Men in women's bathrooms

[ChrisL]

Yeah, I think it is a good observation and part of the nature of Liberalism. Conservatives can easily justify much of their agenda as they want to impose their personal values on the rest of the public.

It's funny how people view the world so differently through each individual set of eyes. I see the complete opposite of what you see. I see liberals desperate to impose their values on all of society. Liberals are all about the "collective". Conservatives are all about the individual.

For instance - conservatives strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment. But I've never heard any of them suggest that every American should be forced to carry a gun. Liberals strongly oppose the 2nd Amendment. But rather than simply not carrying a gun themselves, they want to make it so that nobody can carry a gun.

Conservatives strongly believe whatever you do in your bedroom is your business. Liberals want to bring everything out of the bedroom and force homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors on all of society. Legalize gay marriage. Have gay pride parades. Get it in everyone's face and demand that they accept it.

Pick an issue - and liberals want it to be forced on society (such as transgenders and bathrooms). Conservatives meanwhile want government out of everyone and want every thing to be determined by the individual (other than absurd things like a male invading the private facilities of females).

Yes it is amusing how we all live in a different reality and can view the exact same situation so differently... One of my reasons for disputing the validity of religion, but thats a different discussion... I'll take a stab at some of your comments:

I'm glad you brought up the gun issue, I do find it amusing that the Right uses the "it's not the gun its the criminal behind the gun" argument, right? No law is going to stop a criminal getting and using a gun... Yet, with the bathroom situation they think a law is going to stop a child molesting pervert from sneaking into a bathroom and molesting little kids. I just think that argument is a joke, and it is ironic when the two are compared.

Gay marriage... Well that is easily a matter of equal rights. Perhaps the "in your face" aspect and forced acceptance is a valid objection, but that is the nature of protest, we saw that with both the blacks and women's rights movements as well. It's unfortunate that these groups need to go to these extremes to be heard and get action to be taken. But if you truly cared for individual rights as you claim the Right does, then you wouldn't oppress or deny gays from their right to live how they want to live... Instead you say, live they way you want in private but there is no place for it in our public society... It doesn't get much more oppressive than that.

I'll restate, without the loud "in your face" demonstrations and government action, then blacks and women would still not be able to vote, or have opportunity to work and live as an equal in our country. If our people and businesses practiced true actions of liberty, equality and respect for the races, religions, and individual differences we have with each other then there wouldn't be need for government intervention. We have proven to be piss poor at this, thus the debates, protests, rules and regulations that end up evolving our society.

They aren't treated unequally because that would be illegal and, as everyone knows, lawsuits would abound!

 

[ChrisL]

Then what is it? It is a genetic disease.

No, it's not a disease. That's like the herpes that makes up your mind.

It is a disease. Whether you like it or not. It is a genetic disease. The term "disease" is very broad and covers a large variety of syndromes and anomalies.

No, things like Down Syndrome are not diseases.

Transgendered people are like 5x more likely to have STDs.

Very doubtful.

More like 9x more likely to have AIDS/HIV.

 

[Slade3200]

Yeah, I think it is a good observation and part of the nature of Liberalism. Conservatives can easily justify much of their agenda as they want to impose their personal values on the rest of the public.

It's funny how people view the world so differently through each individual set of eyes. I see the complete opposite of what you see. I see liberals desperate to impose their values on all of society. Liberals are all about the "collective". Conservatives are all about the individual.

For instance - conservatives strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment. But I've never heard any of them suggest that every American should be forced to carry a gun. Liberals strongly oppose the 2nd Amendment. But rather than simply not carrying a gun themselves, they want to make it so that nobody can carry a gun.

Conservatives strongly believe whatever you do in your bedroom is your business. Liberals want to bring everything out of the bedroom and force homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors on all of society. Legalize gay marriage. Have gay pride parades. Get it in everyone's face and demand that they accept it.

Pick an issue - and liberals want it to be forced on society (such as transgenders and bathrooms). Conservatives meanwhile want government out of everyone and want every thing to be determined by the individual (other than absurd things like a male invading the private facilities of females).

That's a good point. They do try to force themselves onto everyone else. It gets tiresome.

It may feel that way if you are in the traditional majority... If you are a minority i'm sure it feels quite the opposite.

