Michigan Lawmaker who opposed helmet laws dies in motorcycle crash

[JoeMoma]

Anyone who doesn't wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle is a damn fool.

Anyone who doesn't wear a seatbelt when driving a car is a damn fool.

The time required to engage either one is minimal and they increase greatly a person's chance of surviving an accident.

That being said, as a driver of cars and a onetime motorcycle enthusiast, I do not support mandatory laws for either. Never have, never will. Think of it as a way to weed out the dummies...

BUT...

If a state has mandatory seatbelt laws (and I think most, if not all, of them do) I believe they should also have mandatory helmet laws.

Maybe people should wear helmets in cars also.

 

[Rustic]

Slavery? Wearing a helmet is slavery? Are crosswalks the death penalty or what?

Forcing someone to wear a helmet under duress is slavery.

No it's not. There is no definition of slavery that involves motorcycle helmets. That is just a lame argument that makes you look like a kook. Go ask a trafficked female sex worker about calling helmet laws slavery. My, oh my what a privileged life we live in the States.

The only relevant question is whether you have control or are being controlled.

No, actually it's not. Do helmet laws save lives? Yes. Do helmet laws save money? Yes. See? Two questions right there and they are actually relevant to the conversation.

So, I'm assuming your are OK with marriage equality and transgenders using the bathroom they feel most comfortable in, correct?

Certainly.

Good.

You obviously have no idea what slavery is, as well what freedom is… LOL

 

[TNHarley]

Slavery? Wearing a helmet is slavery? Are crosswalks the death penalty or what?

Forcing someone to wear a helmet under duress is slavery.

No it's not. There is no definition of slavery that involves motorcycle helmets. That is just a lame argument that makes you look like a kook. Go ask a trafficked female sex worker about calling helmet laws slavery. My, oh my what a privileged life we live in the States.

The only relevant question is whether you have control or are being controlled.

No, actually it's not. Do helmet laws save lives? Yes. Do helmet laws save money? Yes. See? Two questions right there and they are actually relevant to the conversation.

So, I'm assuming your are OK with marriage equality and transgenders using the bathroom they feel most comfortable in, correct?

Certainly.

Good.

There is no definition of slavery that includes helmets? What kind of dumbass argument is that?

 

[Onyx]

Bet you guys have seen this cartoon before.

 

[TNHarley]

Anyone who doesn't wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle is a damn fool.

Anyone who doesn't wear a seatbelt when driving a car is a damn fool.

The time required to engage either one is minimal and they increase greatly a person's chance of surviving an accident.

That being said, as a driver of cars and a onetime motorcycle enthusiast, I do not support mandatory laws for either. Never have, never will. Think of it as a way to weed out the dummies...

BUT...

If a state has mandatory seatbelt laws (and I think most, if not all, of them do) I believe they should also have mandatory helmet laws.

I had a wreck one night and the trooper told me if I was wearing a seatbelt I probably would have died.
Food for thought

 

[westwall]

Ahhhh, but we can though. I would have no problem calling for legislation that does away with helmet laws.

Your call for legislation is worthless.

It is difficult enough to gain sufficient outcry for anything, and it certainly is not going to work for helmet laws.

Have fun with that grassroots campaign though. Maybe if you try really hard it will become a referendum...

Stranger things have happened.

 

[SwimExpert]

Helmets, leathers and boots help a lot when you get sideswiped and slide about 50 yards on a hardtop road. The road acts like a cabbage grater on bare skin or a bare head.

Sure. But to each person their own chosen risks.

 

[TNHarley]

Anyone who doesn't wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle is a damn fool.

Anyone who doesn't wear a seatbelt when driving a car is a damn fool.

The time required to engage either one is minimal and they increase greatly a person's chance of surviving an accident.

That being said, as a driver of cars and a onetime motorcycle enthusiast, I do not support mandatory laws for either. Never have, never will. Think of it as a way to weed out the dummies...

BUT...

If a state has mandatory seatbelt laws (and I think most, if not all, of them do) I believe they should also have mandatory helmet laws.

If you want to prolong lives why don't you make drivers of cars wear a helmet , fire suit......



If it is good enough for F1, Nasscar, Indy car..why do we ignore the safety?

Why is it funny?

Because it is inconvenient for you?


Do liberals want to save life's or not?

It's funny because it's funny. It made me chuckle.

Nothing "inconvenient" at all.


This post is even funnier because I'm not a liberal...

Why do you always say that? You post like a flaming liberal all the Damn time.

