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And too, as far as the consumer is concerned,Some good points. Chinese avarice is built into their genome, the eventual plan being to (buy [italics]) the Russian Far East and United States. Conversely, ev battery-swapping is a formidable idea to ponder. Price per kw compares with the youtube video showing the human moving at ~ 8mph on a level surface with no battery, only a motor and solar panel.
YupThere are some gains when switching from ICE to an electric motor...but not in anyway nearly enough to make up for the weight of the batteries.
It isn’t China. It’s all foreign made SUVs.On the other hand, a la Boebert, et al, Biden's handlers do want other sources than Chinese lithium, the $7,500 comes with a stipulation, which in no way should be construed as a Biden idea.
Worthwhile talking points, though the swapping apparently happens wherever a gas station can happen: pre-charged vending.The weight of batteries versus the power they produce is still much more substantial than the weight versus the power produced by diesel or gasoline.
There are some gains when switching from ICE to an electric motor...but not in anyway nearly enough to make up for the weight of the batteries.
And your battery swapping concept would work as a subscription service...but would still be fraught with issues (primarily logistics and shipping...petroleum products move by low cost pipeline)
Before searching, are there articles recently published already in place about foreign SUVs you may be thinking of?It isn’t China. It’s all foreign made SUVs.
Ooops, EVs not SUVsBefore searching, are there articles recently published already in place about foreign SUVs you may be thinking of?
Correct...it would just require a substantial increase in power supplied to the station and an equipment makeover.Worthwhile talking points, though the swapping apparently happens wherever a gas station can happen: pre-charged vending.
“Correct...it would just require a substantial increase in power supplied to the station and an equipment makeover.
However the logistics of supplying the batteries to the various stations for malfunctioning batteries (huge variety of reasons) is going to require even more energy than is currently used in supplying the stations with fuel. Unless you make a battery manufacturer and refurbisher in EVERY large city. Even then the supplies for such industrial plants are going to be substantially more than are currently used for petroleum.
(Costs for infrastructure and $ per kilowatt are going to make batteries rather expensive and likely on par with petroleum)
The current electric grid is incapable of producing the electricity necessary to charge the batteries on a daily basis. Meaning that we will need a massive increase in the amount of electricity generated. We have actually dropped several coal burners off the grid as we have moved from an industrial economy to tech, entertainment, service, and food processing....so these sites are available for use for a variety of generating means that are economical (something other than nuclear because of the risks of nuclear power) This is doable...but going to require years to achieve. (Adding alternators to current generating facilities where possible and adding several new generating facilities)
Meanwhile peak petroleum is pushed further down the road past 2050.
So...where I don't mind the EV concept...it just doesn't work yet. It's going to take decades to move to a new type of independent travel and cargo hauling.
Once upon a time we used horses and mules to travel and haul goods. Seed and feed stores were everywhere as well as watering spots. But the manure piled up in the major cities and was a major issue to deal with on a daily basis.
We want to travel but didn't want the poop. Automobiles were laughed at and about. (Obviously things have changed)
And now we are discussing another change again...so I expect resistance.
Let’s do the math..The current electric grid is incapable of producing the electricity necessary to charge the batteries on a daily basis.
foxnews.com
"An EV goes nearly 4 miles per kWh." We will, then, experiment for miles per kWh for the trike, first with the solar recharge detached from the vehicle (no solar panel weight or power station weight), followed by these added weights to the system.“
Let’s do the math..
It takes 9 kWh to extract a gallon of distillate and 3 kWh to refine it into gasoline. Thats a total of 12 kWh of electricity per gallon of gasoline to make. An EV goes nearly 4 miles per kWh. That’s 48 miles per 12 kWh. So an EV goes much farther on 12 kWh then that amount takes To extract and refine a gallon of gasoline. So really, there is no need to worry about enough electricity . You’ll have more than enough just reducing consumption of gasoline. We keep forgetting it takes electricity to extract and refine crude into gasoline.
Look at the costs….
it costs .15 per kWh in our state. So, It costs .15 to go about 4 miles with electricity. Can you go 4 miles in a gasoline powered car for .15 ? Fk no. Not even close. EVs are here to stay.
Let’s do the math..
Then there's resale value....Even assuming your static claims and figures are all correct, your conclusions are the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen that it makes me wonder if it all didn't just come off of some pro-EV website! Your conclusions are all based as if EVs just pop out of nowhere ready to run, ready to charge up and go with no mention of the vast deficit and impact on the earth mining, installing and building/replacing batteries.
To hear you talk, EVs will practically replace themselves for free with a surplus of energy!!!
For instance, you totally ignore the fact that for an EV to even operate, it will cost the user about $200 a month just to have the EV in terms of battery depreciation and replacement costs! And that is based just on CURRENT battery replacement costs which can only increase with time and inflation and demand.
I see a time when people's EVs fail needing a new battery and they are DOA sitting on a waiting list for another battery to become available.
Never mind if the battery shorts or catches fire due to getting wet, say, in a flood, etc. Then there is the problem of winter driving.