 

[Jack4jill]

No, it's not a disease. That's like the herpes that makes up your mind.

It is a disease. Whether you like it or not. It is a genetic disease. The term "disease" is very broad and covers a large variety of syndromes and anomalies.

No, things like Down Syndrome are not diseases.

Transgendered people are like 5x more likely to have STDs.

Very doubtful.

More like 9x more likely to have AIDS/HIV.

Prove it?

 

[ChrisL]

Yeah, I think it is a good observation and part of the nature of Liberalism. Conservatives can easily justify much of their agenda as they want to impose their personal values on the rest of the public.

It's funny how people view the world so differently through each individual set of eyes. I see the complete opposite of what you see. I see liberals desperate to impose their values on all of society. Liberals are all about the "collective". Conservatives are all about the individual.

For instance - conservatives strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment. But I've never heard any of them suggest that every American should be forced to carry a gun. Liberals strongly oppose the 2nd Amendment. But rather than simply not carrying a gun themselves, they want to make it so that nobody can carry a gun.

Conservatives strongly believe whatever you do in your bedroom is your business. Liberals want to bring everything out of the bedroom and force homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors on all of society. Legalize gay marriage. Have gay pride parades. Get it in everyone's face and demand that they accept it.

Pick an issue - and liberals want it to be forced on society (such as transgenders and bathrooms). Conservatives meanwhile want government out of everyone and want every thing to be determined by the individual (other than absurd things like a male invading the private facilities of females).

That's a good point. They do try to force themselves onto everyone else. It gets tiresome.

It may feel that way if you are in the traditional majority... If you are a minority i'm sure it feels quite the opposite.

How so? Nobody forces them to do anything. Their problems are their own.

 

[Jack4jill]

Yeah, I think it is a good observation and part of the nature of Liberalism. Conservatives can easily justify much of their agenda as they want to impose their personal values on the rest of the public.

It's funny how people view the world so differently through each individual set of eyes. I see the complete opposite of what you see. I see liberals desperate to impose their values on all of society. Liberals are all about the "collective". Conservatives are all about the individual.

For instance - conservatives strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment. But I've never heard any of them suggest that every American should be forced to carry a gun. Liberals strongly oppose the 2nd Amendment. But rather than simply not carrying a gun themselves, they want to make it so that nobody can carry a gun.

Conservatives strongly believe whatever you do in your bedroom is your business. Liberals want to bring everything out of the bedroom and force homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors on all of society. Legalize gay marriage. Have gay pride parades. Get it in everyone's face and demand that they accept it.

Pick an issue - and liberals want it to be forced on society (such as transgenders and bathrooms). Conservatives meanwhile want government out of everyone and want every thing to be determined by the individual (other than absurd things like a male invading the private facilities of females).

That's a good point. They do try to force themselves onto everyone else. It gets tiresome.

It may feel that way if you are in the traditional majority... If you are a minority i'm sure it feels quite the opposite.

How so? Nobody forces them to do anything. Their problems are their own.

People like you are their main problem.

 

[ChrisL]

It is a disease. Whether you like it or not. It is a genetic disease. The term "disease" is very broad and covers a large variety of syndromes and anomalies.

No, things like Down Syndrome are not diseases.

Transgendered people are like 5x more likely to have STDs.

Very doubtful.

More like 9x more likely to have AIDS/HIV.

Prove it?

Since you are too stupid to use Google. . . .

Let me google that for you

 

[Slade3200]

Yeah, I think it is a good observation and part of the nature of Liberalism. Conservatives can easily justify much of their agenda as they want to impose their personal values on the rest of the public.

It's funny how people view the world so differently through each individual set of eyes. I see the complete opposite of what you see. I see liberals desperate to impose their values on all of society. Liberals are all about the "collective". Conservatives are all about the individual.

For instance - conservatives strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment. But I've never heard any of them suggest that every American should be forced to carry a gun. Liberals strongly oppose the 2nd Amendment. But rather than simply not carrying a gun themselves, they want to make it so that nobody can carry a gun.

Conservatives strongly believe whatever you do in your bedroom is your business. Liberals want to bring everything out of the bedroom and force homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors on all of society. Legalize gay marriage. Have gay pride parades. Get it in everyone's face and demand that they accept it.

