More guns sure make us more safe.

[2aguy]

Only idiots think more guns increases safety

Cue gun nuts !!

Again, you failed to do the word problem....

15 million innocent men, women and children were murdered by the governments of Europe after they registered, then banned and confiscated guns....over 1 million children were murdered....

This happened in just 6 years, 1939-1945.....not war dead....civilians rounded up by the socialists, marched into forests and camps and murdered.

Gun murder in the United States over our entire 246 year history...... around 2,460,000

Now, for the math....

Tell us how many hundreds of years it will take the U.S. to catch up to European murder totals....

Show your work....

 

[2aguy]

Only idiots think more guns increases safety

Cue gun nuts !!

Well....the 1.1 million Americans who use their legal guns to save lives every year must be idiots....because they know that their guns made them safer......


Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct



that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—

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A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press

 

[cnm]

The murder rate in this country is about what it was in 1950 and that was before that evil AR 15 was even available

That's a useful link you provided.


Oh, wait...

 

[cnm]

There was no country before its founding and there were no citizens of the US before the US was founded.

British and French citizens, not to mention citizens of other powers were living in the country before it declared independence.

 

[cnm]

Lots of BS in your first link only to prove my point.

The point is your dog whistle racism with a fog horn has been well established, as has the concept you don't regard Blacks as American.

 

[cnm]

And what do non-idiots think, that less guns leads to safety?

The case in every other developed nation.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The case in every other developed nation.

I already explained to you how that was a false comparison. What is with you leftists anyway. It's like your mind has a filter on it that weeds out anything you don't want to hear or read.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The point is your dog whistle racism with a fog horn has been well established, as has the concept you don't regard Blacks as American.

When did I ever even hint at anything like that? You leftists read something and then make up your own stories in your head.

Statistics can't be racist. Statistics only tell the reality of any situation. They cannot be denied by jumping up and down screaming "racism" just because you don't like what they conclude. Blacks in the US lead per capita in every violent crime category and particularly in murders. Now if you want to try and deny that, then let me see your sources.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Man arrested in shooting of two Texas cheerleaders after one mistakenly got into the wrong car

One of the victims was critically injured in the shooting that unfolded early Tuesday outside an H-E-B supermarket in Elgin, Texas, police said.

www.nbcnews.com

Cheerleaders.

Texas.

The End.

The gun didn't squeeze it's trigger just like a car doesn't drink beer before it goes for a drive.

Is It More Dangerous To Be Killed By A Drunk Driver Or A Gun? – Davidazizipersonalinjury

 

[2aguy]

The point is your dog whistle racism with a fog horn has been well established, as has the concept you don't regard Blacks as American.

And here we have it….leftist losing an argument…….,..,RACISM…..

You guys are vile and evil……..you are doing exactly what Dennis Prager says you do……you destroy everything you touch….l

 

[2aguy]

The case in every other developed nation.

Moron…every other developed nation is about to be flooded with crime….and their criminals don’t care about their traditions, their values and they are not afraid of their police….

I just saw an article on Canada…..they have introduced the same bail reform/ letting violent criminals go reform that we have here and their violent crime rates are going up…..

You have no idea what you are doing…..and it will be blood and death in all of those countries because you don’t have a fucking clue how to have a free society…

 

[Blues Man]

That's a useful link you provided.


Oh, wait...

I've posted that link many times.

 

[Blues Man]

British and French citizens, not to mention citizens of other powers were living in the country before it declared independence.

And?

A country is not a country until it declares itself independent and established its own government.

 

[Blues Man]

Only idiots think more guns increases safety

Cue gun nuts !!

What you are utterly incapable of understanding is that it doesn't fucking matter if guns increase safety or not.

 

[August West]

Again, you failed to do the word problem....

15 million innocent men, women and children were murdered by the governments of Europe after they registered, then banned and confiscated guns....over 1 million children were murdered....

This happened in just 6 years, 1939-1945.....not war dead....civilians rounded up by the socialists, marched into forests and camps and murdered.

Gun murder in the United States over our entire 246 year history...... around 2,460,000

Now, for the math....

Tell us how many hundreds of years it will take the U.S. to catch up to European murder totals....

Show your work....

Gun ownership was uncommon in Europe and Nazis weren`t socialists despite what they called themselves. Only 1% of the German population was Jewish, btw. Germans had a huge gun give away program and the guns came with snappy looking uniforms too!

 

[August West]

What you are utterly incapable of understanding is that it doesn't fucking matter if guns increase safety or not.

Guns make a nobody feel like a somebody.

 

[2aguy]

Gun ownership was uncommon in Europe and Nazis weren`t socialists despite what they called themselves. Only 1% of the German population was Jewish, btw. Germans had a huge gun give away program and the guns came with snappy looking uniforms too!

And they rounded up the remaining guns...and murdered 15 million unarmed people......

You are not selling gun contol with that post....

 

[2aguy]

Guns make a nobody feel like a somebody.

They make good people feel safe from bad people and other leftists

 

[Blues Man]

Guns make a nobody feel like a somebody.

As far as I'm concerned you are a nobody.

 

[August West]

And they rounded up the remaining guns...and murdered 15 million unarmed people......

You are not selling gun contol with that post....

I`m not trying to sell gun control. I just don`t like BS history.