Men in women's bathrooms

[TemplarKormac]

Vague and unspecific. How do you force a trans child into "conforming", Puppy?

Easy. Don't encourage him to be what he isn't.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And, naturally, you're still dodging the facts about what actual medical professionals recommend. What do they recommend, Puppy? (I'll give you a hint, it's the exact opposite of what you would say or do)

And speaking of puppies, what have you to say about this absurd trend?

 

[P@triot]

"Men in women's bathrooms". Is just as much a ridiculous rightwing lie today as it was in April.

Only an idiot libtard like CCJ could call a man going into a woman's facility a "lie". Only an idiot libtard like CCJ could ignore the medical science of chromosomes and declare that a person's severe mental illness decides their gender.

Here's a thought for the mentally limited like CCJ - I "identify" as 7-2" and 312lbs (neither of which are even remotely true in reality). Should my physician be forced to placed that as my official height and weight on my medical chart and provide me with med doses based on those numbers?

 

[P@triot]

Even liberals who haven't been radicalized yet are baffled as to the stupidity of their libtard brethren on this issue...

President Obama's decision to become a champion of transgender rights just might be enough to move a significant number of culturally conservative voters who have been troubled by Trump firmly into the anti-Democrat column.

Why did Obama do it? The answer isn't especially clear to me because I'm not the right kind of liberal.

In purely political terms, the decision seems inexplicable. The number of transgendered people in the United States is vanishingly small — something on the order of 0.3% of the population. Many people, like me, who have no problem with allowing transgendered adults to use the bathroom of their choice nonetheless think it misguided to indulge the decisions of children in this area. (Kids aren't allowed to drink alcohol, drive, vote, work, or volunteer to fight in the military, but they should be permitted to change their birth gender?)

Liberals' latest lazy cultural crusade

 

[Silhouette]

Here's a thought for the mentally limited like CCJ - I "identify" as 7-2" and 312lbs (neither of which are even remotely true in reality). Should my physician be forced to placed that as my official height and weight on my medical chart and provide me with med doses based on those numbers?

I was gonna say... what gynecologist sees a "transgender"? This stuff is going to come up in court. And they know it. And they are positively squirming about it in a panic.

 

[Tilly]

Interesting article from someone with direct experience:

Public Schools Force Kids Into Transgender Wars
In concert with transgender activists, the federal government is pushing schools across the country to let boys expose themselves to girls in showers, locker rooms, and bathrooms.

By Walt Heyer
DECEMBER 2, 2015
punish teachers who repeatedly refer to a transgender student with pronouns that correspond with biological reality. The American Civil Liberties Union is threatening schools across Missouri that are responding to the case of Lila Perry by requiring children to either use a unisex bathroom or the one that corresponds to their biological sex. Perry is a 17-year-old boy who wants to expose his male genitalia to girls in a school locker room and be protected by law because he says he is a girl.


State officials in North Carolina and Virginia are defending in federal court a local school board’s policy requiring children to use private bathrooms and locker rooms if they don’t want to use the facilities designated for their biological sex. And parents in Wisconsin seem to have won a temporary reprieve from having their grade-schoolers read the gender-confused missive “I Am Jazz” to “help” children understand a classmate who insists he has a “girl brain and a boy body.”

The Obama administration has made it clear it will put the weight of the federal government behind the aggressors in these conflicts by recently threatening to yank funds from Virginia and Illinois public schools that asked biological boys to dress and shower privately or in the boy’s facilities instead of next to girls.

We Will Only Accommodate People Who Agree with Us
School districts are now being told to accommodate transgender students by allowing simultaneous, unfettered access for gender-nonconforming boys to the showers, bathrooms, and dressing rooms occupied by girls, or lose their substantial federal funding.

The law should not protect boys exposing themselves to adolescent girls, even if the boy identifies as a girl.
The source of this craziness lies in how the Office of Civil Rights at the U.S. Department of Education has chosen to enforce Title IX, a federal law that originated in 1972 to prohibit discrimination in education opportunities on the basis of sex. The Obama administration has unilaterally expanded its interpretation of Title IX to provide the same anti-discrimination protection for gender-nonconforming students, i.e., those who act out as the opposite gender or sex.