Pick an issue - and liberals want it to be forced on society (such as transgenders and bathrooms). Conservatives meanwhile want government out of everyone and want every thing to be determined by the individual (other than absurd things like a male invading the private facilities of females).

Yes it is amusing how we all live in a different reality and can view the exact same situation so differently... One of my reasons for disputing the validity of religion, but thats a different discussion... I'll take a stab at some of your comments:

I'm glad you brought up the gun issue, I do find it amusing that the Right uses the "it's not the gun its the criminal behind the gun" argument, right? No law is going to stop a criminal getting and using a gun... Yet, with the bathroom situation they think a law is going to stop a child molesting pervert from sneaking into a bathroom and molesting little kids. I just think that argument is a joke, and it is ironic when the two are compared.

Gay marriage... Well that is easily a matter of equal rights. Perhaps the "in your face" aspect and forced acceptance is a valid objection, but that is the nature of protest, we saw that with both the blacks and women's rights movements as well. It's unfortunate that these groups need to go to these extremes to be heard and get action to be taken. But if you truly cared for individual rights as you claim the Right does, then you wouldn't oppress or deny gays from their right to live how they want to live... Instead you say, live they way you want in private but there is no place for it in our public society... It doesn't get much more oppressive than that.

I'll restate, without the loud "in your face" demonstrations and government action, then blacks and women would still not be able to vote, or have opportunity to work and live as an equal in our country. If our people and businesses practiced true actions of liberty, equality and respect for the races, religions, and individual differences we have with each other then there wouldn't be need for government intervention. We have proven to be piss poor at this, thus the debates, protests, rules and regulations that end up evolving our society.

They aren't treated unequally because that would be illegal and, as everyone knows, lawsuits would abound!

This statement wasn't specific to the Trans discussion. It was in response to the ideological differences between Liberals and Conservatives. You aren't claiming that Blacks, Women, and Gays were never treated unequally are you? Just look at history... Unequal and unfair treatment wasn't always illegal, it was common practice until the oppressed got loud enough to be heard.

 

[ChrisL]

Yeah, I think it is a good observation and part of the nature of Liberalism. Conservatives can easily justify much of their agenda as they want to impose their personal values on the rest of the public.

It's funny how people view the world so differently through each individual set of eyes. I see the complete opposite of what you see. I see liberals desperate to impose their values on all of society. Liberals are all about the "collective". Conservatives are all about the individual.

For instance - conservatives strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment. But I've never heard any of them suggest that every American should be forced to carry a gun. Liberals strongly oppose the 2nd Amendment. But rather than simply not carrying a gun themselves, they want to make it so that nobody can carry a gun.

Conservatives strongly believe whatever you do in your bedroom is your business. Liberals want to bring everything out of the bedroom and force homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors on all of society. Legalize gay marriage. Have gay pride parades. Get it in everyone's face and demand that they accept it.

Pick an issue - and liberals want it to be forced on society (such as transgenders and bathrooms). Conservatives meanwhile want government out of everyone and want every thing to be determined by the individual (other than absurd things like a male invading the private facilities of females).

That's a good point. They do try to force themselves onto everyone else. It gets tiresome.

It may feel that way if you are in the traditional majority... If you are a minority i'm sure it feels quite the opposite.

How so? Nobody forces them to do anything. Their problems are their own.

People like you are their main problem.

How so? I should be irrelevant to them. Not my problem.

 

[ChrisL]

Yeah, I think it is a good observation and part of the nature of Liberalism. Conservatives can easily justify much of their agenda as they want to impose their personal values on the rest of the public.

It's funny how people view the world so differently through each individual set of eyes. I see the complete opposite of what you see. I see liberals desperate to impose their values on all of society. Liberals are all about the "collective". Conservatives are all about the individual.

For instance - conservatives strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment. But I've never heard any of them suggest that every American should be forced to carry a gun. Liberals strongly oppose the 2nd Amendment. But rather than simply not carrying a gun themselves, they want to make it so that nobody can carry a gun.

Conservatives strongly believe whatever you do in your bedroom is your business. Liberals want to bring everything out of the bedroom and force homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors on all of society. Legalize gay marriage. Have gay pride parades. Get it in everyone's face and demand that they accept it.

Pick an issue - and liberals want it to be forced on society (such as transgenders and bathrooms). Conservatives meanwhile want government out of everyone and want every thing to be determined by the individual (other than absurd things like a male invading the private facilities of females).

