Millions Of Electric Car Batteries Retiring By 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?

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Extinguishing electric vehicle fires is more difficult than putting out a petrol car fire, and electric vehicles have been known to reignite hours or even days after the blaze was first extinguished. Most manufacturers actually recommend allowing a controlled blaze to burn out of its own accord, but this isn’t always a feasible option for fire brigades.

So if you get an EV fire in your garage, most manufacturers suggest you let it burn out naturally.

Is that feasible to you? So what advice would you give to EV owners?

Extinguishing technology for EV auto fires will evolve as will pre-charged modular batteries to take the place of the monstrosities in place now.

So on this trajectory, the charging compartments in a garage will be the same type as seen in battery vending stations of the future. If not water, then chemistry will instantly extinguish a fire within the compartment.

How does one let a blaze burn out while in transit? Where is the link to "re-ignition hours or days after"? What are the details of these reports, such as brand of battery linked to the statistic?

 

[Dagosa]

It's the ACTUAL type of fire, the risk assessment, and what is happening out there, as well as, what people are believing could happen. That's what's changing guidance/policy, lives, and insurance.

Thats silly. Its about volatility….It’s a rabbit hole.You're going down a rabbit hole that has nothing to do with the OVERALL dangers of EVs vs that of an ICE car. NO ONE HAD EVER SAID THA EVs don’t have safety problems. NO ONE . It happens 100 times less frequently. The death rate is much higher in ICE cars than EVs. That the fires are harder to put out does not correspind to higher death rates than ICE cars. ALL BATTERIES ARE DANGEROUS as are all cans and tanks of gasoline.

I have two diesel powered vehicles. The fuel is very safe. The fuel is hard to ignite. But once it does, it’s very hard to put out too. That’s why the buildings collapsed during 911. Jet fuel is similar combustion to kerosine which is akin of diesel fuel. So which is more dangerous ? It’s still gasoline by a wide margin. We can’t even power ships with them they are so volatile.

We haven’t even mentioned what ICE car inducing smOG does to cause respiratory illnesses, CANCER and deaths EVERY YEAR.

 

[badger2]

Less bulemic, are "modular" batteries now in existence for ebikes. More bulemic are non-modular batteries for EV cars. How many EV cars have just spontaneously combusted while setting in the garage not being charged?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Thats silly. Its about volatility….It’s a rabbit hole.You're going down a rabbit hole that has nothing to do with the OVERALL dangers of EVs vs that of an ICE car. NO ONE HAD EVER SAID THA EVs don’t have safety problems. NO ONE . It happens 100 times less frequently. The death rate is much higher in ICE cars than EVs. That the fires are harder to put out does not correspind to higher death rates than ICE cars. ALL BATTERIES ARE DANGEROUS as are all cans and tanks of gasoline.

I have two diesel powered vehicles. The fuel is very safe. The fuel is hard to ignite. But once it does, it’s very hard to put out too. That’s why the buildings collapsed during 911. Jet fuel is similar combustion to kerosine which is akin of diesel fuel. So which is more dangerous ? It’s still gasoline by a wide margin. We can’t even power ships with them they are so volatile.

We haven’t even mentioned what ICE car inducing smOG does to cause respiratory illnesses, CANCER and deaths EVERY YEAR.

Have your diesel vehicles ever caught fire

 

[Dagosa]

Have your diesel vehicles ever caught fire

Never, because just like my EV, it’s very hard to ignite and requires no special attention……like gasoline does. Geesus, do you routinely light up anything while you’re fueling up your gas powered lawn mower ? Hell no.

When was the last time a person intent on suicide closed the garage door tightly with an EV turned on ?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Never, because just like my EV, it’s very hard to ignite and requires no special attention……like gasoline does. Geesus, do you routinely light up anything while you’re fueling up your gas powered lawn mower ? Hell no.

When was the last time a person intent on suicide closed the garage door tightly with an EV turned on ?

The same number of times people stuck their heads in an electric oven. Why?

 

[Meister]

Most lithium-ion batteries cost $10 to $20,000, depending on the device it powers. An electric vehicle battery is the most expensive, typically costing $4,760 to $19,200

How Much Does a Lithium-Ion Battery Cost in 2024?

Lithium-ion batteries range from $10 to $20,000, depending on the device. For example, an EV battery costs more than a power tool battery.

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Some cases, I think totaling the EV car is a better economic decision than replacing the battery.
Low income and mid income are really going to have to make some life changing decisions if
Bi-den get's his way.

 

[Dagosa]

The same number of times people stuck their heads in an electric oven. Why?

Exactly. Electricity has dangers. But we would be using gasoline powered subways if they were less than electricity.

 

[Meister]

Exactly. Electricity has dangers. But we would be using gasoline powered subways if they were less than electricity.

Pretty cool that Biden wants to take away our freedom of choice with what kind of vehicle we will
be allowed to drive, huh?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Pretty cool that Biden wants to take away our freedom of choice of what kind of vehicle we will
be allowed to drive, huh?

Capitalism is all for competition, so let EV's compete against ICE vehicles. If EV's are better, more convenient, cheaper etc.. then it's a no brainer that they will win, but, they have to be legislated in.

 

[Dagosa]

Most lithium-ion batteries cost $10 to $20,000, depending on the device it powers. An electric vehicle battery is the most expensive, typically costing $4,760 to $19,200

How Much Does a Lithium-Ion Battery Cost in 2024?

