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Yup. For sure.This "won't catch on" is problematic for some of us. This is not what we see at the local, urban evel. We see (petroleum addicts too) more and more ebikes on the road. These images and actual physicalies are evolving outside the auto industry pimp's control.
The evolution of the cargo bike is now morphing into an (enclosed compartment [italics]), though the collective IQ behind this evolution still leaves out the adult driver-owner of the vehicle, while tending to the kids. This is the profound impoverishment we now see in the American market. It is moving at a snail's pace, as if it were scared shitless to make a mistake, whilst the European market is producing enclosures for (all occupants of the electric machine [it.]).
Yup.Yup. But the biggest reason is this, the average American travels twice as many miles per year than the average European. The are set up for EVs.
When technology catches up, EVs will be more attractive to buy here.
It’s scary what fools the right blowhards here are.Yup.
Yup.
I still have issues with EVs in many ways.Yes, changing the design of the lithium has other similar approaches to this one.
Your problem with used fuel rods is disposal, right?I still have issues with EVs in many ways.
Chiefly their cost.
Still too expensive. Usually about 3X to 4X the price of any other vehicle.
The performance and usability is very limited currently.
About half of US residents live in apartments....meaning they don't have access to inexpensively charge these vehicles.
And the range has been limited as well....meaning that you have to charge them more frequently than an ICE vehicle needs gas.
Then the viability of these during national disasters also leaves a lot to be desired. (Ice storms, hurricanes, heat waves, and even tornadoes)
The problems with the power grid could be addressed...but currently only with coal or petroleum. Nuclear power is still problematic with used fuel rods.
Cost implicates the initial cake-and-eat-it-too bulemics that tried to solve the transportation problem in one fell swoop. Microtransport has less of this problem and is a viable model for the future.I still have issues with EVs in many ways.
Chiefly their cost.
Still too expensive. Usually about 3X to 4X the price of any other vehicle.
The performance and usability is very limited currently.
About half of US residents live in apartments....meaning they don't have access to inexpensively charge these vehicles.
And the range has been limited as well....meaning that you have to charge them more frequently than an ICE vehicle needs gas.
Then the viability of these during national disasters also leaves a lot to be desired. (Ice storms, hurricanes, heat waves, and even tornadoes)
The problems with the power grid could be addressed...but currently only with coal or petroleum. Nuclear power is still problematic with used fuel rods.
Really ? Where do you get that idea ? The average ice car sold is $40k, your saying the average EV is $120 to 160k ? Hilarious.I still have issues with EVs in many ways.
Chiefly their cost.
Still too expensive. Usually about 3X to 4X the price of any other vehicle.
The performance and usability is very limited currently.
About half of US residents live in apartments....meaning they don't have access to inexpensively charge these vehicles.
And the range has been limited as well....meaning that you have to charge them more frequently than an ICE vehicle needs gas.
Seriously, if the power goes out, gas stations shut down tooThen the viability of these during national disasters also leaves a lot to be desired. (Ice storms, hurricanes, heat waves, and even tornadoes)
Absolutely a fools argument. It takes to same power to charge an EV as it does run a small room air conditioner.The problems with the power grid could be addressed...but currently only with coal or petroleum. Nuclear power is still problematic with used fuel rods.
Our northern experiments include some facts:Really ? Where do you get that idea ? The average ice car sold is $40k, your saying the average EV is $120 to 160k ? Hilarious.
Seriously, if the power goes out, gas stations shut down too
Absolutely a fools argument. It takes to same power to charge an EV as it does run a small room air conditioner.
Secondly, as more EVs come on line, less gssoline will be needed. It takes more ectricity to make a gallon of gas than to power an EV for the same number of miles that gasoline will take you. Refineries use huge amounts of electricity.
Electricity is the most fungible energy we use and available from a plethora of sources. It’s just not worth it use fossil fuels for personal transportation…..like E bikes.Our northern experiments include some facts:
1.) Cost to charge a typical ebike battery is $0.25 per charge from the grid, almost $0.00 from owned solar recharging equipment, which have very little moving parts.
2.) A $0.25 charge will yield ~ 25 miles of electric assist to the vehicle.
3.) A typical bicycle can now be converted to an ebike with a battery-motor conversion kit that costs ~ $650. This could be drastically reduced for poor people if re-industrialization of American industry included the potent combination of motor building, storage, standardization, and battery-vending technology, linked to the lower shipping costs that would follow.
