being a "female" she feels as if she extremely vulnerable to abuse in a sexual manner. She hates being a female because of these underlying factors, she is vulnerable and the "weaker" sex. Hmmm? Now, little girl wants to be seen as powerful and strong, like a man....The issue is NOT gender. The issue is something much, much deeper. Changing and rearranging a person's gender is NOT going to solve these underlying issues. The important thing is to focus on what is the underlying issue and treating it with intensive psychiatric therapy.
Absolutely spot-on. That is the real, actual diagnosis of "gender dysphoria". And those concepts of hatred or fear of the unique qualities of one's own gender can get started very early in life. So early in fact that any person interviewed later would claim emphatically "I've always felt this way".
This BS on transgender is the manifestation of the complete FAILURE of psychologists to do their job. Or perhaps more accurately, their complete FEAR that if they do their job, they'll lose their license to practice from the APA; which was taken over by the Church of LGBT in the 1970s & 80s. That's when the inmates took over the asylum which licenses the professionals who treat them. Conflict of interest leads to where we are today.
And it is interesting if you look at the suicide rates, which have increased a LOT over the last 50 or so years.
The suicide stats are staggering... http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdfSay little boy A grows up with a mommy whose husband cheats on her, maybe beats her, maybe he's just an all around asshole. Little boy A constantly hears mommy referring to daddy as "asshole," "loser," or whatnot. Perhaps mommy refers to ALL men as "assholes." Little boy A doesn't want to grow up being an "asshole." Does this make any sense? Is anyone out there grasping what I'm saying here?....Perhaps little girl A was abused by her stepfather, sexually. Being a "female" she feels as if she extremely vulnerable to abuse in a sexual manner. She hates being a female because of these underlying factors, she is vulnerable and the "weaker" sex. Hmmm? Now, little girl wants to be seen as powerful and strong, like a man....The issue is NOT gender. The issue is something much, much deeper. Changing and rearranging a person's gender is NOT going to solve these underlying issues. The important thing is to focus on what is the underlying issue and treating it with intensive psychiatric therapy.
Absolutely spot-on. That is the real, actual diagnosis of "gender dysphoria". And those concepts of hatred or fear of the unique qualities of one's own gender can get started very early in life. So early in fact that any person interviewed later would claim emphatically "I've always felt this way".
This BS on transgender is the manifestation of the complete FAILURE of psychologists to do their job. Or perhaps more accurately, their complete FEAR that if they do their job, they'll lose their license to practice from the APA; which was taken over by the Church of LGBT in the 1970s & 80s. That's when the inmates took over the asylum which licenses the professionals who treat them. Conflict of interest leads to where we are today.
And it is interesting if you look at the suicide rates, which have increased a LOT over the last 50 or so years.
Of course I care about women and children... Either way a transexual is going to make uneducated and bigoted men, women, and children uncomfortable. Whether it be a girl that looks like a dude in the ladies room or if its a guy that looks like a girl in the ladies room or vice versa in the mens room. Don't you agree?Understandable. Do you understand the counter arguement that by your proposal it causes a threat to transgenders? By putting people who look and act like ladies in the men's room and vice versa causes universal feelings of discomfort and invasion of privacy as well?Out of curiosity... Do you think undressing in a locker room next to a gay guy is an invasion of your privacy?You are not answering the question... Where does the feeling of loss of privacy come from?
Traditionally the separation of men and women has both social and biological reasons. The social aspect stems off attraction and pursuit on a sexual level. Ie. Boys like girls, boys see girls naked and go wild with hormones. A girls sexuality and how she presents it to the opposite sex is a very private thing.
It begs the question... Does a woman feel more comfortable undressing next to a gay man who has no attraction towards her or next to a gay woman who does have a sexual attraction towards her?
You seem to think everyone should have the same comfort/ privacy level.
That's absurd.
At a minimal, and yes a minimal level, the sign on the door should represent what the room is actually meant to be.
We have no duty to provide for anyone who uses cosmetic surgery to be something that IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE.
