Millions Of Electric Car Batteries Retiring By 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?

[badger2]

We have a plug in hybrid in a very cold winters state. In very cold weather, even with all the options, it’s still better to run it as a hybrid to stay warm. Then, your mileage drops to 40 to 50 mpg.

It’s tough to rationalize EVs if your daily commute in cold weather is over 150 miles. A friend uses a full electricity at home on just a 110 outlet. Maximum commutes are 60 miles which at .15 per kilowatt hour, 4 miles per KWh w/o air or heat comes out to 4 times .15 or .60 to go 60 miles. But, when you heat the car up, it can more double your expense, way up to 1.50 to 2.00 for 60 miles….

Yes, this enclosed etrike has the battery in an insulated compartment that receives a heating pad in subzero. The heating pad is run by a small Jackery power station. Currently, double ebike batteries can increase range to ~100 miles.

 

[Dagosa]

Gee....comparing a 600 dollar battery powered lawn mower against a 15,000 dollar battery powered vehicle.
I stand by my post against a limited warranty for the battery.

You need only look at a power tool, the cost if the battery and the number if charge Cycles to decide if it’s worth it.,
It’s not rocket science

 

[Meister]

You need only look at a power tool, the cost if the battery and the number if charge Cycles to decide if it’s worth it.,
It’s not rocket science

Trouble is that Biden wants to take the combustible engine away. Eventually, there will be no decision
for the low to middle class.

 

[Meister]

How often do you plan to replace your battery out of warranty ? typically they are 10 years and 150k miles.
I know two people who have replaced their batteries. One was free at 80 k miles The other was $4k at well over 100k
Both were well worth it. You want to buy parts from a dealer, go for it. You’d pay $100 for one hub cap. You seem to be pretty naive.

You ARE the naive one who seems to be flush with money. Low to middle class....let that sink in for you.
Those that live from pay check to pay check....let that sink in for you.
One other thing......how is the government going to replace the federal taxes that they now get from
the gas tax? Let that sink in for you. My guess is that they will increase the tax and fees from the
electrical supply.

 

[Dagosa]

Trouble is that Biden wants to take the combustible engine away. Eventually, there will be no decision
for the low to middle class.

You are all Fux News snowflakes .
The EPA decided before Trump was elected. The middle class has ten plus years to decide what type of car they want as only those with no emissions will be available.

they can by an ICE car for ten years, and if one has zero emissions by then , buy another. Or before the mandates come in, by another ICE car and they will be grandfathered.
Gessus you snow flakes, we did this with outboards and atvs when we transitioned from two to four stroke motors.

Liars !

 

[Dagosa]

You ARE the naive one who seems to be flush with money. Low to middle class....let that sink in for you.
Those that live from pay check to pay check....let that sink in for you.
One other thing......how is the government going to replace the federal taxes that they now get from
the gas tax? Let that sink in for you. My guess is that they will increase the tax and fees from the
electrical supply.

Guess what ever you want. They give billions each year in subsides to fossil fuel. It’s amuch more than any thing they have done for EVs

 

[badger2]

If small evs can now sport a range of 100 miles, low to middle class will buy them for commuting. After they've tried it, there will likely be no going back. The trouble is that, besides Biden's commands, enclosed evs are taking off nicely in Europe, whereas there are none on US pavements.

 

[Meister]

You are all Fux News snowflakes .
The EPA decided before Trump was elected. The middle class has ten plus years to decide what type of car they want as only those with no emissions will be available.

they can by an ICE car for ten years, and if one has zero emissions by then , buy another. Or before the mandates come in, by another ICE car and they will be grandfathered.
Gessus you snow flakes, we did this with outboards and atvs when we transitioned from two to four stroke motors.

Liars !

Dude....here's the thing, I've just been yanking your chain and you took the bait.

EV's won't replace the combustible engine any time soon.
Other countries are starting to wake up and now once again pushing for the combustible engine.
Bi-den will be gone and even though the ev's are on the market now....so was the Edsel.....at one time

 

[badger2]

We are talking about small enclosed evs, many of which are trikes.

 

[Dagosa]

Dude....here's the thing, I've just been yanking your chain and you took the bait.

EV's won't replace the combustible engine any time soon.

yes they are

Other countries are starting to wake up and now once again

Yes and they are going to hybrids

EV's won't replace the combustible engine any time soon.

They are as fast as they can make them

pushing for the combustible engine.
Bi-den will be gone and even though the ev's are on the market now....so was the Edsel.....at one time

Biden has nothing to do with it.

And the facts are, no one is forcing you to buy an EV. No one. They’re just giving you options and conforming to emission standards now.

One example.
In order to meet emmisions standards now, you have two choice, get a smaller motor with turbos, or smaller motors with E assist or hybrids. Guess which one is selling everyone they can make ?

So YES, IN 10 years, zero emissions cars will begin outselling ICE cars and electric will be preferred.

 

[Dagosa]

Dude....here's the thing, I've just been yanking your chain and you took the bait.

EV's won't replace the combustible engine any time soon.
Other countries are starting to wake up and now once again pushing for the combustible engine.
Bi-den will be gone and even though the ev's are on the market now....so was the Edsel.....at one time

Yup, and these are all EPA proposals that any conservative govt can change….its not federal law.

What is state law NOW, is zero emissions on vehicles by 2035 mandated in California with 17 other states folleing their lead. Auto companies will not make cars for a minirity of the country. So just like in the past, the autos available will mimic those 18:states which means zero emmisions cars.,

Toyota has started. In all their non truck line, they will eventually offer no choices but hybrids, eventually plug in hybrids then mostly EVs. It’s a 10-20 year process.