I understand what you are saying...the realities are something different. Ground water is going to be an issue. Most underground gasoline tanks have some water in them at the bottom...but this problem is overcome in many ways. Groundwater in a battery storage and charging facility?Cost implicates the initial cake-and-eat-it-too bulemics that tried to solve the transportation problem in one fell swoop. Microtransport has less of this problem and is a viable model for the future.
Speculating, imagine an enclosed site that stored pre-charged, standardized batteries for ev vending. It has addressed the problem in the OP by the addition of prophylaxis, prevention of fires, which automatically address ice storms, hurricanes, heat waves, and tornadoes, even floods. The installation is built (underground [italics]), robotically powered, and decreases human risk of injury. Hydrogen storage will likely follow this trajectory when leakage problems are eventually solved.
Perhaps solar, wind, even propane back-up for charging this underground vending site. There is already a propane generator that can be mounted on the back of an ebike (youtube).
EVs are currently "cheap " due to tax breaks and refunds ...the prices you see are reflective of the price subsidies through the taxes.Really ? Where do you get that idea ? The average ice car sold is $40k, your saying the average EV is $120 to 160k ? Hilarious.
Seriously, if the power goes out, gas stations shut down too
Absolutely a fools argument. It takes to same power to charge an EV as it does run a small room air conditioner.
Secondly, as more EVs come on line, less gssoline will be needed. It takes more ectricity to make a gallon of gas than to power an EV for the same number of miles that gasoline will take you. Refineries use huge amounts of electricity.
Millions Of Electric Car Batteries Retiring By 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?
10 Sep 2022 ~~ By Autumn Spreadmann
The evolving landscape of lithium batteries is creating both contradictions and infrastructure hurdles that, according to some, need to be addressed sooner rather than later. A critical component of this is waste management.
More than 6 million electric vehicle (EV) battery packs will end up as scrap between now and 2030, and the recycling and reuse industries are racing to keep up. Some researchers project that recycling alone will be an over $12 billion industry by 2025.
U.S. President Joe Biden wants to make America a key player in the EV battery industry with a $3.1 billion spending package for automobile production to transition away from fossil fuels.
Much of this dream is pinned on a dusty stretch of soil in the Nevada high desert called Thacker Pass. It serves as the lynchpin in Biden’s push for increased domestic lithium production and more EV batteries. That’s because Thacker Pass is the largest hard rock lithium reserve in the United States.
Currently, China dominates the world’s EV battery production, with more than 80 percent of all units developed there.
Yet while Biden’s administration has its sights on the top spot for EV battery production, insiders are pointing out industry trapdoors.
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Thacker Pass, Nev., has the largest hard rock lithium reserve in the United States. (Lithium Americas)
Due to the potentially dangerous chemistry of lithium-ion EV units, concrete solutions are needed before an avalanche of dead battery packs ends up sitting around and waiting for recycling like ticking time bombs.
Those working on the sales end of the EV revolution tend to squirm or offer vague generalities when queried about what will happen to all of the old batteries.
The notion is quickly lumped into the very broad category of recycling or second life applications without offering any planning details.
Second life applications are an option for EV batteries no longer fit to power cars, but are suitable for alternative uses like energy storage.
And while that’s a start, the ultimate question lingers: How can America effectively deal with millions of completely spent, defective, or recalled EV units?
For people who specialize in hazardous waste, handling lithium batteries is a serious subject.
A ‘Thermal Runaway’
“The packing and logistics isn’t easy or cheap,” Thibodeau said.
Moreover, the batteries pose a significant fire hazard.
Tucked within the sprawling Chicago suburbs is the town of Morris, Illinois. Around midday on Jun. 29, 2021, the fire department received a call that a warehouse fire had broken out in a structure that many residents assumed was just an abandoned building. The call came from someone who claimed to be an employee for a company that was storing 200,000 pounds of batteries in the building, most of which were lithium.
Fire Chief Tracey Steffes told reporters that it was the first time his department had ever fought a lithium fire.
Mitigating traditional fires is done by using water or chemicals to cut off the supply of oxygen. However, lithium is unique in that it doesn’t require oxygen to burn. Once ignited, it creates what Thibodeau called a “thermal runaway,” which is incredibly challenging to control.