You want to be Elvis, and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to look like the King. Go for it, not a single person has a duty to treat you as anything more than what you were before wasting that money.
If I choose to enter a locker room with the sign on the door "Men", I have been given adequate notice that my right to privacy is limited by that sign.
That is why the sign exists in the first place.
But you don't care about the women and little girls comfort at all, do you?
Of course I care about women and children... Either way a transexual is going to make uneducated and bigoted men, women, and children uncomfortable. Whether it be a girl that looks like a dude in the ladies room or if its a guy that looks like a girl in the ladies room or vice versa in the mens room. Don't you agree?Understandable. Do you understand the counter arguement that by your proposal it causes a threat to transgenders? By putting people who look and act like ladies in the men's room and vice versa causes universal feelings of discomfort and invasion of privacy as well?Out of curiosity... Do you think undressing in a locker room next to a gay guy is an invasion of your privacy?You seem to think everyone should have the same comfort/ privacy level.
That's absurd.
At a minimal, and yes a minimal level, the sign on the door should represent what the room is actually meant to be.
We have no duty to provide for anyone who uses cosmetic surgery to be something that IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE.
You want to be Elvis, and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to look like the King. Go for it, not a single person has a duty to treat you as anything more than what you were before wasting that money.
If I choose to enter a locker room with the sign on the door "Men", I have been given adequate notice that my right to privacy is limited by that sign.
That is why the sign exists in the first place.
But you don't care about the women and little girls comfort at all, do you?
Of course I care about women and children... Either way a transexual is going to make uneducated and bigoted men, women, and children uncomfortable. Whether it be a girl that looks like a dude in the ladies room or if its a guy that looks like a girl in the ladies room or vice versa in the mens room. Don't you agree?Understandable. Do you understand the counter arguement that by your proposal it causes a threat to transgenders? By putting people who look and act like ladies in the men's room and vice versa causes universal feelings of discomfort and invasion of privacy as well?Out of curiosity... Do you think undressing in a locker room next to a gay guy is an invasion of your privacy?You seem to think everyone should have the same comfort/ privacy level.
That's absurd.
At a minimal, and yes a minimal level, the sign on the door should represent what the room is actually meant to be.
We have no duty to provide for anyone who uses cosmetic surgery to be something that IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE.
You want to be Elvis, and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to look like the King. Go for it, not a single person has a duty to treat you as anything more than what you were before wasting that money.
If I choose to enter a locker room with the sign on the door "Men", I have been given adequate notice that my right to privacy is limited by that sign.
That is why the sign exists in the first place.
But you don't care about the women and little girls comfort at all, do you?
If somebody had a fear of hair do you think it would be absurd to cut off their hair? If somebody was scared of enclosed spaces would you lock them in an elevator? For some, facing their fear and learning how to cope is effective, for others with extreme cases of dysphoria and phobias, the best course is to contain the fear through providing a safer more comfortable environment for them.Not just recommending, sadly. Some of these children are having their puberty delayed. Puberty, the very process that results in a great many kids abandoning earlier notions that they might ID with the opposite gender. Interesting, isn't it?
Not to mention that drugging a child with powerful hormones results in a delay in brain and bone development; and that child under such a powerful mind-altering influence cannot of his own mind "decide which gender he wants to be" when that decision is already 3/4 of the way made for him by the prescribing MD & consenting parents (all of which belong in prison for child abuse).
I don't think I agree with imprisoning them. I think some of them think they are doing the right thing. It is inadvertent abuse, IMO.
Like someone else posted on another thread, there are other disorders very similar to transgenderism, such as people who want to cut off one of their limbs or people who want to be blind. Would we cut off their limbs and blind them to satisfy these delusions? No, we would not. We would think that is a horrible and macabre treatment for someone who is obviously delusional.
I'm a true blue Democrat through and through. It's called self awareness...look into it, hack.
It's not called "self-awareness" it's called being full of hate. That is why you are a "true blue Democrat". You hate that other people are free. You hate that other people have choice. You hate that you can't control others. And most of all, you hate heterosexuals. You are full of hate.
