Mexico Is the Main Election Problem, Not Russia

[BrokeLoser]

See what I mean? Them's some industrial strength blinders.

Nope...we only see you making a complete ass of yourself in public.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Voter Fraud is a Voting Rights violation because it erases other people's vote.
Blocking Voter ID laws makes it impossible to check for voter fraud.
The Democrats are against the Right to Vote.

 

[protectionist]

I love how Trumpsters get pissy when you call them out for fascism - yet they want to wall of our country with razorwire. I wonder if they can actually type this shit with a straight face?

What the hell does razor wire used to keep invaders out, have to do with fascism ?
It's not the way to call somebody a fascist, by describing how they defend their country.

 

[protectionist]

How many of those alleged 30 million illegal aliens have been convicted (or even charged) with voting in US elections? Oligarchs like Trump, Putin, and Carlos Slim are the enemies of democracy, not the millions of poor Mexican farmers that NAFTA pushed off their land and into the US.

But if those millions of poor Mexicans are voting in US elections, then yes they could be described as enemies of our democracy (as well as Carlos Slim, and all the Mexicans who engineer it).

And whether they are voting here not, it still is absurd to be all in a fit about Russia, when our election system is wide open to foreign intrusion, and we are occupied by 10s of millions of Mexicans.

What does it take to get our media and politicians to be talking about Mexico, and our porous border and election system ?

 

[protectionist]

 

[georgephillip]

How many of those alleged 30 million illegal aliens have been convicted (or even charged) with voting in US elections? Oligarchs like Trump, Putin, and Carlos Slim are the enemies of democracy, not the millions of poor Mexican farmers that NAFTA pushed off their land and into the US.

But if those millions of poor Mexicans are voting in US elections, then yes they could be described as enemies of our democracy (as well as Carlos Slim, and all the Mexicans who engineer it).

And whether they are voting here not, it still is absurd to be all in a fit about Russia, when our election system is wide open to foreign intrusion, and we are occupied by 10s of millions of Mexicans.

What does it take to get our media and politicians to be talking about Mexico, and our porous border and election system ?

Where's the evidence of tens of millions illegal Mexicans voting in US elections?

"Estimates in 2015 put the number of unauthorized immigrants at 11 million, representing 3.4% of the total U.S. population.[7]

"The population of unauthorized immigrants peaked in 2007, when it was at 12.2 million and 4% of the total U.S. population.[7][8]

"Since the Great Recession, more undocumented immigrants have left the United States than have entered it, and illegal border crossings are at the lowest levels they have been in decades.[9][10][11][12]

"In 2014, unauthorized immigrant adults have lived in the U.S. for a median of 13.6 years, with approximately two-thirds having lived in the U.S. for at least a decade.[7]

"In 2012, 52% were from Mexico, 15% from Central America, 12% from Asia, 6% from South America, 5% from the Caribbean, and another 5% from Europe and Canada."

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

 

[protectionist]

First of all the 11 million figure you give comes from Pew. But it could just as easily have come from DHS, CIS, the Urban Institute, or the Current Population Survey. They all use the same source - US census data. Red flag.

Problem is the census methodology is fundamentally flawed. To count illegals, they subtract the number of legal immigrants (estimated from those who answered surveys), from the number of foreign born residents (also estimated from those who answered surveys).

Plenty of reason to believe the census #s are wrong. Two analysts from Bear Stearns (Robert Justich and Betty Ng), in 2005, warned the census data undercounted the illegal population by about half.

Justich and NG discounted the census data because it relied on illegal aliens answering surveys. As Justich told the Wall St. Journal, "the assumption that illegal people will fill out a census form, is the most ridiculous concept I've ever heard of." ​

People who have left their families, paid money to smugglers, traveled thousands of miles, and broken American law to enter this country, don't have much incentive to fill out questionnaires from the US government.