I was a child gender pretender who started cross-dressing at five years of age. By the time I was 17, my desire to change genders was powerful. But I never had any desire to expose myself to girls at school. That is just sick. The law should not protect boys exposing themselves to adolescent girls, even if the boy identifies as a girl. Is utter insanity to assist, encourage, or provide trans kids access to cross-gender facilities. Girls need privacy, protection, and freedom from the “gender pretenders” in U.S. public schools.

It is sexual madness and social terrorism to deem the practices of sexual predators as acceptable and foist them on innocent children and adolescents. Why are we elevating the preferences of gender pretenders above those of all others, going far beyond political correctness to sexual madness in schools?

This Started a Long Time Ago
Let’s look back and unmask the founders who started the gender madness we see infiltrating into our public schools today. As I detail in “Paper Genders,” changing boys into girls started in the perverted minds of three abhorrent pedophile activists from the 1950s who were at the forefront of promoting a movement for sexual and gender experimentation:

• Alfred Kinsey, a “violently masochistic masturbation addict” who advocated sex between adult men and young boys and became a leading sexology professor.
• Harry Benjamin, an endocrinologist and sexologist who first coined the term “transsexual” in 1954 and for whom the transgender Standards of Care were originally named. Benjamin praised and publicly endorsed his close friend René Guyon, a well-known pedophile.
• John Money, a psychologist and pioneer of gender reassignment surgery and friend of Benjamin, who falsified his research and told his patients, young boys, to play sex games with each other and photographed them.

One of Benjamin’s first cases came as a referral from Kinsey, who asked for advice in the case of an effeminate boy who said he wanted to be a girl.


Benjamin first asked for a psychiatric evaluation of the boy. When several doctors examined him and were unable to agree whether Benjamin’s gender change was warranted, Benjamin, undeterred, moved forward. Benjamin provided female hormones and recommended feminizing surgeries.

The boy who wanted to be a girl never acknowledged if the treatment was effective or a failure.
For the surgeries, the boy and his parents traveled to Germany. They never contacted Benjamin again, so the outcome of the experimental treatment was never known and could have included depression, isolation, perhaps even suicide, given that these frequently happen today with transgenders. The boy who wanted to be a girl never acknowledged if the treatment was effective or a failure. We would think that if the hormones and surgery had been successful the boy would have told Benjamin or Benjamin would have tracked him down to report the success.

Later, colleague of Benjamin who administered hormone therapy at Benjamin’s clinic to 500 transgenders over a six-year period told an audience in 1979 that 80 percent of transgenders should not change genders. The doctor also told the audience there was too much unhappiness and too many suicides among Benjamin’s transgender clients.

Money, the third on our list and a highly respected psychologist, didn’t hide his advocacy of pedophilia. For example, The Journal of Pedophilia interviewed Money. He said it was fine, even desirable, for young boys to have sex with adult men. In private sessions at the prestigious Johns Hopkins Hospital, this pioneer of gender reassignment encouraged his first patients, twins, to play sex games with each other at age 7, and photographed them. Only a sick pervert would do this.


He said it was fine, even desirable, for young boys to have sex with adult men.
The boys’ parents had first contacted Money after a botched circumcision destroyed one boy’s penis. Money was able to convince the Reimers that the best penis repair would be surgically fabricating a female vagina so the boy would be a transsexual female. Money had a gender theory he wanted to prove and having twins to use as a test case was his perfect opportunity to make a name for himself in the medical community. Money monitored the twins’ progress for years and published his results about the success of the “John/Joan” reassignment in journal articles that garnered much acclaim.

The sad truth didn’t come out until much later: Money had falsified his findings. The transgender twin acted decidedly male and was depressed and suicidal by age 13. His desperate parents told him the whole story of his upbringing and the boy refused to take any more feminizing hormones and reverted to being a boy, David. But the damage had been done.

The transgender twin acted decidedly male and was depressed and suicidal by age 13.
As an adult, David went public about the folly of changing genders, just as I’m doing today, to discourage people from reassignment surgery. At age 38, David Reimer committed suicide. His brother had died two years earlier from a drug overdose. Money was directly responsible for the death of the Reimer boys because of his reckless disregard of the long-term consequences of the gender change for David and his pedophilic abuse of both boys for his self-gratification. Only Brian’s overdose at age 36 and David’s suicide at 38 could make the pain Money had caused them to finally go away.