No, I post like a rational, pragmatic moderate. Perhaps at times like a libertarian. I was a registered Republican for many years, but the GOP of today is nothing, nothing like the GP of my youth. The same can be said of the Democrats. Both should be ashamed of what they have become. Because I won't toe a party line means I have been called a liberal by the right, and a conservative by the left. I have called both sides on their bullshit, and I have given credit to both sides wen they deserve it. Neither Hilliary nor Dump are qualified to be President. They are both shit stains on their respective parties.

If people have a problem with that, well, that's their problem.

They are both qualified to be president. Your opinion means nothing on their qualifications

 

[Rustic]

Bet you guys have seen this cartoon before.

That's what I mean, these mandatory things that progressives think up in their little minds only work in their little mind... Lol

 

[Onyx]

I had a wreck one night and the trooper told me if I was wearing a seatbelt I probably would have died.

Seatbelts can strangle people, cause burns, and tear flesh during high impact.

Got to wear them though, because there is still a widespread fear of people flying through their reinforced windshields.

 

[HappyJoy]

Slavery? Wearing a helmet is slavery? Are crosswalks the death penalty or what?

Forcing someone to wear a helmet under duress is slavery.

No it's not. There is no definition of slavery that involves motorcycle helmets. That is just a lame argument that makes you look like a kook. Go ask a trafficked female sex worker about calling helmet laws slavery. My, oh my what a privileged life we live in the States.

The only relevant question is whether you have control or are being controlled.

No, actually it's not. Do helmet laws save lives? Yes. Do helmet laws save money? Yes. See? Two questions right there and they are actually relevant to the conversation.

So, I'm assuming your are OK with marriage equality and transgenders using the bathroom they feel most comfortable in, correct?

Certainly.

Good.

You obviously have no idea what slavery is, as well what freedom is… LOL

For the most part the definition of slavery is forced labor. You guys really lose your shit over the strangest things.

 

[JoeMoma]

There are worse things than dying, like losing your freedom to some fucked up socialist federal government...

Really? Losing your freedom to not wear a helmet is worse than death? That's you know...kind of ridiculous.

It's a freedom thing you would not understand, if someone wants to wear helmet knock themselves out if someone does not knock themselves out. No one should give a shit if someone wears a helmet or a seatbelt or not. Fucking progressives and messing with people's personal lives

Is that it? It's a freedom thing? Not really an argument.

First of all there's no guarantee a helmet will save your life, and if Wreck at high-speed's helmet may save your head but your neck will break so you will want to die. Wearing a helmet in town sucks ass, you can't hear shit, your vision is impaired, and you feel like a fucking bobble head.

Plus it's not about wearing the helmet or seatbelt, it's a government telling you what to do with your own fucking life. Someone famous once said "there are worse things than dying"…

I agree with everything. However, if you are riding and you aren't wearing a helmet don't ask the taxpayers to pay for your medical care. Deal?

Wearing a helmet may increase the need for medical care because dead people need very little medical care.

 

[HappyJoy]

Slavery? Wearing a helmet is slavery? Are crosswalks the death penalty or what?

Forcing someone to wear a helmet under duress is slavery.

No it's not. There is no definition of slavery that involves motorcycle helmets. That is just a lame argument that makes you look like a kook. Go ask a trafficked female sex worker about calling helmet laws slavery. My, oh my what a privileged life we live in the States.

The only relevant question is whether you have control or are being controlled.

No, actually it's not. Do helmet laws save lives? Yes. Do helmet laws save money? Yes. See? Two questions right there and they are actually relevant to the conversation.

So, I'm assuming your are OK with marriage equality and transgenders using the bathroom they feel most comfortable in, correct?

Certainly.

Good.

There is no definition of slavery that includes helmets? What kind of dumbass argument is that?

I agree, you should ask the poster that is making that claim.

 

[HappyJoy]

Really? Losing your freedom to not wear a helmet is worse than death? That's you know...kind of ridiculous.

It's a freedom thing you would not understand, if someone wants to wear helmet knock themselves out if someone does not knock themselves out. No one should give a shit if someone wears a helmet or a seatbelt or not. Fucking progressives and messing with people's personal lives

Is that it? It's a freedom thing? Not really an argument.

First of all there's no guarantee a helmet will save your life, and if Wreck at high-speed's helmet may save your head but your neck will break so you will want to die. Wearing a helmet in town sucks ass, you can't hear shit, your vision is impaired, and you feel like a fucking bobble head.

Plus it's not about wearing the helmet or seatbelt, it's a government telling you what to do with your own fucking life. Someone famous once said "there are worse things than dying"…

I agree with everything. However, if you are riding and you aren't wearing a helmet don't ask the taxpayers to pay for your medical care. Deal?

Wearing a helmet may increase the need for medical care because dead people need very little medical care.

That's an argument?

 

[Rustic]

Anyone who doesn't wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle is a damn fool.