Yes it is amusing how we all live in a different reality and can view the exact same situation so differently... One of my reasons for disputing the validity of religion, but thats a different discussion... I'll take a stab at some of your comments:

I'm glad you brought up the gun issue, I do find it amusing that the Right uses the "it's not the gun its the criminal behind the gun" argument, right? No law is going to stop a criminal getting and using a gun... Yet, with the bathroom situation they think a law is going to stop a child molesting pervert from sneaking into a bathroom and molesting little kids. I just think that argument is a joke, and it is ironic when the two are compared.

Gay marriage... Well that is easily a matter of equal rights. Perhaps the "in your face" aspect and forced acceptance is a valid objection, but that is the nature of protest, we saw that with both the blacks and women's rights movements as well. It's unfortunate that these groups need to go to these extremes to be heard and get action to be taken. But if you truly cared for individual rights as you claim the Right does, then you wouldn't oppress or deny gays from their right to live how they want to live... Instead you say, live they way you want in private but there is no place for it in our public society... It doesn't get much more oppressive than that.

I'll restate, without the loud "in your face" demonstrations and government action, then blacks and women would still not be able to vote, or have opportunity to work and live as an equal in our country. If our people and businesses practiced true actions of liberty, equality and respect for the races, religions, and individual differences we have with each other then there wouldn't be need for government intervention. We have proven to be piss poor at this, thus the debates, protests, rules and regulations that end up evolving our society.

They aren't treated unequally because that would be illegal and, as everyone knows, lawsuits would abound!

This statement wasn't specific to the Trans discussion. It was in response to the ideological differences between Liberals and Conservatives. You aren't claiming that Blacks, Women, and Gays were never treated unequally are you? Just look at history... Unequal and unfair treatment wasn't always illegal, it was common practice until the oppressed got loud enough to be heard.

Yes, I am sticking to the topic of the thread. So how are transgendered people treated unequally in accordance with our laws?

 

[P@triot]

Yeah, I think it is a good observation and part of the nature of Liberalism. Conservatives can easily justify much of their agenda as they want to impose their personal values on the rest of the public.

It's funny how people view the world so differently through each individual set of eyes. I see the complete opposite of what you see. I see liberals desperate to impose their values on all of society. Liberals are all about the "collective". Conservatives are all about the individual.

For instance - conservatives strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment. But I've never heard any of them suggest that every American should be forced to carry a gun. Liberals strongly oppose the 2nd Amendment. But rather than simply not carrying a gun themselves, they want to make it so that nobody can carry a gun.

Conservatives strongly believe whatever you do in your bedroom is your business. Liberals want to bring everything out of the bedroom and force homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors on all of society. Legalize gay marriage. Have gay pride parades. Get it in everyone's face and demand that they accept it.

Pick an issue - and liberals want it to be forced on society (such as transgenders and bathrooms). Conservatives meanwhile want government out of everyone and want every thing to be determined by the individual (other than absurd things like a male invading the private facilities of females).

Yes it is amusing how we all live in a different reality and can view the exact same situation so differently... One of my reasons for disputing the validity of religion, but thats a different discussion... I'll take a stab at some of your comments:

I'm glad you brought up the gun issue, I do find it amusing that the Right uses the "it's not the gun its the criminal behind the gun" argument, right? No law is going to stop a criminal getting and using a gun... Yet, with the bathroom situation they think a law is going to stop a child molesting pervert from sneaking into a bathroom and molesting little kids. I just think that argument is a joke, and it is ironic when the two are compared.

Gay marriage... Well that is easily a matter of equal rights. Perhaps the "in your face" aspect and forced acceptance is a valid objection, but that is the nature of protest, we saw that with both the blacks and women's rights movements as well. It's unfortunate that these groups need to go to these extremes to be heard and get action to be taken. But if you truly cared for individual rights as you claim the Right does, then you wouldn't oppress or deny gays from their right to live how they want to live... Instead you say, live they way you want in private but there is no place for it in our public society... It doesn't get much more oppressive than that.

I'll restate, without the loud "in your face" demonstrations and government action, then blacks and women would still not be able to vote, or have opportunity to work and live as an equal in our country. If our people and businesses practiced true actions of liberty, equality and respect for the races, religions, and individual differences we have with each other then there wouldn't be need for government intervention. We have proven to be piss poor at this, thus the debates, protests, rules and regulations that end up evolving our society.