The Reimers placed their trust in Money and had no idea what consequences would follow. These three pedophile activists unleashed our current social nightmare. Today, parents of young gender pretenders have been sold down this same river of madness and are unable to see the long-term consequences for their children of changing genders.

Law Should Protect Privacy and Innocence, Not Voyeurism
Public schools are becoming centers for gay, lesbian, and gender-pretender activists and only secondarily fulfilling their purpose as institutions for sound academics. The laws are being interpreted far beyond the original intent of non-discrimination based on gender to where they protect gender pretenders at the expense of the rights of non-trans kids. Gender pretenders are assured access to every school facility and program available to the opposite gender, up to and including girls-only dressing rooms and showers.

Every child’s rights to privacy and protection from exposure to inappropriate opposite-sex nudity are now in jeopardy.
Every child’s rights to privacy and protection from exposure to inappropriate opposite-sex nudity are now in jeopardy. According to these new legal interpretations, if you like your gender and want to keep your gender that’s fine, but you cannot keep your freedom, rights, or protections in public-school dressing rooms or restrooms. The current conflict of interest playing out in school locker rooms between girls born as girls and the self-acknowledged gender pretender trans-kids is real and it is not funny. Non-trans students have lost their right to privacy and parents have lost the freedom to parent and protect their children.

A young boy, by making the simple announcement “I was a boy, but now I’m a girl” can sashay his way into the girls’ restrooms and locker rooms in our schools. Keep in mind this boy still has his dangling boy parts. The accurate term for him is cross-dresser or transvestite. Supposedly the law protects his right to be in the girls’ locker room, to observe girls dressing and undressing, and to expose himself to the girls that are sharing the room.

Parents, pull your kids from school. It’s time for those who are able to home school or put their children in non-federally funded schools where sexual activism and inappropriate co-mingling of boys and girls in private spaces is not tolerated.

Now is the time to pass a law called “The Right to Privacy and Freedom Act” for non-transgender students. Make it punishable for a boy to expose his male genitalia to girls at any time, in any location on public school property, no exceptions.

Changing Genders Is Dangerous, Not Benign
I know from personal experience that changing genders is not harmless. I was told by the leading experts that a surgical change to female would bring relief from my intense psychological struggle. But I wasn’t told it can also tear a person’s life apart.

Studies show that people with gender issues also have other psychological issues 62.7 percent of the time.
Regret happens for a multitude of reasons. (See www.SexChangeRegret.com for some examples.) Studies show that people with gender issues also have other psychological issues 62.7 percent of the time. When the co-existing illness is treated, often the desire to change gender dissipates. By not treating the co-existing illnesses first and instead putting the patient through gender reassignment—hormones and surgery—the medical community does irrevocable harm to the patient’s body and long-lasting harm to his mind.

The harm is deeper for impressionable children and adolescents who experiment with gender-change behaviors and hormones or hormone blockers. Studies have shown that the majority of kids who are gender confused will grow out of it if they are left alone.

If you want your kids to have a psychologically healthy life, do not assist, encourage, or guide them toward a gender change. If they struggle with gender identity issues, do not take them to a psychologist who will push hormones and gender reassignment.

If you want your kids to have a psychologically healthy life, do not assist, encourage, or guide them toward a gender change.
In fact, the best thing you can do for your kid is to grab him or her by the hand and run as fast as you can the other way. Protect them from becoming one of the 41 percent of gender pretenders who attempt suicide like David Reimer or the many who will become lost and unaccounted for, like the effeminate boy who went off to Germany for surgery and was never heard from again. Fifty years of gender change insanity is long enough.

Gender pretenders—also known as trans-kids, crossdressers, or transvestites—should get counseling, not encouragement. Social terrorists who use child transvestites to advance an agenda of sexual perversion should be shut down, not be guiding public school policy.

It’s time for parents and kids to fight against the social terrorism of gender change. It’s time to take schools back from males who wish to expose themselves with impunity in the girls’ locker room.