Commentary:
Not to worry, the EPA will pass revisions to 40 CFR Part 273 regarding disposal of Li batts that will raise the cost of disposal and the overall price of EV's and all products using Li Batts.
First off, the cars don't last as long as ICE vehicles, because it costs significant amounts to replace the battery after 80-100,000 miles. When the cars get older, they won't be worth replacing the batteries - the whole car will get junked early.
Secondly, no one has considered the cost and energy required to recycle or disposal of the batteries - that kills any efficiency gained over the life of the vehicle.
EV's are a disaster and anybody that has a jalf a brain and thinkslogically knows that.
...and every 9 to 11 years forever and forever.
pubs.rsc.org
www.bbc.com
So gas is cheaper because of gov subsidies….EVs are currently "cheap " due to tax breaks and refunds ...the prices you see are reflective of the price subsidies through the taxes.
Gas stations can still pump gas if they have a generator...and along emergency routes you usually will find one.
Which very few do. So few, you see prohibitive gas lines.Gas stations can still pump gas if they have a generator.
Addressing the groundwater problem, how will a flood affect a facility that's enclosed? If lithium battery storage does require any sort of ventilation, it can be easily installed with stacks above ground. Louisiana is thus still viable as are other less flood-prone sites. No human breathing is required because robots are doing the work, battery transport via a tunnel can be fast. On top of the facility, why not solar and wind?I understand what you are saying...the realities are something different. Ground water is going to be an issue. Most underground gasoline tanks have some water in them at the bottom...but this problem is overcome in many ways. Groundwater in a battery storage and charging facility?
Standardized batteries are going to also be a problem. Especially as new technologies come online.
Also ...
Private passenger vehicles only account between 25-35% of petroleum used. The rest is commercial purposes. This is exactly backwards to how these products are usually introduced.
The building of the Hoover Dam seen a lot of various transportation methods....including electric trucks. However the ICE diesel Mack truck was the preferred means of hauling rock and sand and concrete. It was the most reliable on a daily basis and could make more loads than any other truck design. These drivers were all self employed and looking for their paychecks. No large trucking company then. (That came later)
So...
What is really needed is something for the commercial fleets that is viable...these then will trickle into the private passenger vehicles. It doesn't really work the other way around which is what they are trying to do.
Recycling technology should affect prices. We think its now more viable to pulverize the battery and do separation, microorganisms harvesting the lithium is slow, pyrotech, costly.EVs are currently "cheap " due to tax breaks and refunds ...the prices you see are reflective of the price subsidies through the taxes.
Gas stations can still pump gas if they have a generator...and along emergency routes you usually will find one.
Good post, will study.~~~~~~
**********Episode 29: The Dangers of Lithium-Ion Batteries and Improper Disposal
Linda Gabor, EVP of external relations, Call2Recycle, discusses the state of lithium-ion battery recycling and provides tips for safe disposal.www.waste360.com
**********Environmental impacts, pollution sources and pathways of spent lithium-ion batteries
There is a growing demand for lithium-ion batteries (LIBs) for electric transportation and to support the application of renewable energies by auxiliary energy storage systems. This surge in demand requires a concomitant increase in production and, down the line, leads to large numbers of spent...
Electric cars: What will happen to all the dead batteries?
In the next 10 years millions of old electric car batteries will need to be recycled or discarded.
~~~~~~Which very few do. So few, you see prohibitive gas lines.
ANYONE can generate electricity, easily and cheaply with the right equipment, and year by year, it’s gets easier and cheaper.
year by year FOSSIL FUELS GET more expensive.,
On the episode 29 video page, above, notice "Related"....Redwood Materials Expands EV Battery Recovery/Recycling Work" where it is stated: 'What dismantlers say they care most about is moving the battery packs out fast, safely, and compliantly.'~~~~~~
**********Episode 29: The Dangers of Lithium-Ion Batteries and Improper Disposal
Linda Gabor, EVP of external relations, Call2Recycle, discusses the state of lithium-ion battery recycling and provides tips for safe disposal.
**********Environmental impacts, pollution sources and pathways of spent lithium-ion batteries
There is a growing demand for lithium-ion batteries (LIBs) for electric transportation and to support the application of renewable energies by auxiliary energy storage systems. This surge in demand requires a concomitant increase in production and, down the line, leads to large numbers of spent...
Electric cars: What will happen to all the dead batteries?
In the next 10 years millions of old electric car batteries will need to be recycled or discarded.