They aren't treated unequally because that would be illegal and, as everyone knows, lawsuits would abound!

This statement wasn't specific to the Trans discussion. It was in response to the ideological differences between Liberals and Conservatives. You aren't claiming that Blacks, Women, and Gays were never treated unequally are you? Just look at history... Unequal and unfair treatment wasn't always illegal, it was common practice until the oppressed got loud enough to be heard.

Yes, I am sticking to the topic of the thread. So how are transgendered people treated unequally in accordance with our laws?

They aren't. At all. Which is why J4J can't debate you at all!

 

[Jack4jill]

No, things like Down Syndrome are not diseases.

Transgendered people are like 5x more likely to have STDs.

Very doubtful.

More like 9x more likely to have AIDS/HIV.

Prove it?

Since you are too stupid to use Google. . . .

Let me google that for you

And the first link says, we don't have the data.

Fail.

 

[Jack4jill]

It's funny how people view the world so differently through each individual set of eyes. I see the complete opposite of what you see. I see liberals desperate to impose their values on all of society. Liberals are all about the "collective". Conservatives are all about the individual.

For instance - conservatives strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment. But I've never heard any of them suggest that every American should be forced to carry a gun. Liberals strongly oppose the 2nd Amendment. But rather than simply not carrying a gun themselves, they want to make it so that nobody can carry a gun.

Conservatives strongly believe whatever you do in your bedroom is your business. Liberals want to bring everything out of the bedroom and force homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors on all of society. Legalize gay marriage. Have gay pride parades. Get it in everyone's face and demand that they accept it.

Pick an issue - and liberals want it to be forced on society (such as transgenders and bathrooms). Conservatives meanwhile want government out of everyone and want every thing to be determined by the individual (other than absurd things like a male invading the private facilities of females).

That's a good point. They do try to force themselves onto everyone else. It gets tiresome.

It may feel that way if you are in the traditional majority... If you are a minority i'm sure it feels quite the opposite.

How so? Nobody forces them to do anything. Their problems are their own.

People like you are their main problem.

How so? I should be irrelevant to them. Not my problem.

Yes you should be, but you aren't.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Bringing it back to the transgender issue... I personally don't understand and still feel a little uncomfortable around transgenders, the whole thing weirds me out. I would feel uncomfortable sending my children to a school if the majority of kids were gay or transgender... However, my principles, keep me from imposing my personal feelings to oppress the way of life for other individuals that don't share my reality.

So, if you have a teenage daughter in high school or middle school, and a mentally-ill teenage boy who goes to the same school, and claims to “identify as a girl” insists on using the same locker/shower room with your daughter, would you stand up against that and protect your daughter (as any real man has an obligation and responsibility to do) or would you cave in and allow it, because to do otherwise would be “…imposing my personal feelings to oppress the way of life for other individuals that don't share my reality”?

Would you allow your daughter to be forced to undress and shower with “Lila” Perry, or would you protect her?

 

[ChrisL]

Transgendered people are like 5x more likely to have STDs.

Very doubtful.

More like 9x more likely to have AIDS/HIV.

Prove it?

Since you are too stupid to use Google. . . .

Let me google that for you

And the first link says, we don't have the data.

Fail.

You dumb ass. Oh, and let's correct that to 49% more likely to have HIV.

Transgender people are among the groups most affected by the HIV epidemic. The term ‘transgender’ refers to people whose gender identity and expression are different to the social expectations of gender. They may see themselves as male, female, gender non-conformist, or one of many other gender-variant categories. There are an estimated 15 million transgender people living around the world.1

The global picture of HIV among transgender people is varied – with HIV prevalence ranging from 8% to 68%.2 Transgender people are among the groups most affected by HIV, particularly in Latin America and Asia and the Pacific regions.

Generally, HIV prevalence among transgender women (people who are born as men but identify as being women) is higher than transgender men (people who are born as women but identify as being men). However, very little is known about transgender men and their vulnerability to HIV. Globally, it is estimated that around 19% of transgender women are living with HIV.3They are also 49 times more likely to acquire HIV then all adults.4

- See more at: Transgender people and HIV/AIDS | AVERT

 

[P@triot]

No, that's you, making a big fucking deal about a small population.