Walt Heyer is an accomplished author and public speaker with a passion for mentoring individuals whose lives have been torn apart by unnecessary gender-change surgery.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You may have seen it but you obviously didn't look. Regardless of what gender she was born, you cannot tell she's not always been a woman and yet these silly RWNJ laws would require she use the men's room. That make sense to you?

I'm interested do you read your post before you click on "reply" button.

"Regardless of what gender she was born".

Please explain what gender is that?

Second, do you know what HB2 law is about?

Understanding Gender

One is born either male, or female. There is no in-between, there is no identifying as the opposite. Genetics will identify you as what you are, not what you think yourself to be.

Understand?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Its funny too...

When liberals want transgenders to use the bathroom of the gender they "identify" with, two things happen:

A) Privacy rights go out the window, or more aptly, get flushed down the toilet, and

B) Everything science has ever told us about the human body is suddenly incorrect.

Quod Erat Demonstandum

 

[Slade3200]

If we were a tribe made up of male hunters and female gathers but there were a few crossovers, that society can either embrace or reject the out layers.

outliers*

"If" and "were" are not good foundations for a position. We have a far more advanced social system. In that case it wouldn't matter, perhaps, because everyone has to eat. Social politics are the last thing on their minds. Back here in the real world, people have a reasonable expectation to privacy, which you want to circumvent by forcing our society to embrace such outliers.

You reject them because of anatomy, we accept them based on their identity.

I reject them for both. If they have the wrong anatomy in the women's bathroom, they need to get the hell out. I don't care what their "identity" is. Spare me the "angel of mercy" routine.

What's the harm in letting people just be who they want to be?

Because it could be potentially dangerous? I wonder what would happen if we let a murdering psychopath be who he wants to be?

So what? That has nothing to do with the argument.

It has plenty to do with it. You just don't want to acknowledge the facts.

You are the one bringing "danger" into the equation... They said the same thing with talks about integrating with the negros back in the day. Criminals are criminals, its a separate discussion

 

[Slade3200]

If we were a tribe made up of male hunters and female gathers but there were a few crossovers, that society can either embrace or reject the out layers.

outliers*

"If" and "were" are not good foundations for a position. We have a far more advanced social system. In that case it wouldn't matter, perhaps, because everyone has to eat. Social politics are the last thing on their minds. Back here in the real world, people have a reasonable expectation to privacy, which you want to circumvent by forcing our society to embrace such outliers.

You reject them because of anatomy, we accept them based on their identity.

I reject them for both. If they have the wrong anatomy in the women's bathroom, they need to get the hell out. I don't care what their "identity" is. Spare me the "angel of mercy" routine.

What's the harm in letting people just be who they want to be?

Because it could be potentially dangerous? I wonder what would happen if we let a murdering psychopath be who he wants to be?

So what? That has nothing to do with the argument.

It has plenty to do with it. You just don't want to acknowledge the facts.

I guess the whole concept of sociology over biology went right over your head

 

[TemplarKormac]

They said the same thing with talks about integrating with the negros back in the day.

So? Blacks wanted the right to use the same restrooms as whites did, I don't think they wanted the right to use the bathroom which matched their gender identity.

Your argument is flawed.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I guess the whole concept of sociology over biology went right over your head

Stupidity usually does just that.

Excuse me.

 

[Slade3200]

Its funny too...

When liberals want transgenders to use the bathroom of the gender they "identify" with, two things happen:

A) Privacy rights go out the window, or more aptly, get flushed down the toilet, and

B) Everything science has ever told us about the human body is suddenly incorrect.

Quod Erat Demonstandum

The proposed actions from the liberals is geared towards increasing privacy and promoting self expression. For people who understand and accept what transgenders are it does both. For conservatives who don't understand or accept transgenders, their privacy is violated in whichever restroom the trans uses. It's a lose lose...
It's expression over oppression.

 

[Slade3200]

They said the same thing with talks about integrating with the negros back in the day.

So? Blacks wanted the right to use the same restrooms as whites did, I don't think they wanted the right to use the bathroom which matched their gender identity.

Your argument is flawed.

My argument isn't comparing the two as the same... It's pointing out the same speech, rhetoric and fear tactics used by opposers in both situations

 

[P@triot]

What do doctors recommend?