Dispensing with the census' figures, the Bear Sterns analysts looked at remittances$$ from the US to Mexico. These are electronic money transfers recorded by a nation's central bank - not surveys of people who don't want to answer surveys. The analysts found that while the # of Mexicans living in the US was supposed to have grown by only 56% from1995 to 2003, remittances from the US to Mexico grew by almost 200%. even as the median weekly wage increased by just 10%.

The Bear Stearns report also compared the growth in housing permits and school enrollment with official population figures, in various immigrant enclaves. The combined population growth of Brunswick, Elizabeth, and Newark NJ, the census claimed was only 5.6% between 1990 and 2003. But housing permits in those immigrant bastions grew by more than 600%, and 80% of the new permits were for multiple dwellings.

In 2006, 2 Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalists, Donald Bartlett & James B. Steele, did a study for TIME magazine, and concluded that the number of illegal aliens coming into the US that year would be 3 million. Every major news oulet said it was 1 million (with the number miraculously going back down to 11 million by 2007).

Combining the numbers of all of these analysts, we easily get a number of 30 million, if not much more by 2018.

Robert Justice and Betty Ng, "The Underground Labor Force IS Rising to the Surface, Bear Stearns Asset Management , January 3, 2005, http://www.steinreport/BearStearnsStudy.pdf

In Counting Illegal Immigrants, Certain Assumptions Apply

Illegal Aliens: Who Left the Door Open?

Ann Coulter, Adios America!, 2015, pg. 71-75.

 

[georgephillip]

Combining the numbers of all of these analysts, we easily get a number of 30 million, if not much more by 2018.

Robert Justice and Betty Ng, "The Underground Labor Force IS Rising to the Surface, Bear Stearns Asset Management , January 3, 2005, http://www.steinreport/BearStearnsStudy.pdf

In Counting Illegal Immigrants, Certain Assumptions Apply

Illegal Aliens: Who Left the Door Open?

Ann Coulter, Adios America!, 2015, pg. 71-75.

Do you believe the US has already absorbed one quarter of the entire Mexican population?
"Ann Coulter wrongly claims that U.S. 'has already taken in one-fourth of Mexico's entire population'
By Jon Greenberg on Tuesday, June 2nd, 2015 at 4:36 p.m...."

"Coulter said that America has taken in one-quarter of the entire population of Mexico. Coulter based this on a study that counted all people of Mexican origin in the United States.

"But Coulter ignored that 65 percent of those were born in America and about a third came from families in which both parents were born in America. Their immigrant status lay at least two-generations in the past, and America couldn’t 'take them in' because they were already here.

"We rate this claim Pants on Fire."

Ann Coulter wrongly claims that U.S. 'has already taken in one-fourth of Mexico's entire population'

 

[dblack]

Mexicans are invading our country, scheming to work in our fields and mow our lawns for cheap. Those bastards. We must build a giant wall to protect us from the threat.

 

[sartre play]

Yes we have problems with both Mexico & Russia, in fact we are having problems with greed & corruption in our own government , problems with all the country's that we use to call friends. problems with the media, problems with fire & flood, that's a little to much to deal with , simple solution, focus all your energy on hating other Americans who belong to a different political party than yours.

 

[Siete]

poor lil RW whining bitches ... not enough balls to step up and say they hate F'n Mexicans so they just blame the entire ill's of the country on them ...

limp wrist Repukes crack me up -

 

[protectionist]

Combining the numbers of all of these analysts, we easily get a number of 30 million, if not much more by 2018.

Robert Justice and Betty Ng, "The Underground Labor Force IS Rising to the Surface, Bear Stearns Asset Management , January 3, 2005, http://www.steinreport/BearStearnsStudy.pdf

In Counting Illegal Immigrants, Certain Assumptions Apply

Illegal Aliens: Who Left the Door Open?

Ann Coulter, Adios America!, 2015, pg. 71-75.

Do you believe the US has already absorbed one quarter of the entire Mexican population?
"Ann Coulter wrongly claims that U.S. 'has already taken in one-fourth of Mexico's entire population'
By Jon Greenberg on Tuesday, June 2nd, 2015 at 4:36 p.m...."