Anyone who doesn't wear a seatbelt when driving a car is a damn fool.

The time required to engage either one is minimal and they increase greatly a person's chance of surviving an accident.

That being said, as a driver of cars and a onetime motorcycle enthusiast, I do not support mandatory laws for either. Never have, never will. Think of it as a way to weed out the dummies...

BUT...

If a state has mandatory seatbelt laws (and I think most, if not all, of them do) I believe they should also have mandatory helmet laws.

I had a wreck one night and the trooper told me if I was wearing a seatbelt I probably would have died.
Food for thought

Yes, I know a guy who drove Trailways bus and the way the steering wheel sits flat almost he was not wearing his seatbelt on another bus hit him head on, he was not wearing his seatbelt and he had enough time to get all the way of the steering wheel from cutting him in half... If he had been wearing a seatbelt only half of him would've been in tact.
But then again...

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

 

[TNHarley]

Slavery? Wearing a helmet is slavery? Are crosswalks the death penalty or what?

Forcing someone to wear a helmet under duress is slavery.

No it's not. There is no definition of slavery that involves motorcycle helmets. That is just a lame argument that makes you look like a kook. Go ask a trafficked female sex worker about calling helmet laws slavery. My, oh my what a privileged life we live in the States.

The only relevant question is whether you have control or are being controlled.

No, actually it's not. Do helmet laws save lives? Yes. Do helmet laws save money? Yes. See? Two questions right there and they are actually relevant to the conversation.

So, I'm assuming your are OK with marriage equality and transgenders using the bathroom they feel most comfortable in, correct?

Certainly.

Good.

There is no definition of slavery that includes helmets? What kind of dumbass argument is that?

I agree, you should ask the poster that is making that claim.

You mean happy joy? Lol

 

[Onyx]

I agree, you should ask the poster that is making that claim.

Having your personhood controlled = slavery

Whether we are picking cotton for aristocrats, or paying taxes to the state so it can punish those that do not wear bicycle helmets.

 

[HappyJoy]

Slavery? Wearing a helmet is slavery? Are crosswalks the death penalty or what?

Forcing someone to wear a helmet under duress is slavery.

No it's not. There is no definition of slavery that involves motorcycle helmets. That is just a lame argument that makes you look like a kook. Go ask a trafficked female sex worker about calling helmet laws slavery. My, oh my what a privileged life we live in the States.

The only relevant question is whether you have control or are being controlled.

No, actually it's not. Do helmet laws save lives? Yes. Do helmet laws save money? Yes. See? Two questions right there and they are actually relevant to the conversation.

So, I'm assuming your are OK with marriage equality and transgenders using the bathroom they feel most comfortable in, correct?

Certainly.

Good.

There is no definition of slavery that includes helmets? What kind of dumbass argument is that?

I agree, you should ask the poster that is making that claim.

You mean happy joy? Lol

Nope. Someone claimed helmet laws = slavery. It doesn't, simple as that.

 

[JoeMoma]

It's a freedom thing you would not understand, if someone wants to wear helmet knock themselves out if someone does not knock themselves out. No one should give a shit if someone wears a helmet or a seatbelt or not. Fucking progressives and messing with people's personal lives

Is that it? It's a freedom thing? Not really an argument.

First of all there's no guarantee a helmet will save your life, and if Wreck at high-speed's helmet may save your head but your neck will break so you will want to die. Wearing a helmet in town sucks ass, you can't hear shit, your vision is impaired, and you feel like a fucking bobble head.

Plus it's not about wearing the helmet or seatbelt, it's a government telling you what to do with your own fucking life. Someone famous once said "there are worse things than dying"…

I agree with everything. However, if you are riding and you aren't wearing a helmet don't ask the taxpayers to pay for your medical care. Deal?

Wearing a helmet may increase the need for medical care because dead people need very little medical care.

That's an argument?

It's an observation.

 

[Rustic]

Forcing someone to wear a helmet under duress is slavery.

No it's not. There is no definition of slavery that involves motorcycle helmets. That is just a lame argument that makes you look like a kook. Go ask a trafficked female sex worker about calling helmet laws slavery. My, oh my what a privileged life we live in the States.

The only relevant question is whether you have control or are being controlled.

No, actually it's not. Do helmet laws save lives? Yes. Do helmet laws save money? Yes. See? Two questions right there and they are actually relevant to the conversation.

Certainly.

Good.

There is no definition of slavery that includes helmets? What kind of dumbass argument is that?

I agree, you should ask the poster that is making that claim.

You mean happy joy? Lol

Nope. Someone claimed helmet laws = slavery. It doesn't, simple as that.

Like I said I think these type of laws give you a hard-on… LOL