What do doctors recommend wytchy? They recommend people like you be arrested and charged with child abuse.

The American College of Pediatricians recently issued a temporary position statement on so-called gender identity disorder, or gender dysphoria. A full statement will be issued this summer. The temporary statement is prefaced with the following: The American College of Pediatricians urges educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts — not ideology — determine reality.

The statement goes on to address parents giving children dangerous puberty blockers to impersonate the opposite sex. This practice requires cross-sex hormones into late adolescence, which are associated with health risks like high blood pressure, blood clots, strokes and cancer.

Perhaps the most disturbing part of the statement is that conditioning children into believing a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse.

American College of Pediatricians: Pushing Gender Ideology Is ‘Child Abuse’

 

[P@triot]

Funny that you didn't link to said articles.

But I did.... You want links wytchy? Here you go - have yourself some links...

What do doctors recommend wytchy? They recommend people like you be arrested and charged with child abuse.

The American College of Pediatricians recently issued a temporary position statement on so-called gender identity disorder, or gender dysphoria. A full statement will be issued this summer. The temporary statement is prefaced with the following: The American College of Pediatricians urges educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts — not ideology — determine reality.

The statement goes on to address parents giving children dangerous puberty blockers to impersonate the opposite sex. This practice requires cross-sex hormones into late adolescence, which are associated with health risks like high blood pressure, blood clots, strokes and cancer.

Perhaps the most disturbing part of the statement is that conditioning children into believing a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse.

American College of Pediatricians: Pushing Gender Ideology Is ‘Child Abuse’

 

[P@triot]

Actual medical professionals with years of experience, say like the APA recommend what treatment?

What do real professionals not intimidated by false accusations by the gay lynch mob recommend??? They recommend people like you be arrested and charged with child abuse.

The American College of Pediatricians recently issued a temporary position statement on so-called gender identity disorder, or gender dysphoria. A full statement will be issued this summer. The temporary statement is prefaced with the following: The American College of Pediatricians urges educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts — not ideology — determine reality.

The statement goes on to address parents giving children dangerous puberty blockers to impersonate the opposite sex. This practice requires cross-sex hormones into late adolescence, which are associated with health risks like high blood pressure, blood clots, strokes and cancer.

Perhaps the most disturbing part of the statement is that conditioning children into believing a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse.

American College of Pediatricians: Pushing Gender Ideology Is ‘Child Abuse’

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Jack4jill]

You may have seen it but you obviously didn't look. Regardless of what gender she was born, you cannot tell she's not always been a woman and yet these silly RWNJ laws would require she use the men's room. That make sense to you?

I'm interested do you read your post before you click on "reply" button.

"Regardless of what gender she was born".

Please explain what gender is that?

Second, do you know what HB2 law is about?

Understanding Gender

One is born either male, or female. There is no in-between, there is no identifying as the opposite. Genetics will identify you as what you are, not what you think yourself to be.

Understand?

Crap, total.

Learn biology. The links have been posted. You are a simpleton, reality is not.

 

[Slade3200]

Actual medical professionals with years of experience, say like the APA recommend what treatment?

What do real professionals not intimidated by false accusations by the gay lynch mob recommend??? They recommend people like you be arrested and charged with child abuse.

The American College of Pediatricians recently issued a temporary position statement on so-called gender identity disorder, or gender dysphoria. A full statement will be issued this summer. The temporary statement is prefaced with the following: The American College of Pediatricians urges educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts — not ideology — determine reality.

The statement goes on to address parents giving children dangerous puberty blockers to impersonate the opposite sex. This practice requires cross-sex hormones into late adolescence, which are associated with health risks like high blood pressure, blood clots, strokes and cancer.

Perhaps the most disturbing part of the statement is that conditioning children into believing a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse.

American College of Pediatricians: Pushing Gender Ideology Is ‘Child Abuse’

So, You're implying that medical professionals are lying because they are scared of the relatively small LGBT "lynch mob"? Really? And what about the bigger, louder, and much more powerful Christian/evangelical mob yelling exactly what you're spouting? You think they have less influence than the LGBTs?