Lithium-ion batteries range from $10 to $20,000, depending on the device. For example, an EV battery costs more than a power tool battery.

lawnlove.com

Some cases, I think totaling the EV car is a better economic decision than replacing the battery.
Low income and mid income are really going to have to make some life changing decisions if
Bi-den get's his way.

Ha ha
No fuel is more dangerous or costly to use than gasoline for transportation. It’s not even close . Do all calculations you want, but it’s not real life. Lithium batteries typically last from 200k to 300k miles in taxis and cost 2-3k to replace; much less than gas they would use for ICE and much
Less than the maintenace and repaired of either an engine and transmission. Get real, E motors are up to 90% efficient and gas motors sit there at 20- 30%. It’s not even close.

Lithium batteries are actually cheaper than lead acid over during the life of your car included charging cycles. You live with your E tools for that reason. they are on line to be replaced by solid state and sodium batteries which are being sold to EV makers now for field testing. Fire problems will be reduced significantly and you’ll have no reason to complain


The real problem with EVs is this….it puts people out of work because they require so little maintenance which is where car dealers make their biggest profits. Their cost is high for that reason…THAT IS A BIG ADJUSTMENT the auto industry needs time to work out.

 

[Dagosa]

Pretty cool that Biden wants to take away our freedom of choice with what kind of vehicle we will
be allowed to drive, huh?

Nope….there is no requirement for you to buy an EV. There is only a requirement that cars have zero emissions in about 10 plus years. So, if manufactures can come up with an alternative, they are welcome.

 

[Dagosa]

Capitalism is all for competition, so let EV's compete against ICE vehicles. If EV's are better, more convenient, cheaper etc.. then it's a no brainer that they will win, but, they have to be legislated in.

Its not about cheaper….Its only required they have zero emissions in about ten years. Right now, having a car with a electric motor that weighs 50 kg and has 300 hp with no transmission and little maintenace and zero pollution wins out.

 

[badger2]

Most lithium-ion batteries cost $10 to $20,000, depending on the device it powers. An electric vehicle battery is the most expensive, typically costing $4,760 to $19,200

How Much Does a Lithium-Ion Battery Cost in 2024?

Lithium-ion batteries range from $10 to $20,000, depending on the device. For example, an EV battery costs more than a power tool battery.

lawnlove.com

Some cases, I think totaling the EV car is a better economic decision than replacing the battery.
Low income and mid income are really going to have to make some life changing decisions if
Bi-den get's his way.

This argument comes as Redwood Materials places its recycling operation near the McDermitt lithium deposit. Redwood is perched to help reduce the costs.

 

[badger2]

Its not about cheaper….Its only required they have zero emissions in about ten years. Right now, having a car with a electric motor that weighs 50 kg and has 300 hp with no transmission and little maintenace and zero pollution wins out.

Cheaper too. Winter experiments will include in-transit solar recharging. The equipment is paid for, making the cost per km extremely low.

 

[Dagosa]

Most lithium-ion batteries cost $10 to $20,000, depending on the device it powers. An electric vehicle battery is the most expensive, typically costing $4,760 to $19,200

How Much Does a Lithium-Ion Battery Cost in 2024?

Lithium-ion batteries range from $10 to $20,000, depending on the device. For example, an EV battery costs more than a power tool battery.

lawnlove.com

Some cases, I think totaling the EV car is a better economic decision than replacing the battery.
Low income and mid income are really going to have to make some life changing decisions if
Bi-den get's his way.

Gee, you mean a battery powered lawn mower battery replacement that costs $600 dollars will cost you what ?
10-20k ? An EV battery warranty runs 10 years is 150k miles.

 

[Meister]

Gee, you mean a battery powered lawn mower battery replacement that costs $600 dollars will cost you what ?
10-20k ? An EV battery warranty runs 10 years is 150k miles.

Gee....comparing a 600 dollar battery powered lawn mower against a 15,000 dollar battery powered vehicle.
I stand by my post against a limited warranty for the battery.

 

[badger2]

As it progresses, recycling should change warranty parameters. One reason might be the structural changes in the lithium itself.

 

[Dagosa]

Cheaper too. Winter experiments will include in-transit solar recharging. The equipment is paid for, making the cost per km extremely low.

We have a plug in hybrid in a very cold winters state. In very cold weather, even with all the options, it’s still better to run it as a hybrid to stay warm. Then, your mileage drops to 40 to 50 mpg.

It’s tough to rationalize EVs if your daily commute in cold weather is over 150 miles. A friend uses a full electricity at home on just a 110 outlet. Maximum commutes are 60 miles which at .15 per kilowatt hour, 4 miles per KWh w/o air or heat comes out to 4 times .15 or .60 to go 60 miles. But, when you heat the car up, it can more double your expense, way up to 1.50 to 2.00 for 60 miles….

 

[Dagosa]

Gee....comparing a 600 dollar battery powered lawn mower against a 15,000 dollar battery powered vehicle.
I stand by my post against a limited warranty for the battery.

How often do you plan to replace your battery out of warranty ? typically they are 10 years and 150k miles.
I know two people who have replaced their batteries. One was free at 80 k miles The other was $4k at well over 100k
Both were well worth it. You want to buy parts from a dealer, go for it. You’d pay $100 for one hub cap. You seem to be pretty naive.