No, that would be you, making all kinds of wild claims that nobody with a brain would accept as reality. If you want to dress like a woman, go ahead. I am not obligated to you to accept you as "normal" or "healthy." I don't owe you anything.

Those with normal brians know we don't just have twp sexes, and two genders.

Normal 'brians'?
I'm almost afraid to ask

Normal brains are not as dumb as those here.

You mean "brians." Lol. You are like the STD of this message board. You are irritating and you never go away.

 

[Slade3200]

Yeah, I think it is a good observation and part of the nature of Liberalism. Conservatives can easily justify much of their agenda as they want to impose their personal values on the rest of the public.

It's funny how people view the world so differently through each individual set of eyes. I see the complete opposite of what you see. I see liberals desperate to impose their values on all of society. Liberals are all about the "collective". Conservatives are all about the individual.

For instance - conservatives strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment. But I've never heard any of them suggest that every American should be forced to carry a gun. Liberals strongly oppose the 2nd Amendment. But rather than simply not carrying a gun themselves, they want to make it so that nobody can carry a gun.

Conservatives strongly believe whatever you do in your bedroom is your business. Liberals want to bring everything out of the bedroom and force homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors on all of society. Legalize gay marriage. Have gay pride parades. Get it in everyone's face and demand that they accept it.

Pick an issue - and liberals want it to be forced on society (such as transgenders and bathrooms). Conservatives meanwhile want government out of everyone and want every thing to be determined by the individual (other than absurd things like a male invading the private facilities of females).

Yes it is amusing how we all live in a different reality and can view the exact same situation so differently... One of my reasons for disputing the validity of religion, but thats a different discussion... I'll take a stab at some of your comments:

I'm glad you brought up the gun issue, I do find it amusing that the Right uses the "it's not the gun its the criminal behind the gun" argument, right? No law is going to stop a criminal getting and using a gun... Yet, with the bathroom situation they think a law is going to stop a child molesting pervert from sneaking into a bathroom and molesting little kids. I just think that argument is a joke, and it is ironic when the two are compared.

Gay marriage... Well that is easily a matter of equal rights. Perhaps the "in your face" aspect and forced acceptance is a valid objection, but that is the nature of protest, we saw that with both the blacks and women's rights movements as well. It's unfortunate that these groups need to go to these extremes to be heard and get action to be taken. But if you truly cared for individual rights as you claim the Right does, then you wouldn't oppress or deny gays from their right to live how they want to live... Instead you say, live they way you want in private but there is no place for it in our public society... It doesn't get much more oppressive than that.

I'll restate, without the loud "in your face" demonstrations and government action, then blacks and women would still not be able to vote, or have opportunity to work and live as an equal in our country. If our people and businesses practiced true actions of liberty, equality and respect for the races, religions, and individual differences we have with each other then there wouldn't be need for government intervention. We have proven to be piss poor at this, thus the debates, protests, rules and regulations that end up evolving our society.

They aren't treated unequally because that would be illegal and, as everyone knows, lawsuits would abound!

This statement wasn't specific to the Trans discussion. It was in response to the ideological differences between Liberals and Conservatives. You aren't claiming that Blacks, Women, and Gays were never treated unequally are you? Just look at history... Unequal and unfair treatment wasn't always illegal, it was common practice until the oppressed got loud enough to be heard.

Yes, I am sticking to the topic of the thread. So how are transgendered people treated unequally in accordance with our laws?

They aren't, and the current laws or rules are now being written which will define what a transitions is... an inevitable step. They are however, misunderstood by a majority of people and carelessly characterized and mentally ill degenerate perverts, which isn't breaking any laws but it is a cultural problem that they hope to improve on through education, awareness and exposure.

 

[ChrisL]

Transgendered people are like 5x more likely to have STDs.

Very doubtful.

More like 9x more likely to have AIDS/HIV.

Prove it?

Since you are too stupid to use Google. . . .

Let me google that for you

And the first link says, we don't have the data.

Fail.

A 2009 report from the National Institutes of Health found that nearly a third of transgender Americans are HIV-positive. The study also indicated that many transgender women may not know their HIV status, due to a series of cultural, social, and economic barriers.

 

[Jack4jill]

Very doubtful.