Maybe an EV is cheaper to operate UP FRONT once you have the EV and the charger and only look at the recharging costs per mile driven, but that totally ignores the fact that the EV is far more costly to operate in terms of even BUYING the EV in the first place, the cost of the charger, finding charging stations, time to recharge, and the cost of replacing the battery (half the cost and weight of the car) every ten years.
EV's are a good deal and cheaper to operate only so long as you can get someone else to buy it for you, then somehow dump it on someone else before needing a new battery. Add that $200 per month expense onto the electricity consumption, even if you hardly drive it---- just imagine if you had $200 in repairs to your ICE car each month, every month, year in, year out.
When you factor the increased costs of EVs and the cost of replacing the battery alone, up front, while it might save you money recharging it compared to gasoline, you only got there by paying an added $10,000 - $20,000 for the EV over a comparable ICE car (minimum) + the cost of battery wear, depreciation and replacement, so, driving an EV, enjoy your low recharging costs, because it came to you at about an added $400.00 a month cost over what it would have cost you to buy an ICE car, when you factor in these big, upfront expenditures.
Then there's resale value....
Anyone up for buying a 10 year old EV?
Never in a million years!
How about a 10 year old chevy silverado pickup truck?
They literally can't keep them in stock. IOW you can't find one to purchase unless you get lucky.
Can you bang a chick on the back of your solar trike?"An EV goes nearly 4 miles per kWh." We will, then, experiment for miles per kWh for the trike, first with the solar recharge detached from the vehicle (no solar panel weight or power station weight), followed by these added weights to the system.
You sure you don't want to sell it?I have a 35 year old K1500 Silverado and have had people stop and make me offers on it.
I’m figuring the costs of operating an EV. I’m accurate. I know my light bill and you know yours and like most modern cars, I can read the miles per kWh. Geesus, it’s not even close. 90% of EV Drivers charge at home, not at fast charge places.Even assuming your static claims and figures are all correct, your conclusions are the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen that it makes me wonder if it all didn't just come off of some pro-EV website! Your conclusions are all based as if EVs just pop out of nowhere ready to run, ready to charge up and go with no mention of the vast deficit and impact on the earth mining, installing and building/replacing batteries.
To hear you talk, EVs will practically replace themselves for free with a surplus of energy!!!
For instance, you totally ignore the fact that for an EV to even operate, it will cost the user about $200 a month just to have the EV in terms of battery depreciation and replacement costs! And that is based just on CURRENT battery replacement costs which can only increase with time and inflation and demand.
I see a time when people's EVs fail needing a new battery and they are DOA sitting on a waiting list for another battery to become available.
Never mind if the battery shorts or catches fire due to getting wet, say, in a flood, etc. Then there is the problem of winter driving.
Maybe an EV is cheaper to operate UP FRONT once you have the EV and the charger and only look at the recharging costs per mile driven, but that totally ignores the fact that the EV is far more costly to operate in terms of even BUYING the EV in the first place, the cost of the charger, finding charging stations, time to recharge, and the cost of replacing the battery (half the cost and weight of the car) every ten years.
EV's are a good deal and cheaper to operate only so long as you can get someone else to buy it for you, then somehow dump it on someone else before needing a new battery. Add that $200 per month expense onto the electricity consumption, even if you hardly drive it---- just imagine if you had $200 in repairs to your ICE car each month, every month, year in, year out.
When you factor the increased costs of EVs and the cost of replacing the battery alone, up front, while it might save you money recharging it compared to gasoline, you only got there by paying an added $10,000 - $20,000 for the EV over a comparable ICE car (minimum) + the cost of battery wear, depreciation and replacement, so, driving an EV, enjoy your low recharging costs, because it came to you at about an added $400.00 a month cost over what it would have cost you to buy an ICE car, when you factor in these big, upfront expenditures.
You sure you don't want to sell it?
And the reason is for China to surpass the US as the world's number one super power.Yup they will use up all the water in the desert for the lithium mine, the Indians and farmers will be hung out to dry.
Funny thing is it still won’t be near enough lithium to make EV batteries for every American. There isn’t enough lithium and cobalt in the world. Most of it is owned by China too.
This is the biggest hoax, and we’re dumping so much money into it.
Your post is a load of hooee. EVs are more expensive, less reliable, have MUCH less range and occasionally spontaneously combust resulting in a fire that burns for hours. Nobody wants them because the consumer is finally waking up to the insanity.I’m figuring the costs of operating an EV. I’m accurate. I know my light bill and you know yours and like most modern cars, I can read the miles per kWh. Geesus, it’s not even close. 90% of EV Drivers charge at home, not at fast charge places.
Plus, the normal commuter can charge 60 miles on a 110w outlet over night. The majority of driving doesn’t even require a special fast charge…..just a 110.
You can read your light bill right ? The power draw on 110 is less than a small room air conditioner. Do the math. It taxes no one.
im only discussing operating costs. New battery prices are dealer installed prices, not after market. It’s hilarious how you inflate prices. You can get EVs for the average price of new ICE cars with the same performance….
Are they expensive ? You pay no more than an ICE car with the same capabilities…..You want a cheapo computer car, get a Chevy Bolt. Nearly everyone offers a variant in the mid price range.