"Coulter said that America has taken in one-quarter of the entire population of Mexico. Coulter based this on a study that counted all people of Mexican origin in the United States.

"But Coulter ignored that 65 percent of those were born in America and about a third came from families in which both parents were born in America. Their immigrant status lay at least two-generations in the past, and America couldn’t 'take them in' because they were already here.

"We rate this claim Pants on Fire."

Ann Coulter wrongly claims that U.S. 'has already taken in one-fourth of Mexico's entire population'

Next time you want to try to undermine a post, go to someplace else. Politifact is a joke. I don't accept anything from politiFARCE.

Politifact Is a Joke

 

[protectionist]

Yes we have problems with both Mexico & Russia, in fact we are having problems with greed & corruption in our own government , problems with all the country's that we use to call friends. problems with the media, problems with fire & flood, that's a little to much to deal with , simple solution, focus all your energy on hating other Americans who belong to a different political party than yours.

Or stopping them from destroying the country.

 

[georgephillip]

Combining the numbers of all of these analysts, we easily get a number of 30 million, if not much more by 2018.

Robert Justice and Betty Ng, "The Underground Labor Force IS Rising to the Surface, Bear Stearns Asset Management , January 3, 2005, http://www.steinreport/BearStearnsStudy.pdf

In Counting Illegal Immigrants, Certain Assumptions Apply

Illegal Aliens: Who Left the Door Open?

Ann Coulter, Adios America!, 2015, pg. 71-75.

Do you believe the US has already absorbed one quarter of the entire Mexican population?
"Ann Coulter wrongly claims that U.S. 'has already taken in one-fourth of Mexico's entire population'
By Jon Greenberg on Tuesday, June 2nd, 2015 at 4:36 p.m...."

"Coulter said that America has taken in one-quarter of the entire population of Mexico. Coulter based this on a study that counted all people of Mexican origin in the United States.

"But Coulter ignored that 65 percent of those were born in America and about a third came from families in which both parents were born in America. Their immigrant status lay at least two-generations in the past, and America couldn’t 'take them in' because they were already here.

"We rate this claim Pants on Fire."

Ann Coulter wrongly claims that U.S. 'has already taken in one-fourth of Mexico's entire population'

Next time you want to try to undermine a post, go to someplace else. Politifact is a joke. I don't accept anything from politiFARCE.

Politifact Is a Joke

You ducked my question.
Is Politifact's accuracy less than Coulter's in this matter?

Ann Coulter wrongly claims that U.S. 'has already taken in one-fourth of Mexico's entire population'

"Ann Coulter wrongly claims that U.S. 'has already taken in one-fourth of Mexico's entire population'"

 

[protectionist]

You ducked my question.
Is Politifact's accuracy less than Coulter's in this matter?

Ann Coulter wrongly claims that U.S. 'has already taken in one-fourth of Mexico's entire population'

"Ann Coulter wrongly claims that U.S. 'has already taken in one-fourth of Mexico's entire population'"

Ann Coulter may have gotten the numbers wrong, but her mistake might be an UNDERestimate of how much of Mexico's population the US has already taken in.
While Ann claimed it was 25%, the real number may be around 35 - 39%.

I base this on the Bear Stearns report combined with the TIME magazine study, arriving at the 30 million illegal aliens here in 2011, almost all of them from Mexico. That 30 million, plus the 15 million the US had "taken in" (legally) from Mexico, gives us about 45 million.

Since the population of Mexico was actually LESS in 2011, than the 120 million Ann said (it was 115.68 million), that gives us a figure of 39%.

 

[dblack]

Live in fear!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yep, Stalinist democrats are OPENLY colluding with Mexico to pervert and subvert American elections.

It IS treason.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Live in fear!

Don't fucking lie.

Simple concept.

 

[protectionist]

Yep, Stalinist democrats are OPENLY colluding with Mexico to pervert and subvert American elections.

It IS treason.

Without a doubt.

 

[dblack]

I propose that Trumpsters should each get their own personal wall that the can hide behind. Be better than fucking up the view for everyone else.