More like 9x more likely to have AIDS/HIV.

Prove it?

Since you are too stupid to use Google. . . .

Let me google that for you

And the first link says, we don't have the data.

Fail.

You dumb ass. Oh, and let's correct that to 49% more likely to have HIV.

Transgender people are among the groups most affected by the HIV epidemic. The term ‘transgender’ refers to people whose gender identity and expression are different to the social expectations of gender. They may see themselves as male, female, gender non-conformist, or one of many other gender-variant categories. There are an estimated 15 million transgender people living around the world.1

The global picture of HIV among transgender people is varied – with HIV prevalence ranging from 8% to 68%.2 Transgender people are among the groups most affected by HIV, particularly in Latin America and Asia and the Pacific regions.

Generally, HIV prevalence among transgender women (people who are born as men but identify as being women) is higher than transgender men (people who are born as women but identify as being men). However, very little is known about transgender men and their vulnerability to HIV. Globally, it is estimated that around 19% of transgender women are living with HIV.3They are also 49 times more likely to acquire HIV then all adults.4

- See more at: Transgender people and HIV/AIDS | AVERT

Sex workers.

 

[ChrisL]

It's funny how people view the world so differently through each individual set of eyes. I see the complete opposite of what you see. I see liberals desperate to impose their values on all of society. Liberals are all about the "collective". Conservatives are all about the individual.

For instance - conservatives strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment. But I've never heard any of them suggest that every American should be forced to carry a gun. Liberals strongly oppose the 2nd Amendment. But rather than simply not carrying a gun themselves, they want to make it so that nobody can carry a gun.

Conservatives strongly believe whatever you do in your bedroom is your business. Liberals want to bring everything out of the bedroom and force homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors on all of society. Legalize gay marriage. Have gay pride parades. Get it in everyone's face and demand that they accept it.

Pick an issue - and liberals want it to be forced on society (such as transgenders and bathrooms). Conservatives meanwhile want government out of everyone and want every thing to be determined by the individual (other than absurd things like a male invading the private facilities of females).

Yes it is amusing how we all live in a different reality and can view the exact same situation so differently... One of my reasons for disputing the validity of religion, but thats a different discussion... I'll take a stab at some of your comments:

I'm glad you brought up the gun issue, I do find it amusing that the Right uses the "it's not the gun its the criminal behind the gun" argument, right? No law is going to stop a criminal getting and using a gun... Yet, with the bathroom situation they think a law is going to stop a child molesting pervert from sneaking into a bathroom and molesting little kids. I just think that argument is a joke, and it is ironic when the two are compared.

Gay marriage... Well that is easily a matter of equal rights. Perhaps the "in your face" aspect and forced acceptance is a valid objection, but that is the nature of protest, we saw that with both the blacks and women's rights movements as well. It's unfortunate that these groups need to go to these extremes to be heard and get action to be taken. But if you truly cared for individual rights as you claim the Right does, then you wouldn't oppress or deny gays from their right to live how they want to live... Instead you say, live they way you want in private but there is no place for it in our public society... It doesn't get much more oppressive than that.

I'll restate, without the loud "in your face" demonstrations and government action, then blacks and women would still not be able to vote, or have opportunity to work and live as an equal in our country. If our people and businesses practiced true actions of liberty, equality and respect for the races, religions, and individual differences we have with each other then there wouldn't be need for government intervention. We have proven to be piss poor at this, thus the debates, protests, rules and regulations that end up evolving our society.

They aren't treated unequally because that would be illegal and, as everyone knows, lawsuits would abound!

This statement wasn't specific to the Trans discussion. It was in response to the ideological differences between Liberals and Conservatives. You aren't claiming that Blacks, Women, and Gays were never treated unequally are you? Just look at history... Unequal and unfair treatment wasn't always illegal, it was common practice until the oppressed got loud enough to be heard.

Yes, I am sticking to the topic of the thread. So how are transgendered people treated unequally in accordance with our laws?

They aren't, and the current laws or rules are now being written which will define what a transitions is... an inevitable step. They are however, misunderstood by a majority of people and carelessly characterized and mentally ill degenerate perverts, which isn't breaking any laws but it is a cultural problem that they hope to improve on through education, awareness and exposure.

You mean exposing themselves in the ladies rooms?