 

[Dagosa]

Dude....here's the thing, I've just been yanking your chain and you took the bait.

EV's won't replace the combustible engine any time soon.
Other countries are starting to wake up and now once again pushing for the combustible engine.
Bi-den will be gone and even though the ev's are on the market now....so was the Edsel.....at one time

1. Ford F-Series
2. Chevrolet Silverado
3. Ram Pickup
4. Tesla Model Y
5. Toyota RAV4
6. Honda CR-V
7. Toyota Camry
8. GMC Sierra
9. Nissan Rogue
10. Jeep Grand Cherokee
11. Toyota Tacoma
12. Tesla Model 3
13. Toyota Highlander
14. Honda Accord
15. Toyota Corolla
16. Hyundai Tucson
17. Chevrolet Equinox
18. Subaru Outback
19. Honda Civic
20. Jeep Wrangler
21. Ford Explorer
22. Chrysler Pacifica
23. Ford Escape
24. Hyundai Elantra
25. Mazda CX-5

THEY HAVE BEGUN ALREADY.
Numbers 4 and 12 in total sales for 2023 are full electric.
Embedded in everyone of the other models, are hybrids, plug in hybrids and full EVs.
All of the top 25/are either electric or offerered in all or partial electric variations.
you never thought you’d see this 5 years ago. In five years time. MOST ( more than half) vehicles sold will be partially or fully electrified. In ten years, nearly all will be partially or fully electrified.

 

[Meister]

1. Ford F-Series
2. Chevrolet Silverado
3. Ram Pickup
4. Tesla Model Y
5. Toyota RAV4
6. Honda CR-V
7. Toyota Camry
8. GMC Sierra
9. Nissan Rogue
10. Jeep Grand Cherokee
11. Toyota Tacoma
12. Tesla Model 3
13. Toyota Highlander
14. Honda Accord
15. Toyota Corolla
16. Hyundai Tucson
17. Chevrolet Equinox
18. Subaru Outback
19. Honda Civic
20. Jeep Wrangler
21. Ford Explorer
22. Chrysler Pacifica
23. Ford Escape
24. Hyundai Elantra
25. Mazda CX-5

THEY HAVE BEGUN ALREADY.
Numbers 4 and 12 in total sales for 2023 are full electric.
Embedded in everyone of the other models, are hybrids, plug in hybrids and full EVs.
All of the top 25/are either electric or offerered in all or partial electric variations.
you never thought you’d see this 5 years ago. In five years time. MOST ( more than half) vehicles sold will be partially or fully electrified. In ten years, nearly all will be partially or fully electrified.

You certainly are a dreamer, EV's are not catching on with the PEOPLE.
You can talk about the manufacturers all you want, but.....that's NOT where the rubber meets the road.

 

[Dagosa]

You certainly are a dreamer, EV's are not catching on with the PEOPLE.
You can talk about the manufacturers all you want, but.....that's NOT where the rubber meets the road.

Those are the sales as of 2023

You certainly are a dreamer, EV's are not catching on with the PEOPLE.
You can talk about the manufacturers all you want, but.....that's NOT where the rubber meets the road.

25% of all cars sold were electrified.….people bought these cars, in the year 2023. It was a 47% increase over the previous year ! The percent of total sold that are electrified cars has been going up every year.
Teslar is only outsold by three PU truck makes.
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[Meister]

Those are the sales as of 2023

25% of all cars sold were electrified.….people bought these cars, in the year 2023. It was a 47% increase over the previous year ! The percent of total sold that are electrified cars has been going up every year.
Teslar is only outsold by three PU truck makes.
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More and more Americans don't want electric cars

EVs are getting way more popular, but Americans are increasingly divided on whether the tech is right for them.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Dagosa]

More and more Americans don't want electric cars

EVs are getting way more popular, but Americans are increasingly divided on whether the tech is right for them.

www.businessinsider.com

Ha ha. That’s only for full EVs
The Teslar was 4 th in the list. 25% of those sold were electrified. That leaves 75% who aren’t ready to buy EVs. They are buying hybrids faster then they can make them. You miss the entire point. We are going electric faster then ever anticipated by not straight to EVs.

Hybrids have no waiting lines for charging as they don’t need any, cost less than 10% more.

A plug in hybrid, a part time EV is even more popular. They have a year waiting list for many makes, it’s very popular. So those 75% are still looking at electrified cars. They just aren’t read for EVs.

 

[Dagosa]

More and more Americans don't want electric cars

EVs are getting way more popular, but Americans are increasingly divided on whether the tech is right for them.

www.businessinsider.com

Then read this…


many car buyers are buying hybrids and don’t even know it.

 

[Dagosa]

More and more Americans don't want electric cars

EVs are getting way more popular, but Americans are increasingly divided on whether the tech is right for them.

www.businessinsider.com

Cars in biggest demand

The Most In-Demand Cars of the Summer

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[ding]

The EPA decided before Trump was elected.

That's a funny way of saying the Obama administration.

 

[Captain Caveman]

And the facts are, no one is forcing you to buy an EV. No one. They’re just giving you options and conforming to emission standards now.

One example.
In order to meet emmisions standards now, you have two choice, get a smaller motor with turbos, or smaller motors with E assist or hybrids. Guess which one is selling everyone they can make ?

So YES, IN 10 years, zero emissions cars will begin outselling ICE cars and electric will be preferred.

The law will eventually make the younger and future generations buy one. My youngest is 22, he's gutted about EV's.

They're not zero emissions. Over the lifespan of an EV and ICE vehicle, the EV will have reduced your driving carbon foot print by only 17% to 30%. The start up co2 on an EV is the root of the problem, and if it's bumped and written off early in it's life, it contributed more in pollution.